TD Ryan2 316 Posted May 1, 2007 you don't have to like it scooter. you don't have to buy into it or even believe it. and you know that Montana > Brady... so do I. Montana is a legend... neither Brady, nor Manning deserve comparison with him. No player today does. But Brady isn't finished yet. I'm just trying to prepare you for what ESPN and the NFL Network will be saying. The Pats lather is just starting... your collective haids are gonna' 'splode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBZFan2K 0 Posted May 1, 2007 slight flaw with this theory: Pats haven't won sh!t in 3 years. Also, Montana >>>>> Brady Proof? Montana in the playoffs - down a score, and less than 2 mins on the clock....drive drive drive drive, TD. Brady Vs San Diego in the playoffs, down a score with less than 2 mins to go: drive drive drive INTERCEPTION! (((miracle fumble/fumble recovery))) Pats get a gift win. Next week, Pats down a score, less than 2 mins on the clock, drive drive drive drive INTERCEPTION! Game ovah. Montana >>>>>> Brady Brady = choker. The kind of guy who can drive 40 yds for a field goal, but can't put one in the end zone when it matters the most. And yes, this post is 100% in response to the idiocy I quoted above, and is not directed at all Pats fans. Just a little defensive today. fisherman vs. fisherman...who will reign supreme?!?!? And I guess I'll cast my line for the heck of it... Randy Moss >>>>> Darrell Jackson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 1, 2007 Just a little defensive today. Nah - jus keeping it real. Fo sheezy my neezy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBZFan2K 0 Posted May 1, 2007 Nah - jus keeping it real. Fo sheezy my neezy. j00 know how we do Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Franknbeans 46 Posted May 1, 2007 this will make it all the sweeter when the Pats choke again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0 Posted May 1, 2007 Nobody is better then Montana or for that matter Elway .. YET!!! But when Brady wins 8 SuperBowls, shoot even if he only wins 6 the race will be over. Scoot, your History is revisionist I guarantee you can find games that Montana didn't win in the end. The fact of the matter Brady, Montana, Elway, Manning (that's right I said it he's officially in my greatest ever list after winning his SuperBowl) are the guys with the most come from behind wins (Elway), the best records in overtime and playoffs (Brady), the most consecutive playoff wins (Brady), the SuperBowls(Montana), the All Time Winning Streak (Brady!!!), and the guys you'd be happy to have in the huddle with 2 minutes to go. Manning included. I think you were joking. I hope so. And I do want to say this one thing... call it sour grapes... if Reche Caldwell catches that ball in the End Zone. You know the one where Brady found like his 5th option and hit Reche in the chest and hands with a perfect pass. The game was tied 31-31 if Reche catches that we are up 38-31. Manning then drives down and picks us apart as he did the entire 2nd half and it's a tie game 38-38. But instead Reche drops the ball we have to take the field goal and it's a 34-31 game Pats lead but it should have been a 38-38 game. That's why in the last 2 minutes Brady who would have easily driven us in for a FG and the win, was instead foreced to go for the TD because we were down 4 directly because of Reche's drop. Period. Brady did all he could do that game. I honestly hope they cut Caldwell he's not worth 1.3 million and I'd never trust him again if I was Brady. The Pats are going 16-0 and Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markf 0 Posted May 1, 2007 But instead Reche drops the ball we have to take the field goal and it's a 34-31 game Pats lead but it should have been a 38-38 game. That's why in the last 2 minutes Brady who would have easily driven us in for a FG and the win, was instead foreced to go for the TD because we were down 4 directly because of Reche's drop. Period. Brady did all he could do that game. Wow. Whole lotta denial still floating around out East, huh? Might as well go back to the beginning of the game and blame the coin-flip. Brady threw a bad pass, and it ended the game. End of story. If you're going to excuse him because he was having to force the ball... you're basically saying he couldn't take the pressure of load that was put on his shoulders, and cracked. Is that really what you're saying? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBZFan2K 0 Posted May 1, 2007 *sigh* I hate talking about "that game". I believe the drop you are referring to, the one in the end zone, Gaffney made up for it on the very next play with a spectacular tip-toe catch. The one that cost them big was when he was wide open near the sidelines and dropped it and could've ran it into the end zone for the TD, but they had to settle for a FG. 4 point difference there, which ended up being the difference in the final score. In the words of Bill Simmons, I will now light myself on fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 316 Posted May 1, 2007 *sigh* dear god... the dopes are still talking about THAT GAME! This Pats fan was thrilled with last season. We were supposed to lose the division to the almighty Dolphins... and then we were supposed to lose to the uber talented and classy Chargers in the playoffs... and then the Great Peyton Manning did indeed run our defense raggged. Up and down the field the whole second half. That game was about Manning's dominance, Manning's ability to control the game and force NE LBers to puke on the sidelines. and now NE has added 27 ProBowlers to their roster without losing one starter from last year and without jeopardizing their salary cap for this season or the foreseeable future. And you's knuckleheads can't understand why NE fans are dancing right now. NE's Front Office > Santa Clause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 1, 2007 Nobody is better then Montana or for that matter Elway .. YET!!! But when Brady wins 8 SuperBowls, shoot even if he only wins 6 the race will be over. Scoot, your History is revisionist I guarantee you can find games that Montana didn't win in the end. Not in the post season. And I believe I specifically said, "Montana in the playoffs" I think you were joking. I hope so. Needling, yes. Joking? No. saying Brady is a choker was 1/2 joking, but saying he choked in the 2006 playoffs was spot on. And I do want to say this one thing... call it sour grapes... if Reche Caldwell catches that ball in the End Zone. You know the one where Brady found like his 5th option and hit Reche in the chest and hands with a perfect pass. The game was tied 31-31 if Reche catches that we are up 38-31. Manning then drives down and picks us apart as he did the entire 2nd half and it's a tie game 38-38. But instead Reche drops the ball we have to take the field goal and it's a 34-31 game Pats lead but it should have been a 38-38 game. That's why in the last 2 minutes Brady who would have easily driven us in for a FG and the win, was instead foreced to go for the TD because we were down 4 directly because of Reche's drop. Period. Brady did all he could do that game. I honestly hope they cut Caldwell he's not worth 1.3 million and I'd never trust him again if I was Brady. The Pats are going 16-0 and Yep - that's sour grapes all right...but even IF everything you say is true, all you are doing is supporting my point that Brady couldn't drive down the field for a game winning TD. In two consecutive playoff games in 2006. Dumb luck advanced the Pats to the Colts game, where dumb luck forgot to show up. Make no mistake: the Pats lost that game on the arm of Tom Brady, the San Mateo Slinger. He threw the key interception in what should have been a game winning drive. Montana has never done that in the playoffs. Montana is a legend. Brady is a choker. If he needs a FG, he's money. If he needs a TD, better luck next season. Sad but true. You seem to be the only one engaging in revisionist history since you seem to believe that last year's playoff elimination was somehow not Brady's fault. It absolutely was. His team kept him in it all game, and one ill-conceived pass ended their championship hopes. True story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markf 0 Posted May 1, 2007 dear god... the dopes are still talking about THAT GAME! You gonna take that BirdBradyBobbyOrr? Dude just called you a dope! PAT FIGHT! PAT FIGHT! PAT FIGHT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBZFan2K 0 Posted May 1, 2007 dear god... the dopes are still talking about THAT GAME! This Pats fan was thrilled with last season. We were supposed to lose the division to the almighty Dolphins... and then we were supposed to lose to the uber talented and classy Chargers in the playoffs... and then the Great Peyton Manning did indeed run our defense raggged. Up and down the field the whole second half. That game was about Manning's dominance, Manning's ability to control the game and force NE LBers to puke on the sidelines. and now NE has added 27 ProBowlers to their roster without losing one starter from last year and without jeopardizing their salary cap for this season or the foreseeable future. And you's knuckleheads can't understand why NE fans are dancing right now. NE's Front Office > Santa Clause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted May 1, 2007 Welker and Watson will have huge Fantasy Upside. Brady has won three Superbowls with mediocre (At Best) WR's...now that the Pats have upgraded at that position I think we should wait to the end of the season(Superbowl) to remind these idiotic Patriot bashers that Brady has done WAY MORE with less than any other QB that has won a Superbowl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markf 0 Posted May 1, 2007 ... remind these idiotic Patriot bashers that Brady has done WAY MORE with less than any other QB that has won a Superbowl. Brady's won Superbowls with LESS than any other QB? Guess having a top tier defense during that span had nothing to do with it, huh? Again I ask the question... did the Pats Superbowl run this past season end because a RECEIVER