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Judge's ruling to allow SJSU trans women's volleyball player to compete in tournament receives backlash
jerryskids replied to seafoam1's topic in The Geek Club
The bolded is faulty logic, particularly in a team sport. Heck, Aaron Judge could play on a bad HS baseball team and they would still lose most of the time (in this case, they would intentionally walk him). More bad logic. This is like saying if an NFL safety launches his helmet into a defenseless receiver's head, but the receiver stays in the game, he shouldn't be penalized. "No harm, no foul" is a bad way to judge, which is why it isn't done. There is also a slippery slope here. If it's OK for this guy to play, when Karch Kiraly Jr. comes along, identifies as a girl, and starts caving in opponents' faces, the trans sports supporters will argue it's no different, she's just a little better is all. This leaves us to legislate on a case by case basis based on some subjective, undefinable definition of when it becomes dangerous or non-competitive, which is unmanageable. And, if somehow we were to try that, we would be saying to the male athlete that they suck so bad that they can play. Not exactly a confidence builder, as I hear is a reason to let trans women compete. -
Judge's ruling to allow SJSU trans women's volleyball player to compete in tournament receives backlash
TimHauck replied to seafoam1's topic in The Geek Club
One paragraph can include multiple thoughts. Only an idiot who read that would form the conclusion that the end of that paragraph is referring specifically to trannies. In fact the citation clearly shows a distinction from the beginning of the paragraph to the end. I’ll repeat part of the next post I made in that thread: Yes, the paper (not a study as the article claims) is clearly against trans women participating in women’s sports, but it’s obvious that the numbers cited are referring to where women’s divisions were removed in favor of mixed gender. Both to anyone that understands the English language, as well anyone that understands simple math. It says over 890 medals were lost in over 400 competitions, which if this were only referring to medals lost to trannies, would mean that there was an average of more than 2 trannies medaling in each of the competitions. -
Judge's ruling to allow SJSU trans women's volleyball player to compete in tournament receives backlash
RaiderHaters Revenge replied to seafoam1's topic in The Geek Club
Female Athletes Lost almost 900 Medals to Trans-Identifying Men Worldwide, U.N. Report Finds UN report reveals medals females lost to transgender rivals | Toronto Sun sorry not olympics only but its not happening enough for you to care -
Judge's ruling to allow SJSU trans women's volleyball player to compete in tournament receives backlash
TimHauck replied to seafoam1's topic in The Geek Club
@Strike, stupid comments like this are why I push back on certain aspects of these discussions while agreeing with the overall point that trans women shouldn’t play women’s sports. A few trannies don’t mean the end of women’s sports. The fact that the athlete in this story couldn’t even qualify her team for the NCAA tournament shows that’s not going to happen. Lia Thomas is pretty much the only significantly accomplished trans woman in the history of NCAA D1, that was two years ago and pretty sure she wouldn’t be eligible under the current rules. -
Judge's ruling to allow SJSU trans women's volleyball player to compete in tournament receives backlash
easilyscan replied to seafoam1's topic in The Geek Club
Wouldn't it be great if no one except for the trans/testicle showed up for the next match. -
Judge's ruling to allow SJSU trans women's volleyball player to compete in tournament receives backlash
jerryskids replied to seafoam1's topic in The Geek Club
I appreciate that you don't support biological men in women's sports; that is the no-brainer of this situation. I've also said that I see both sides of the bathroom discussion, although IMO other women's spaces like locker rooms, spas, prisons, are a hard no. That being said, trans is a mental disease. At its core, it's no different than thinking you are an animal, or a reincarnation of Julius Caesar (I actually knew a VP of engineering who believed this). If you believe you are something you aren't, that's a mental disease. It doesn't mean you are a bad person (for example, pedophilia is a mental disease, where you believe you should have sex with children), but it's not normal. And before you say "it's normal to them!" so is the animal, Julius Caesar, pedophilia, etc. -
Judge's ruling to allow SJSU trans women's volleyball player to compete in tournament receives backlash
The Real timschochet replied to seafoam1's topic in The Geek Club
Not sure why you would choose to bring me up regarding this topic. I’ve been very clear: transgender women should not be allowed to compete in girls sports. Period. On other issues regarding trans I tend to be woke and accepting- I don’t think it’s a mental disease, I’m for allowing them to use the bathrooms of their choice, I don’t think the state should be involved in gender affirming treatment etc. etc. and I reject totally the conservative anti-trans hysteria. But on this one issue I find myself on the conservative side. -
Australia Government withdraws Orwellian Bill, Which would have silenced those against abortion and trans ideology. Great news, freedom of speech lives on At least for one more day. Revelation 22:12-13 And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work shall be I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, and the first and the last Indeed Amen Thanks Acts 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry , which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to Testify the Gospel of the Grace of God Indeed If you are a Saved Christian, that verse means a lot, and it’s what you should be doing Amen Thanks
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How does your Dad? Some people have a gender identity that doesn’t match the sex they were given at birth — for example, they were born with a vulva, vagina, and uterus, but they identify as male. These people are transgender (or trans). Transgender is the “T” in LGBTQ.
