Perennial Contender 18 Posted September 19, 2006 Figured I would get it started. More like 13-10. Vikes are by far a different team now under Childress. The loss of Erasmus James hurts big time. But I think Grossman comes back down to earth in this one in the loud & intimidating Metrodome. Defensive old school black & blue division war. 13-10 Vikes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted September 19, 2006 I do not see the Vikes pulling this one off. No matter where it is played. Offensively they are moving the ball...just not punching it in the endzone...not a great combo when playing a defense like Chicago. They needed a fake FG to get the TD against Carolina. The line is run blocking pretty well...but gave up 5 sacks to Carolina...I think Brad may be running for his life this weekend. Though I do see Grossman coming back down to earth a bit. I look for the Bears to pound the ball a bit more this weekend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mozzy84 0 Posted September 19, 2006 very interrested to see how the vikes o-line holds up against the bears pass rush and blitzes. They have allready faced two very good defenses and came out with the win, no different this week. Grossman will get rattled (or injured ) and give up a couple picks, one for a score, 20-13 vikes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PackYourNut 47 Posted September 19, 2006 I do not see the Vikes pulling this one off.No matter where it is played. Offensively they are moving the ball...just not punching it in the endzone...not a great combo when playing a defense like Chicago. They needed a fake FG to get the TD against Carolina. The line is run blocking pretty well...but gave up 5 sacks to Carolina...I think Brad may be running for his life this weekend. Though I do see Grossman coming back down to earth a bit. I look for the Bears to pound the ball a bit more this weekend. I would tend to agree with this... I think you will see 30-40 runs this week from Chicago and less then 20 passes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sharkie22 0 Posted September 19, 2006 I like the intensity the Vikes are playing with but that will get them only so far. Now they are playing against a team that will bring an offense with them and a tougher team defensively than what they've faced so far. I doubt Minny benefits from a game winning field goal in this one. Bears by two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perennial Contender 18 Posted September 19, 2006 For the Bears I think it comes down to Grossman. If he can stay composed bears win. If he looks like a deer in headlights (which happens to many a QB in the dome and has happened to him in the past) then Vikes win a close one. For the Vikes, The O must score at least one TD. Hell this could be a 9-6 final. I wouldn't want (and don't) have any fantasy players going in this one, except the Def's and maybe the K's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Black Label Society Posted September 19, 2006 Field goal fest 06. This game will likely end up 17-13. If the VIkes offensive line can get their act together, they WILL be able to run the ball on Chicago. Taylor has had decent games against 2 very tough run defenses. Losing James on the d line hurts, but Darion Scott has been a nice surprise at DE, and I think will hold his own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perennial Contender 18 Posted September 19, 2006 I like the intensity the Vikes are playing with but that will get them only so far. Now they are playing against a team that will bring an offense with them and a tougher team defensively than what they've faced so far. I doubt Minny benefits from a game winning field goal in this one. Bears by two. I don't consider the Bears O any better than Wash or Carolina. I will admit the Vikes caught a break with Portis being slowed (though he played) and SSmith being out. And Wash D at home is pretty good. Car D is on a par w/Chicago. The Bears have played freaking GB & Det. And the Vikings D is still underated. Should be an old school defensive war, much like last nights Jax-Pitt Game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted September 19, 2006 Field goal fest 06. This game will likely end up 17-13. If the VIkes offensive line can get their act together, they WILL be able to run the ball on Chicago. Taylor has had decent games against 2 very tough run defenses. Losing James on the d line hurts, but Darion Scott has been a nice surprise at DE, and I think will hold his own. Carolina is hardly a good run defense right now. Giving close 200 per game on the ground...and Washington giving up over 100...skewed higher because of Dallas putting up 138 on them. But Taylor has looked good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norseman 0 Posted September 19, 2006 This is a tough call. The Bears have looked extremely good, but against two weak teams. The Vikings have eked out two victories against better teams. The Vikings are at home, and the Bears could be overconfident after two easy victories. On the other hand, the Bears may well be brimming with confidence, too. I'm a Vikings fan, so I hope I'm wrong, but I'd have to give the edge to da Bears in a close, low-scoring game. I'll say Bears 17, Vikings 13. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrJ 0 Posted September 19, 2006 If he looks like a deer in headlights (which happens to many a QB in the dome and has happened to him in the past) then Vikes win a close one. Rex has one career game in the dome, and he was 21 of 31 for 248 yards with a rushing TD. And either way, I don't know that the game necessarily comes down to Grossman. If the Bears D plays like they are capable of, Grossman doesn't need to do a heck of a lot. This is the same team that won 10 game with Kyle Orton at QB. If Grossman plays like the Grossman of last year, this is a close one with the Bears having an edge because they have the best single unit out of either team in their defense. If he plays like the Grossman so far this year, the Vikes stand no chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EvilNuff 0 Posted September 19, 2006 Chicago has played two very, very weak teams. Their O has victimized a pair of outmatched Defenses. This week we will see what their Offense is really made of. I honestly do not know who I think will win but I wouldn't be surprised to see yet another FG game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted September 19, 2006 I remember when Mike Tyson faced Michael Spinks......this is sorta how I view Chicago facing Minnesota.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Goomy Noomy Roo 50 Posted September 19, 2006 I am hoping that you're right Run Chester RUN!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreadlocks34 0 Posted September 19, 2006 Now they are playing against a team that will bring an offense with them The Bears have faced the Lions and Packers so far. I don't think you can quite say that yet about the Bears. The line is run blocking pretty well...but gave up 5 sacks to Carolina...I think Brad may be running for his life this weekend. This is true but I will add that as great as the Bear defense is they do not have a pass rusher as gifted as Peppers is. One of the few mistakes the Vikings made Sunday was letting Marcus Johnson handle Peppers alone at times. There is just no contest in that battle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USGrant 0 Posted September 19, 2006 I'd say the Vikes get exposed for the weak team they are this weekend. They have an intelligent but ssslllooowww qb. That spells trouble against an aggressive, fast Bears D. Their O-line/ running game is suspect (Sorry viqueeners but the Redskins have been proven to be much weaker than preseason pundits thought they were so I would say their performance against Carolina is more of an indicator of their offensive prowess). Defensively, they are better than anticipated. But they have played two very poor offensive teams and have looked suspect against the run. I'd say this week spells doom. Bears 28-6. Ps. Do you viqueen fans think you'll need to cheat by cranking up the audio system in the Dome to keep the noise levels up? Talk about a no class organization. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sweetness_34 0 Posted September 19, 2006 Will be close and unless the Bears turn the ball over more than the Vikings, I do not see how the Vikings win. Both of the Bears wins have been domination on all 3 facets of the game. Vikings have been squeeking wins out on plays that they will not be lucky to make every time. It will be a classic NFC North game. But if I had to bet my mortgage on this game, I go with Da Bears. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreadlocks34 0 Posted September 19, 2006 I'd say the Vikes get exposed for the weak team they are this weekend. They have an intelligent but ssslllooowww qb. That spells trouble against an aggressive, fast Bears D. Their O-line/ running game is suspect (Sorry viqueeners but the Redskins have been proven to be much weaker than preseason pundits thought they were so I would say their performance against Carolina is more of an indicator of their offensive prowess). Defensively, they are better than anticipated. But they have played two very poor offensive teams and have looked suspect against the run. I'd say this week spells doom. Bears 28-6. Ps. Do you viqueen fans think you'll need to cheat by cranking up the audio system in the Dome to keep the noise levels up? Talk about a no class organization. This sounds like a very well thought out and unbiased opinion of the game. Kudos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USGrant 0 Posted September 19, 2006 This sounds like a very well thought out and unbiased opinion of the game. Kudos. lol, I'm completely biased. Otherwise everything you said was true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nomad99 744 Posted September 19, 2006 Is this the week Jones goes for over 100 & a score & puts a fork in Benson?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmartassBoiler 0 Posted September 19, 2006 I expect a quality, hard fought game, but I think Chicago pulls away towards the end. Chicago is definitely better than the banged up Carolina team they barely beat last week. What I want to see is the Chicago running attack getting back on track. So far neither Jones or Benson has been that impressive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdoll 0 Posted September 19, 2006 The Bears haven't run the ball well, that's true. That's due to the fact that both the Pack and the Lions were focused on stopping the run and daring the Bears to beat them with the pass. So, that's what the Bears did. Time for the Vikings to choose their poison. Focus on stopping the run and the Bears will do to them what was just done to the Lions. Keep the safeties back to help with pass protection and then the Bears running game will be revving up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perennial Contender 18 Posted September 20, 2006 Too funny. Some of ya'all act as if the Bears were the next coming of The Colts on Offense. Anyone who thinks Det & GB are on a par w/ Wash (in Wash) and Carolina, are, well......just plain ignorant. This just in. GB may be the worst team in the NFL. Their D is horrendous. And Det is not far behind. Guess we'll see just how good either of these teams really are. Vikes are and always have been very very tough to beat at home. Even when they sucked they were tough at home. Should be a defensive battle IMO. And the pruple have a very good chance at pulling off the upset. 17-13 Vikes. Grossman will get picked at least twice if not 3 times and revert back to the real Rex Grossman. Hell the whole town of Chicago was calling for his head during the pre-season. How soon we forget all the Griese talk. If the Vikes win, Chicago fans will really resent Minnesota teams and fans. (see White Sox 2006). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NatronIsMean 0 Posted September 20, 2006 Too funny. Some of ya'all act as if the Bears were the next coming of The Colts on Offense. Anyone who thinks Det & GB are on a par w/ Wash (in Wash) and Carolina, are, well......just plain ignorant. This just in. GB may be the worst team in the NFL. Their D is horrendous. And Det is not far behind. Guess we'll see just how good either of these teams really are. Vikes are and always have been very very tough to beat at home. Even when they sucked they were tough at home. Should be a defensive battle IMO. And the pruple have a very good chance at pulling off the upset. 17-13 Vikes. Grossman will get picked at least twice if not 3 times and revert back to the real Rex Grossman. Hell the whole town of Chicago was calling for his head during the pre-season. How soon we forget all the Griese talk. If the Vikes win, Chicago fans will really resent Minnesota teams and fans. (see White Sox 2006). I honestly cannot believe the bluster and bravado coming from Vikings fans here. Regardless of whether or not the Panthers and Redskins are better teams, they aren't head and shoulders better. We're talking about a 0-2 and 1-1 team that looked mediocre at best in their other game. And the Vikes SQUEAKED by both. The Bears obliterated both of their opponents thus far. Hard to compare, but also very hard to imagine the Vikings beating the Bears on what we all have seen of both to date. I'll be surprised if the Vikes win more than one facet of the game (off, def, st), and think that the Vikes offense will be largely owned. Bears 24-13. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted September 20, 2006 Too funny. Some of ya'all act as if the Bears were the next coming of The Colts on Offense. Anyone who thinks Det & GB are on a par w/ Wash (in Wash) and Carolina, are, well......just plain ignorant. This just in. GB may be the worst team in the NFL. Their D is horrendous. And Det is not far behind. Guess we'll see just how good either of these teams really are. Vikes are and always have been very very tough to beat at home. Even when they sucked they were tough at home. Should be a defensive battle IMO. And the pruple have a very good chance at pulling off the upset. 17-13 Vikes. Grossman will get picked at least twice if not 3 times and revert back to the real Rex Grossman. Hell the whole town of Chicago was calling for his head during the pre-season. How soon we forget all the Griese talk. If the Vikes win, Chicago fans will really resent Minnesota teams and fans. (see White Sox 2006). I do not think anyone is thinking that they are the 2nd coming of the Colts. And while GB and Det are not on par with Washington or Carolina's defense...ummm...the Vikings have not exactly lit up the scoreboard on them. And it was Washington with a very limited Portis who is 0-2 and looking terrible. And Carolina with Smith looking terrible as well. Carolina is giving up almost 200 yards per game on the ground and Washington giving up over 100 as well. GB may be the worst team...I disagree...but they may be. Det while bad...held Seattle (a Super Bowl team better than Carolina and Washington) to 9 points. Grossman will get picked off how many times? From a team that has a total of 0 INTs? The Vikings defense has yet to be tested...and now without James they are a bit weaker. I honestly cannot believe the bluster and bravado coming from Vikings fans here. Regardless of whether or not the Panthers and Redskins are better teams, they aren't head and shoulders better. We're talking about a 0-2 and 1-1 team that looked mediocre at best in their other game. And the Vikes SQUEAKED by both. The Bears obliterated both of their opponents thus far. Hard to compare, but also very hard to imagine the Vikings beating the Bears on what we all have seen of both to date. I'll be surprised if the Vikes win more than one facet of the game (off, def, st), and think that the Vikes offense will be largely owned. Bears 24-13. Actually...both of those teams are 0-2 and missing key portions of their offenses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Da Bomb 0 Posted September 20, 2006 i honestly think that the sort of team that can beat the bears is the one who can control the clock, use a power run game up the middle, play tough defense, and limit mistakes. and thats the exact team that childress has built in minnesota. its not the most talented team right now, but the team is good enough to stay in every game and believes it can win when it counts, and thats a deadly combo. the bears are going to be a very tough competition though, as they are simply a more complete team right now. one thing bothers me though, that no one else seems to notice. the bears have passed the ball well, but where is the run game? grossman isnt going to light up the minnesota secondary. if jones or benson cant get the ball moving, this offense is going to stall completely. ive seen both bears games this season and the run game has been nonexistent. if they cant get any semblance of a run game going, theyre not going to beat the vikes. i think this game will be tight down to the wire. i dont think the bears will be able to score much, but im not certain minnesota will be able to either. i dont think either team will be able to run away with it. minnesota 16, chicago 13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter34 3 Posted September 20, 2006 i honestly think that the sort of team that can beat the bears is the one who can control the clock, use a power run game up the middle, play tough defense, and limit mistakes. and thats the exact team that childress has built in minnesota. its not the most talented team right now, but the team is good enough to stay in every game and believes it can win when it counts, and thats a deadly combo. the bears are going to be a very tough competition though, as they are simply a more complete team right now. one thing bothers me though, that no one else seems to notice. the bears have passed the ball well, but where is the run game? grossman isnt going to light up the minnesota secondary. if jones or benson cant get the ball moving, this offense is going to stall completely. ive seen both bears games this season and the run game has been nonexistent. if they cant get any semblance of a run game going, theyre not going to beat the vikes. i think this game will be tight down to the wire. i dont think the bears will be able to score much, but im not certain minnesota will be able to either. i dont think either team will be able to run away with it. minnesota 16, chicago 13 Both GB and Det stacked against the run, so it was stalled. In doing so, they left the passing lanes open and for the first time in many years, the Bears are able to exploit this. The Bears O right now is better than Wash or Carolina (w/o Smith). They can score points on Minn as their D has some definate holes at LB still and with the loss of James. I would expect Chi to focus on Taylor and bring the pass rush to Johnson. Minn will have a tougher time scoring on Chi than the other way around. That said, home field is a factor and Brad is a cagey vet that will limit mistakes. Should be a battle in the trenches, but I give Chi an advantage on both sides. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mozzy84 0 Posted September 20, 2006 I honestly cannot believe the bluster and bravado coming from Vikings fans here. Regardless of whether or not the Panthers and Redskins are better teams, they aren't head and shoulders better. We're talking about a 0-2 and 1-1 team that looked mediocre at best in their other game. And the Vikes SQUEAKED by both. The Bears obliterated both of their opponents thus far. Hard to compare, but also very hard to imagine the Vikings beating the Bears on what we all have seen of both to date. I'll be surprised if the Vikes win more than one facet of the game (off, def, st), and think that the Vikes offense will be largely owned. Bears 24-13. you make it sound like chicago is favored by 10 points or something. And sorry but Washington and Carolina are and will be head and shoulders better green bay and detroit, those two teams will be in the bottom 5 teams when its all said and done. You do realize the vikes won there first two games under a