dropped the ball? Did a RECEIVER run the wrong route to end the drive and the game? Nope... that was a couple of good old-fashioned mis-reads by your boy Brady. Neither Moss nor Stallworth would have helped keep either of the Pat's final drives alive. Sorry it hurts so bad... and yeah, you've got the upcoming season to prove otherwise. But sooner or later you have to accept the fact that Brady threw your Superbowl hopes away in the waning minutes. Bummer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigtuna 0 Posted May 1, 2007 Again I ask the question... did the Pats Superbowl run this past season end because a RECEIVER dropped the ball? Did a RECEIVER run the wrong route to end the drive and the game? Nope... Again, did you watch the game. the answer is yes. Reche Caldwell dropped two TD passes. you are done credibility ZERO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GutterBoy 2,899 Posted May 1, 2007 Can someone explain to me why the last two years, Brady threw interceptions on late 4th quarter drives with the games on the line? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBZFan2K 0 Posted May 1, 2007 Can someone explain to me why the last two years, Brady threw interceptions on late 4th quarter drives with the games on the line? No one's perfect? You won't find a QB that hasn't focked up in crunch time at some point in their career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GutterBoy 2,899 Posted May 2, 2007 No one's perfect? You won't find a QB that hasn't focked up in crunch time at some point in their career. Then why crucify Reche Caldwell? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBZFan2K 0 Posted May 2, 2007 Then why crucify Reche Caldwell? Dropped two easy passes for touchdowns, one that was nullified by Jabar Gaffney, one that wasn't and cost them 4 points on the scoreboard. Though Caldwell doesn't play defense and it's not his fault they squandered an 18-point lead. If anything, I don't hold it against Caldwell much because without his performance in the San Diego game, the Pats wouldn't have made it that far to begin with. The Pats defense couldn't make stops when they needed them, and the offense couldn't get first downs when they needed them. They blew it as a team, but I blame the defense the most. They had a large lead and couldn't hold on to it. Just about the only guy you can't fault is Gostkowski. Didn't miss a kick and was excellent on kickoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted May 2, 2007 Brady's won Superbowls with LESS than any other QB? Guess having a top tier defense during that span had nothing to do with it, huh? Again I ask the question... did the Pats Superbowl run this past season end because a RECEIVER dropped the ball? Did a RECEIVER run the wrong route to end the drive and the game? Nope... that was a couple of good old-fashioned mis-reads by your boy Brady. Neither Moss nor Stallworth would have helped keep either of the Pat's final drives alive. Sorry it hurts so bad... and yeah, you've got the upcoming season to prove otherwise. But sooner or later you have to accept the fact that Brady threw your Superbowl hopes away in the waning minutes. Bummer. LMFAO..yes the Pats had a excellant defense...but I was talking about the WRposition...tools Brady had to move the offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raider 84 29 Posted May 2, 2007 There's a good possibility that happens, unless they run into Oakland. Revenge against the "tuck"rule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356 Posted May 2, 2007 the correct answer is the Pats will be 1-1 after week 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markf 0 Posted May 2, 2007 Again, did you watch the game. the answer is yes. Reche Caldwell dropped two TD passes. you are done credibility ZERO Priceless. Pats fan hypocricy knows no bounds. Colts receivers drop countless key, easy catches in the snow... Manning's fault. Patriots drop a few in afccg... everyone else's fault but Brady's. Sorry guys. I know if you could go back in time and change it you would. But there is nothing clearer than the following fact. Brady had the win with a few first downs... and he failed. The entire country saw it... why didn't you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,687 Posted November 2, 2007 bump for the Colts & the last real test to the legend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 1,134 Posted November 2, 2007 Good bump. Lot of crow being served. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted November 2, 2007 Priceless. Pats fan hypocricy knows no bounds. Colts receivers drop countless key, easy catches in the snow... Manning's fault. Patriots drop a few in afccg... everyone else's fault but Brady's. Sorry guys. I know if you could go back in time and change it you would. But there is nothing clearer than the following fact. Brady had the win with a few first downs... and he failed. The entire country saw it... why didn't you? What I like is how they throw Caldwell under the bus every time (and deservedly so), yet they still think trading Deion Branch was a good thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boston 0 Posted November 2, 2007 What I like is how they throw Caldwell under the bus every time (and deservedly so), yet they still think trading Deion Branch was a good thing. Since Branch is currently making more than Moss/Stallworth/Welker combined it was a very smart move. Branch is a good WR but is not worth the money he is currently making and would be #4 on the 2007 Patriot depth chart. The timing of the Branch deal sucked because it definetly hurt them in the short term (i.e. 2006) but long term the move could not have been wiser since they obtained a #1 and gave themselves more flexibility to improve their team in 2007 and beyond. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter34 3 Posted November 2, 2007 Since Branch is currently making more than Moss/Stallworth/Welker combined it was a very smart move. Branch is a good WR but is not worth the money he is currently making and would be #4 on the 2007 Patriot depth chart. The timing of the Branch deal sucked because it definetly hurt them in the short term (i.e. 2006) but long term the move could not have been wiser since they obtained a #1 and gave themselves more flexibility to improve their team in 2007 and beyond. Why dig up a thread from 6 months ago? What were you doing on page 127 of the FFT archives? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boston 0 Posted November 2, 2007 Why dig up a thread from 6 months ago? What were you doing on page 127 of the FFT archives? Just responding...no digging from me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted November 2, 2007 The timing of the Branch deal sucked because it definetly hurt them in the short term (i.e. 2006) Congratulations on admitting this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boston 0 Posted November 2, 2007 Congratulations on admitting this. I've always seen this for what it is. Ultimately the Pats made the right move here. Unfortunately the timing sucked and when they realized Branch's demands were something they weren't going to meet there wasn't much left to replace him with which left a big void at WR last year. That being said the fact they didn't cave in for the short term is a testament to a front office that's done a great job balancing the present with the future and isn't afraid to make tough and sometimes unpopular decisions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ashwiggins 0 Posted November 2, 2007 The Cheatriots aren't winning doodly squat, due to the fact that Brady is gonig to have a compound fracture before the year is up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BirdBradyBobbyOrr 0 Posted November 2, 2007 I agree. 16-0 best team on paper and best team on Sundays. I've said before on this forum that the Brady era would include 8 SuperBowl wins. But after letting one slip away last year I thought Brady might get 7 rings max. Add Randy into the mix and the fact that we have a never ending surplus of draft picks and I can see 3 SuperBowls in the next 4 years from here followed by one last Elway style run in the last 2 years of Brady's career. Do the math, that's 8. I am the biggest Moss basher on this board and even a year ago I didn't like the idea of getting Randy. But for a 4th round pick it's no risk and here's what I really like about the move. Money talks bullshit walks. Mr Moss gave up $6million to play for the Patriots. He renegotiated his contract down 6 MILLION! In my eyes that buys Randy a few "give the dude a chance" points. I'd lilke to quote myself! Check it out! Nobody say I jumped on the bandwagon mid season! I agreed with Tuna and I've said for a long time Brady gets 8 rings. Does anyone else think that's impossible at this point? NICE JOB TUNA! FOCK EM ALL! We were there hyping it up in Arpil baby! Don't forget people we get San Francisco's 1st round pick! That's just unfair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter34 3 Posted November 2, 2007 I've always seen this for what it is. Ultimately the Pats made the right move here. Unfortunately the timing sucked and when they realized Branch's demands were something they weren't going to meet there wasn't much left to replace him with which left a big void at WR last year. That being said the fact they didn't cave in for the short term is a testament to a front office that's done a great job balancing the present with the future and isn't afraid to make tough and sometimes unpopular decisions. Letting Branch go for a 1st was the right move and not over-paying him was also correct. The mistake was not having a plan B for 2006. The Pats were left holding their johnson (no offence tj) with no reliable talent at WR and it ultimately cost them a shot at a 4th SB. Using their stockpiled picks to bring in Moss and Welker a year later doesnt make up for the previous year's blunder, but did address the problem for this year. So above where you state that they balance the present and future is somewhat inaccurate for 2006. They didnt balance the present with