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So Babbit Was Murdered After All...
Maximum Overkill replied to EternalShinyAndChrome's topic in The Geek Club
Some people have a gender identity that doesn’t match the sex they were given at birth — for example, they were born with a vulva, vagina, and uterus, but they identify as male. These people are transgender (or trans). Transgender is the “T” in LGBTQ. It's ok, you don't have to hide anymore. -
Some people have a gender identity that doesn’t match the sex they were given at birth — for example, they were born with a vulva, vagina, and uterus, but they identify as male. These people are transgender (or trans). Transgender is the “T” in LGBTQ.
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I'm not sure I agree with your assessment: "And it's not just trannies; once you open the door to trannies in women's spaces, you open the door for every pervert out there. Trannies of all variations can use the men's room and leave the women alone. Problem solved." Grammatically, I don't believe "every pervert" necessarily applies to trans folks. It's more what I said -- every abuser regardless of orientation, some of whom may be trans, most (most likely) aren't really trans but using this opportunity to do bad things, because there are a lot more of those types. Had he said "every other pervert", I would agree he's lumping all trans into "pervert." That all being said, I understand the spirit of your post. As I said earlier, people on "my side" tend to say a boy is a boy and a girl is a girl, or that trans doesn't exist, and IMO whether or not they are true, they immediately shut down meaningful dialog.
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Why, he has a valid point. A major concern of opening women's spaces (including restrooms) up to trans folks is that it opens them up to abusers of all orientation.
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Nope. Not happening.... A judge ruled Monday that San Jose State transgender women’s volleyball player Blaire Fleming will be allowed to play for the Spartans in the Mountain West Conference tournament as well as the remainder of the season. Federal Judge Kato Crews in Colorado, appointed by President Biden in January, denied a motion for injunctive relief in a lawsuit by college volleyball players against the conference, per OutKick. The news led to some backlash on social media, including women’s sports activist Riley Gaines. -
I don't think it's that hard, or needs a separate locker room facility. I've said here many times: my youngest daughter has Type 1 diabetes. She is free to pursue happiness... except where she isn't, in the interest of societal good. She can't join the military for instance. Trans adults should be free to lead their lives as trans, but not to enter women's safe spaces. I'll again exclude bathrooms, because I do agree that that is a complex issue. Agreed?
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First, good for you on the self defense stuff. If a stranger picks up a kid and carries them out, and the kid just wiggles and cries, bystanders will presume it is a disciplinary situation. Gouging eyes and kicking balls though, that's not normal and gets attention. I would add to teach them to scream "you're not my father/mother!" as well. We used to work on this with kids in our martial arts classes (it helped that we had helmets with face masks, and cups). Anyway, I would propose that we are both concerned with different slippery slopes. Yours is that people use the bathroom issue as an anti-trans issue. That's fair. Mine is that letting them in bathrooms, if not in and of itself dangerous, is a step in the Saul Alinsky playbook of letting them into locker rooms, prisons, and women's sports. Sometimes the thing is just the thing, though. On the locker rooms and prisons, to me that is an easy hard stop. Similar for women's sports, definitely contact sports, but any where a biological male would have a competitive advantage. You legislate to the norm -- if there is some obscure case like the boxer who was identified as female at birth, you address that as a one-off. The bathrooms to me are a little harder; I'd default to "no" because of young girls in particular, but like I said, I don't know that any guy can truly empathize with the concerns women have in the presence of large men. I'd just as well let women duke that one out and decide. In the end, IMO it's unfortunate that opposition to biological men in women's locker rooms, say, is argued by both sides as whether or not the person is truly a woman. I think that distracts from the real concerns. I would prefer that my "side" take more of an approach of "we understand that you identify as a woman, but for the good of society, we can't let you into these spaces. Here is why." There are clear reasons, many of which I've mentioned already.
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I've been meaning to respond to this, as you repeatedly ask the above, but I hadn't gotten around to it. When I tried searching for statistics of violent crimes BY transgenders, all of the results were for violent crimes AGAINST transgenders. Odd. I tried both Google and DuckDuckGo. You would think that such algorithms would be sophisticated enough to understand my search. Regardless, I'm left to conclude that either such data doesn't exist, or they don't want me to see it. More importantly though, there is a danger in relying on past results to predict future results, particularly when the systems generating those results have undergone significant change. I point this out frequently to @The Real timschochet whenever he quotes statistics about the economic benefits of immigration. In the case of trans women, until recently we have had much fewer trans people, and those generally had to go through years of therapy, much of the latter end I presume in learning how to coexist in society. But now we have a social contagion (please don't argue we don't, you are too smart for that) and a large industry built around "gender affirmation." Think about that -- "affirmation" implies that we accept your belief as the default. Much has been documented about the comorbidities that trans folks have with other mental health issues; if you want me to search for some links I can. Somebody posted that link about the trans woman wanting to bang Mace's face into the cement until she dies. You can say that's a one-off, but such folks are out there. Also, this recent surge in trans acceptance (if not celebration) has begun to enable a class of sh1tty men who are predators but not trans to get into women's safe spaces. All of this is to say that you cannot look at statistics from the past in this instance. I'll end with a discussion I had with my wife yesterday on this topic. She is a taekwondo black belt so better trained than most to defend herself, but not large, 5' 1". I told her about this thread and she pointed out that women wear some weird stuff in the interest of fashion, and if you have a romper on, you are basically sitting in the stall nekkid. She didn't like the idea of a large man in the room, or the stall next door, while feeling so vulnerable. I like to think of myself as empathetic, but I don't think any guy can truly empathize with women on this topic.
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Wait, I thought there weren't any kids getting sex changes
MDC replied to Frozenbeernuts's topic in The Geek Club
Max O? He’s like Peefoam’s trans-obsessed kid brother. -
Wait, I thought there weren't any kids getting sex changes
MDC replied to Frozenbeernuts's topic in The Geek Club
I don't defend trans activists or GAF what they think. -
Wait, I thought there weren't any kids getting sex changes
jonmx replied to Frozenbeernuts's topic in The Geek Club
Too bad the people you claim not to support but endless defend consider you an anti-trans facist bigot. -
Wait, I thought there weren't any kids getting sex changes
jonmx replied to Frozenbeernuts's topic in The Geek Club
Psychological evaluation is not even a thing anymore. The official medical standard only requires self-identification. Typically a kid will go into a clinic, some trans-activist will counsel the child and they will fill out a questionnaire. The questionnaire gets faxed to a doctor who rubber stamps it and drugs are prescribed and treatments leading up to and including surgery are begun. -
Discussion of Concerns for Trump Presidency
jerryskids replied to jerryskids's topic in The Geek Club
Twerking is a trans thing? -
I mean someone talking out of turn in class is far less serious an issue. I wouldn't call their parents after the first time but obviously a sexual assault is different. My point is this- all stats show most abuse of kids is by someone who is not a stranger to them. Most sexual assaults (something like 70% according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics) occur in a residence. The best I can find is that 10% of sexual assaults occur in a closed, public location. Bathrooms would be a part of this I'd assume. The simple fact is you are considerably less likely to be sexually attacked in a bathroom than anywhere else and I'd venture the level of trans assaults in a bathroom is relatively small. Any number more than 0 is bad- but like...we accept guns right...or any other number of bad things where the number is more than zero.
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The short answer is that it’s not collected and no one is stupid enough to do it openly. When crime data is collected, it’s done via database obviously. Each crime that you claim has easily obtainable statistics, is derived from a specific statute at the state level, and collectively as “Homicide, “Larceny”, etc at the federal level. That’s why they are easily found. There is no “xxx crime by trans” statute that I’m aware of and there’s no “trans” checkbox. As far as perps go, unlike race and age, gender ID is not collected by UCR. Gender is, but it will be concluded by what’s on your ID. Even, if a female is recorded as a male, there’s no further differentiation that it’s a trans person. A police department would have to decide to track it on their own, and obviously that’s a political nightmare. Whether done secretly or openly, tracking gender ID would be met with significant outcry.
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They made it worse by ignoring the whole situation . I kind of think people wore just as mad or even more when they went totally silent when all the “ frat boy” stuff hit. Now you had the trans issue plus insulting their customers