totally new coaching staff, offensive and defensive systems, not to mention an oline that had one guy coming back that played here last year. The vikes are only going to get better as the year goes on, not worse. If chicago run game stinks again they could easily lose this game, grossman isn't going to pass for 4 td's against the vikes defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted September 20, 2006 you make it sound like chicago is favored by 10 points or something. And sorry but Washington and Carolina are and will be head and shoulders better green bay and detroit, those two teams will be in the bottom 5 teams when its all said and done. You do realize the vikes won there first two games under a totally new coaching staff, offensive and defensive systems, not to mention an oline that had one guy coming back that played here last year. The vikes are only going to get better as the year goes on, not worse. If chicago run game stinks again they could easily lose this game, grossman isn't going to pass for 4 td's against the vikes defense. Actually... McKinnie and Johnson both started last year...and Birk was only out because of injury. You all overestimate the Vikings defense because of two starts against teams missing some key pieces... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Black Label Society Posted September 20, 2006 I'll admit as a Vikes homer, that I'm a bit afraid we'll lose this game. Not a blowout, by any means, but I share some of the sentiments of the bears fans. Our offense needs to start clicking a bit better, or this will be a tough one to win. Darion Scott will likely replace James, and in all honesty, it;s not much of a falloff. Scott played exceptionally well last year when James was hurt. Plus the Williams boys will be stuffing the middle, so I wouldn't expect the Bears running game to be going wild. Our front 4 can really slow the run down by themselves (not stop....), which should keep the secondary free to cover the WR's. And as much as I hate to say this, the ONE thing Napolean Harris is good at.....is he can absolutely blanket TE's in passing situations. He tackles for crap, and has little feel for the game, but he cover big guys quite well. To me, that equates to pretty much a "3 yards and a cloud of rubber" type game, with an extremely low score. If I were betting, I'd say the over under had to be around 33, 34. And I'd STILL take the under with a decent amount of confidence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mozzy84 0 Posted September 20, 2006 Actually... McKinnie and Johnson both started last year...and Birk was only out because of injury.You all overestimate the Vikings defense because of two starts against teams missing some key pieces... say what you will about johnson he was moved all over the line last year, and weather birk was hurt last year or not he didn't play next to any of these guys. That line is going to only get better every game. Maybe I am overestimating there defense but the weak point the linebackers have played very well the first two games, not being out of position on every play like last year and they are finally getting some real nice play out of harris with some decent coaching. That moss for Harris and Williamson trade doesn't sting quite as much after watching the first two games this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted September 20, 2006 say what you will about johnson he was moved all over the line last year, and weather birk was hurt last year or not he didn't play next to any of these guys. That line is going to only get better every game. Maybe I am overestimating there defense but the weak point the linebackers have played very well the first two games, not being out of position on every play like last year and they are finally getting some real nice play out of harris with some decent coaching. That moss for Harris and Williamson trade doesn't sting quite as much after watching the first two games this year. Say what I want about him...he started 8 games last year...and Birk did not play next to these guys...but he is a pro bowl center...coming off of an injury yes...I warned that. And while they have run the ball well...they have not pass blocked the best either...and the Bears are pretty good on a pass rush. I think the line probably will improve. Though I do not think much of McKinnie and with Birk his best days are behind him and is now an injury risk. Does not sting too much? Harris is still weak...Williamson is ok and young but nowhere near what Moss could bring to this team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mozzy84 0 Posted September 20, 2006 Say what I want about him...he started 8 games last year...and Birk did not play next to these guys...but he is a pro bowl center...coming off of an injury yes...I warned that. And while they have run the ball well...they have not pass blocked the best either...and the Bears are pretty good on a pass rush. I think the line probably will improve. Though I do not think much of McKinnie and with Birk his best days are behind him and