Why does our govt help the Mexican govt help illegals?

[davebg 0]

While Minuteman civilian patrols are keeping an eye out for illegal border crossers, the U.S. Border Patrol is keeping an eye out for Minutemen -- and telling the Mexican government where they are.

According to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Web site, the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants -- and if and when violence is used against border crossers.

 

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed.

 

"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said Monday.

 

"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type

Like illegal immigrants crossing the border?

, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."

 

Minuteman members were not so sanguine about the arrangement, however, saying that reporting their location to Mexican officials nullifies their effectiveness along the border and could endanger their lives.

 

"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.

 

"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."

 

Officials with the Mexican consulate in Washington, D.C., could not be reached for comment Monday.

 

Martinez said reporting the location of immigrant apprehensions to consulate representatives is common practice if an illegal immigrant requests counsel or believes they have been mistreated.

 

"Once an illegal alien is apprehended, they can request counsel," he said. "We have to give their counsel the information about their apprehension, and that includes where they are apprehended, whether a Minuteman volunteer spotted them or a citizen."

 

Martinez said Mexico's official perception of the civilian groups is that they are vigilantes, a belief the Border Patrol hoped to allay by entering into the cooperative agreement.

 

One of the documents on the Web site, "Actions of the Mexican Government in Relation to the Activities of Vigilante Groups," states that Mexican consulate representatives stay in close contact with Border Patrol chiefs to ensure the safety of migrants trying to enter the U.S., those being detained and the actions of all "vigilantes" along the border.

 

"The Mexican consul in Presidio also contacted the chief of the Border Patrol in the Marfa Sector to solicit his cooperation in case they detect any activity of `vigilantes,' and was told to immediately contact the consulate if there was," according to the document.

 

"Presidio" refers to Presidio County, Texas, which is in the Big Bend region and a gateway to northern Mexico.

 

The document also describes a meeting with San Diego Border Patrol sector chief Darryl Griffen.

 

"(Griffen) said that the Border Patrol will not permit any violence or any actions contrary to the law by the groups, and he is continuously aware of (the volunteer organizations') operations," according to the document. "Mr. Griffen reiterated to the undersecretary his promise to notify the General Consul right away when the vigilantes detain or participate in the detention of any undocumented Mexicans."

 

The documents specifically named the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and its patrols, which began monitoring Arizona's southern border in April 2005, as well as Friends of the Border Patrol, a Chino-based nonprofit.

 

TJ Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, a union representing more than 10,000 Border Patrol agents, said agents have complained for years about the Mexican consulate's influence over the agency.

 

"It worries me (that the Mexican government) seems to be unduly influencing our enforcement policies. That's not a legitimate role for any foreign nation," Bonner said, though he added, "It doesn't surprise me."

 

Border Patrol agents interviewed by the Daily Bulletin said they have been asked to report to sector headquarters the location of all civilian volunteer groups, but to not file the groups' names in reports if they spot illegal immigrants.

 

"Last year an internal memo notified all agents not to give credit to Minuteman volunteers or others who call in sightings of illegal aliens," said one agent, who spoke on the condition he not be identified. "We were told to list it as a citizen call and leave it at that. Many times, we were told not to go out to Minuteman calls."

 

The document also mentions locations of field operations of Friends of the Border Patrol, which patrolled the San Diego sector from June to November 2005. Mexican officials had access to the exact location of the group founded by Andy Ramirez, which ran its patrols from the Rough Acre Ranch, a private property in McCain Valley.

 

Ramirez said that for safety reasons, he disclosed the location of his ranch patrol only to San Diego Border Patrol and law enforcement officials. The group did not apprehend or spot any undocumented migrants in that area.

 

"We did not release this information ... to the media or anyone else," Ramirez said. "We didn't want to publicize that information. But there it is, right on the Mexican government's Web site, and our government gave it to them."

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3799653

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[Mrsteak21 0]

It is because the powerful want to slowly ruin the country...if it is less secure then people will go for more unessesary security (i.e. the patriot act) which in turn makes them more powerful

[Strike 5,553]

The worst thing about policies such as this is, as Mr. Bonner indicates, that these policies are directly opposite to what violation to what the rank and file of the organiation desire. Just like when the management of the border patrol said last year that the minutemen were disruptive vigilantes and not wanted. Then the actual agents came out and said they had no problem with the minutemen and appreciated the assistance. I'd hate to be a border patrol agent in this day and age. Your own management doesn't support you and the other side is attacking you with large weapons on the border. You're screwed either way.

