Sick and tired of mike vick bashers...

[omarkal 0]

Lets just start by saying Mike vick has 870 rushing yards and 2 tds. Thats 9.2 yards per carry and would rank him top ten RB in the nfl with respect to yards. In cbs sportsline he is ranked 3rd with respect to fantasy points. Then add tds along with those rushing yards, 13 of them plus 2tds rushing, and we dont even need to count the passing yards.

Maybe its my league, where they allow 1 point for every 10 rushing yards and a bonus of 3 points for every 20 rushing yards.

lets see what u guys come up with?

BTW i am not a Vick owner.

[The Bag-O-Bones 5]

Sounds like ridiculous scoring if you ask me. 3 points bonus for every 20 yards rushing. Does your league give points for incomplete passes as well. All kidding aside, I still think Vick 's inconsistency has caused more losses for folks rather than wins.

[lickin_starfish 2,006]

Michael Vick has gotten me negative points three times this season. He sucks in fantasy football, and he is a thug loser in real life.

 

[Creeper 0]

He's also #1 with the Atlanta fans.

[BMoney 0]

he's 8th in our league..

 

we dont reward points for giving home fans the finger....

 

hes a fine FF qb at times..he can score points 1 way or the other...

 

some weeks, he can win you a game by himself....

 

but hes not even the best qb in his division...brees is...

 

u were OK touting addai..but u are missing the boat by saying that vick is great at a position he shouldnt be at...hes no randall cunningham...

 

what next? kordell stewart was a great qb because he did 1 yard sneaks all the time?....

 

vick is like a light switch..when hes on, he can light up a room..but once late dec arrives..its time to shut that light off...

 

hes no vince young either and never will be...

[omarkal 0]

Sounds like ridiculous scoring if you ask me. 3 points bonus for every 20 yards rushing. Does your league give points for incomplete passes as well. All kidding aside, I still think Vick 's inconsistency has caused more losses for folks rather than wins.

its cbs sportsline, so make whatever u want from it. Ok, lets take away the bonus points, he is still the MAN. Its like having a 3rd no2 RB every week. Hell, he is ony 20 yards less from tiki barber, who has 1 td this year. How about that one??

need some better arguments folks.

[nflocd 0]

Mike has him #1 this week:

http://www.fftoday.com/rankings/playerwkpr...&LeagueID=1

[omarkal 0]

he's 8th in our league..

 

we dont reward points for giving home fans the finger....

 

hes a fine FF qb at times..he can score points 1 way or the other...

 

some weeks, he can win you a game by himself....

 

but hes not even the best qb in his division...brees is...

 

u were OK touting addai..but u are missing the boat by saying that vick is great at a position he shouldnt be at...hes no randall cunningham...

 

what next? kordell stewart was a great qb because he did 1 yard sneaks all the time?....

 

vick is like a light switch..when hes on, he can light up a room..but once late dec arrives..its time to shut that light off...

 

hes no vince young either and never will be...

 

USELESS REPSONSE....if u want to worry about issues off the field, visit another thread. I am talking numbers and u have none to offer. NEXT...

[Laurence Maroney's Nuts 2]

Michael Vick is a better running back than Joseph Addai.

 

But seriously, 3 pt bonus every 20 yds rushing...

[Gepetto 1,454]

I traded Addai for Vick about week 4. He's been having great fantasy numbers every game. You can say he's inconsistent if you mean 17 fantasy points vs. 29 fantasy points. He's money. I don't see how anyone can bash Vick that watches him play (I mean every snap of an entire game).

 

There are few players in Vick's class; they are P. Manning, D. McNabb, C. Palmer, Tomlinson, LJ, Tiki, Shaun Alexander, Steve Smith, Torry Holt, Chad Johnson, and Marvin Harrison, and maybe Clinton Portis.

[omarkal 0]

Michael Vick has gotten me negative points three times this season. He sucks in fantasy football, and he is a thug loser in real life.

 

 

negative points?? not in my league, nothing but money with him. Maybe its just cbs sportsline?? 3rd overall rank in fantasy points in the entire nfl with respect to qbs, dont think u can get there with negative points.

[Phurfur 70]

What do you care if people bash him, it will make it easier for you to draft him late next year.

[Gepetto 1,454]

FYI: Kordell Stewart was terrible. Keep him out of the conversation. It's insulting.

 

That's like trying to compare Kevin Barlow to Larry Johnson.