is now an injury risk. Does not sting too much? Harris is still weak...Williamson is ok and young but nowhere near what Moss could bring to this team. I like williamson and think he's going to end up being real good, moss has done nothing but get hurt the last two years. So yea it really doesnt sting to much right now. I bet you would think pretty highly of mckinnie and birk if they were plugged into that crappy line green bay has. Go back to your toilet bowl thread, we'll talk about our first and second place teams here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdoll 0 Posted September 20, 2006 Ok, Viqueen fans. If you're in a confidence pool, how many points are you putting on your team? I haven't made my picks yet but I'm definitely picking Da Bears and I know it won't be 1 point I put on them, more like a minimum of 6 based on the games for this week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CurleyQ 0 Posted September 20, 2006 As a Bears fan, I could see the Vikes, perhaps winning this game. However, to predict 34 points scored considering the Vikes' offense and the Bear's defense seems like quite a fishing expedition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted September 20, 2006 I like williamson and think he's going to end up being real good, moss has done nothing but get hurt the last two years. So yea it really doesnt sting to much right now. I bet you would think pretty highly of mckinnie and birk if they were plugged into that crappy line green bay has. Go back to your toilet bowl thread, we'll talk about our first and second place teams here. Because Moss would have just done the same thing in Minny right? He was hurt last year...fine so far this year. McKinnie would not come close to starting over Clifton or Tauscher. A healthy Birk I would take...no doubt...but would have to have depth behind him to make me feel good about it. 1st and 2nd place in the north...yipee...congrats...tell me what that gets you in September...hell...does not get you much later in the year either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goodwj 0 Posted September 20, 2006 Bears faced detroit and GB and killed them, both bad teams. i think the bears will be in more of a shock faing a defense that the vikes have and will not start off strong. the vikes have played two good defenses and carolina is a great defense in my opinion. having a coach with brains is helping minnesota alot. and our o line is still gellin like magellan. so i think it will be a close game, and vikes at home i have to give them the edge. vikings 20 bears 17 OT field goal to longwell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dont_Fook_Wit_me 0 Posted September 20, 2006 I don't consider the Bears O any better than Wash or Carolina. I will admit the Vikes caught a break with Portis being slowed (though he played) and SSmith being out. And Wash D at home is pretty good. Car D is on a par w/Chicago. The Bears have played freaking GB & Det. And the Vikings D is still underated. Should be an old school defensive war, much like last nights Jax-Pitt Game. You are insane if you think carolina's D is par with chicago, Chi-town has by far the best D in the nfl.......Belive it or not fellas the Vikes are a weak team too....i think are challange will come in the next week when we play seattle..... My pediction....27-6 chicago....Grossman will not repeat his last week proformance, but will throw for around 200 yards and 2 TD's...1 to Moose, and 1 to clark. 2 FG's By gould... and im predicting 1 Defensive/Special teams TD The vikes will be held to under 80 rushing yards and Brad will be picked 2 times... But this is just MY OPINION.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dont_Fook_Wit_me 0 Posted September 20, 2006 Bears faced detroit and GB and killed them, both bad teams. i think the bears will be in more of a shock faing a defense that the vikes have and will not start off strong. the vikes have played two good defenses and carolina is a great defense in my opinion. having a coach with brains is helping minnesota alot. and our o line is still gellin like magellan. so i think it will be a close game, and vikes at home i have to give them the edge. vikings 20 bears 17 OT field goal to longwell Carolina defense is good......but if u are to recall thebears have one of the better cornerbacks now...the bears o-line has improved by alot....and how come evryone jump off the gun and say's that GB and Detroit are bad teams after 2 losses, but cant say that the bears are a good team with too wins, coming into the season NO was sapouse to be one of the worst teams in the NFL and they 2-0.......The bears 0-line have improved alot, grossman has been having all day to throw.....and even when under pressure grossman throws better....and i know this for a fact, i live in chicago....i went to the training camps.....i watched grossman since he was a rookie, this kid is good.....he has 2 FLOOKE injurys and evryone looks down on him they will crush the vikes GO BEARS!. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites