Sleeper Alert?

[football_scooter 0]

I think this is a great value pick in the least, and a sleeper since no one's talking about him...

 

Chris Simms, QB TB

 

I think Gruden is among the best offensive minded coaches in the league, the Bucs have a balanced offense, decent line, good talent at WR, and Simms looked pretty darn good when they took the leash off last year.

 

I'll be looking for him in the 12th - 14th this year...I think he could be a solid play as a QB2.

[adam smitty 0]

Yea, he'd be a solid guy to stash away as a backup if you have a sure thing already in place and who knows, maybe he can become a good starting option. Gruden deffinitely does know how to make his QBs better.

[pee-diddy 27]

I dunno how late "late late late" is but Volek might not pan out too bad for where u draft him.

[football_scooter 0]

I dunno how late "late late late" is but Volek might not pan out too bad for where u draft him.

 

I know there's a lot of hype on Volek this year, but I am unconvinced. He had a string of 3 unreal starts...then CRASHED back to Earth.

 

If Volek was really that good, the Titans wouldn't have drafted a QB with a high pick, IMO.

 

I think Simms has far greater potential.

 

 

 

 

 

And for "late late late" means 12th - 14th round.

 

 

 

Gruden deffinitely does know how to make his QBs better.

 

Totally agree.

[Slim Pickins 0]

I know there's a lot of hype on Volek this year, but I am unconvinced. He had a string of 3 unreal starts...then CRASHED back to Earth.

 

If Volek was really that good, the Titans wouldn't have drafted a QB with a high pick, IMO.

 

I think Simms has far greater potential.

And for "late late late" means 12th - 14th round.

Totally agree.

 

I don't know why, but I read Gruden's book after he won the Super Bowl. My lethargy keeps me from looking it up, but he was a quarterbacks coach for a while.

[remote controller 143]

I think this is a great value pick in the least, and a sleeper since no one's talking about him...

 

Chris Simms, QB TB

 

I think Gruden is among the best offensive minded coaches in the league, the Bucs have a balanced offense, decent line, good talent at WR, and Simms looked pretty darn good when they took the leash off last year.

 

I'll be looking for him in the 12th - 14th this year...I think he could be a solid play as a QB2.

I also feel Rivers deserves a look. He still has the best TE in the league to throw to, one of the best receiving Rb's ever, and a cagey old vet in McCardell. Rivers is available very late, and offers just as much value........in my opinion.

[Kellys Heroes 0]

I like A Brocks as a third qb taken. A top ten qb 2 years; he is now below the first 20

[football_scooter 0]

I like A Brocks as a third qb taken. A top ten qb 2 years; he is now below the first 20

 

Unless you intend on drafting 3 QBs in the first 10 rounds, you won't be able to have Brooks as a 3rd option. No way. He's being hyped like Collins was...the new "guy who's throwing to Randy Moss" as it were.

 

He's been taken pretty consistently in the 8th-10th from what I've seen.

[football_scooter 0]

BTW, I forgot to mention that Simms is also in a contract year.

 

[Kopy 596]

I think this is a great value pick in the least, and a sleeper since no one's talking about him...

 

Chris Simms, QB TB

 

I think Gruden is among the best offensive minded coaches in the league, the Bucs have a balanced offense, decent line, good talent at WR, and Simms looked pretty darn good when they took the leash off last year.

 

I'll be looking for him in the 12th - 14th this year...I think he could be a solid play as a QB2.

 

 

If it's a keeper league. And assuming your talking sleeper as in waiting a year and you don't have to use the guy as your backup.

 

Then I think I'd rather draft a Tampa QB even later. (We have an 18 round draft)

And roll the dice with Bruce Gradkowski. A guy you could probably draft in the last round at this point.

[Rookie QB 0]

I David Carr & Chris Simms.

[football_scooter 0]

If it's a keeper league. And assuming your talking sleeper as in waiting a year and you don't have to use the guy as your backup.

 

Then I think I'd rather draft a Tampa QB even later. (We have an 18 round draft)

And roll the dice with Bruce Gradkowski. A guy you could probably draft in the last round at this point.

 

 

uhm, no - I'm talking about a sleeper for this year in a redraft league.

 

I don't even know what you'd call a sleeper for next year. Interesting, yet irrelevant perhaps.

[Kopy 596]

 

uhm, no - I'm talking about a sleeper for this year in a redraft league.

 

I don't even know what you'd call a sleeper for next year. Interesting, yet irrelevant perhaps.