[The Bag-O-Bones 5]

its cbs sportsline, so make whatever u want from it. Ok, lets take away the bonus points, he is still the MAN. Its like having a 3rd no2 RB every week. Hell, he is ony 20 yards less from tiki barber, who has 1 td this year. How about that one??

need some better arguments folks.

 

Read the "all kidding aside"

 

We also use cbs and he's the 8th ranked qb, overall he ranks low 20's. I guess it just depends how you score points in your league. I still prefer Brees with an 8th round pick over Vick any day.

[Brick Tamland 0]

Lets just start by saying Mike vick has 870 rushing yards and 2 tds. Thats 9.2 yards per carry and would rank him top ten RB in the nfl with respect to yards. In cbs sportsline he is ranked 3rd with respect to fantasy points. Then add tds along with those rushing yards, 13 of them plus 2tds rushing, and we dont even need to count the passing yards.

Maybe its my league, where they allow 1 point for every 10 rushing yards and a bonus of 3 points for every 20 rushing yards.

lets see what u guys come up with?

BTW i am not a Vick owner.

 

 

I don't think there is much negativity towards Vick as a fantasy baller. He has been on a decent streak as of late. The real negativity towards him has more to do with being a below average NFL quarterback.

 

Fantasy: Ron Mexico=Good

 

Real Life NFL: Ron Mexico=Bad

 

HTH

[omarkal 0]

Read the "all kidding aside"

 

We also use cbs and he's the 8th ranked qb, overall he ranks low 20's. I guess it just depends how you score points in your league. I still prefer Brees with an 8th round pick over Vick any day.

In that case i appologize. But if u are picking brees over vick, then right there and then u are saying he belongs in a certain category.

I am in a 12 team league, so even if he is ranked 8th year to date, he is still the MAN. Add the bonus points and he is no3, only 20 points away from the leader brees. Aint it cool, that peyton Manning is 5th with respect to points

[ccb123 0]

He's also #1 with the Atlanta fans.

 

Atl. fans must be thugs too. Vick is a great athlete who has herpes, not much of a QB, and most importantly a jacka$$.

[omarkal 0]

Atl. fans must be thugs too. Vick is a great athlete who has herpes, not much of a QB, and most importantly a jacka$$.

 

ha ha ha, still no one talking numbers, just personal issues with vick. Well, to those, i dont care cuz at the end of the day, i want numbers.

Are u kidding me? no one has anything better then this crap about him giving the crowd the birdie. yeah that will give me negative points like an Int.

[NewbieJr 541]

In fantasy, his running gives him some value. Granted, it's misleading value, kinda like Marion Barber, but points are points.

 

In real NFL football, Vick is the second best QB on his team. The Falcons never get better. They sign Peerless Price, Ashlie Lelie, John Abraham, ect....it doesn't matter. They are spinning their wheels, because no matter what moves they make, they will never be better than mediocre, because Vick is not improving.

 

They either need to play Schaub and take advantage of Vick's athletic ability by playing him at receiver.running back, or try to get some team to give them a third round pick for him and move on.

 

As it is, Atlanta is stuck with one of the NFL's poster boys, who just so happens to be unable to figure out the NFL game.

[king41 0]

Why don't U suck him off while your at it??

 

He sucks as a FF QB...It's not, well it's CBS, it's how your dumb azz commish set up the league scoring...I mean 3 points bonus for 20 yards!!!! WTF is that!? Looks like your league also gives bonus points for starting threads of which FF QB you would like to have a homoerotic experience with....Good luck with that....

[NorthernVike 2,096]

its cbs sportsline, so make whatever u want from it. Ok, lets take away the bonus points, he is still the MAN. Its like having a 3rd no2 RB every week. Hell, he is ony 20 yards less from tiki barber, who has 1 td this year. How about that one??

need some better arguments folks.

 

 

First off I do not want a 3rd running back. I want a QB along with my #1 RB to be the base of my FF team. You need consistency out of your QB not two or three monster games and a dozen pisspoor ones. Yes Vick is rated high in many leagues but its from just a few games. The QB possition needs to be one you can count on 90% of the time to win your league and Vick is not that QB. Yes I have him in one league and I was lucky enough to get Romo off ww when he took over so I have not had to use Vick.

[omarkal 0]

In fantasy, his running gives him some value. Granted, it's misleading value, kinda like Marion Barber, but points are points.

 

In real NFL football, Vick is the second best QB on his team. The Falcons never get better. They sign Peerless Price, Ashlie Lelie, John Abraham, ect....it doesn't matter. They are spinning their wheels, because no matter what moves they make, they will never be better than mediocre, because Vick is not improving.

 

They either need to play Schaub and take advantage of Vick's athletic ability by playing him at receiver.running back, or try to get some team to give them a third round pick for him and move on.

 

As it is, Atlanta is stuck with one of the NFL's poster boys, who just so happens to be unable to figure out the NFL game.

newbie jr, would never disagree with u, cuz i respect u opinion. In this case u are correct also, its the points that matter, and to me and any fantasy player thats what matters. I agree every player has personal issues, like TO, but people still draft him and play him and are very happy when he performs. I never said he is a GREAT qb, all i am saying is that the points he brings to the table with his rushing yards make him a top ten qb every year. In our league with those bonus points, make him even more valuable.

 

Why don't U suck him off while your at it??

 

He sucks as a FF QB...It's not, well it's CBS, it's how your dumb azz commish set up the league scoring...I mean 3 points bonus for 20 yards!!!! WTF is that!? Looks like your league also gives bonus points for starting threads of which FF QB you would like to have a homoerotic experience with....Good luck with that....

 

Wow, lot of anger in that response. Are u sure u and vick werent lovers? calm down and read what has been said pal. No need to freak out bro, we talking fantasy points, and not qb rating etc. Fantasy point wise even if u take away the 3 bonus points, he is still way up there.

 

 

First off I do not want a 3rd running back. I want a QB along with my #1 RB to be the base of my FF team. You need consistency out of your QB not two or three monster games and a dozen pisspoor ones. Yes Vick is rated high in many leagues but its from just a few games. The QB possition needs to be one you can count on 90% of the time to win your league and Vick is not that QB. Yes I have him in one league and I was lucky enough to get Romo off ww when he took over so I have not had to use Vick.

 

Do u want the best fantasy points or do u want the best qb? i want the best fantasy points period. We can start a whole another conversation about positions etc with Colston listed as the best TE EVER yet he is a wr, and still very good wr but would u be pissed if they changed his designation from TE to WR? Points will remain the same bro. At the end of the day its all about the points.

[NorthernVike 2,096]

Do you play "total points for the year"or "head to head each week"?

 

 

If its total points there is not much of an argument but head to head I'll pass on Mr Mexico

[omarkal 0]

Do you play "total points for the year"or "head to head each week"?

If its total points there is not much of an argument but head to head I'll pass on Mr Mexico

 

not sure what u mean by "total points for the year"? All i know he is avg 23 points per game in our league. BTW, i know people are complaining about the bonus points, but we DONT get any points for receptions. not sure if that changes anything.

[harrinjj22 0]

I will agree Vick is a special talent, but the only reason why he ranks so high in your league is because you give 3pts for every 20yrds rushing. That is insane! Of course he ranks high compared to the other QBs.....there is not anyone close when it comes to Vick's running ability. And the only reason why he is averaging 9.2 yards per carry is because he is a QB who can run. When he drops back, the defense spreads out and when you have Vick's running ability, you will get 10-20 yards almost everytime you run. Lets not start comparing him to other RB's in the league, because if they were QB's, they would average the same thing. Imaging what Barry Sanders would of average if he was a QB.

The fact is, in a NORMAL league, he is not a "great" fantasy QB.

[Da_Bears 14]

In my league scoring, he is only 20 pts behind P Manning and sitting as the 3rd best QB. I project one of his best games of the season after all this crap this past week:

 

320 passing 3 TD (2 to Jenkins and 1 to Crumpler), 110 rushing 1 TD

 

Then he will really tell the fans to go F@#ck themselves.

[northernsong 0]

I'm in a standard scoring league (1pt/10 yds rushing or 25 yds receiving and 6 pts per touchdown). Vick has 224 on the season, an average of 20.36 pts, which look very good. But he scored 68 of those points in two games. Throw out those two games and he's averaging 17.3, only slightly more than Philip Rivers.

 

So over the course of this season, Vick's only been a difference maker for his fantasy owners twice and totally average otherwise. That doesn't mean he sucks, but it doesn't mean he's great either.

 

I felt pretty good about Vick a couple weeks ago when he played Baltimore because I watched V. Young have some success against that D and figured if Young was having success, then Vick would be all over them. Joke was on me I guess.

 

I'm not a Vick hater, I think he would do well in the right system with the right coach, but something is off with him. I think he lacks the leadership and probably the maturity. Look at how Young commands his team. Vick doesn't do that. Vick's demeanor reminds me of Eli's, no fire, WR drops a pass, oh well. I know QB's can't catch the balls they throw, but they can motivate the players around them to perform at a higher level. That's what leaders do. It doesn't help that Mora also sucks as a leader and as a coach. Vick was running all over the Saints in the first half last week. The Saints adjusted and that was it. The Falcons were finished and never adjusted to the Saint's adjustments.

 

So given all that, I expect Vick to play out the year like he's played most of it so far, at a very average level. Maybe he'll go off one more game but no more. And maybe he'll get a fresh start next year and make good, but that's not helping me right now.

[omarkal 0]

I will agree Vick is a special talent, but the only reason why he ranks so high in your league is because you give 3pts for every 20yrds rushing. That is insane! Of course he ranks high compared to the other QBs.....there is not anyone close when it comes to Vick's running ability. And the only reason why he is averaging 9.2 yards per carry is because he is a QB who can run. When he drops back, the defense spreads out and when you have Vick's running ability, you will get 10-20 yards almost everytime you run. Lets not start comparing him to other RB's in the league, because if they were QB's, they would average the same thing. Imaging what Barry Sanders would of average if he was a QB.

The fact is, in a NORMAL league, he is not a "great" fantasy QB.

 

Take away the bonus points, and u got a qb that is 20 points short of tiki barber yardage. Only diff is tiki has 1 td and vick has 15. Oh, and then there are the passing yards, that we can just throw away. Still the MAN.

What do i need to do to get a negative response worth of an ARGUMENT.

All year, soo many trash talking about mike vick this and that, NOW IS YOUR TIME, COME OUT AND FIRE.

At the same time DUCK, CUZ U WILL BE FIRED BACK AT.

[parrot 789]

As quarterbacks go, Vick is one hell of a running back.

[mobb_deep 920]

Take away the bonus points, and u got a qb that is 20 points short of tiki barber yardage. Only diff is tiki has 1 td and vick has 15. Oh, and then there are the passing yards, that we can just throw away. Still the MAN.

What do i need to do to get a negative response worth of an ARGUMENT.

All year, soo many trash talking about mike vick this and that, NOW IS YOUR TIME, COME OUT AND FIRE.

At the same time DUCK, CUZ U WILL BE FIRED BACK AT.

 

 

You keep comparing Mike Vick to running backs but what you fail to recognize is Mike Vick is a QUARTERBACK. If Mike Vick can be played as an RB in your stupid league then you're 100% correct, "he's the MAN". As far as FF (and NFL) QB's go he's average at best (except in leagues with retarded scoring like yours ofcourse).

 

[omarkal 0]

As quarterbacks go, Vick is one hell of a running back.

 

so do u agree that points matter more then personal issues with players in fantasy?

in that case vick is better the Peyton M, got 10 more fantasy points then him this year and only 3 points behind brees

[DeaLerZ 0]

In my league scoring, he is only 20 pts behind P Manning and sitting as the 3rd best QB. I project one of his best games of the season after all this crap this past week:

 

320 passing 3 TD (2 to Jenkins and 1 to Crumpler), 110 rushing 1 TD

 

Then he will really tell the fans to go F@#ck themselves.

 

 

Vick is a solid play at Qb in fantasy football every week because he is going to get you atleast 50 yards rushing any given week, plus atleast 100 yds passing, with a little more than a td avg per game... so the worst he can do is still above 0 points because he gets those rushing yards, which is better than i can say for guys like Grossman, Plummer who have had horrid games where they've killed my fantasy teams with negative 5 points.... now i'll take that any week especially because he has the potential to have huge games with over 100yds rushing which is what you want out of a running back plus he can get you points in the air, as we've seen this year 13 tds with only 9 ints is respectable enough with all the rushing yards he is getting this year..... which is why he is ranked #4 in my league for QB's.... with no stupid bonuses for 20 yds rushing

 

As far as a QB in the NFL, he is inconsistent as hell as a passer, but he keeps the game exciting, because at any given moment he could break a 50yd run at QB... something that is obviously very rare... now if i was a coach in the NFL would i want him on my team?? well probably not, because i prefer more of a Phillip Rivers type player, one who is selfless... a guy you stick in a situation where you have a good running back, and a solid defense, because thats what i believe is the key to a foundation of an NFL team, but a guy that is still very capable of making plays when he needs too....instead of forcing him too all the time

 

Vick in my opinion doesn't have the kind of running back that allows for him to settle or the offensive line... i think alot of times he is forced to make those plays is because he is a shorter qb who likes to rollout to see the field better... and the fact that he can juke the ###### out of anyone makes him a huge threat... but the fact of the matter is teams are starting to figure out how to play a team with speed and a tiny running back(warrick dunn)... i think they made a mistake by letting go of Duckett... Duckett is the bruiser back that can tire out defenses and allow for the Falcons to take full advantage of Vicks speed late in the games.....but ofcourse this is all hypothetical, because Duckett has never seen a full load so who knows what he can do....

 

As far as Vick's personality, he is just a Rap star type ego in the NFL..... he's got alot of talent, but all he uses it for is flashy rims(juke moves), and fake gold teeth(the fact many are convinced that he can play quarterback in the NFL and lead a team to the superbowl is a joke)....

[omarkal 0]

You keep comparing Mike Vick to running backs but what you fail to recognize is Mike Vick is a QUARTERBACK. If Mike Vick can be played as an RB in your stupid league then you're 100% correct, "he's the MAN". As far as FF (and NFL) QB's go he's average at best (except in leagues with retarded scoring like yours ofcourse).

 

 

Guess i sound like a broken record. Bro, we have the same argument about Colston, he is wr but getting points as a TE. So are u gonna reject him cuz u are not happy about his title or designation? or do u want the points period? i will take the points, sorry if that offends people cuz at the end of the day, its the POINTS.

 

NEXT.....

[mobb_deep 920]

Guess i sound like a broken record. Bro, we have the same argument about Colston, he is wr but getting points as a TE. So are u gonna reject him cuz u are not happy about his title or designation? or do u want the points period? i will take the points, sorry if that offends people cuz at the end of the day, its the POINTS.

 

NEXT.....

 

No, I play in leagues that he's only eligible to be played at WR in.

 

Like has been stated many times in this thread. He is very inconsistent as far as QB's go. Sure he gets you some points running the ball (more so in your league), but he has only thrown for more then 1 TD 3 times this entire year (2 in week 1, 4 week 6, and 3 week 7). Add to that the fact that he has 4 games where he failed to throw a TD and you can see why people avoid him. Sure he's going to have a couple huge games and his ability to run makes him a decent option most weeks. He's unfortunately going to have quite a few more absolutely horrid weeks then guys you're comparing him to like Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, etc. One of the most important parts of FF is consistency. That's why guys like Santana Moss and Lee Evans still suck even though they might end up with 1000 and 7 at the end of the season. I'll take 80-90 yds a game and 1 TD in 8 of the 16 games over a guy who puts up donuts all year then has a 2 or 3 200 yard 3 TD games.

[football_scooter 0]

we dont reward points for giving home fans the finger....

 

I am going to nominate this as a rules change for next year. 10 points if your player flips off the home crowd, 5 points if it's the road crowd.

 

I think this is an outstanding idea! Thanks!!

[Skinny_Bastard 159]

Rank 4th in fantasy points by QB in my league.

 

He is consistently rank in the top 5 on FFTODAY'S WEEKLY PROJECTIONS.

 

He averages over 70 rushing yards a game.

 

In most league it's 1 TD!!!

166 yards rushing = 24.6 points which is about 4 TD!!!!

[Crackhead Bob 0]

Ranked 5th leading scorer amongst QBs in my league with 1770 passing yards, 13 TDs, 9 INTs, 3 fumbles lost, 870 Rushing yards with 2 rushing TDs.

1 pt for 10 yards rush, 1 pt for 20 yards passing and 6 for all TDs that = 241.6 points

Peyton who went 9th overall pick in my league leads with 275.20 points.

Considering Vick wasn't drafted until 5th round I'd rather have Vick as my fantasy QB anyday of the week.

I'm sorry value for the draft pick cannot be argued here. Vick was a steal that allowed the owner to get LT with #1 overall pick followed up with a number 1 WR pick in round 2 and grab very good #2 RB and a good #2 WR in rounds 1 - 4 before even considering Vick in 5.

[sirensong 111]

In my league scoring, he is only 20 pts behind P Manning and sitting as the 3rd best QB. I project one of his best games of the season after all this crap this past week:

 

320 passing 3 TD (2 to Jenkins and 1 to Crumpler), 110 rushing 1 TD

 

Then he will really tell the fans to go F@#ck themselves.

 

that would be what...a 3 point improvement over romo on thanksgiving?

 

and what's the salary difference again?