A few generalizations

[SUXBNME 1,498]

1: The majority of people who own their own business tend to vote Republican.

 

2: Cyber Galdalf is an unfunny tool

 

3: The current state of welfare is a complete joke

 

4: Alcoholism is a disease

 

 

[gocolts 300]

1.agree

2.agree

3.agree

4.disagree

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Welfare is a joke? What is this, 1994?

[Yer mom 2]

Yes to number one, and alcoholism is a weakness IMO

[SUXBNME 1,498]

Welfare is a joke? What is this, 1994?

Generalizations, dipshit..Agree or disagree. It's really not that hard

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

Agree with all. Especially 4. Those who receive welfare think that they are entitled to it and don't understand that it should be a temporary "crutch."

[wiffleball 4,790]

 

 

3: The current state of welfare is a complete joke

 

 

Prolly right on 3 outta 4. You should read up on Welfare. I think we did a thread here on it too. One of the things that didn't get a lot of press (but you can easily google) is the Welfare Reform that passed in the last administration.

 

Pretty much, the idea of welfare that's prolly running through your head is largely dead. No more "lifetime welfare", no more welfare without looking for a job and/or getting job training.

 

Most people are pretty ignorant on the subject - probably more a matter of class-ism and old stereotypes than anything else. You should read up on it. It's one of the things that our government's actually done right. (and oddly enough, done under a Democratic Admin).

 

ETA: But I DO agree it's a generalization. Just an ignorant one.

[Cyber Gandalf 0]

You all are ignorant.

[SUXBNME 1,498]

Prolly right on 3 outta 4. You should read up on Welfare. I think we did a thread here on it too. One of the things that didn't get a lot of press (but you can easily google) is the Welfare Reform that passed in the last administration.

 

Pretty much, the idea of welfare that's prolly running through your head is largely dead. No more "lifetime welfare", no more welfare without looking for a job and/or getting job training.

 

Most people are pretty ignorant on the subject - probably more a matter of class-ism and old stereotypes than anything else. You should read up on it. It's one of the things that our government's actually done right. (and oddly enough, done under a Democratic Admin).

 

ETA: But I DO agree it's a generalization. Just an ignorant one.

I wasn't saying that I agree with all of them, just wondering what other peoples views on these "generalizations" are.

[wiffleball 4,790]

I wasn't saying that I agree with all of them, just wondering what other peoples views on these "generalizations" are.

 

gotcha

[Mrsteak21 0]

1.agree

2.agree

3.agree

4.disagree

 

These are my answers as well. Coronary Heart Disease is a real disease, alcoholism is a dependency.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Prolly right on 3 outta 4. You should read up on Welfare. I think we did a thread here on it too. One of the things that didn't get a lot of press (but you can easily google) is the Welfare Reform that passed in the last administration.

 

Pretty much, the idea of welfare that's prolly running through your head is largely dead. No more "lifetime welfare", no more welfare without looking for a job and/or getting job training.

 

Most people are pretty ignorant on the subject - probably more a matter of class-ism and old stereotypes than anything else. You should read up on it. It's one of the things that our government's actually done right. (and oddly enough, done under a Democratic Admin).

 

ETA: But I DO agree it's a generalization. Just an ignorant one.

 

 

This is what I was trying to say. Welfare Reform really changed the whole system, so people are making their GENERALIZATIONS based on an old idea of how it worked and how prevalent it is.

[IndyTom 0]

Prolly right on 3 outta 4. You should read up on Welfare. I think we did a thread here on it too. One of the things that didn't get a lot of press (but you can easily google) is the Welfare Reform that passed in the last administration.

 

Pretty much, the idea of welfare that's prolly running through your head is largely dead. No more "lifetime welfare", no more welfare without looking for a job and/or getting job training.

 

Most people are pretty ignorant on the subject - probably more a matter of class-ism and old stereotypes than anything else. You should read up on it. It's one of the things that our government's actually done right. (and oddly enough, done under a Democratic Admin).

 

ETA: But I DO agree it's a generalization. Just an ignorant one.

 

Welfare reform is at the State level. So I am anxious to read what the "last administration" pushed through.

[pimptastic69 0]

1: The majority of people who own their own business tend to vote Republican.

 

2: Cyber Galdalf is an unfunny tool

 

3: The current state of welfare is a complete joke

 

4: Alcoholism is a disease

 

1. True

2. Maybe

3. True

4. Fock that. No one forced you to drink.

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

Welfare reform is at the State level. So I am anxious to read what the "last administration" pushed through.

 

Uh huh. But, regardless of where you live, if a wemenz has a kid out of wedlock, healthcare is free. Why get married? Thanks, LBJ for this "great society."

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

1.disagree sort of.

2.agree

3.agree

4.disagree

[parrot 789]

Welfare reform is at the State level. So I am anxious to read what the "last administration" pushed through.

HTH.

 

Not sure it's quite accurate to say the last administration pushed it through, though. Republicans were behind reform too, Clinton vetoed a couple versions, then they hammered out a workable solution.

[MDC 7,358]

1: The majority of people who own their own business tend to vote Republican.

 

2: Cyber Galdalf is an unfunny tool

 

3: The current state of welfare is a complete joke

 

4: Alcoholism is a disease

 

1. You are probably right.

 

2. Yes.

 

3. Welfare is a necessary evil.

 

4. Yes it is.

[kutulu 1,676]

1: The majority of people who own their own business tend to vote Republican.

 

2: Cyber Galdalf is an unfunny tool

 

3: The current state of welfare is a complete joke

 

4: Alcoholism is a disease

 

1. Most people are d1cks.

 

2. See number 1.

 

3. See number 2.

 

4.

[hoffdaddy 1]

So, do you like 'stuff'?

[frank 2,296]

2-4 aren't gerenalizations.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Welfare reform is at the State level. So I am anxious to read what the "last administration" pushed through.

 

Here's what I posted in the last great welfare thread....

 

Turns out, the reason for the disparity in "how long can you be on welfare?" is because it varies by state. However:

 

The Welfare Reform bill that Clinton signed in 1996 did many things:

 

+ It put a lifetime cap of five years total aid per person. No more "lifetime of welfare"

 

+ The maximum continuous time you could be on welfare was 2 years, but allowed states to reduce that number.

 

+ It required every adult receiving aid to work at least 30 hours a week, look for work and/or attend job training. (varies by state).

 

 

And, as a result, in less than 10 years following the passage of that Welfare Reform, the number of people on Welfare went from over 12 Million to a little over 4 Million.

 

 

So, I think the 'welfare' that most of us have in mind is the 'welfare' that existed in the 80's: The Welfare that never ran out & rewarded single mothers for having more children (more children = more money). I actually worked in a shelter for homeless women/families and that was one of the dirty little secrets other shelter's counselors would tell moms.

 

Seems like today's 'welfare', while by no means perfect, is a crapload better than most people think. And, it represents a whopping 1% of our national budget.

[RLLD 4,215]

You all are ignorant.

 

Which can be translated from crazy to, "you are all correct"

[Greedo 13]

1: The majority of people who own their own business tend to vote Republican.

 

2: Cyber Galdalf is an unfunny tool

 

3: The current state of welfare is a complete joke

 

4: Alcoholism is a disease

 

1. Generally true

 

2. Not sure

 

3. False

 

4. I'd call it an addiction, not a disease.

[Jeremy 0]

1: The majority of people who own their own business tend to vote Republican.

 

2: Cyber Galdalf is an unfunny tool

 

3: The current state of welfare is a complete joke

 

4: Alcoholism is a disease

 

1. Don't really know, but I assume that to be the case.

 

2. Of course. But he's not meant to be funny. He's meant to be annoying.

 

3. Disagree, especially given the info that Wiffle has provided.

 

4. Agree. I've heard people who have struggled with addiction say they used to think it was just people were too weak to quit, but then realized that isn't how it works. I don't struggle with any addictions, so I don't really know. Judging from seeing others go through it, I do believe it's a disease.

[Chiefs04 0]

Coronary Heart Disease is a real disease, alcoholism is a dependency.

 

 

[IndyTom 0]

Here's what I posted in the last great welfare thread....

 

Turns out, the reason for the disparity in "how long can you be on welfare?" is because it varies by state. However:

 

The Welfare Reform bill that Clinton signed in 1996 did many things:

 

+ It put a lifetime cap of five years total aid per person. No more "lifetime of welfare"

 

+ The maximum continuous time you could be on welfare was 2 years, but allowed states to reduce that number.

 

+ It required every adult receiving aid to work at least 30 hours a week, look for work and/or attend job training. (varies by state).

And, as a result, in less than 10 years following the passage of that Welfare Reform, the number of people on Welfare went from over 12 Million to a little over 4 Million.

So, I think the 'welfare' that most of us have in mind is the 'welfare' that existed in the 80's: The Welfare that never ran out & rewarded single mothers for having more children (more children = more money). I actually worked in a shelter for homeless women/families and that was one of the dirty little secrets other shelter's counselors would tell moms.

 

Seems like today's 'welfare', while by no means perfect, is a crapload better than most people think. And, it represents a whopping 1% of our national budget.

 

 

Cool - thanks for the clarification. Now tell me which party was in charge of the Senate and House at the time the Bill was written, passed, and presented to Bill Clinton to sign?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Welfare reform is at the State level. So I am anxious to read what the "last administration" pushed through.

 

Um, you are quite wrong. It was precisely Bill Clinton's 1996 Welfare Reform bill that allowed the states to experiment with their own welfare programs. Before that, the program was pretty much entirely in the hands of the federal government.

 

 

The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, Pub.L. 104-193, 110 Stat. 2105 (PRWORA), is a United States federal law that was considered to be a fundamental shift in both the method and goal of federal cash assistance to the poor. PRWORA instituted Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) which became effective July 1, 1997 and replaced what was then commonly known as welfare, the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) and the Job Opportunities and Basic Skills Training (JOBS) programs. In 1995 spending was $22.6 billion. Although roundly denounced by liberal groups in 1996, the bill was followed by a reduction in unemployment, which some have attributed to the reform. Indeed, the New Republic explained[1]"A broad consensus now holds that welfare reform was certainly not a disaster--and that it may, in fact, have worked much as its designers had hoped."

 

Essentially a cash stipend to the indigent with young children, its had three primary effects: (1) by forcing the recipient to meet certain conditions in exchange for support, it ended welfare as an entitlement program; (2) it placed a lifetime limit of no more than 60 months of benefits paid by federal funds; and (3) it was instituted as a block grant to states, which allowed states to experiment with different approaches as long as basic requirements were met. There is also a component that aims to encourage two-parent families and discourage out-of-wedlock births.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Resp...onciliation_Act

 

-- Oops, I just noticed that parrot and wiffle already posted on this, but it bears repeating, given that so many here seem to have antiquated views of welfare.

[PackerAttacker 0]

In the words of the great Steven Tyler....

 

"Im Drinkin' Welfare Whiskey... Smokin' foodstamp crack"