[torridjoe 48]

Smart move. A bunch of racist pricks with guns on the border need to be watched by the proper authority.

[Strike 5,553]

Smart move. A bunch of racist pricks with guns on the border need to be watched by the proper authority.

 

LOL. So pathetic.

[GobbleDog 996]

Stop American businesses from giving jobs to illegals and the only border crossings left will be drug runners.

[paulinstl 296]

I think it's because there are some damn fine looking women in them Messican soap opries.

[davebg 0]

Smart move. A bunch of racist pricks with guns on the border need to be watched by the proper authority.

First of all, please link to the fact that these people are racists and not just Americans who want the CURRENT LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY ENFORCED.

 

Second, if you read the article (or many others like it) you would know that the actual members of the Border Patrol are as sick of the government/their superiors selling-out US citizens for a bunch of people from another country who have no legal right to be here as the Minutemen are.

[torridjoe 48]

First of all, please link to the fact that these people are racists and not just Americans who want the CURRENT LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY ENFORCED.

 

Second, if you read the article (or many others like it) you would know that the actual members of the Border Patrol are as sick of the government/their superiors selling-out US citizens for a bunch of people from another country who have no legal right to be here as the Minutemen are.

 

Their membership is drawn from a host of white supremacy groups like Virginia Dare, et al. Their leader, Jim Gilchrist, has well known associations with other hate groups. Minutemen rallies have been known to feature Confederate and Nazi flags.

 

Start with the website Orcinus, but there are others.

 

Stop American businesses from giving jobs to illegals and the only border crossings left will be drug runners.

 

Bingo. The Minutement ought to hang around on the border with Tyson Foods, not Mexico.

[Strike 5,553]

Their membership is drawn from a host of white supremacy groups like Virginia Dare, et al. Their leader, Jim Gilchrist, has well known associations with other hate groups. Minutemen rallies have been known to feature Confederate and Nazi flags.

 

Start with the website Orcinus, but there are others.

 

Again, you're full of crap. Where did they start their cross country rally last week? In one of the blackest neighborhoods in LA. You can spew this junk all your want but the minutemen do not draw their members from any predominant group and there is no evidence that they are racist. Just your wild assertions based upon nothing.

[torridjoe 48]

Again, you're full of crap. Where did they start their cross country rally last week? In one of the blackest neighborhoods in LA. You can spew this junk all your want but the minutemen do not draw their members from any predominant group and there is no evidence that they are racist. Just your wild assertions based upon nothing.

 

So because they staged a press opportunity, they aren't rife with racists?

 

There's no evidence they are racist? Yeah, that's a good one. I gave you a source, deal with it.

[davebg 0]

Start with the website Orcinus, but there are others.

Went to the site...it was crap. When you have something specific to link to support your claims you let us know.

[Strike 5,553]

So because they staged a press opportunity, they aren't rife with racists?

 

There's no evidence they are racist? Yeah, that's a good one. I gave you a source, deal with it.

 

Your source is a whackjob blog? Show me some actual proof. Maybe you can link to another 192.168.1.1 ip address like you did last year lol. By the way, at the rally they were flanked by a bunch of african americans. I guess they just painted some whitey's because I'm sure no actual african americans would support such a cause given their racist nature. LOL.

[torridjoe 48]

Went to the site...it was crap. When you have something specific to link to support your claims you let us know.

 

Crap because you didn't like the facts laid out?

 

Which specific allegations of hate group association are you denying or refuting?

 

 

Your source is a whackjob blog? Show me some actual proof. Maybe you can link to another 192.168.1.1 ip address like you did last year lol. By the way, at the rally they were flanked by a bunch of african americans. I guess they just painted some whitey's because I'm sure no actual african americans would support such a cause given their racist nature. LOL.

 

Are you saying black people can't be racist against Hispanics? I'll remember that.

 

That whackjob is an award winning journalist. I guess since you have no way to refute the actual proof he provides, all you can do is call him a whackjob. Which means you've been learning well from the Republican talk machine.

[Rusty Syringes 478]

Crap because you didn't like the facts laid out?

 

Which specific allegations of hate group association are you denying or refuting?

Are you saying black people can't be racist against Hispanics? I'll remember that.

 

That whackjob is an award winning journalist. I guess since you have no way to refute the actual proof he provides, all you can do is call him a whackjob. Which means you've been learning well from the Republican talk machine.

 

Hey, I'm an award-winning journalist, by God!!!!

 

[davebg 0]

Crap because you didn't like the facts laid out?

Actually, I went to the site you gave and didn't see anything specific about this subject...I am not going to search through a site to find facts to support your claims.

[Strike 5,553]

Crap because you didn't like the facts laid out?

 

Which specific allegations of hate group association are you denying or refuting?

 

What facts? Even if we assume everything they said is true it simply means there are some members of the group with racist tendencies. To dismiss the whole group because of select members is ridiculous. If I find proof that there's a racist democrat will you concede that the democratic party is as racist as the KKK? That's just stupid. And, I show actual proof that the minutemen are supported by blacks and you dismiss that. That's how pathetic you are. You show a blog; I show proof. New geek bored, same pathetic Muhammad.

 

And none of this changes that fact that you're supporting our gov't putting our own citizens in harms way to help illegal immigrants cross the border. You're not only socialist, you're a focking traitor to your own country.

 

Crap because you didn't like the facts laid out?

 

Which specific allegations of hate group association are you denying or refuting?

Are you saying black people can't be racist against Hispanics? I'll remember that.

 

That whackjob is an award winning journalist. I guess since you have no way to refute the actual proof he provides, all you can do is call him a whackjob. Which means you've been learning well from the Republican talk machine.

 

That website is not journalism. It's a focking blog. If he writes an article in a credible source with these allegations let me know. There's no focking way he'd put that stuff in a real article. Get a grip.

[Vikings4ever 550]

Smart move. A bunch of racist pricks with guns on the border need to be watched by the proper authority.

The Mexican government is the proper authority to watch what happens on American soil?

[D_House 0]

What facts? Even if we assume everything they said is true it simply means there are some members of the group with racist tendencies. To dismiss the whole group because of select members is ridiculous. If I find proof that there's a racist democrat will you concede that the democratic party is as racist as the KKK? That's just stupid. And, I show actual proof that the minutemen are supported by blacks and you dismiss that. That's how pathetic you are. You show a blog; I show proof. New geek bored, same pathetic Muhammad.

 

And none of this changes that fact that you're supporting our gov't putting our own citizens in harms way to help illegal immigrants cross the border. You're not only socialist, you're a focking traitor to your own country.

That website is not journalism. It's a focking blog. If he writes an article in a credible source with these allegations let me know. There's no focking way he'd put that stuff in a real article. Get a grip.

hey strike, these minutemen guys are wasting their time anyways... all we need is a few strategicallly placed land mines, right?

 

alsocalmthefockdown

[Strike 5,553]

Hey Muhammad,

 

I read up through part 3 (it's pretty much worthless so I'm not wasting more time on the rest) of your award winning journalists expose on the minutemen. Here's what he says with regard to the organization being racist:

 

"A lot of terms have been bandied about, and I'm not sure all of them are accurate. Certainly "vigilantes" is appropriate enough, but not all of the Minutemen are racists, and the racism inherent in their program is well disguised and not all that easy to explain.

 

One term that I think we can accurately use to describe them is extremist. It's a term that conveys both the nature of the Minutemen and the challenge they represent to the mainstream."

 

So even your award winning journalist source refuses to call the group racist. Even if he's 100% correct, and he's not, only some of the members are racist. And as I said above I'm pretty sure I can find evidence to support the assertion that there are racists in the democratic party so big whoop. He makes a lot of comparisons to truly racist organizations in his expose but there's no substance to anything he says. So you will call them racist even when your source won't. nice. Again, we see your true stripes. Further your agenda, even if it includes lieing. You should sign a contract with Jerryskids lol.

 

hey strike, these minutemen guys are wasting their time anyways... all we need is a few strategicallly placed land mines, right?

 

Might take more than a few but the concept is sound.

[Bigtraine 30]

You should sign a contract with Jerryskids lol.

 

I don't care who you are, that is funny.

[Strike 5,553]

Gee, what a surprise. Now our gov't is backtracking on this, after a day of massive bad publicity.

 

http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4885374