 

I didn't realize you ment in a redraft league.

I thought you were going alittle deeper than a late starter or a backup.

 

For the future though. Check the kid out. To me Simms is blahhh (like you said, he's a FA next year)

Fiedler and Rattay won't bring them where they want to go as a franchise.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I gotta throw Kitna out there. Guy will be running the Mad Scientist (I won't use the word genius w/ Martz, ever!) offense and has a good collection of skill players to help out. He's usually still sitting out there in Rnd 13, which almost qualifies at late-late. He's almost a no-risk pick at this point.

 

Oooops...my bad too, didn't realize you were talking about a re-draft league...forget Kitna in that situation then...I'd be more inclined to agree with the post on Rivers.

[Riddlen 1]

Unless you intend on drafting 3 QBs in the first 10 rounds, you won't be able to have Brooks as a 3rd option. No way. He's being hyped like Collins was...the new "guy who's throwing to Randy Moss" as it were.

 

He's been taken pretty consistently in the 8th-10th from what I've seen.

I dont touch QBs until late draft. There is no differentiating value between thme to worth going higher in most cases.

[XToday 0]

Whomever ends up backup to Brad Johnson. Has the guy ever stayed healthy? Or prolific? I give him till game 6 before he's hurt or benched.

 

Eventually it's rookie T. Jackson, but dunno yet if he's #2.

[Kopy 596]

Whomever ends up backup to Brad Johnson. Has the guy ever stayed healthy? Or prolific? I give him till game 6 before he's hurt or benched.

 

Eventually it's rookie T. Jackson, but dunno yet if he's #2.

 

It could end up being JT O'Sollivan

[Spousal Neglect 0]

Going way deep as a sleeper here, and this is for a back-up or #3 QB on your roster; I plan on taking Alex Smith late. Norv Turner groomed Aikman, and has has said that Alex took a lot of offseason time to improve. He also has V. Davis, and from what came out of the 4 day May mini-camp is that Alex didn't throw a single INT. I know its a stretch but we are talking sleepers. We shall see.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Going way deep as a sleeper here, and this is for a back-up or #3 QB on your roster; I plan on taking Alex Smith late. Norv Turner groomed Aikman, and has has said that Alex took a lot of offseason time to improve. He also has V. Davis, and from what came out of the 4 day May mini-camp is that Alex didn't throw a single INT. I know its a stretch but we are talking sleepers. We shall see.

 

I think most highschool QB's could avoid INT's against that pathetic secondary.

 

That being said, a really, really deep sleeper here is Kellen Clemens of the NYJets. Kid will have the starter spot by season end, guaranteed.

[Parkers99 0]

Simms is definately on my radar in my auction league. If Brooks is cheap & I can get Simms for $1... I may just spend $80 for the top two RB's.

[larrymcirish 0]

I think this is a great value pick in the least, and a sleeper since no one's talking about him...

 

Chris Simms, QB TB

 

I think Gruden is among the best offensive minded coaches in the league, the Bucs have a balanced offense, decent line, good talent at WR, and Simms looked pretty darn good when they took the leash off last year.

 

I'll be looking for him in the 12th - 14th this year...I think he could be a solid play as a QB2.

 

If Galloway can come close to last year & Michael Clayton can rev it back up (hopefully, he lost his lard ass), then I think Simms would be an excellent #2.

[Grateful Parrot 0]

Didn't I read last year that Gruden didn't particularly care for Simms? That he though Johnson was going to carry him until he got hurt? And now Gruden drafted a franchise QB to take over when Simms slips? But I do like the Simms pick though. Maybe my memory's not what it used to be.

[esoitl 0]

I think most highschool QB's could avoid INT's against that pathetic secondary.

 

That being said, a really, really deep sleeper here is Kellen Clemens of the NYJets. Kid will have the starter spot by season end, guaranteed.

as a Jets fan i think it is a very long shot but possible

i wouldnt waste a pick unless you plan on holding 3 QBs

[Gepetto 1,488]

Rex Grossman - the few times he's played and I've watched, he seems confident and throws a good ball.

[tampa_fan_01 0]

Rex Grossman - the few times he's played and I've watched, he seems confident and throws a good ball.

Woah woah woah... you mean he wasnt on the bench next to the trainer? I demand clips =)

 

Ok so I admit I drafted Pennington and Grossman last year, and I got BURNED. But this year I think Pennington gets his job back, and could have a good season. I also really like Alex Smith. I dont think he takes the big leap this year, hes no Eli or Peyton, but I think he will have a solid season. Mostly because he will get alot of junk yardage time...

[4i's 0]

I would put Kitna on top of the sleeper QB. Under Mike Martz system, and 3 good WRs, he will get his share of TDs baring offensive line protection

[football_scooter 0]

I would put Kitna on top of the sleeper QB. Under Mike Martz system, and 3 good WRs, he will get his share of TDs baring offensive line protection

 

And if it wasn't Jon Kitna, you might be right.

 

In a system he knew with talent around him and a decent O-Line and run game, Kitna could well have success as the starter.

 

In DET he'll be Joey Harrington II.

[seattleslew 0]

As a QB2 Simms isn't bad.

 

But the offense is always keyed on run, run, run and that's not exactly going to flatter a quarterback "breakout" season

 

So IMO there is little hope of catching offensive lightning in a bottle. Just a decent #2 who might fit nicely into a bye.

[seattle_pt1 0]

I gotta throw Kitna out there. Guy will be running the Mad Scientist (I won't use the word genius w/ Martz, ever!) offense and has a good collection of skill players to help out. He's usually still sitting out there in Rnd 13, which almost qualifies at late-late. He's almost a no-risk pick at this point.

 

Oooops...my bad too, didn't realize you were talking about a re-draft league...forget Kitna in that situation then...I'd be more inclined to agree with the post on Rivers.

 

 

I think Kitna will be gold this year. If Martz can turn Bulger into a top 10 QB, then Kitna should flourish with all of those WRs!

[ellisonb11 0]

just grabbed leftwich in the 13th in a current draft...hes my QB 3 so im not expecting too much from him, but maybe he will get some trade value.

[Ace08 11]

As a QB2 Simms isn't bad.

 

But the offense is always keyed on run, run, run and that's not exactly going to flatter a quarterback "breakout" season

 

So IMO there is little hope of catching offensive lightning in a bottle. Just a decent #2 who might fit nicely into a bye.

 

Bingo. That's all Simms will ever be....if he has "great" year by his standards he might be a decent #2......nothing more. There are several QB's that can be had just as late that will outproduce Simms due to system they're in.

 

I think Kitna will be gold this year. If Martz can turn Bulger into a top 10 QB, then Kitna should flourish with all of those WRs!

 

I agree....and I think as the NFL season gets closer you'll see him move up draft boards as well. Let's face it, any QB with a pulse could fall out of bed and have a pretty good year with Mike Martz calling the plays. By drafting Kitna as your #2 you're basically drafting the philiosophy which Martz brings....which has repeatedly been proven to work as far as producing numbers....which in turn is all we fantasy geeks care about. Kitna is a very good bet to finish as a top 10 fantasy QB's this year. He'll start out as a #2 on most squads but may very well end up being alot of people's #1 before seasons end.

[football_scooter 0]

By drafting Kitna as your #2 you're basically drafting the philiosophy which Martz brings....

 

"philiosophy"? wtf is that?

 

Oh, wait - is that "philiosophy" the one where he fails to manage the game clock?

 

You aren't drafting anyone's philosophy (or philiosophy for that matter) - you're drafting Jon Kitna, who washed out of Seattle, then washed out of Cinci.

 

Here's a good way to evaluate Jon Kitna: Carson Palmer might not be back in time for the season to start and Cinci still let him go. That should be a hint right there.

 

Kitna is a very good bet to finish as a top 10 fantasy QB's this year. He'll start out as a #2 on most squads but may very well end up being alot of people's #1 before seasons end.

Only through desperation, and he will fail to perform as a #1. Don't get me wrong - I like Kitna...I think he is a hard working veteran who can be servicable for a game or two.

 

But he will not be a consistent or reliable fantasy QB. Especially in DET, where his prima donna WRs have no work ethic, the O-Line is a mess and the RB situation is dicey at best.

 

Could he and the team surprise? Sure, they could. Would I bank on that? Hell no.

[Ace08 11]

I wouldn't call the RB situation in DET "dicey" at all. They have a clear-cut starter in Kevin Jones. The problem with Jones is not talent...it's staying healthy. You can say the same thing about plenty of RB situations around the league since RB's get hurt all the time.

 

"Work Ethic" is one of the BS sports terms....it's right up there with "Chemistry" and "Clutch". They change from year to year, month to month, day to day. If your team is winning...you have chemistry. If you get a hit in the 9th inning...you're clutch...but God forbid you strike out 2 nights later cause then you're no longer "clutch". As for "work ethic" and "attitude"...nothing one good season under Mike Martz can't dispell. Williams is a very nice breakout candidate. Charles Rodgers has a ton of upside/talent......and Mike Williams can still be a nice possession receiver.

 

Either way...not sure how you can think TB's 120 year old Galloway and underachieving Michael Clayton are much better. Cadillac can't stay healthy either, not even in college....guess their RB situation is "dicey" as well.

 

Kitna has a TON more upside than Simms IMO.

 

By the way...thanks for the grammatical advice. Very cute....taking the spelling bee approach as a form of a rebuttal.

[football_scooter 0]

I wouldn't call the RB situation in DET "dicey" at all. They have a clear-cut starter in Kevin Jones. The problem with Jones is not talent...it's staying healthy. You can say the same thing about plenty of RB situations around the league since RB's get hurt all the time.

 

"Work Ethic" is one of the BS sports terms....it's right up there with "Chemistry" and "Clutch". They change from year to year, month to month, day to day. If your team is winning...you have chemistry. If you get a hit in the 9th inning...you're clutch...but God forbid you strike out 2 nights later cause then you're no longer "clutch". As for "work ethic" and "attitude"...nothing one good season under Mike Martz can't dispell. Williams is a very nice breakout candidate. Charles Rodgers has a ton of upside/talent......and Mike Williams can still be a nice possession receiver.

 

Either way...not sure how you can think TB's 120 year old Galloway and underachieving Michael Clayton are much better. Cadillac can't stay healthy either, not even in college....guess their RB situation is "dicey" as well.

 

Kitna has a TON more upside than Simms IMO.

 

By the way...thanks for the grammatical advice. Very cute....taking the spelling bee approach as a form of a rebuttal.

 

1. it wasn't grammar, it was spelling. And I was just playing around. Lighten up, Francis.

2. "work ethic" is in no way the same as those intangibles you refer to - work ethic is measurable - do players take plays off? Do WRs block when they're suppossed to? Do the coaches like them? Those things all effect how much a WR is used, and how many times they're targeted. It also effects team chemistry, which as I understand it has been lousy in DET for years. With these same players, I don't see how MArtz is going to effect that.

3. DET RBs: Bryson, Pinner, KJones. Sure, there's lots of pre-season hype on Jones....just like there was last year. Except he seems to bruise like a grape, and all 3 of them run behind a dog-sh!t O-Line.

 

4. TB has a far superior O-Line, and Pittman can certainly step in to handle the load if Caddy is injured at all.

 

5. Simms at this point is a better, smarter QB than Kitna. That one is a matter of opinion I suppose, but each to their own. Guess we can go round & round on this one all day, so why don't we just wait to see how the season pans out. Everything I've read about Simms this offseason has been overwhealmingly positive. Kitna is Kitna - a veteran QB who's been up & down his entire career. Kitna's upside is extremely limited by the brainless mistakes he has always had a propensity for making. Pairing him with a pass-happy OC like Martz will more than likely increase the number of mistakes Kitna makes rather than turning him into the next Marc Bulger. Andhe's no spring chicken, so behind that crappy O-Line, he'll be lucky to be playing after week 6.

 

Like I said - each to his own, but your overconfidence about Kitna being the 2nd coming of PManning is a little ill conceived, IMO.

 

How's that for a rebuttal?

[Kilroy 0]

Simms vs. Kitna?

 

I'd take Simms.

 

For one - Kitna isn't garaunteed the starting spot. He'll certaintly be the favorite, but he'll get pushed hard by Josh McCown in the preseason. If McCown outplays him, he'll have a good chance at starting. Even if he doesn't start the season, I think if Kitna struggles through the first 4-6 games, the coaches wouldn't be hesitant to put McCown in. Mike Martz may be able to mold McCown into something yet in Detroit. Kitna may just be the vet holding it down until they feel McCown can handle it. Having played in Denny Green's system the past few years, he certaintly knows how to toss the ball down field and he did have some impressive games while in Arizona. A new coach may be able to help him out and Martz has a good track record working with young QBs taking over a team for the first time.

 

If you take that out of the equation and just assume they will both start throughout the entire year, I'd still go with Simms. I supposse Kitna would come with more "upside", but the chances he'll reach that upside this season are a lot closer to the floor than they are the ceiling in my opinion. That offense is going to be a work in progress. It's a new system and coaching staff and the players that are there don't have the best track records as far as working hard is concerned - at least not the receivers and they will be an important part of that offense.

 

Roy Williams is a bonafide talent and will make noise, but none of the others have shown much of anything. Charles Rogers is hanging on by a thread right now and Mike Williams has sounded like a huge bust since before the '05 season even started. Kevin Jones may have a nice rebound year, but that isn't going to help Kitna all that much.

 

Simms is in a much better situation. This will be his third season playing under the same coaching staff and Gruden has a great track record with quaterbacks. The only concern I'd have is that Gruden's successful QBs in the past have all been older vets. Simms is the first young quarterback I think he'll ever have given the chance of running his offense for an entire year. The most important thing Simms will need to do is keep his INTs down. As long as he does that he should be fine.

 

He will have better recivers to work with, in all likelyhood a better RB and most impotantly a better, proven coaching staff guiding him and the rest of the offense. The Buccanears already have what they want established while the Lions are in the early stages of starting over. Sometimes it just pays off a lot more to go with the player that is in the better situation as oppossed to the one you may think is surrounded by more talent and a more promising offense when it comes to putting up big numbers.

[football_scooter 0]

Simms vs. Kitna?

 

I'd take Simms.

 

For one - Kitna isn't garaunteed the starting spot. He'll certaintly be the favorite, but he'll get pushed hard by Josh McCown in the preseason. If McCown outplays him, he'll have a good chance at starting. Even if he doesn't start the season, I think if Kitna struggles through the first 4-6 games, the coaches wouldn't be hesitant to put McCown in. Mike Martz may be able to mold McCown into something yet in Detroit. Kitna may just be the vet holding it down until they feel McCown can handle it. Having played in Denny Green's system the past few years, he certaintly knows how to toss the ball down field and he did have some impressive games while in Arizona. A new coach may be able to help him out and Martz has a good track record working with young QBs taking over a team for the first time.

 

If you take that out of the equation and just assume they will both start throughout the entire year, I'd still go with Simms. I supposse Kitna would come with more "upside", but the chances he'll reach that upside this season are a lot closer to the floor than they are the ceiling in my opinion. That offense is going to be a work in progress. It's a new system and coaching staff and the players that are there don't have the best track records as far as working hard is concerned - at least not the receivers and they will be an important part of that offense.

 

Roy Williams is a bonafide talent and will make noise, but none of the others have shown much of anything. Charles Rogers is hanging on by a thread right now and Mike Williams has sounded like a huge bust since before the '05 season even started. Kevin Jones may have a nice rebound year, but that isn't going to help Kitna all that much.

 

Simms is in a much better situation. This will be his third season playing under the same coaching staff and Gruden has a great track record with quaterbacks. The only concern I'd have is that Gruden's successful QBs in the past have all been older vets. Simms is the first young quarterback I think he'll ever have given the chance of running his offense for an entire year. The most important thing Simms will need to do is keep his INTs down. As long as he does that he should be fine.

 

He will have better recivers to work with, in all likelyhood a better RB and most impotantly a better, proven coaching staff guiding him and the rest of the offense. The Buccanears already have what they want established while the Lions are in the early stages of starting over. Sometimes it just pays off a lot more to go with the player that is in the better situation as oppossed to the one you may think is surrounded by more talent and a more promising offense when it comes to putting up big numbers.

 

There aren't enough of these => to accurately represent how much I agree with this post.

[49ER MAN 0]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Charlie Frye. The o-line is improved, Jurevicius and Northcutt are decent WR's, Droughns is solid, and if Winslow and Edwards can make it back, their offense could be pretty good.

[jocstrap 8]

I think Simms is a very respectable late (12+ round) type of guy. Defenses will be trying to stop the run leaving man to man on the Wr's. This should allow quite a few 2td games ( I'm thinking around 6-8) plus some long td's thrown in there also (hopefully to Galloway)! Not too many 300+ yard games though - and depending on your scoring system that could come in to play for bonus's and such.

 

Other deeeeep rounders to consider would be Volek, Carr, Rivers, and Brad Johnson - - then you just have to pick the one you like best.

[ffdude1 0]

3 QBs to watch as sleepers:

Chris Simms--they got no one else and Gruden likes him

Aaron Brooks--new change of scenery and Moss and Porter should help him bounce back

Jon Kitna--Mike Martz and all of those "potenially great" receivers--enuff said

[Super Cubs 156]

Was'nt the Bucs ready to jump into the McNair mix just before the Balt trade?

 

Simms is a great talent if you look back at his Texas records. But he's no Applewhite when it comes to putting 100% into the game.