NFL Draft Weekend Train Wreck: Buffalo Bills

[Grigs Allmoon 0]

it was clear in every player they took that they wanted high effort high character guys

 

Well, that was the main blue-print for their success in the 90's, so hopefully it'll work again. Only time will tell.

 

If one of these OL can actually contribute I'll be much happier with the draft. I still wish they would have take Justice in the 2nd, though.

[lechuza 0]

I still wish they would have take Justice in the 2nd, though.

 

i don't think having multiple arrests is the kind of character marv was talking about

[Grigs Allmoon 0]

i don't think having multiple arrests is the kind of character marv was talking about

 

Well, yeah, I understand exactly why they didn't, but that aside, I think he's going to be a steal for Philly.

[lechuza 0]

Well, yeah, I understand exactly why they didn't, but that aside, I think he's going to be a steal for Philly.

 

oh yah i agree, philly really had the draft i was hoping the bills would have

[Grigs Allmoon 0]

oh yah i agree, philly really had the draft i was hoping the bills would have

 

Yeah, I agree.

 

But, if one of these OL can cut it that will make their draft look a lot better.

[zen 0]

the bills had a very good solid draft

 

it was clear in every player they took that they wanted high effort high character guys

 

they got 4 "athletes" with their first 4 picks, all are coachale and every one will contribute

 

I'm beginning to agree with you Mulletia.

 

Though unorthodox and not the most savy in terms of value, they stuck to drafting their needs and did address the o-line with the signings of C Fowler and OG Reyes, then those two late round OTs and OG.

 

The more I look at it, the more this draft is Diick Jauron's, not Marv Levy's. He was drafting the nucleus of his new Cover 2 defense - if they didn't have Spikes/Fletcher/Posey and the quality depth of Crowell, I bet you would've seen a high OLB pick in the first round instead of a SS or DT. But, as long as he heals well (*God Willing/Allah be Praised/Blessed be Vishnu/Positive Karma to his tendons*), Spikes will be the roving Derrick Brooks/Brian Urlacher of this D.

 

I think it was a good draft, better than many teams. B+

 

:also I'm Officially a Bills Fan Again:

[zen 0]

Regarding the reach for McCargo (from buffalobills.com) --

 

Wide spaces between player grades at a position also had an impact on their draft. It was what led the Bills to trade back up into the first round to select N.C. State's John McCargo. Buffalo had to sacrifice a third round pick to move up 15 slots to ensure they landed the defensive tackle. Some observers thought McCargo could be had with pick 42, including Marv Levy, but he was eventually convinced by the other men at the head table that it was a move that had to be made.

 

"On the board at some positions after certain players there were some big drop-offs," said Levy. "There was a big drop-off at the defensive tackle position in terms of grades put on our guys after where McCargo was on the board. For a long while I honestly thought he would still be there when we picked 15 picks later (#42). But after we rehashed it and looked at that gap we decided not to take the risk and drop that far in our grading system. So we traded up and sacrificed a third round choice."

[Grigs Allmoon 0]

Regarding the reach for McCargo (from buffalobills.com) --

 

That's interesting.

 

It may be just an excuse, but it's a lot better than saying "We thought he was a good value at that position."

[mulletia 0]

I'm beginning to agree with you Mulletia.

 

Though unorthodox and not the most savy in terms of value, they stuck to drafting their needs and did address the o-line with the signings of C Fowler and OG Reyes, then those two late round OTs and OG.

 

The more I look at it, the more this draft is Diick Jauron's, not Marv Levy's. He was drafting the nucleus of his new Cover 2 defense - if they didn't have Spikes/Fletcher/Posey and the quality depth of Crowell, I bet you would've seen a high OLB pick in the first round instead of a SS or DT. But, as long as he heals well (*God Willing/Allah be Praised/Blessed be Vishnu/Positive Karma to his tendons*), Spikes will be the roving Derrick Brooks/Brian Urlacher of this D.

 

I think it was a good draft, better than many teams. B+

 

:also I'm Officially a Bills Fan Again:

 

 

if simpson isn't a retard, he will take vincent's job next year. and to have two outstanding athletes in your secondary is a real plus int eh cover 2, but also theya re just good solid players

 

whitner will be really good, I say this as a buckeye fan, I think he'll be better than huff. he didn't get teh same press because when teams ran teh football they rarely ever made it past the linebackers.

 

mccargo, whether a reach or not filled a gaping hole at dt, and as kiper says if they switched the youboty and mccargo picks no one would complain.

 

youboty is a great nickel corner, and with a eyar of seasoning he might be able to step in and replace clements, when he gets all goofy over his contract

 

the 5th-7th round selections, well ummmm who knows, if one works out this will be a great draft

[lechuza 0]

i dont want two rookie safeties starting. i still want vincent on the team this year

[mulletia 0]

i dont want two rookie safeties starting. i still want vincent on the team this year

I dont think anyone wants two rookie stating int eh secondary this year

[D_House 0]

I dont think anyone wants two rookie stating int eh secondary this year

Looks like they did alright.

 

Marv Levy: VALIDATORED!

[miket7 0]

 

O.K. I admit it.

None of us know what we are talking about.

 

Most football fans were calling the Bills draft terrible. So far (counting training camp, the pre-season and the last 2 weeks) almost every pick has been impressive.

 

I guess that is why I don't work in an NFL front office.

[mulletia 0]

yeah, its nice that this thread is back up

 

early returns on the bills draft is an A+

[buffalobillsffl2003 0]

[D_House 0]

[swamp dog 0]

last i heard mccargo was struggling and not playing much and that some 5th-round guy was beating him out (and that report was just last week--sportingnews, i think).

 

even if whitner is starting and doing well the fact remains the bills could have gotten him much, much lower--which makes it still a horrible pick.

 

it's the equivalent of spending $100,000 on a new ford explorer. nothing wrong with the vehicle at the end of the day--but you way overpaid.

[lechuza 0]

last i heard mccargo was struggling and not playing much and that some 5th-round guy was beating him out (and that report was just last week--sportingnews, i think).

 

even if whitner is starting and doing well the fact remains the bills could have gotten him much, much lower--which makes it still a horrible pick.

 

it's the equivalent of spending $100,000 on a new ford explorer. nothing wrong with the vehicle at the end of the day--but you way overpaid.

 

youre an idiot. The bills knew Whitner was their guy and they took him. They did that througout the whole draft and ended up with a lot of great players.

 

and whos to say he would have fallen? you dont have any idea what the other teams were really thinking

[D_House 0]

last i heard mccargo was struggling and not playing much and that some 5th-round guy was beating him out (and that report was just last week--sportingnews, i think).

 

even if whitner is starting and doing well the fact remains the bills could have gotten him much, much lower--which makes it still a horrible pick.

 

it's the equivalent of spending $100,000 on a new ford explorer. nothing wrong with the vehicle at the end of the day--but you way overpaid.

actually...

 

mccargo and kyle williams (the 5th round steal that you mentioned) play different positions. williams is more of a "nose" tackle, he took the starting job from former 3rd round pick tim anderson. mccargo is more of an "under" tackle. he is behind free agent aquisition larry tripplett on the depth chart. however, all four of these guys have seen snaps in the bills' interior d-line rotation. the goal is to keep the guys fresh. and it's working. the bills have gotten amazing amounts of pressure on the opposing qb in their first two games without blitzing. mind you, this is with the same 3-man DE rotation as last year, so the additions to the interior of the D-line clearly are doing something right.

 

whitner already has an int and double-digit tackles (the INT was returned for a TD, but called back on a ticky-tack block in the back call). ko simpson notched a sack in his first start at FS. Ellison, a 6th round LB, filled in admirably for Takeo Spikes in the Bills' win in Miami this weekend.

 

the nature of the nfl draft seems to be that it is a crapshoot. and part of that is that i think teams get too caught up in getting players for the right "value," rather than getting players that fit the system in place. the bills' draft this year netted several players that have already shown the potential to be starters in their system. whether or not the bills could still have gotten whitner later in the draft is debateable, but it's clear that he was on other teams' radars (baltimore, detroit, and miami)... and it's also clear that he fit a need position for the bills and is a high caliber player. the recent history of draft busts in buffalo necessitated a conservative pick there, and i am quite happy with the decision to make this particular "reach."

[Fumbleweed 547]

Good for the Bills. I like the Bills.

 

We were just having a little fun with the curious picks on Draft Day to be sure, but like someone said, we're not the ones doing the scouting and such. Hope the good fortune for Buffalo continues. The Bills have good fans.

[swamp dog 0]

youre an idiot. The bills knew Whitner was their guy and they took him. They did that througout the whole draft and ended up with a lot of great players.

 

and whos to say he would have fallen? you dont have any idea what the other teams were really thinking

 

you'll save yourself a lot of ulcers if you simply live and let live on this board. i have my opinion, you have yours--fine. we'll agree to disagree.

 

whitner wasn't going in the first 20 picks. guaranteed. drafting is about "value" and he was a horrible value there.

 

end of story. cheers.

[bflodan 0]

you'll save yourself a lot of ulcers if you simply live and let live on this board. i have my opinion, you have yours--fine. we'll agree to disagree.

 

whitner wasn't going in the first 20 picks. guaranteed. drafting is about "value" and he was a horrible value there.

 

end of story. cheers.

 

 

No...I think he was right when he said you were an idiot!!

 

You prove it again when you say that you "guarentee" Whitner wasn't going in the first twenty picks.

 

Drafting is about "value" for draftknick weenies....the Bills and Levy were interested in adding football players and it appears to be working!!

[gobuckeyes 0]

Also, trading down doesn't seem to be so easy in the NFL draft. I'm sure the Texans or Jets would have loved to trade down last year if they could have gotten anything for it. The opportunities to get a good draft spot and gain something for moving down seem pretty limited. The Bills might have had a few deals going, but if they weren't going to get anything good for it, why risk losing their shot at Whitner?

[bflodan 0]

Also, trading down doesn't seem to be so easy in the NFL draft. I'm sure the Texans or Jets would have loved to trade down last year if they could have gotten anything for it. The opportunities to get a good draft spot and gain something for moving down seem pretty limited. The Bills might have had a few deals going, but if they weren't going to get anything good for it, why risk losing their shot at Whitner?

 

 

Agreed!!

 

 

On what block of granite was it chiseled in that no other team was going to draft Whitner if the Bills traded down?

[swamp dog 0]

No...I think he was right when he said you were an idiot!!

 

You prove it again when you say that you "guarentee" Whitner wasn't going in the first twenty picks.

 

Drafting is about "value" for draftknick weenies....the Bills and Levy were interested in adding football players and it appears to be working!!

 

 

http://www.wsoctv.com/nfl/9149469/detail.html

 

"Analysis: The selection of Whitner at No. 8 was a major head-scratcher, since the secondary was not seen as a major need area for the Bills and Whitner was not rated above No. 20 by any major rating service."

 

--draft-day coverage skewered the pick (i watched, did you?) saying no team had whitner in their top-20, and in fact many had him a round 2 pick.

 

--there are many more articles like the above.

 

nowhere did i say whitner wasn't going to be a good nfl player; this isn't about someone being a "bust" or not being a bust. this is simply about value. now: the poster above who explained that he didn't care about value and that what should be looked at is simply getting a good player there, well that's an opinion. no harm done. i gave mine; he gave his. that's how it should be done.

 

but if you're going to resort to name-calling and if you have such a hair trigger at least get some data to back you up. also, i'd advist hunting down a thesaurus to help you learn more words than the rhetorically lazy "idiot."

 

cheers.

 

cheers.

[The Moose 0]

Looks like all the haters can eat it for at least another week. The Bills are 1-1 and are instilling HOPE in their fans, something we haven't had in a while.

[lechuza 0]

http://www.wsoctv.com/nfl/9149469/detail.html

 

"Analysis: The selection of Whitner at No. 8 was a major head-scratcher, since the secondary was not seen as a major need area for the Bills and Whitner was not rated above No. 20 by any major rating service."

 

--draft-day coverage skewered the pick (i watched, did you?) saying no team had whitner in their top-20, and in fact many had him a round 2 pick.

 

--there are many more articles like the above.

 

nowhere did i say whitner wasn't going to be a good nfl player; this isn't about someone being a "bust" or not being a bust. this is simply about value. now: the poster above who explained that he didn't care about value and that what should be looked at is simply getting a good player there, well that's an opinion. no harm done. i gave mine; he gave his. that's how it should be done.

 

but if you're going to resort to name-calling and if you have such a hair trigger at least get some data to back you up. also, i'd advist hunting down a thesaurus to help you learn more words than the rhetorically lazy "idiot."

 

cheers.

 

cheers.

 

I didn't hear one person say whitner might fall to the 2nd round. Most figured there was no way he would make it passed miami at the latest.. which seems like it was true

[Mike MacGregor 20]

In Marv we trust!

 

###### and J.P. on the other hand...

[Quickolas1 80]

ko simpson is my new favorite player

[Mike MacGregor 20]

In Marv we trust!

 

###### and J.P. on the other hand...

 

Pardon my language. I mean Richard and J.P.

[bflodan 0]

http://www.wsoctv.com/nfl/9149469/detail.html

 

"Analysis: The selection of Whitner at No. 8 was a major head-scratcher, since the secondary was not seen as a major need area for the Bills and Whitner was not rated above No. 20 by any major rating service."

 

--draft-day coverage skewered the pick (i watched, did you?) saying no team had whitner in their top-20, and in fact many had him a round 2 pick.

 

--there are many more articles like the above.

 

nowhere did i say whitner wasn't going to be a good nfl player; this isn't about someone being a "bust" or not being a bust. this is simply about value. now: the poster above who explained that he didn't care about value and that what should be looked at is simply getting a good player there, well that's an opinion. no harm done. i gave mine; he gave his. that's how it should be done.

 

but if you're going to resort to name-calling and if you have such a hair trigger at least get some data to back you up. also, i'd advist hunting down a thesaurus to help you learn more words than the rhetorically lazy "idiot."

 

cheers.

 

cheers.

 

 

I can't help if you follow all the drivel from the talking heads about who should go where and when in the draft..... like the other sheep do.

 

The bottom line is each team has develop their own draft philosophy independent of all of the rags that are published. So far I am liking who Levy with the help of his scouting staff has brought in.

 

You can quote all the talking heads you want.

 

As for me I am enjoying watching these Bills rookies play ball.

[Rye & Leaf 0]

######

 

 

 

Bills Rock!! Home opener this week. Can't wait!

[D_House 0]

Bills Rock!! Home opener this week. Can't wait!

 

these past two games have been some of the most exciting bills football i've seen in years!

[bflodan 0]

Nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills!!!!!

[D_House 0]

More Bills rookie news:

In the fourth quarter of the Pats game, the Bills stopped a third-and-7 situation when rookie safety Donte Whitner recognized a blown assignment before the snap and told rookie linebacker Keith Ellison to cover the tight end instead of blitzing, as he was supposed to do. Ellison covered the tight end - not great but well enough to force an incompletion in the end zone - and the Bills forced a field goal.

 

"He bailed us out on that one," Fewell said of Whitner.

from The Buffalo News

[D_House 0]

My friends, we will always remember we were here to witness the worst draft ever in NFL history. Amazing.

[buffalobillsffl2003 0]

[Riddlen 1]

[swamp dog 0]

the bills drafted #8 last year. they're drafting #12 this year. if they traded down last year, picked up another day 1 pick, still got their same guy, maybe they'd be drafting 15 or so this year.

 

not sure why buffalo fans are bumping this thread?

[D_House 0]

the bills drafted #8 last year. they're drafting #12 this year. if they traded down last year, picked up another day 1 pick, still got their same guy, maybe they'd be drafting 15 or so this year.

 

not sure why buffalo fans are bumping this thread?

Because the Bills record improved despite both playing in the best division in the NFL last year and having "the worst draft ever in NFL history"?