Round 7 Commentary

[Da Bomb 0]

[Vikings4ever 549]

You forgot to change the 5s to 7s in the pick thread.

[Fumbleweed 543]

Well, Bomb will have a field day with my pick at 7.01, but that's the guy I wanted. I'm a fan of his game and I think his upside is tremendous even coming off the injury.

[Da Bomb 0]

Well, Bomb will have a field day with my pick at 7.01, but that's the guy I wanted. I'm a fan of his game and I think his upside is tremendous even coming off the injury.

 

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

 

i was SURE after the debacle last year that i was safe getting him at 7.3.

 

 

Well, Bomb will have a field day with my pick at 7.01, but that's the guy I wanted. I'm a fan of his game and I think his upside is tremendous even coming off the injury.

 

you have ONE receiver through 7 rounds! i was golden! GOLDEN!!!!!!

 

[Clash of the Titans 1]

Well, Bomb will have a field day with my pick at 7.01, but that's the guy I wanted. I'm a fan of his game and I think his upside is tremendous even coming off the injury.

 

 

do you really want your qb #1 to be less than a year removed from an acl/pcl/mcl injury....

 

yeah the reports are glowing now but this guy will never be the same player in my opinion as a fantasy option because i feel the injury will forever take something away from his running skills which made him so valueable...also i don't think culpepper's very mentally tough either and often the biggest factor to overcome from one of these injuries is learning how to take hits again

 

should be interesting to see how he recovers...i always try to stay away from players with injuries like this until i see them go through a full season

[Miller_Time_21 0]

Well, Bomb will have a field day with my pick at 7.01, but that's the guy I wanted. I'm a fan of his game and I think his upside is tremendous even coming off the injury.

Bomb might not, but I sure will....

 

Not going to reinvent the wheel here since I just did a feature on him, here is my thoughts on him:

Miller Time provides our "Ice" for Miami Dolphins Quarterback, Daunte Culpepper

 

Daunte Culpepper - Here we go again, the hype machine is in high gear trying to tell you why this year will be different for Daunte Culpepper, why last year was just a fluke, and why despite the injury, he will become a star again in Miami. Well let me be your reality check, don't buy into the hype.

 

1. Daunte Culpepper has built up his fantasy stock based on 2 things:

Randy Moss! His panic button, don't need to read a defense, just toss it up to Moss when things got ugly. Culpepper was able to post eye popping stats against defenses overloaded to Moss on every play. It opened up the field for others, and Moss was talented enough to bail him out when he threw it up to him.

2. His running ability. Culpepper is a freak of nature, he's built like a LB, and was very difficult to bring down. His running stats inflated his fantasy value, and allowed him to be an extremely consistent fantasy QB.

Now for the reality of 2006! Culpepper no longer has Randy Moss to chuck the ball up to when in trouble. He also does not have a receiver who will command the attention that Moss did. He will face more balanced defenses and be forced to make honest defensive reads. This is something he has never proven the ability to do. Culpepper has played in 12 games over the last 2 years without Moss, and his numbers are not inspiring in this sample:

12 Games

2743 yds (229 pg)

15 TD's (1.25 pg)

15 INT's (1.25 pg)

 

Projected over 16 games, this numbers look like:

3,664 yds

20 TD's

20 INT's

 

As you can see, without Moss, Culpepper has proven to be simply mediocre through the air. Those numbers are not the number's you want to pencil in as your starter on a weekly basis.

 

So now that we see he has not proven to be able to succeed in the air without Moss, let's look at the second half of what has made him so successful. Culpepper ability to run and make things happen with his legs....oh....yeah....he brutally tore all 3 of his knee ligaments last season. Yes, that will hamper his future ability to run the ball like he has in the past. Expect to see Culpepper to have to live within the new limitations his body will impose on him, which means much more of a pocket QB. For a guy who has not proven to be able to read a balanced defense at the pro level, this is not a good thing. Add in the fact that his availability for the beginning of the season is still in doubt, and this is a recipe for disaster.

 

The bottom line is Daunte Culpepper should not be anything more then a back up this season on your fantasy team. Let someone else draft him and you will be very satisfied in the end.

 

Here is the full feature that this is from and the pro side on him as well:

http://www.sportsoutlaw.com/forum/nfl-fant...-culpepper.html

[Da Bomb 0]

i still just cant believe it. after everything last year on top of it, lol.

 

im not huge on culpepper like i have been, but i like taking him in the 7th if you already have a good 3 RBs and 3 WRs in place (or in my case 3 RBs, 2 WRs, an a stud TE). theres plenty of good backups available this year, so you should have no problem finding decent dpeth. when hes been healthy, hes been a top 5 fantasy QB, without exception -- esp in a league with no negatives such as this one.

 

im going with the other QB thats got high potential. i actually have him projected at exactly the same stats as culpepper right now. i have culpepper at 3450/22 and 150/2 right now, and i have vick at 2500/17 and 550/5. obviously both of those guys can increase from there, but i liked culpepper more because hes got more upside. vick will do just fine though. hes worth more upside to me here at QB than taking a 3rd WR.

 

maybe vick will break out for passing finally. and if he doesnt, he'll still be a top 10 QB.

[FantasyKing 4]

I was thinking about Culpepper at the end of the 6th, but just too much risk for a #1 QB on my team - for Fumble it makes sense, perfect backup to McNabb.

 

I'm pretty high on Bledsoe this year with TO in the mix, if TO can keep his head in the game - Bledsoe should be a stud as he was last year. If he can put up those numbers with scrubs like Terry Glenn, Meshawn, etc. - this year should be interesting. There were a few other QBs out there, but they just don't have as many weapons as Bledsoe.

[thedanzone 2]

I was thinking about Culpepper at the end of the 6th, but just too much risk for a #1 QB on my team - for Fumble it makes sense, perfect backup to McNabb.

 

I'm pretty high on Bledsoe this year with TO in the mix, if TO can keep his head in the game - Bledsoe should be a stud as he was last year. If he can put up those numbers with scrubs like Terry Glenn, Meshawn, etc. - this year should be interesting. There were a few other QBs out there, but they just don't have as many weapons as Bledsoe.

 

I was hoping Bledsoe would fall to me. I was going to take him last round, but saw Fragile was still available. Should have stuck to my guns.

[-jb- 0]

im going with the other QB thats got high potential. i actually have him projected at exactly the same stats as culpepper right now. i have culpepper at 3450/22 and 150/2 right now, and i have vick at 2500/17 and 550/5. obviously both of those guys can increase from there, but i liked culpepper more because hes got more upside. vick will do just fine though. hes worth more upside to me here at QB than taking a 3rd WR.

 

maybe vick will break out for passing finally. and if he doesnt, he'll still be a top 10 QB.

 

i had my eye on vick and honestly thought i could get him this round pretty easily. this is the first year that no one is discussing vick...and i honestly believe he'll be a steal. borderline top 5. the qb field has levelled off significantly (sans peyton), and a lot of the guys lumped into "the rest of 'em" have new systems, recent injuries, age, younger guys knocking on the door, or all of the above to deal with.

 

this is vick's year to finish with upper eschelon numbers...not necessarily by "breaking out," and not necessarily by a lack of competition, but a combination of both.

 

nice pick.

 

shoot me now for typing that

[Vikings4ever 549]

4 straight QBs.

 

Glad I grabbed one before the run.

[-jb- 0]

4 straight QBs.

 

Glad I grabbed one before the run.

 

[NAn 39]

&&%$#@ Fumble and **&^%%$# Bomb.

 

Had it worked out that only 2 of you should get a qb...from drafts/adp's that would be Bledsoe then C-pep.

 

I know Bomb likes Vick too, but wouldn't be able to pass on C-pep.

 

But of course Mr. 'I think the starting line-up for this mock is 2qb/5rb/1wr' Fumbleweed goes and graps Duante, which of course would leave Bomb to take Vick.

 

I actually have Delhomme right there with Vick as far as projections but Vick with bigger upside, so happy with Jake but Vick would have been nice upside guy.

[Da Bomb 0]

i liked the bledsoe pick as well. i was figuring to at least get him if culpepper wasnt there, because i think he'll be a good QB as well. bit safer pick than vick with probably almost as much upside.

 

dont mind the delhomme pick, but i think hes already seen his upside. hes a decent starter, but i wouldnt have taken him for another round.

[Vikings4ever 549]

Big fall by Ahman Green. If I didn't already have 3 RBs, I probably would have picked him in the 6th.

 

JB, if you head out for the night, you can send me a list for your selection.

[-jb- 0]

Big fall by Ahman Green. If I didn't already have 3 RBs, I probably would have picked him in the 6th.

[-jb- 0]

Just a note to say that through 6 rounds, HALF of the picks have been RB. That's excessive. I'm bitter.

