Just completed a mock with this strategy

[mt-wabo 0]

Guys I drafted in the 12th hole in a redraft mock

 

I usually go WR,Rb,RB,WR, then BPA

but this time I went WR,RB,Rb,RB,RB,QB,WR,TE,WR, etc. tell me what you think, your feedback helps a lot

 

waboritas

POS Player Name Team Pick Bye

 

QB Tom Brady NEP 6.01 6

QB David Carr HOU 12.01 5

RB Brian Westbrook PHI 2.01 9

RB Warrick Dunn ATL 3.12 5

RB Tatum Bell DEN 4.01 4

RB Deuce McAllister NOS 5.12 7

WR Steve Smith CAR 1.12 9

WR Lee Evans BUF 7.12 8

WR Ernest Wilford JAC 9.12 6

WR Mark Clayton BAL 11.12 7

TE Chris Cooley WAS 8.01 8

TE Ben Troupe TEN 13.12 7

PK Mike Vanderjagt DAL 14.01 3

DT Chicago Bears CHI 10.01 7

[TheGambinoCrimeFamily 0]

Outside of your 1st pick, in Steve Smith, your WR's are very scrappy. RB's are mediocre. I think you were fortunate to get Tom Brady in round 6. Mock team is fair in my opinion. Not good enough to win a league IMO

[gatorbait7391 0]

yea crappy mock if you got brady in 6 and if you knew what you were doing you wouldnt know what position your gonna take no matter what every round. bad statedgy

[Kellys Heroes 0]

Westy at 2.01, I wouldn't have done that.

 

I woundn't use your strategy in a real draft, if some thing were to happen to Smith; you would be finished. I would of taken a wr and Bell at 3.12/4.01; then go rb/qb or te at 5.12/6.01 Duece and Brady at 5.12/6.01 was nice; only in mocks i'm afraid.

[remote controller 143]

Guys I drafted in the 12th hole in a redraft mock

 

I usually go WR,Rb,RB,WR, then BPA

but this time I went WR,RB,Rb,RB,RB,QB,WR,TE,WR, etc. tell me what you think, your feedback helps a lot

 

waboritas

POS Player Name Team Pick Bye

 

QB Tom Brady NEP 6.01 6

QB David Carr HOU 12.01 5

RB Brian Westbrook PHI 2.01 9

RB Warrick Dunn ATL 3.12 5

RB Tatum Bell DEN 4.01 4

RB Deuce McAllister NOS 5.12 7

WR Steve Smith CAR 1.12 9

WR Lee Evans BUF 7.12 8

WR Ernest Wilford JAC 9.12 6

WR Mark Clayton BAL 11.12 7

TE Chris Cooley WAS 8.01 8

TE Ben Troupe TEN 13.12 7

PK Mike Vanderjagt DAL 14.01 3

DT Chicago Bears CHI 10.01 7

A good squad lacking one clear #1Rb. If Bell were to emerge or Duece get his share with Bush, then you might have a good one.

[Natural Lights 0]

No way Westbrook would ever go at 2.01. Tough to evaluate because this skews the whole draft. I think if you had gone for the standard pick here your team would be more solid. this team would not be favored to compete.

[FantasyKing 4]

I think for drafting 4 straight RBs in the 2nd,3rd,4th, and 5th rounds - they still suck!

[devildog 0]

12 is a very tough place to be picking. 11 clear cut players and then it goes to hell IMO.

[tampa_fan_01 0]

I think the strategy is good, but I like to be more flexible. I like having a top flight WR, but at #12, you may do better to draft with this strategy. However, you end up taking more risks like Bell, McAllister, and the likes, which is scary.

[football_scooter 0]

I think for drafting 4 straight RBs in the 2nd,3rd,4th, and 5th rounds - they still suck!

 

that was my gut reaction.

[murf74 461]

Just be happy this was a mock.

[seattle_pt1 0]

your RBs are small and/or injury prone, so they either may not hold up for the whole season or give up goal line touches

[mt-wabo 0]

Yeah I guess you guys didnt like this strategy the only thing I was thinking was if I grab all those Rb's over a wr2 and they pan out then I could trade them for a better WR. The only thing I had a problem with this mock was my WR2

 

Dunn and T.Bell aren't that bad though I took Smith first becuase the other backs that were available were Mcgahee and Dom. Davis which I just dont have faith in right now come mini camps and preseason maybe my tune will change

[murf74 461]

Yeah I guess you guys didnt like this strategy the only thing I was thinking was if I grab all those Rb's over a wr2 and they pan out then I could trade them for a better WR. The only thing I had a problem with this mock was my WR2

 

Dunn and T.Bell aren't that bad though I took Smith first becuase the other backs that were available were Mcgahee and Dom. Davis which I just dont have faith in right now come mini camps and preseason maybe my tune will change

 

Never draft expecting someone will want to trade. You think you will trade a RB for a WR down the line, just pick a WR instead.

 

Never go into a draft with a set strategy of position by round. Take what comes to you within reason.

 

If you have a link, I would love to see your options at all the rounds and see what you could have gotten if you did not go with a set position for every round.

[Phurfur 70]

Never draft expecting someone will want to trade. You think you will trade a RB for a WR down the line, just pick a WR instead.

 

Never go into a draft with a set strategy of position by round. Take what comes to you within reason.

 

 

[texasmouth 1]

Westbrook at 2.01 is not a stretch in a point per reception league, which this was. I drafted with Wabo in this draft.

 

A lot of people are overlooking Dunn as well. In a PPR league a combination of Dunn and Westy is just nasty with Steve Smith as the #1. The other WR pretty much suck in my opinion though.

[GobbleDog 1,020]

5'9" Steve Smith will disapoint a lot of people this year. He'll be good, but not great.

 

You've been warned.

[texasmouth 1]

5'9" Steve Smith will disapoint a lot of people this year. He'll be good, but not great.

 

You've been warned.

I wonder about that too Gobble. Listen to this scenario.....I am picking 9th, I am going WR, WR, unless someone ridiculous falls to me, and I really dont want to draft Steve Smith. I want T.O. and Fitz but I know the only way I can get them is with my first two picks.......do I take T.O. in the first round????? I know he wont make it back to me......

[GobbleDog 1,020]

I wonder about that too Gobble. Listen to this scenario.....I am picking 9th, I am going WR, WR, unless someone ridiculous falls to me, and I really dont want to draft Steve Smith. I want T.O. and Fitz but I know the only way I can get them is with my first two picks.......do I take T.O. in the first round????? I know he wont make it back to me......

I understand your reasoning for wanting to go WR-WR this year with the 9th pick. Those late 1st round RBs don't look very reliable. I'm nervous that I might end up in that predicament as well. But, a couple of those late round RBs will pan out. It's just difficult trying to figure out which one's they are. But if you get it right, you'll be going to playoffs.

 

TO might not last til your 2nd pick, but do you really trust TO to produce enough stats to justify a 1st round pick? IMO- TO isn't exactly money in the bank. I always want to see a player play a full year with solid stats before I'm willing to risk a 1st or 2nd round pick. (ie: guys like K Jones and J Jones drafted last season on projected stats alone) Since this is TO's first year in Dallas AND the fact that TO missed a bunch of games last year, I'm a little nervous about him.

 

If I end up with that late pick, I'm almost certainly going RB-WR-WR.... given the fact that decent RBs like Dillon, Thomas, Taylor, Martin and Green can all be had in rounds 4-6.

[Texansfan 0]

You should be glad that was just a mock. That is one sorry ass squad....

[Phurfur 70]

Since this is TO's first year in Dallas AND the fact that TO missed a bunch of games last year, I'm a little nervous about him.

 

And you have reason to be concerned, TO has only played one (2001) 16 game season since 1999. He usually misses time at the end of the year or FF playoff time. Anyone else would be called injury prone.

[texasmouth 1]

I understand your reasoning for wanting to go WR-WR this year with the 9th pick. Those late 1st round RBs don't look very reliable. I'm nervous that I might end up in that predicament as well. But, a couple of those late round RBs will pan out. It's just difficult trying to figure out which one's they are. But if you get it right, you'll be going to playoffs.

 

TO might not last til your 2nd pick, but do you really trust TO to produce enough stats to justify a 1st round pick? IMO- TO isn't exactly money in the bank. I always want to see a player play a full year with solid stats before I'm willing to risk a 1st or 2nd round pick. (ie: guys like K Jones and J Jones drafted last season on projected stats alone) Since this is TO's first year in Dallas AND the fact that TO missed a bunch of games last year, I'm a little nervous about him.

