Vikings4ever 550 Posted March 22, 2006 (edited) Broncos | Team acquires No. 15 overall pick in Abraham trade Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:58:39 -0800 Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, reports the New York Jets have traded DE John Abraham to the Atlanta Falcons as part of a three-way trade between the Jets, Falcons and the Denver Broncos. If the trade is approved, then the Falcons will have traded their first-round pick, No. 15 overall, to Denver, who in turn will trade their first-round pick, No. 29 overall, and two additional picks to Atlanta. Atlanta then sends the 29th pick to the Jets for Abraham. The Jets would receive a draft pick two slots higher in the first round than the Seattle Seahawks were able to offer. Fox Sports ESPN Falcons | Contract update: J. Abraham Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:23:18 -0800 Andrea Adelson, of the Associated Press, reports the contract agreed to with the Atlanta Falcons by DE John Abraham is a six-year, $45 million deal, with about $18 million guaranteed. He will get $15.5 million in reporting and signing bonuses this year. "He's elated," said Abraham's agent, Rich Rosa. "He's very happy; he's got the long-term deal he's always wanted." KFFL.com Edited March 22, 2006 by Vikings4ever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted March 22, 2006 So the Donkeys retain #22 to go with the newly acquired #15. That'll alter the mock drafts a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thin Spirit 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Broncos definetly will land Maroney or Williams now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROCKET 0 Posted March 22, 2006 I like the deal for both Denver and Atlanta. I don't think the Jets are a better team with the #29 instead of Abraham regardless of his past injuries and big contract demands. They will be hard pressed to get an impact player like Abraham at #29 so as a Pats fan I like the deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thin Spirit 0 Posted March 22, 2006 I like the deal for both Denver and Atlanta. I don't think the Jets are a better team with the #29 instead of Abraham regardless of his past injuries and big contract demands. They will be hard pressed to get an impact player like Abraham at #29 so as a Pats fan I like the deal. And as it stands right now the Pats are going to need alot of help to win the East this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JetsFan28 0 Posted March 22, 2006 I can't say that I'm happy with this deal in the least bit. A stud like John Abraham should bring back more than a #29 overall pick. The Jets just don't play their cards right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoloMatisse 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Im glad to see this deal finally get done. The Jets have been trying to unload Abraham like a bad cold, and now theyre finally rid of him. They got what they could...theyre no real threat to anyone, least of all the Pats, so I dont see this trade impacting that division much. I should help Atlanta alot IF Abraham stays healthy, which is questionable, but Denver is the real winner here. They sneak up to 15 and kept their other pick. I cant wait to see what they do in the draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
texasmouth 1 Posted March 22, 2006 ESPN is reporting that Denver sent both of its first round picks to Atlanta for the 15th pick. I am not sure I understand this. Why would Denver do this to only move to 15th? Seems like they could have gotten a better deal than that..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrahmaBulls 763 Posted March 22, 2006 Broncos definetly will land Maroney or Williams now. Denver consistently finds great RB in the middle rounds. This year will be no different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted March 22, 2006 I like the deal for both Denver and Atlanta. I don't think the Jets are a better team with the #29 instead of Abraham regardless of his past injuries and big contract demands. They will be hard pressed to get an impact player like Abraham at #29 so as a Pats fan I like the deal. The Jets are looking to the future IMO. Not to mention the fact that Abraham didn't want to be a Jet anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miller_Time_21 0 Posted March 22, 2006 What were the other 2 picks Denver had to give up to make this jump? To move from 29 to 15 is huge, wondering how much it cost. This is bad news for Bell owners IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JetsFan28 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Here's the ESPN link. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2378875 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted March 22, 2006 I can't say that I'm happy with this deal in the least bit. A stud like John Abraham should bring back more than a #29 overall pick. The Jets just don't play their cards right. I disagree. It's not easy to land a high first-round pick for a player. The Hawks and Colts couldn't get a 2nd-round pick for Alexander/James. Culpepper went for a 2nd. Abraham is a stud, yes, but he's about 6 years older than a 1st-round pick would be, so you have to consider that when comparing his value to the guy you expect to get with the pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted March 22, 2006 ESPN is reporting that Denver sent both of its first round picks to Atlanta for the 15th pick. nope Falcons send pick to Denver to get Abraham from JetsBy Len Pasquarelli ESPN.com ATLANTA -- Sometimes it takes a third party to resolve a stalemate, and that was the case on Tuesday evening as the Atlanta Falcons consummated a much-rumored trade for New York Jets defensive end and designated franchise player John Abraham. To complete the trade, the Falcons enlisted the aid of the Denver Broncos, who, ironically, had once been interested in Abraham themselves. Atlanta sent its first-round choice, the 15th pick overall in this year's draft, to Denver for the Broncos' first-round choice, No. 29 overall. The Falcons also picked up a pair of middle-round selections, one each in the 2006 and 2007 drafts. The Falcons then shipped the 29th pick acquired from Denver to the Jets in exchange for Abraham, a three-time Pro Bowl pass rusher who was also being sought by the Seattle Seahawks. linkage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted March 22, 2006 What were the other 2 picks Denver had to give up to make this jump? To move from 29 to 15 is huge, wondering how much it cost. I'm wondering that as well. Interesting that they were able to do this and still have 2 first rounders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fightklub 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Broncos | Team acquires No. 15 overall pick in Abraham tradeTue, 21 Mar 2006 15:58:39 -0800 Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, reports the New York Jets have traded DE John Abraham to the Atlanta Falcons as part of a three-way trade between the Jets, Falcons and the Denver Broncos. If the trade is approved, then the Falcons will have traded their first-round pick, No. 15 overall, to Denver, who in turn will trade their first-round pick, No. 29 overall, and two additional picks to Atlanta. Atlanta then sends the 29th pick to the Jets for Abraham. The Jets would receive a draft pick two slots higher in the first round than the Seattle Seahawks were able to offer. Uh.... A link would be nice.... I'll do the dirty work: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5433076 Devner is giving up 1st, 3rd and 4th round picks to get Atlanta's 15th overall. One of those middle rd picks will be in 2007. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JetsFan28 0 Posted March 22, 2006 I disagree. It's not easy to land a high first-round pick for a player. The Hawks and Colts couldn't get a 2nd-round pick for Alexander/James. Culpepper went for a 2nd. Abraham is a stud, yes, but he's about 6 years older than a 1st-round pick would be, so you have to consider that when comparing his value to the guy you expect to get with the pick. Yeah, you're right. But at the same time, it's much harder to find a great pass rusher like Abraham then it is to find very good running backs like Alexander or Edge. I do know where you're coming from though. And of course, I'm just bitter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grif 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Most think Denver will target a RB but is it possible that they want to move up to get Vernon Davis? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 550 Posted March 22, 2006 I'm wondering that as well. Interesting that they were able to do this and still have 2 first rounders. http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Uh.... A link would be nice.... I'll do the dirty work: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5433076 Devner is giving up 1st, 3rd and 4th round picks in this years draft to get Atlanta's 15th overall. The link actually says that the 1st and 3rd are in '06 and that the 4th is in '07. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 550 Posted March 22, 2006 I have to say, Denver made out like bandits. They give up a late 3rd and a 4th next year to move up 14 spots in the first round? BRILLIANT!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted March 22, 2006 http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl Also mentioned there: Broncos | Targeting QB with No. 15 overall pickTue, 21 Mar 2006 16:35:07 -0800 ESPNews reports the Denver Broncos are expected to target a quarterback after acquiring the No. 15 overall pick from the Atlanta Falcons in a three-team deal. I guess they think that the Jets won't be grabbing a QB at #4. Otherwise, they'd probably have to move up to #6 using their #15 and #22. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted March 22, 2006 I have to say, Denver made out like bandits. They give up a late 3rd and a 4th next year to move up 14 spots in the first round? BRILLIANT!!! :yes:, but from the ATL's perspective it was better to get something for moving down to a #26-#30 pick than to just give the Jets their #15. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 550 Posted March 22, 2006 :yes:, but from the ATL's perspective it was better to get something for moving down to a #26-#30 pick than to just give the Jets their #15. They got Abraham, a 3rd, and a 4th for the 15. No first round pick. Not a real big improvement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted March 22, 2006 They got Abraham, a 3rd, and a 4th for the 15. No first round pick. Not a real big improvement. Still, it's better than just Abraham for the 15. It seems that they needed to beat what Seattle was offering (#31) and they accomplished that. They wanted Abraham badly enough to want to make this happen. Don't know yet if its a good move, but assuming that they were going to get Abraham anyway they were better off getting the deal with Denver done first. Denver did very well. It's surprising that Indy (#30) or Jax'ville (#28) didn't want to beat the deal that Denver got from Atlanta. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROCKET 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Yeah, you're right. But at the same time, it's much harder to find a great pass rusher like Abraham then it is to find very good running backs like Alexander or Edge. I do know where you're coming from though. And of course, I'm just bitter. I think you and TJ are both right. The Jets were snakebit with Abraham and just salvaged what they could get which was still a first rounder so all wasn't lost. They also will get some cap space back without having his big salary. He pretty much burned his bridge in NY so there wasn't much they could do. He's still a risk for Atlanta with his injury history but if healthy the guys a force coming off the edge. I for one will be glad not to see him vs. the Pats twice a year. All in all it probably was a win/win/win situation provided Abraham stays healthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B.M.F. 0 Posted March 22, 2006 as a falcons fan, this is great news. i was hoping we traded out of the 15th spot anyways. to get abe and add a 3rd rounder is good as well. we now have one of the most dominant def. lines in the league now. kerney, abe, and coleman will be a force. to put our new line in perspective look at this: Dwight Freeney = 51/63 = 0.81 sacks per game (13 per season) Simeon Rice = 119/158 = 0.75 sacks per game (12 per season) John Abraham - 53.5/73 = 0.73 sacks per game (9 per season) Michael Strahan = 129.5/191 = 0.68 sacks per game (10 per season) Kabeer Gbaja-Biamilla = 58.5/86 = 0.68 sacks per game (9 per season) Julis Peppers = 40.5/60 = 0.67 sacks per game (10 per season) Jason Taylor = 92.5/140 = 0.66 sacks per game (10 per season) Terrell Suggs = 30.5/48 = 0.64 sacks per game (10 per season) Rod Coleman = 50.5/89 = 0.57 sacks per game (7 per season) Patrick Kerney = 53.5/112 = 0.5 sacks per game (7 per season) we now have 3 of the top 10 most prolific pass rushers in the nfl on the defensive line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigmarc27 24 Posted March 22, 2006 I'm happy with this; we got Abraham and still get an extra 3rd in the deal which will probably allow us to take a RB in round 2 with Dunn aging. This trade and the signing of Malloy should make the defense very good this upcoming year. If we can an add a CB and some OL help in the draft, I'll call the offseason a great success. -- For the Donkeys, what possible QB could they draft at 15 that wouldn't be there later at 29?? The top 3 will be gone, and the next 2 (Croyle and Whitehurst) won't go in round 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Denver is so close to winning it all, I wouldn't be surprised to see them package their 2 first round picks to move up even higher- make a move for Vernon Davis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Davis won't last that long...they've coveted an elite TE since Sharpe departed. But 15 won't do it. Nincers would be a great partner in a deal...6th overall would do it, and SF could diversify with two 1st rounders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted March 22, 2006 Maybe i was just too lazy to look into this trade but im confused.... why didnt the jets just trade Abraham to the Falcs for the 15th?.... someone help me understand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigmarc27 24 Posted March 22, 2006 Maybe i was just too lazy to look into this trade but im confused....why didnt the jets just trade Abraham to the Falcs for the 15th?.... someone help me understand Falcons didn't want to. This way they get 2 extra draft picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted March 22, 2006 New contract details from KFFL: Falcons | Contract update: J. AbrahamTue, 21 Mar 2006 17:23:18 -0800 Andrea Adelson, of the Associated Press, reports the contract agreed to with the Atlanta Falcons by DE John Abraham is a six-year, $45 million deal, with about $18 million guaranteed. He will get $15.5 million in reporting and signing bonuses this year. "He's elated," said Abraham's agent, Rich Rosa. "He's very happy; he's got the long-term deal he's always wanted." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pinfish_mauler 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Maybe i was just too lazy to look into this trade but im confused....why didnt the jets just trade Abraham to the Falcs for the 15th?.... someone help me understand The Jets couldn't "just trade Abraham to the Falcons for the 15th" because the Falcons refused to give up the 15th pick straight up for Abraham. This deal gives the Falcons Abraham and two middle round picks for the 15th pick. The Jets get the 29th pick. The broncos lose two middle round picks, but move up to 15th in the first round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted March 22, 2006 The Jets couldn't "just trade Abraham to the Falcons for the 15th" because the Falcons refused to give up the 15th pick straight up for Abraham. This deal gives the Falcons Abraham and two middle round picks for the 15th pick. The Jets get the 29th pick. The broncos lose two middle round picks, but move up to 15th in the first round. I think the jets got robbed and the Falcs got a great deal.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pinfish_mauler 0 Posted March 22, 2006 I think the jets got robbed and the Falcs got a great deal.... With McKay's history on draft day (he always seems to find value in the middle rounds), I'd agree with you. Those middle round picks can be very valuable in the hands of someone who knows how to scout talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Big Head 6 Posted March 22, 2006 I think the jets got robbed and the Falcs got a great deal.... What do you think the Jets should have done? As a Jet fan I'm happy they at least got a 1st rder for the guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stars 0 Posted March 22, 2006 What do you think the Jets should have done? As a Jet fan I'm happy they at least got a 1st rder for the guy. I would have taken Atlanta's 15 and given then Abraham, 06R4 and 07R3 (or even 06R4 and 07R4, if Atlanta had accepted that - considering there's very little difference between the Jets' 06R4 and Denver's 06R3). In effect, NYJ are giving Atlanta an R3 and R4 to move up from 29 to 15 - i.e. what Denver have done. It seems to me that the big winners in this trade are Denver, and they didn't have to be involved in any shape or form. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miller_Time_21 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Denver makes out like Bandits in this deal! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
U Dub 0 Posted March 22, 2006 i definitely like this trade, being a denver fan. but who do they target at 15? i'd love for them to get maroney..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
