Bush to back constitutional amendment banning...

[footballpowers 0]

Seriously, people like you make me sick. It isn't that I disagree with you. I disagree with Fumbleweed all the time, for one example, but at least I can respect that his views are consistent and grounded in some kind of ideology. On the other hand, you're just a cheap partisan flunky and you're too stupid to even be a convincing one.

 

 

I must agree w/ MDC here

 

You are one of the most homophobic, ignorant, hateful, immature and useless posters on this board.

I'll say to you what I said earlier. This chest beating, homophobic gay bashing truely makes me believe people such as yourself are closet homosexuals. Why on gods green earth would a straight man be threatened by homosexuality??? Maybe it's because you aren't so staight???

[D_House 0]

not threatened at all...but whats right is right. btw, are the libs still fighting for the rights of nambla?

dooshbag alert!! dooshbag alert!!

[surferskin 31]

I must agree w/ MDC here

 

You are one of the most homophobic, ignorant, hateful, immature and useless posters on this board.

I'll say to you what I said earlier. This chest beating, homophobic gay bashing truely makes me believe people such as yourself are closet homosexuals. Why on gods green earth would a straight man be threatened by homosexuality??? Maybe it's because you aren't so staight???

 

you should change your name to "homo defender only poster".

[footballpowers 0]

dooshbag alert!! dooshbag alert!!

 

 

But he has a "hot wife" (with an adams apple)

 

you should change your name to "homo defender only poster".

 

 

Are you related to GFIAFP??? You have the maturity of a 2nd grader.

[Voltaire 5,505]

This is entertaining in a mindless sort of way.

 

:popcorn:

[surferskin 31]

Are you related to GFIAFP??? You have the maturity of a 2nd grader.

 

c'mon gthuys, thets be mature here...

[GobbleDog 1,012]

I completely understand Christians and Jews and such not wanting their churches to recognize gay unions. After 2,000 years of proclaiming the gay life as being sinful, that would be extremely hypocritical of them.

 

But the state giving equal rights to gay unions as hetero unions? Who in the world cares about that? I don't see how anyone can reasonably argue against that. That just seems fair.

[footballpowers 0]

c'mon gthuys, thets be mature here...

 

 

ohhhh, good one. I'm guessing you will call me a dummy head next???

 

 

Let's hear a thoughtful articulate well thought out post from you, just once.....

 

In all honesty, why is it you are so anti gay. What is it about two poeple of the same sex being together that really gets to you??? It is honestly very confusing to me.

 

I completely understand Christians and Jews and such not wanting their churches to recognize gay unions. After 2,000 years of proclaiming the gay life as being sinful, that would be extremely hypocritical of them.

 

But the state giving equal rights to gay unions as hetero unions? Who in the world cares about that? I don't see how anyone can reasonably argue against that. That just seems fair.

 

 

And this is what I have been trying to get all the anti gay people to answer. It just doesn't make sense to me why this is a threat to them. I have yet to hear a single response to this....

[surferskin 31]

ohhhh, good one. I'm guessing you will call me a dummy head next???

Let's hear a thoughtful articulate well thought out post from you, just once.....

 

In all honesty, why is it you are so anti gay. What is it about two poeple of the same sex being together that really gets to you??? It is honestly very confusing to me.

 

oh, you wanna have serious discussion now? go back to searching for the words "gay" or "homo" in post/thread titles and then calling everyone in those threads closet phags. that seems to be your shtick.

[footballpowers 0]

oh, you wanna have serious discussion now? go back to searching for the words "gay" or "homo" in post/thread titles and then calling everyone in those threads closet phags. that seems to be you shtick.

 

 

Very nice response. Well thought out, articulate. Impressive.

 

I never called everyone a closet phag that posted in those threads. I said IMO people such as yourself who have no valid reason or response to your stance against gays, could possibly be gay themselves. It has been a theory for many many years that the harshest gay critics are gay themselves and it manifests itself in the form of homophobia. I do believe this is true (not in every case).

I am straight, I am not threatened by gays and I have no idea why anyone would be.....

[surferskin 31]

I never called everyone a closet phag that posted in those threads. I said IMO people such as yourself who have no valid reason or response to your stance against gays, could possibly be gay themselves. It has been a theory for many many years that the harshest gay critics are gay themselves and it manifests itself in the form of homophobia. I do believe this is true (not in every case).

 

what the fock is the difference?

[Jeremy 0]

How am I not being honest at how I feel. I don't want gay marriage. Marriage is for a man and a woman, it's been that way since the beginning of time. If they want to be together, call it something else. Give them all the rights that a married couple has, I could care less about that.

 

I can almost gaurantee you that this amendment will not include anything that will give gays all the rights married couples have. It will be designed to prevent rights, but it will not give anything in return. Most of the state amendments that are out there, specifically forbid the giving of these rights in the form of civil unions also.

 

This is a political ploy to suck up to the religious right in an attempt to get them to the polls in November and maybe boost Bush's approval rating a couple points. You'd have to be the most blindly partisan person on the planet to think it's not. It has no chance of actually passing.

[footballpowers 0]

what the fock is the difference?

 

Big difference. Are you serious....

 

 

Why is it that you still haven't answered the question???? Affraid?

 

 

 

T minus 10 seconds until I get a witty reply such as phag or dummy head w/ no real answer....

[MDC 8,001]

Very nice response. Well thought out, articulate. Impressive.

 

I never called everyone a closet phag that posted in those threads. I said IMO people such as yourself who have no valid reason or response to your stance against gays, could possibly be gay themselves. It has been a theory for many many years that the harshest gay critics are gay themselves and it manifests itself in the form of homophobia. I do believe this is true (not in every case).

I am straight, I am not threatened by gays and I have no idea why anyone would be.....

 

This actually is true. You might want to do a Google search, but I think it was a study conducted at UC-Berkeley years ago with two sets of straight men - those who were indifferent to gay people and h0mophobes. They took these two groups, attached electrodes to their weenuses and then presented them with h0moerotic images on film. The guys who were indifferent or even friendly toward gays had no real response. The guys like surferskin pretty consistently got hard. It's pretty easy to spot the closet faygos here.

[surferskin 31]

Big difference. Are you serious....

Why is it that you still haven't answered the question???? Affraid?

T minus 10 seconds until I get a witty reply such as phag or dummy head w/ no real answer....

 

spare me, you trying to take the "high road". you bust into every thread involving anything "gay" and call everyone that doesn't agree homosexuality is an acceptable lifesytle a closet homo. you want me to make a "well thought out, articulate" post and yet, all you do is whine and cry like a little biitch. this is FF message board, i didn't realize i've have take myself or anyone else seriously around here.

[footballpowers 0]

spare me, you trying to take the "high road". you bust into every thread involving anything "gay" and call everyone that doesn't agree homosexuality is an acceptable lifesytle a closet homo. you want me to make a "well thought out, articulate" post and yet, all you do is whine and cry like a little biitch. this is FF message board, i didn't realize i've have take myself or anyone else seriously around here.

 

 

 

yet he still can't answer the question........

 

 

 

Birds chirping

 

 

[Jeremy 0]

And this is what I have been trying to get all the anti gay people to answer. It just doesn't make sense to me why this is a threat to them. I have yet to hear a single response to this....

 

It's mostly a fear thing, IMO. If there were no gay men in the world, but we still had lesbians, this ammendment wouldn't even be considered. Few people would care if they got married or not. It's the gay men that freak people out.

[Voltaire 5,505]

faygos

 

Um... this is a beverage not a sexual persuasion.... I don't appreciate you making this mental connection for me.

[MDC 8,001]

spare me, you trying to take the "high road". you bust into every thread involving anything "gay" and call everyone that doesn't agree homosexuality is an acceptable lifesytle a closet homo.

 

Actually, this study I'm talking about involved a questionnaire about attitudes toward gays. There were people opposed to the gays for religious or moral grounds, and those people didn't get boners when they were presented with gay porn. But the guys like you who had that sort of visceral disgust for no real reason got hard watching it. Very hard.

[Voltaire 5,505]

MDC has me remembering Roy Cohn right about now.

[parrot 790]

I'm asking him for some examples of the minority ruling. Like he says there has never been a simple majority rule. Examples would be 2+2=4.

I never said anything about "minority ruling". I said it was time for you to brush up on your civics lessons, I didn't say I was going to waste my time teaching you.

 

I will give you a tip though, it takes a two-thirds vote of both houses and consent of 3/4 of the states to amend the constitution, it is not something "the majority" just decides to do one day.

[surferskin 31]

Actually, this study I'm talking about involved a questionnaire about attitudes toward gays. There were people opposed to the gays for religious or moral grounds, and those people didn't get boners when they were presented with gay porn. But the guys like you who had that sort of visceral disgust for no real reason got hard watching it. Very hard.

 

why would you think i have no reason for opposing homosexuality?

 

btw, there seems like there is something very strange about this scientific study, when a buncha "straight" men are surveyed about getting boners while watching gay porn. my question is, why did these "straight" men agree to watch gay porn in the first place?

[MDC 8,001]

why would you think i have no reason for opposing homosexuality?

 

btw, there seems like there is something very strange about this scientific study, when a buncha "straight" men are surveyed about getting boners while watching gay porn. my question is, why did these "straight" men agree to watch gay porn in the first place?

 

They weren't surveyed about gay porn. They were surveyed about their attitudes toward gays and then tested for a physiological response. I've got no idea why they agreed to be in the study. Maybe they were convinced that they were totally straight and figured they could prove it? Maybe they were paid? You could look the study up. The bottom line is that guys like you were more likely to get boners watching man-on-man action.

[surferskin 31]

They weren't surveyed about gay porn. They were surveyed about their attitudes toward gays and then tested for a physiological response. I've got no idea why they agreed to be in the study. Maybe they were convinced that they were totally straight and figured they could prove it? Maybe they were paid? You could look the study up. The bottom line is that guys like you were more likely to get boners watching man-on-man action.

 

you're the one that said i had no reason to oppose sexuality, not me...

[Voltaire 5,505]

you're the one that said i had no reason to oppose sexuality, not me...

 

Look, why don't you just go ahead and state clearly your position and why... maybe we can get MDC to do the same.

[footballpowers 0]

Hey surferskin, it's obvious you are scared to answer my question. Can you at least explain WHY you won't answer it? Is it because you really don't know or don't want to face why gays scare you so much????

[MDC 8,001]

Look, why don't you just go ahead and state clearly your position and why... maybe we can get MDC to do the same.

 

Sure: surforeskin is a closet f@g. HTH!

[Voltaire 5,505]

Sure: surforeskin is a closet f@g. HTH!

 

And your evidence is a university study that shows the most vocal anti-gay people are far more likely to be closeted Roy Cohns... were all the most vocal anti-gay people actually closeted? What percentage were?

[surferskin 31]

Hey surferskin, it's obvious you are scared to answer my question. Can you at least explain WHY you won't answer it? Is it because you really don't know or don't want to face why gays scare you so much????

 

i will answer the question but the reason i wasn't answering was the simple fact, we're not going have real discussion when it starts off with "you're a closet homo".

 

here goes...

 

i oppose it based on moral and religious reasons. i think homosexuality is perversion of nature and is wrong. i'm against any attempts of activists or politicians attempts to make homosexuality socially acceptable.

 

does this mean i'm really gay?

[MDC 8,001]

And your evidence is a university study that shows the most vocal anti-gay people are far more likely to be closeted Roy Cohns... were all the most vocal anti-gay people actually closeted? What percentage were?

 

I'll have to dig that study up sometime. It was pretty funny.

 

While I do think that some percentage of h0mophobes really are closet gays, I honestly don't know surferskin enough to know whether he's one of them. But I do think he's an inarticulate moron. I guess that's my point. It really isn't that I don't disagree with him, so much as it is the stupid and lazy way he presents arguments.

[footballpowers 0]

i will answer the question but the reason i wasn't answering was the simple fact, we're not going have real discussion when it starts off with "you're a closet homo".

 

here goes...

 

i oppose it based on moral and religious reasons. i think homosexuality is perversion of nature and is wrong. i'm against any attempts of activists or politicians attempts to make homosexuality socially acceptable.

 

does this mean i'm really gay?

 

 

Hey, I got an anwer! So you are a religious person huh? Wasn't it Jesus who stopped the crowd from stoning the adulterer? Saying "Let he who is with out sin, cast the first stone". He went on to say it is not our place here on earth to judge, it is only our Father in heavan who can judge us.....

 

 

what say you now???

[GobbleDog 1,012]

i oppose it based on moral and religious reasons. i think homosexuality is perversion of nature and is wrong. i'm against any attempts of activists or politicians attempts to make homosexuality socially acceptable.

 

So should gay people be allowed to own property or vote?

[surferskin 31]

Hey, I got an anwer! So you are a religious person huh? Wasn't it Jesus who stopped the crowd from stoning the adulterer? Saying "Let he who is with out sin, cast the first stone". He went on to say it is not our place here on earth to judge, it is only our Father in heavan who can judge us.....

what say you now???

 

that doesn't mean he condoned her sin or that i or anyone else should. you're supposed to hate the sin and not the sinner. i don't hate gay people, i just hate what they do. don't forget, God also burned sodom and gomorrah to the ground for their perversion.

 

So should gay people be allowed to own property or vote?

 

what kind of stupid question is this?

[drobeski 3,061]

c-

[GobbleDog 1,012]

what kind of stupid question is this?

 

I thought it was a good question. Seems like you want to pick and chose which rights they can have.

[torridjoe 48]

Why is it dumb? Gays can marry anyone that I am able to marry. Seems pretty equal to me.

 

Congratulations. You are now using the VERY SAME logic used by the state of Virginia in order to continue banning interracial marriages. They claimed before SCOTUS that because whites couldn't marry blacks either, the "discrimination" was equal for everyone.

[Voltaire 5,505]

For me, I don't know what makes people gay. Nobody does. There's been a lot of research, but it's unclear if it's biological or environmental.

 

Gay people say they knew they were gay from a young age, which makes sense to me because I knew sexy women gave me a weird sensation in my pants at an early age too. I do know that most people are right handed and I'm left handed but fortunatly there's no social stigmatism in the US with that.

 

It just seems to me that people have an inclination ("orrientation") to be gay. I don't know how they can be recruited to be gay. I couldn't imagine being recruited to being gay. Then again the men of ancient Sparta were all pretty much encultured into a bisexual lifestyle, so maybe you can be recruited.

 

I'm not convinced that gay people can be made straight, but I think that the bi-curious can be kept from exploring that side of their personality. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing or neither.

 

To me, I don't care what people do in their personal lives. I get nautious at the sight of gay male pornography (I had to endure graphic gay sex once when the guy at a public computer next to me was viewing it) but I'm a big fan of lesbian porn. Not interested in seeing Brokeback Mountain because any display of affection between gay men at all makes me uncomfortable. But I don't begrudge people the ability to get on with their lives.

 

I never met a gay person until I was in my early 20s. I use to be really homophobic too, but I think I just realized they're just people like me. And I don't feel I have the right to tell them how to live their lives or who they should be attracted to. It's for them to decide not me. So I now support most aspects of the gay agenda.

[surferskin 31]

I thought it was a good question. Seems like you want to pick and chose which rights they can have.

 

they the have the same rights as everyone else. it's not legal for me marry another man either.

[GobbleDog 1,012]

they the have the same rights as everyone else. it's not legal for me marry another man either.

 

Like Joe pointed out, that's a pretty weak argument.

 

C'mon, let they gay people have the same marriage rights as heteros. It's no sweat off my back, or yours. I know, you don't like polititians making it socially acceptable. Well, it's already socially acceptable. Giving them the same tax treatment and other legal implications won't make much of a difference. And besides, it's the right thing to do. And you know it. You're just being stubborn.

[surferskin 31]

Like Joe pointed out, that's a pretty weak argument.

 

C'mon, let they gay people have the same marriage rights as heteros. It's no sweat off my back, or yours. I know, you don't like polititians making it socially acceptable. Well, it's already socially acceptable. Giving them the same tax treatment and other legal implications won't make much of a difference. And besides, it's the right thing to do. And you know it. You're just being stubborn.

 

if it really IS socially acceptable, why has it been shot down EVERYTIME it's come to a state vote?