 

If I end up with that late pick, I'm almost certainly going RB-WR-WR.... given the fact that decent RBs like Dillon, Thomas, Taylor, Martin and Green can all be had in rounds 4-6.

TO worries me a little but so do every one of the top WR, all of them have some ????. Steve Smith was so good last season but he had no running game and no #2 receiver. Will he be able to do it again this season with strong RB corp and a solid #2 guy? Might make him better....... I will probably take Smith #1, I have done it a lot and I get a solid team around him when i do that.

 

You should be glad that was just a mock. That is one sorry ass squad....

Pretty narrow minded mornonic response. Way to back it up with some facts.

 

Dunn finished in the top ten in most RB categories.

[listen2me 23 1,972]

Yeah I guess you guys didnt like this strategy the only thing I was thinking was if I grab all those Rb's over a wr2 and they pan out then I could trade them for a better WR. The only thing I had a problem with this mock was my WR2

 

Dunn and T.Bell aren't that bad though I took Smith first becuase the other backs that were available were Mcgahee and Dom. Davis which I just dont have faith in right now come mini camps and preseason maybe my tune will change

 

I dont understand why peopel do this....draft a whole bunch of something and hope 1 pans out....HOPE...

 

then try and trade them for what you skiped on drafting in the 1st place...

 

draft who you want.....don't bank on players panning out or you being able to get a fair trade out of it...

[Meglamaniac 821]

TO worries me a little but so do every one of the top WR, all of them have some ????. Steve Smith was so good last season but he had no running game and no #2 receiver. Will he be able to do it again this season with strong RB corp and a solid #2 guy? Might make him better....... I will probably take Smith #1, I have done it a lot and I get a solid team around him when i do that.

Pretty narrow minded mornonic response. Way to back it up with some facts.

 

Dunn finished in the top ten in most RB categories.

Just to note a couple of things.

1. Dunn is no longer considered a Rec RB, since he came to ATl he is running RB. Last year there were 30 RBs with more rec and 29 with more rec yards.

 

2. While the #19 rush offense is not great, it is by no means non-exisitend and the fact that Smith now has a legit #2 on the field helps him rather than hurting him.

[texasmouth 1]

Just to note a couple of things.

1. Dunn is no longer considered a Rec RB, since he came to ATl he is running RB. Last year there were 30 RBs with more rec and 29 with more rec yards.

 

2. While the #19 rush offense is not great, it is by no means non-exisitend and the fact that Smith now has a legit #2 on the field helps him rather than hurting him.

Whatever, #19th in rushing is a little misleading considering the swapping of Stephen Davis and Deshaun Foster. They may have had some nice games mixed in but they were by no stretch of the imagination "consistent."

 

Dunn may no longer be as big of a receiving threat but he is pretty consistent as far as rushing goes and when you are drafting a stud WR first, grabbing a guy like Dunn will still keep your team competitive. 1400+ yards rushing is pretty solid. I think Mike Vick's struggles with the new offense last season are a big reason why DUnn was losing some touches as well. I am not going to sit here and argue that Dunn is a top ten back, I dont think that he is but grabbing him in the fourth is a pretty solid value if you have a good #1 and two good WR ahead of him.

[Meglamaniac 821]

Whatever, #19th in rushing is a little misleading considering the swapping of Stephen Davis and Deshaun Foster. They may have had some nice games mixed in but they were by no stretch of the imagination "consistent."

 

Dunn may no longer be as big of a receiving threat but he is pretty consistent as far as rushing goes and when you are drafting a stud WR first, grabbing a guy like Dunn will still keep your team competitive. 1400+ yards rushing is pretty solid. I think Mike Vick's struggles with the new offense last season are a big reason why DUnn was losing some touches as well. I am not going to sit here and argue that Dunn is a top ten back, I dont think that he is but grabbing him in the fourth is a pretty solid value if you have a good #1 and two good WR ahead of him.

A little defensive there are'nt we

Fact is the Carolina Running game was bad on only 5 occasions.

WK1 141 and 1 TD

WK2 104 and 3TDs

WK3 61 and 0

WK4 90 and 2

WK5 87 and 1

WK6 54 and0

WK7 111 and 2

WK8 77 and 2

WK9 101 and 1

WK10 54 and 0

WK11 113 and 0

WK12 142 and 1

WK13 82 and 0

WK14 161 and 2

WK15 71 and 0

WK16 230 and 2

 

As for Dunn I wasn't disputing the fact that he was a nice selection in the 4th, just that he was not a Rec RB as you implied in the above post.

[texasmouth 1]

A little defensive there are'nt we

Fact is the Carolina Running game was bad on only 5 occasions.

 

As for Dunn I wasn't disputing the fact that he was a nice selection in the 4th, just that he was not a Rec RB as you implied in the above post.

No, not defensive at all.

 

I guess they werent' horrible, I guess I was talking more in terms of fantasy rushing, not one person did all that on those big days. Foster or Davis. Again, I am just trying to get someone to talk me out of drafting Steve Smith because he scares me.

 

Yeah, I guess I didn't realize what a drastic drop off Dunn has had the past few seasons, last time I drafted him was when he had 50+ receptions if I remmember correctly, hadnt paid as close of attention lately.

[Meglamaniac 821]

No, not defensive at all.

 

I guess they werent' horrible, I guess I was talking more in terms of fantasy rushing, not one person did all that on those big days. Foster or Davis. Again, I am just trying to get someone to talk me out of drafting Steve Smith because he scares me.

 

Yeah, I guess I didn't realize what a drastic drop off Dunn has had the past few seasons, last time I drafted him was when he had 50+ receptions if I remmember correctly, hadnt paid as close of attention lately.

If he is there late RD1 or early RD2 and the right players are off the board I won't hesitate to draft him.

 

Yea, since getting to ALT Dunn's rec numbers have declined every year, in a PPR league giving 1 per 10 and 6 for Tds

03- 37 rec, 330 yrds and 2 rec TDs= 82 points of rec

04-29 rec, 293 yrds and 0 rec TDs= 58

05- 29 rec, 220 yrds and 1 Rec= 57

[norseman 0]

Why would you want to map out a strategy that involves taking a particular position in EVERY round and NEVER takes into account BPA? And even if you went back to your original strategy, why would you want to wait until Round 5 to take the BPA? I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me.

 

IMHO, you're doing things backasswards. You should start out taking the BPA in the early rounds (at LEAST) and then go after position needs later on. This is even more important in the 12th spot than it would be if you had a higher pick, because the quality of the available players drops so quickly.

 

HTH

[jgcrawfish 232]

I'm sorry, I gotta disagree. If you're sitting in the 12 hole, you gotta come out w/ a WR/RB combo. And just because Steve Smith has the lowest ADP doesn't necessarily make him the best WR. It's all subjective. TO is a monster when healthy, everybody remembers him getting suspended but does anybody remember what he was doing to the league before the suspension? He was eating defenses up at a pace faster than Smith. Take the player who's gonna get you the most points. Besides, your draft day success starts after about round 5, that's when seasons are won and lost.

[Greedo 13]

I would think in most leagues you'd be lucky to get Dunn at 3.12. While he's undervalued every year on most lists, in our league people know better - I'd be surprised if he lasts to round 3.

[texasmouth 1]

Well, let me make two points here,

 

1st, there is no right or wrong draft strategy. Some guys have come up with the strangest draft strategies and won in their leagues, this is mostly a crap shoot. Who knows which WR is going to be this years Steve Smith or this years Andre Johnsons. Who knows who is going the be this years Santana Moss or Joey Galloway, or even this years Terry Glenn for that matter. Chester Taylor could be this years Lamont Jordan or he could be the next Kevan Barlow. Point is, you have to hope to get lucky on a pick or two and even if your draft looks awesome on paper, it may not turn out to be.

 

So, everyone of you on here slamming Wabo for his draft strategy, it was a mock draft, he was testing out a theory. Of course he is going to take BPA in to account because if Larry Johnson slips to the 5th pick, of course you wont pass on him to take someone you had on your cheat sheet. And, yes, I know people who go into a draft and have a set order they want to pick in. You can take ADP and throw it out the window. It is worthless. Everything is based of of hopes and dreams and last years numbers.

 

Keep in mind that this is 2006, the majority of people on this site have been playing fantasy football for at a minimum 4-5 years. Everyone on here, with some exceptions, knows what they are doing. Very few people here know that much more than anyone else so when you are voicing your opinion about someones draft or a theory they have, keep that in mind, just because it differs from your opinion, it doesnt mean they are stupid or "don't know anything about football" and yes, for you other douche bags everyone on this site DOES WATCH FOOTBALL. (The most tired response I have heard.)

 

2nd, Warrick Dunn could still be around late in the third and here is why, I have found that there is still a lot of RB stud theorist out there, so what does that mean? All of them are drafting WR in the third round and fourth round. This ultimately means some RB will slip down becuase only a few guys will be drafting RB. So getting Warrick late in the third isnt so unreasonable.

[CHASEingTAYLOR 0]

Well, let me make two points here,

 

1st, there is no right or wrong draft strategy. Some guys have come up with the strangest draft strategies and won in their leagues, this is mostly a crap shoot. Who knows which WR is going to be this years Steve Smith or this years Andre Johnsons. Who knows who is going the be this years Santana Moss or Joey Galloway, or even this years Terry Glenn for that matter. Chester Taylor could be this years Lamont Jordan or he could be the next Kevan Barlow. Point is, you have to hope to get lucky on a pick or two and even if your draft looks awesome on paper, it may not turn out to be.

 

So, everyone of you on here slamming Wabo for his draft strategy, it was a mock draft, he was testing out a theory. Of course he is going to take BPA in to account because if Larry Johnson slips to the 5th pick, of course you wont pass on him to take someone you had on your cheat sheet. And, yes, I know people who go into a draft and have a set order they want to pick in. You can take ADP and throw it out the window. It is worthless. Everything is based of of hopes and dreams and last years numbers.

 

Keep in mind that this is 2006, the majority of people on this site have been playing fantasy football for at a minimum 4-5 years. Everyone on here, with some exceptions, knows what they are doing. Very few people here know that much more than anyone else so when you are voicing your opinion about someones draft or a theory they have, keep that in mind, just because it differs from your opinion, it doesnt mean they are stupid or "don't know anything about football" and yes, for you other douche bags everyone on this site DOES WATCH FOOTBALL. (The most tired response I have heard.)

 

2nd, Warrick Dunn could still be around late in the third and here is why, I have found that there is still a lot of RB stud theorist out there, so what does that mean? All of them are drafting WR in the third round and fourth round. This ultimately means some RB will slip down becuase only a few guys will be drafting RB. So getting Warrick late in the third isnt so unreasonable.

 

Well said 'Mouth!!

 

[TD Ryan2 316]

Guys I drafted in the 12th hole in a redraft mock

 

I usually go WR,Rb,RB,WR, then BPA

but this time I went WR,RB,Rb,RB,RB,QB,WR,TE,WR, etc. tell me what you think, your feedback helps a lot

 

waboritas

POS Player Name Team Pick Bye

 

QB Tom Brady NEP 6.01 6

QB David Carr HOU 12.01 5

RB Brian Westbrook PHI 2.01 9

RB Warrick Dunn ATL 3.12 5

RB Tatum Bell DEN 4.01 4

RB Deuce McAllister NOS 5.12 7

WR Steve Smith CAR 1.12 9

WR Lee Evans BUF 7.12 8

WR Ernest Wilford JAC 9.12 6

WR Mark Clayton BAL 11.12 7

TE Chris Cooley WAS 8.01 8

TE Ben Troupe TEN 13.12 7

PK Mike Vanderjagt DAL 14.01 3

DT Chicago Bears CHI 10.01 7

 

is it PPR scoring?

do you start 2 or 3 WRs?

 

 

if it is a PPR, I like your RBs... Westy is a legit #1 RB in a PPR scoring system. The combo of Dunn, Bell, Deuce should provide you with a decent #2 and depth.

 

Your WRs are a bit thin. We can argue all day about projections for SSmith but the fact is he's a legit #1.

It's Wilford, Clayton, and Lee Evans that I don't like. I'm not sure you have a legit #2 and if this is a start 3WR format, you're in tough shape. Still, If you're gonna' be thin anywhere after a draft, WR depth is preferable. You'll find WR on the waiver wire easier than any other position.

 

Love the CHI D. Really, with their schedule, there's no reason to doubt that they can fininsh #1 overall fantasy D again.

 

Cooley/Troupe are solid TEs. Troupe gives you some nice potential/upside.

 

Brady is consistent. Not spectacular (fantasy wise) but reliable and consistent. Nothing wrong with that pick.

 

 

Overall

if this is a non-PPR, start 3WR: a little shaky, but managable with some decent moves/pickups.

if this is a PPR, start 2 WR: good draft.

 

also, to your draft "strategy" (i.e. earmark each round for a set position)