[NAn 39]

i liked the bledsoe pick as well. i was figuring to at least get him if culpepper wasnt there, because i think he'll be a good QB as well. bit safer pick than vick with probably almost as much upside.

 

dont mind the delhomme pick, but i think hes already seen his upside. hes a decent starter, but i wouldnt have taken him for another round.

 

All I expect from Jake is 25/3700 and I'm fine with him as my starter...if he goes to his tops of 28/3800 all the more happier.

With a few behind me without qbs doubt he would have been there anyway.

 

And actually not sold on Bledsoe, just that many are and he's going before Vick/Delhomme, so figured and was right that he'd go there.

 

I've had this discussion many times on the board...with a qb, after say 5-7 yrs, with a rare exception now and then, what you see is what you're going to get.

 

Guess at how many times in a 13 yr career he's thrown for 25+tds? 3

More than 3800yds? 4 (2 of those were for 4300+ though)

 

And he did most of that his first 4 yrs in the league, back when he was the Patriots Poster Boy...a loooong time ago.

 

But what about Owens? He'll do wonders for Bledsoe.

See Collins last year with Moss...a qb who's thrown for 20tds 3 times prior?

Finished with 20tds.

[Fumbleweed 543]

Just a note to say that through 6 rounds, HALF of the picks have been RB. That's excessive. I'm bitter.

 

Welcome to the Jetdoc Mock.

[Vikings4ever 549]

Welcome to the Jetdoc Mock.

In the June mock, 35 of the first 72 picks were RBs.

[Fumbleweed 543]

do you really want your qb #1 to be less than a year removed from an acl/pcl/mcl injury....

 

Sure, when he's been the top fantasy QB in FF on four different occasions.......

 

Chris Chambers isn't Moss, but he's pretty darn similar in terms of his vertical game. I think it's a match made in heaven if Culpepper is even 80% healthy this year.

 

And, he isn't my #1 QB.....he's 1b......I have Mcnabb

 

you have ONE receiver through 7 rounds! i was golden! GOLDEN!!!!!!

 

This seems to be a concern to everyone but me. If I had one RB through 7 rounds, that would be a tragedy....WR.....not so much.

[-jb- 0]

In the June mock, 35 of the first 72 picks were RBs.

 

lesson learned. my intent was to watch everybody snatch up all of the questionable options, and then slide in with a few serviceable guys...that didn't work so well, and now my backs are poop. my reggie bush pick was questioned, but i didn't worry too much because i just assumed i would get deuce in the later rounds...then he went at 5.01

 

my draft has been a downward spiral since...

[Fumbleweed 543]

lesson learned. my intent was to watch everybody snatch up all of the questionable options, and then slide in with a few serviceable guys...that didn't work so well, and now my backs are poop. my reggie bush pick was questioned, but i didn't worry too much because i just assumed i would get deuce in the later rounds...then he went at 5.01

 

my draft has been a downward spiral since...

 

On the bright side of things, we did pick Alge Crumpler for you.

[FantasyKing 4]

But what about Owens? He'll do wonders for Bledsoe.

See Collins last year with Moss...a qb who's thrown for 20tds 3 times prior?

Finished with 20tds.

 

 

It may help if Randy Moss was actually ON THE FIELD.

 

I think Bledsoe is a bit more reliable and accurate than Kerry Collins.

[-jb- 0]

On the bright side of things, we did pick Alge Crumpler for you.

 

[Da Bomb 0]

All I expect from Jake is 25/3700 and I'm fine with him as my starter...if he goes to his tops of 28/3800 all the more happier.

With a few behind me without qbs doubt he would have been there anyway.

 

And actually not sold on Bledsoe, just that many are and he's going before Vick/Delhomme, so figured and was right that he'd go there.

 

I've had this discussion many times on the board...with a qb, after say 5-7 yrs, with a rare exception now and then, what you see is what you're going to get.

 

Guess at how many times in a 13 yr career he's thrown for 25+tds? 3

More than 3800yds? 4 (2 of those were for 4300+ though)

 

And he did most of that his first 4 yrs in the league, back when he was the Patriots Poster Boy...a loooong time ago.

 

But what about Owens? He'll do wonders for Bledsoe.

See Collins last year with Moss...a qb who's thrown for 20tds 3 times prior?

Finished with 20tds.

 

just to make some counter points to your arguments here...

 

delhomme is only 3 years younger than bledsoe, so hes also pretty much hit his peak. and in his career, hes only thrown for 25+ TDs once, and hes only thrown for 3800+ yards once (and that was barely). and hes also had the luxury of having the #1 WR in fantasy football for two years of his career. at some point, you have to believe hes sorta gonna run out of some luck. plus they now have a stud RB (imo) and should be able to focus on the run more.

 

with bledsoe, he already had 3600/23 last year, already a great fantasy season. and there are reasons to believe he will improve. hes had a year in the system now, and he upgraded from keyshawn to TO. if you look, every QB during his first year starting with TO has seen a huge spike in his numbers. at the very least, theres no reason to believe bledsoe doesnt at least match his numbers last season, and theres only reason to believe he will improve.

 

i dont think bledsoes goign to turn into a fantasy superstar this year, but i think he should be an above average guy most weeks. and with TO, any week hes liable to explode. i guess you could make the same argument for delhomme with steve smith, i just wouldnt buy it. i think terry glenn is almost as dangerous as smith if used right, and TO beats the crap out of keyshawn. delhomme will be a solid QB, i just dont like him anymore than about 5 others left and dont see great upside there. with bledsoe, i think he'll be a bit better and still had a level of upside this year.

[NAn 39]

It may help if Randy Moss was actually ON THE FIELD.

 

I think Bledsoe is a bit more reliable and accurate than Kerry Collins.

 

 

Like Owens will help Bledsoe...for the 8 games he plays before getting suspended.

[thedanzone 2]

Just a note to say that through 6 rounds, HALF of the picks have been RB. That's excessive. I'm bitter.

 

It's because the WR crop is laughable at this point.

[NAn 39]

just to make some counter points to your arguments here...

 

delhomme is only 3 years younger than bledsoe, so hes also pretty much hit his peak. and in his career, hes only thrown for 25+ TDs once, and hes only thrown for 3800+ yards once (and that was barely). and hes also had the luxury of having the #1 WR in fantasy football for two years of his career. at some point, you have to believe hes sorta gonna run out of some luck. plus they now have a stud RB (imo) and should be able to focus on the run more.

 

with bledsoe, he already had 3600/23 last year, already a great fantasy season. and there are reasons to believe he will improve. hes had a year in the system now, and he upgraded from keyshawn to TO. if you look, every QB during his first year starting with TO has seen a huge spike in his numbers. at the very least, theres no reason to believe bledsoe doesnt at least match his numbers last season, and theres only reason to believe he will improve.

 

i dont think bledsoes goign to turn into a fantasy superstar this year, but i think he should be an above average guy most weeks. and with TO, any week hes liable to explode. i guess you could make the same argument for delhomme with steve smith, i just wouldnt buy it. i think terry glenn is almost as dangerous as smith if used right, and TO beats the crap out of keyshawn. delhomme will be a solid QB, i just dont like him anymore than about 5 others left and dont see great upside there. with bledsoe, i think he'll be a bit better and still had a level of upside this year.

 

this is most banter we've had in awhile so I'll go with it...

 

3600/23 for Drew last yr? 3400/24 for Jake....a wash.

Only reason he bumped up in rankings a bit was 2 rush tds, that moved him from 9th to 5th.

I'll admit Jake's yr is an avg one...so was Drew's.

 

First off, we know 3yrs or not, Jake has taken less of a pnding over his career as his just started for most part like 5 yrs ago.

And 3 yrs in football years is alot more than you make it out to be...difference between a Priest's career season and being out of the league.

 

You don't buy Smith = TO? I'm definitely not buying Glenn = Smith.

 

You say Jake topped out 2yrs ago? Fine, my projections split the difference of past 2 yrs.

 

That's good enough for top8...don't see much more out of Drew.

 

It's just funny how you're sure Jake has 'topped out', but when I show what Drew's top numbers over past 13 yrs....that there's room for 'upside with him'.

[ShaneFalco 0]

Jake > Drew IMO

[Da Bomb 0]

clarification that glenn can be as dangerous as smith if used correctly... especially with that speed and in constant single coverage opposite owens. bledsoe himself, whos been in the league for over a decade, has been quoted as saying that hes yet to see a corner who can cover glenn 1-on-1. add in owens and witten, one of the best 3rd WRs in the league in crayton, and a good receiving RB in barber, and thats just a lot of great options.

 

i just see reason to think drew will improve on last years numbers, while theres reason to believe delhomme's numbers may decrease -- doubtful smith matches his career numbers, and they should actually have a running game to rely on this year. delhomme has already had the #1 WR in fantasy two years in a row... i dont really see how he can improve from there. but bledsoe was the #5 QB last year with a mediocre team and mediocre targets, and he just added the #1 target in the game to his arsenal.

 

in the end, maybe they'll come out even... but bledsoe has the potential upside there for a top fantasy season, and i dont see that from delhomme. if hes not gonig to be a great fantasy starter with the #1 fantasy WR, why should we believe it will be any different without? take a look at QBs stats their first year with owens. theres a very noticable spike. im just saying theres a lot of reasons to believe bledsoe should be better than he was last year, and i cant think of any for delhomme really.

 

still think delhomme will be a solid fantasy starter. i just think theres another 3 or 4 guys who will be just as solid in the next round or two. maybe vick and delhomme and bledsoe will all end up similar... but vick and bledsoe have the big upside for more, imo, while i just dont see it for jake -- thats all.

[FantasyKing 4]

Like Owens will help Bledsoe...for the 8 games he plays before getting suspended.

 

 

Exactly and by then I will have traded him and the league's leading rusher DeAngelo WIlliams to you for Clinton Portis and Randy Moss.

[ShaneFalco 0]

Does Clash usually hang around at night?

[NAn 39]

clarification that glenn can be as dangerous as smith if used correctly... especially with that speed and in constant single coverage opposite owens. bledsoe himself, whos been in the league for over a decade, has been quoted as saying that hes yet to see a corner who can cover glenn 1-on-1. add in owens and witten, one of the best 3rd WRs in the league in crayton, and a good receiving RB in barber, and thats just a lot of great options.

 

i just see reason to think drew will improve on last years numbers, while theres reason to believe delhomme's numbers may decrease -- doubtful smith matches his career numbers, and they should actually have a running game to rely on this year. delhomme has already had the #1 WR in fantasy two years in a row... i dont really see how he can improve from there. but bledsoe was the #5 QB last year with a mediocre team and mediocre targets, and he just added the #1 target in the game to his arsenal.

 

in the end, maybe they'll come out even... but bledsoe has the potential upside there for a top fantasy season, and i dont see that from delhomme. if hes not gonig to be a great fantasy starter with the #1 fantasy WR, why should we believe it will be any different without? take a look at QBs stats their first year with owens. theres a very noticable spike. im just saying theres a lot of reasons to believe bledsoe should be better than he was last year, and i cant think of any for delhomme really.

 

still think delhomme will be a solid fantasy starter. i just think theres another 3 or 4 guys who will be just as solid in the next round or two. maybe vick and delhomme and bledsoe will all end up similar... but vick and bledsoe have the big upside for more, imo, while i just dont see it for jake -- thats all.

 

good stuff as always bomb...and you know me, just like the discussion and pt/counterpt.

 

I'll agree that there are a couple/3 guys left who could do better than Delhomme (and Drew for that matter) ...but it was much too early to take those guys too.

 

Doesn't mean I'm not targeting them for later.

[remote controller 143]

Nite everyone! I'm old and I'm hittin' the hay! I will check in at 6:30 AM to see if Clash crashed the party late. Would not suprise me at all. See ya in the A.M..

[NAn 39]

V4E

I updated the 'by team' and 'by rnd' threads thru 7.9

 

Appreciate you doing those threads, so I'll pick up slack where I can.

[Clash of the Titans 1]

SCUZE ME WHILE I CLEAR MY THROAT!!!!!!!!!!!

 

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! A DADDY FUN DANCE AT HALFCOURT!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

congrats to old school relics alonzo mourning and gary " the glove " for getting their 1st ring.......

 

and ooh yeah special props to the daddy and my man dwayne wade

 

pat riley! one of the greatest coaches of all-time~

 

 

i'll pick in a few..what a game and comeback in the series by the heat.....that's why you never give up...it all looked for nought in game 3 when the heat were down 13 with 5 minutes left in game 3

 

[Da Bomb 0]

clash, this turn goes quickly, so if youre not going to be around early in the morning, please send in a list to me or nan or both of us.

[Clash of the Titans 1]

okay da bomb- was gonna do that anyway

 

now back to your regularly scheduled program...i'll take kennison there as my #3 wr and look for another 1000 + season with 6-7 tds or so

[Fumbleweed 543]

"Edward" Kennison?

 

His mama called him Eddie....I'm gonna call him Eddie.

 

Mama called him Clay.......etc.,...