the Branch situation, they sacrificed it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,602 Posted November 2, 2007 Congratulations on admitting this. Which is what I said from day one and get told i'm not a real fan If you don't drink the koolaid and never complain, you can't be a real fan of the Patriots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,602 Posted November 2, 2007 Letting Branch go for a 1st was the right move and not over-paying him was also correct. The mistake was not having a plan B for 2006. The Pats were left holding their johnson (no offence tj) with no reliable talent at WR and it ultimately cost them a shot at a 4th SB. Using their stockpiled picks to bring in Moss and Welker a year later doesnt make up for the previous year's blunder, but did address the problem for this year. So above where you state that they balance the present and future is somewhat inaccurate for 2006. They didnt balance the present with the Branch situation, they sacrificed it. This is correct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boston 0 Posted November 2, 2007 Letting Branch go for a 1st was the right move and not over-paying him was also correct. The mistake was not having a plan B for 2006. The Pats were left holding their johnson (no offence tj) with no reliable talent at WR and it ultimately cost them a shot at a 4th SB. Using their stockpiled picks to bring in Moss and Welker a year later doesnt make up for the previous year's blunder, but did address the problem for this year. So above where you state that they balance the present and future is somewhat inaccurate for 2006. They didnt balance the present with the Branch situation, they sacrificed it. You really don't address the issue of what went down and what the Pats options were. The whole issue comes down to a miscalculation of what Branch's camp wanted and was willing to do and the timeframe it all went down. The Pats had planned on extending him (remember he was under contract for 2006 which many seem to overlook). There is zero question about that and he was part of the plan for 2006 right up until camp started. Things went south right before camp when he didn't budge from his demands and decided not to show up for camp (which the Pats did not plan for because Branch gave no indications that this was an option). This is where the Pats took the hit. Due to the timing they were in a situation where they could not execute a plan B as far as replacing Branch because their never seemed to be a reason to have a plan B. Yet, I think it's pretty strong statement to say they sacrificed a whole season by not being forced to overpay a WR who never had more than 1,000 yards or more than five TDs and only played 16 games in a season once who was looking for money he was not worth. IMO this really wasn't a case where they had any choice in what they could do in 2006. It wasn't a sacrifice so much as a miscalculation/bad timing where they were left with only one smart move to make and fortunately Seattle was willing to overpay. In the end Branch's camp played the situation very well to achieve their endgame of getting a very lucrative deal. On the Pats side they used the money they saved on Branch and helped take their team to another level in 2007 and probably beyond while still getting to the AFC title game in 06. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redtodd 7 Posted November 2, 2007 Letting Branch go for a 1st was the right move and not over-paying him was also correct. The mistake was not having a plan B for 2006. The Pats were left holding their johnson (no offence tj) with no reliable talent at WR and it ultimately cost them a shot at a 4th SB. Using their stockpiled picks to bring in Moss and Welker a year later doesnt make up for the previous year's blunder, but did address the problem for this year. So above where you state that they balance the present and future is somewhat inaccurate for 2006. They didnt balance the present with the Branch situation, they sacrificed it. The Patriots did not lose to the Colts last year because of the WR's. They lost because half of the defense was on the bench in the 2nd half when the Colts offense was on the field. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redtodd 7 Posted November 2, 2007 What I like is how they throw Caldwell under the bus every time (and deservedly so), yet they still think trading Deion Branch was a good thing. Yes it was. I'd much rather have the WR's we have now than Branch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redtodd 7 Posted November 2, 2007 Which is what I said from day one and get told i'm not a real fanIf you don't drink the koolaid and never complain, you can't be a real fan of the Patriots. You didn't just say that you did not agree with the Branch deal. You were doing post after post about how dumb Belicheck and Pioli were. You can disagree with deals the Patriots make, but to claim to be a fan and call those guys idiots after they have won 3 Super Bowls is idiotic. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites