Liberal Hero Michael Moore exposed....100% fraud

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Do you just have a lie quota you have to meet daily or something? jezus phucking christ man.

Lies are your game. And the Lemming's.

 

HTH

 

And... 40

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Did you shrink?

 

That's what she said.

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Michael Moore is abrasive, opinionated, sells his films as documentaries, and makes tons of dough. And he's right about some stuff. That's why the right-wingers go nuts.

 

HTH

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Knock yourself out.

 

OK. I understand that there are interpretations that differ from his and there may even be falsehoods made in his movies.

 

However, how does that differ from the lies told by the people that his detractors think are infallible (ex: GWB)?

 

My point is that I can see people disagreeing with him. I can see people trying to prove his points to be total fabrications. However, I don't see where the anger comes in those discussions and I certainly don't understand the death threats.

 

BTW - I find the same thing with GWB. I don't understand why many libs think that he is the devil and he has nothing but bad intentions.

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That's what she said.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

OK. I understand that there are interpretations that differ from his and there may even be falsehoods made in his movies.

 

However, how does that differ from the lies told by the people that his detractors think are infallible (ex: GWB)?

 

My point is that I can see people disagreeing with him. I can see people trying to prove his points to be total fabrications. However, I don't see where the anger comes in those discussions and I certainly don't understand the death threats.

 

BTW - I find the same thing with GWB. I don't understand why many libs think that he is the devil and he has nothing but bad intentions.

 

Well, i guess there is nothing we can do for you then. Im sorry.

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Well, i guess there is nothing we can do for you then. Im sorry.

Apart from occasional mild Internet entertainment, I doubt he wants you to do anything, ace.

 

HTH

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OK. I understand that there are interpretations that differ from his and there may even be falsehoods made in his movies.

 

However, how does that differ from the lies told by the people that his detractors think are infallible (ex: GWB)?

 

My point is that I can see people disagreeing with him. I can see people trying to prove his points to be total fabrications. However, I don't see where the anger comes in those discussions and I certainly don't understand the death threats.

 

BTW - I find the same thing with GWB. I don't understand why many libs think that he is the devil and he has nothing but bad intentions.

 

 

IMO..MM opinion's are very biased, and will push the limits of what's acceptable as truth.

Whether or not he has done all the things claimed in the video, I don't care. He'll be found out sooner or later if it's true.

 

Regarding GWB, I don't think he's the devil, but he clearly has an agenda that's not just what's in the US's best interest.

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IMO..MM opinion's are very biased, and will push the limits of what's acceptable as truth.

Whether or not he has done all the things claimed in the video, I don't care. He'll be found out sooner or later if it's true.

 

Regarding GWB, I don't think he's the devil, but he clearly has an agenda that's not just what's in the US's best interest.

 

So if MM pushes the limit of what is acceptable as truth, why do they not either ignore what he says or look to refute it in a manner that would convince others? It sure seems to me that more effort is done by trying to portray him as a terrorist-sympathizer or a hater-of-troops and most reasonable people find that to be ridiculous. If they portrayed him as a profit-loving movie maker who gets his facts wrong, then they would be far more successful.

 

I don't know the particulars, but it seems to me that there are a couple of key items that Moore was/is saying:

- We need to have fewer killings at high schools

- If we are going to go to war over WMD's, then we might want to actually find those WMD's

- We might want to focus our tax dollars on providing healthcare for our citizens at least as well as they do in other countries vs. killing people in other countries.

 

Let me know if those things don't seem to make sense.

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So if MM pushes the limit of what is acceptable as truth, why do they not either ignore what he says or look to refute it in a manner that would convince others? It sure seems to me that more effort is done by trying to portray him as a terrorist-sympathizer or a hater-of-troops and most reasonable people find that to be ridiculous. If they portrayed him as a profit-loving movie maker who gets his facts wrong, then they would be far more successful.

 

I don't know the particulars, but it seems to me that there are a couple of key items that Moore was/is saying:

- We need to have fewer killings at high schools

- If we are going to go to war over WMD's, then we might want to actually find those WMD's

- We might want to focus our tax dollars on providing healthcare for our citizens at least as well as they do in other countries vs. killing people in other countries.

 

Let me know if those things don't seem to make sense.

 

I agree 100%. Although the killings at High Schools is NOT the governments responsibility.

Everybody seems to want the government to do something when sh!t goes wrong. Some things can't be fixed with laws or legislation (which is the direction we are headed in) and I for one, believe it needs to stop.

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I agree 100%. Although the killings at High Schools is NOT the governments responsibility.

Everybody seems to want the government to do something when sh!t goes wrong. Some things can't be fixed with laws or legislation (which is the direction we are headed in) and I for one, believe it needs to stop.

 

Whose responsibility is it to secure our schools (and the rest of the country)?

 

I personally don't think that it is an easy answer, but I think that someone has to have responsibility to ensure public security. If that is not a government entity (federal, state, local), then I don't know who could handle it.

 

I would suggest to you that the role of a film maker (or any other artist for that matter) is to help drive discussion around important issues. It is our job to not follow solely the views of those people but, rather, weigh those views with contrarian viewpoints to arrive at a decision that is acted upon. If that is the case, then why are people getting so upset at what film makers show in their movies or what actors "preach" to the cameras?

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Whose responsibility is it to secure our schools (and the rest of the country)?

 

I personally don't think that it is an easy answer, but I think that someone has to have responsibility to ensure public security. If that is not a government entity (federal, state, local), then I don't know who could handle it.

 

I would suggest to you that the role of a film maker (or any other artist for that matter) is to help drive discussion around important issues. It is our job to not follow solely the views of those people but, rather, weigh those views with contrarian viewpoints to arrive at a decision that is acted upon. If that is the case, then why are people getting so upset at what film makers show in their movies or what actors "preach" to the cameras?

 

No one can ensure public safety, you are treading on very socialist waters with that mindset and even that type of govt couldnt protect you but they sure would promise they could. The military is there to protect us from foreign threats to the best of their ability, they are not infallible much like anything else in life. The police are their to protect the public at large but serve as only a slight deterrent at best, when someone breaks into your home what do you think would be faster....your 12 gauge street sweeper or placing a call to 911 and waiting for the cops. Security is an illusion. Its 100% up to the individual to ensure his or her safety to the best of his ability.

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No one can ensure public safety, you are treading on very socialist waters with that mindset and even that type of govt couldnt protect you but they sure would promise they could. The military is there to protect us from foreign threats to the best of their ability, they are not infallible much like anything else in life. The police are their to protect the public at large but serve as only a slight deterrent at best, when someone breaks into your home what do you think would be faster....your 12 gauge street sweeper or placing a call to 911 and waiting for the cops. Security is an illusion. Its 100% up to the individual to ensure his or her safety to the best of his ability.

 

So security is Socialist?

 

How about fire departments? Do we just have our fire department show up with the credit card processing machine for a fire because we are capitalists? How about we just let you stand there with your hose and put your own fire out?

 

Let's also make sure that when you call for an ambulance, we let you choke on your own vomit. That is not the government's responsibility.

 

I have a task for you. Read the Constitution sometime. It might teach you to stop throwing a smoke screen by using the term "socialist" and realize that "promote the general welfare" is sort of an important thing when creating a government.

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So security is Socialist?

 

How about fire departments? Do we just have our fire department show up with the credit card processing machine for a fire because we are capitalists? How about we just let you stand there with your hose and put your own fire out?

 

Let's also make sure that when you call for an ambulance, we let you choke on your own vomit. That is not the government's responsibility.

 

I have a task for you. Read the Constitution sometime. It might teach you to stop throwing a smoke screen by using the term "socialist" and realize that "promote the general welfare" is sort of an important thing when creating a government.

 

PFB,

 

I think what he was saying was that it's not the governments responsibility to 'ensure' you security, because for one reason, that would be impossible, and two, that really would fall into local governments responsibility, rather than Federal. Either way, you cannot be guaranteed personal security. The US military cannot 'guarantee' that China won't invade us, and they can't guarantee that they can defeat them. BUT, it IS their role to provide a competent level of security from those threats.

 

Regarding you thoughts on film, etc, I wholeheartedly agree. Questions should ALWAYS be asked, and the status quo should not always be accepted. It is GOOD to exercise our FREEDOM of questioning those who WE appoint to carry out our wishes at a govt level. I don't always agree with MM...but he has that right to question, and I think it does stimulate conversation.

 

I'm just not ready to put armed guards in every high school in the USA. I don't think that's FREEDOM at all.

And that's where I think Boz was going when he mentioned Socialism (but I could be wrong).

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PFB,

 

I think what he was saying was that it's not the governments responsibility to 'ensure' you security, because for one reason, that would be impossible, and two, that really would fall into local governments responsibility, rather than Federal. Either way, you cannot be guaranteed personal security. The US military cannot 'guarantee' that China won't invade us, and they can't guarantee that they can defeat them. BUT, it IS their role to provide a competent level of security from those threats.

 

Regarding you thoughts on film, etc, I wholeheartedly agree. Questions should ALWAYS be asked, and the status quo should not always be accepted. It is GOOD to exercise our FREEDOM of questioning those who WE appoint to carry out our wishes at a govt level. I don't always agree with MM...but he has that right to question, and I think it does stimulate conversation.

 

I'm just not ready to put armed guards in every high school in the USA. I don't think that's FREEDOM at all.

And that's where I think Boz was going when he mentioned Socialism (but I could be wrong).

 

He knows what im saying, he's just trying to push his agenda. He called for socialized medicine, gun control, and said Dubbya lied about WMD's all in one post......almost gift wrapped to us. I dont know who this kid thinks he's fooling.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

PFB,

 

I think what he was saying was that it's not the governments responsibility to 'ensure' you security, because for one reason, that would be impossible, and two, that really would fall into local governments responsibility, rather than Federal. Either way, you cannot be guaranteed personal security. The US military cannot 'guarantee' that China won't invade us, and they can't guarantee that they can defeat them. BUT, it IS their role to provide a competent level of security from those threats.

 

Regarding you thoughts on film, etc, I wholeheartedly agree. Questions should ALWAYS be asked, and the status quo should not always be accepted. It is GOOD to exercise our FREEDOM of questioning those who WE appoint to carry out our wishes at a govt level. I don't always agree with MM...but he has that right to question, and I think it does stimulate conversation.

 

I'm just not ready to put armed guards in every high school in the USA. I don't think that's FREEDOM at all.

And that's where I think Boz was going when he mentioned Socialism (but I could be wrong).

 

I am willing to be that you are wrong as to where Boz was going with this.

 

I don't disagree that we don't solve the problem by putting armed guards in schools. However, we can do things to prevent it from happening. It is not an easy question and you have people like the NRA driving public policy via money rather than focusing on what is right today.

 

It is also important to understand that just because the federal government is not responsible for performing tasks, that does not mean that they have no part in the solution. The Fed raises a ton of money via tax dollars every year and the intent is that at least some of that money funnels down to state and local governments (SLG) for the purpose of maintaining the public welfare. I would rather more of the money raised federally to be spent locally.

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If MM would call his films movies instead of documentaries then it would be all good. His films are more Star Wars than Super Size Me.

 

doc·u·men·ta·ry adj. Consisting of, concerning, or based on documents. Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional.

 

n., pl. -ries.

A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

He knows what im saying, he's just trying to push his agenda. He called for socialized medicine, gun control, and said Dubbya lied about WMD's all in one post......almost gift wrapped to us. I dont know who this kid thinks he's fooling.

 

Well not quite, but tell us exactly what is wrong with each of those items? I can tell you that are wrong on at least one of your assumptions.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

Well not quite, but tell us exactly what is wrong with each of those items? I can tell you that are wrong on at least one of your assumptions.

 

Search function bud, Ive spent countless hours backing up my stances. Im tired of it. USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

If MM would call his films movies instead of documentaries then it would be all good. His films are more Star Wars than Super Size Me.

 

doc·u·men·ta·ry adj. Consisting of, concerning, or based on documents. Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional.

 

n., pl. -ries.

A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration

 

 

Well this is something that I agree with. However, I don't that there are any documentaries anymore. Even Super Size Me had its own issues with impartiality. I can certainly understand people not liking Moore for his methods and even some of his message. I am not a fan of it either. I just don't understand the venom

 

Search function bud, Ive spent countless hours backing up my stances. Im tired of it. USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION.

 

 

OK, RP.

 

Typical lack of response when it deviates from the doctrine

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I am willing to be that you are wrong as to where Boz was going with this.

 

I don't disagree that we don't solve the problem by putting armed guards in schools. However, we can do things to prevent it from happening. It is not an easy question and you have people like the NRA driving public policy via money rather than focusing on what is right today.

 

It is also important to understand that just because the federal government is not responsible for performing tasks, that does not mean that they have no part in the solution. The Fed raises a ton of money via tax dollars every year and the intent is that at least some of that money funnels down to state and local governments (SLG) for the purpose of maintaining the public welfare. I would rather more of the money raised federally to be spent locally.

 

Well, I could be very wrong...I'm not him...so I'll let him elaborate.

And just so you know, I happen to believe GWB did lie to us in order to start a war.

 

But...that's where I think we may start to differ. I think Fed Govt healthcare is a HUGE, GIANT mistake.

 

I also am NOT for gun control. The 2nd Amendment of the Constitution clearly provides us the right to own weapons, and I'm ALL for the NRA keeping the lawmakers away from it. IMO, there is no 'gray' area.

 

Also, when you say we can do things to help prevent things like VT or Columbine...I totally agree.

But in a different manner than most.

Do you realize that when it's all said and done, that nearly half of your income makes it's way into the governments 'wallet'? 50%.

I have a suggestion....change foreign policy, cut UNNECESSARY defense spending (don't weaken us...just eliminate the policing of the world), eliminate Federal Income tax, and allow us to go back to the day where Mothers could stay home and raise our children, and not be forced to work fulltime just so we can make our mortgage payments.

 

I know....it sounds outrageous to some...but I think this is the sort of thing we need to GO BACK TO....not just tax more and make more laws. I think we all can agree the Fed Govt is a HUGE waste of $$ and bureacracy only slows things down.

 

The example above is NOT the solution to everything..but more of an indicator of some ideas we should start to consider as alternatives to more taxes and more government.

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Well, I could be very wrong...I'm not him...so I'll let him elaborate.

And just so you know, I happen to believe GWB did lie to us in order to start a war.

 

But...that's where I think we may start to differ. I think Fed Govt healthcare is a HUGE, GIANT mistake.

 

I also am NOT for gun control. The 2nd Amendment of the Constitution clearly provides us the right to own weapons, and I'm ALL for the NRA keeping the lawmakers away from it. IMO, there is no 'gray' area.

 

Also, when you say we can do things to help prevent things like VT or Columbine...I totally agree.

But in a different manner than most.

Do you realize that when it's all said and done, that nearly half of your income makes it's way into the governments 'wallet'? 50%.

I have a suggestion....change foreign policy, cut UNNECESSARY defense spending (don't weaken us...just eliminate the policing of the world), eliminate Federal Income tax, and allow us to go back to the day where Mothers could stay home and raise our children, and not be forced to work fulltime just so we can make our mortgage payments.

 

I know....it sounds outrageous to some...but I think this is the sort of thing we need to GO BACK TO....not just tax more and make more laws. I think we all can agree the Fed Govt is a HUGE waste of $$ and bureacracy only slows things down.

 

The example above is NOT the solution to everything..but more of an indicator of some ideas we should start to consider as alternatives to more taxes and more government.

 

Each of those are separate debates. I agree with some things and disagree with others. My question in this thread was why there was so much venom towards Moore. It is hatred for some and I can't figure out why. Especially for a guy with no power other than the power to put out a movie and have people pay $9 to watch.

 

Heck, I think that one of the purposes of arts and entertainment is to spurn debate that has an impact beyond "Is Tony Soprano dead?" or "Who is the next American Idol?" or "Who is the greatest big game QB of all time?". There are many who would rather sqash any debate that deviates from their own thinking. Some of them post here.

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My question in this thread was why there was so much venom towards Moore. It is hatred for some and I can't figure out why. Especially for a guy with no power other than the power to put out a movie and have people pay $9 to watch.

 

Easy....no one likes a bold faced LIAR.

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Each of those are separate debates. I agree with some things and disagree with others. My question in this thread was why there was so much venom towards Moore. It is hatred for some and I can't figure out why. Especially for a guy with no power other than the power to put out a movie and have people pay $9 to watch.

 

Heck, I think that one of the purposes of arts and entertainment is to spurn debate that has an impact beyond "Is Tony Soprano dead?" or "Who is the next American Idol?" or "Who is the greatest big game QB of all time?". There are many who would rather sqash any debate that deviates from their own thinking. Some of them post here.

 

Oh...that's easy. Because he's clearly biased towards the left viewpoint, and that automatically pisse$ off half the people. Some people are so stupid at times. Why not provide a well thought out argument, and not one that's clearly biased towards one political party (in a rather heavy angle usually)? More people would maybe listen to you, instead of having an 'automatic' response that he/she is a biased and therefore not to be taken seriously.

 

I have no hatred towards him in general, but his 9/11 movie sorta protrayed our troops as murderors and that pizzed me off. Our Troops only do what we tell em to.

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Each of those are separate debates. I agree with some things and disagree with others. My question in this thread was why there was so much venom towards Moore. It is hatred for some and I can't figure out why. Especially for a guy with no power other than the power to put out a movie and have people pay $9 to watch.

 

Heck, I think that one of the purposes of arts and entertainment is to spurn debate that has an impact beyond "Is Tony Soprano dead?" or "Who is the next American Idol?" or "Who is the greatest big game QB of all time?". There are many who would rather sqash any debate that deviates from their own thinking. Some of them post here.

 

Holy fuckk are you misguided. Moore packages his sh!t as if its a documentary bozo.....not a phucking A&E project and passes off as if its fact when his crap has been disproved a thousand times over. THIS is THE REASON, your impossible density is THE REASON for the venom, you are validating what he does as we speak under the guise of arts and entertainment and saying anyone who speaks to the contrary of his films are "squashing debate" which is so phucking retarded it actually hurts me, physically. Its also coming from the biggest phucking hypocrite in the industry. He doesnt even practice his own sh!t, like every other fuggin liberal on earth, yet you still eat it up.

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Too bad the Prius is less eco friendly than a Hummer.

I am a conservative republican, but your act is getting a little tiresome. The article you linked to has absolutely nothing to do with reality. What you are saying is that the Prius uses more energy to make, therefore it is less eco-friendly?

 

A Suburban lasting 300,000 miles? (just so you know, that is all the H3 is...A Suburban or K1500 if you prefer with a different body)

 

What is the mpg on the Hummers? 15? more? less?

 

Peronally, I like SUV's. I like trucks.

If someone doesn't need / want the extra towing ability or the extra space to go to your local Lowes and have the abitily to bring home some 4x8 sheets of drywall / plywood / whatever, and wants to buy a vehicle that gets great fuel economy, nice to drive, and has good ergonomics, (a matter of opinion, I know) then WTF is wrong with that?

 

Yes, that was a long run on sentence. Bottom line, the article you linked to did nothing to prove anything except your inability to comprehend common sense.

 

It's too bad, because I like alot of the blogs / articles etc. that you provide links to. I don't have enough time in the day to search some of this stuff out.

 

Anyways, Fock you and thank you at the same time

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Holy fuckk are you misguided. Moore packages his sh!t as if its a documentary bozo.....not a phucking A&E project and passes off as if its fact when his crap has been disproved a thousand times over. THIS is THE REASON, your impossible density is THE REASON for the venom, you are validating what he does as we speak under the guise of arts and entertainment and saying anyone who speaks to the contrary of his films are "squashing debate" which is so phucking retarded it actually hurts me, physically. Its also coming from the biggest phucking hypocrite in the industry. He doesnt even practice his own sh!t, like every other fuggin liberal on earth, yet you still eat it up.

 

 

Correction. Gutterboy is the biggest focking hypocrit in the industry.

[SUXBNME 1,651]

OWNED.

Try reading the article, dipshit

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QUOTE(Boz/BoFan @ Jun 18 2007, 04:50 PM) 3158159[/snapback]

 

I don't see any self-proclaimed conservatives committing these acts in the name of the party on a daily basis.

 

but the self-proclaimed conservatives aren't necessarily making movies completely opposite of their actions...

 

i love the al gore's and michael moore's of the world... sure they(and most other politicians) can point out to you what YOU should change and why this country is so wrong. yet when it comes to what they should do??... hypocrite BS like this. al gore is as big a hypocrite as anyone else... "i purchase carbon credits... so i can burn up all the natural resources i want because i donate loads of money to research. i'll SHOW you how global warning is hurting our planet... YOU need to do something... ME??? i'll just live in the lap of luxury and consume at least 20 times as many natural resouces and the average citizen... but it's ok... i have money"

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Search function bud, Ive spent countless hours backing up my stances.

yeah right.

omigosh you are so full of crap...

 

 

 

But...that's where I think we may start to differ. I think Fed Govt healthcare is a HUGE, GIANT mistake.

Why?

I also am NOT for gun control. The 2nd Amendment of the Constitution clearly provides us the right to own weapons, and I'm ALL for the NRA keeping the lawmakers away from it. IMO, there is no 'gray' area.

Why not?

Do you realize that when it's all said and done, that nearly half of your income makes it's way into the governments 'wallet'? 50%.

I have a suggestion....change foreign policy, cut UNNECESSARY defense spending (don't weaken us...just eliminate the policing of the world), eliminate Federal Income tax, and allow us to go back to the day where Mothers could stay home and raise our children, and not be forced to work fulltime just so we can make our mortgage payments.

Ok, we have a libertarian in the house. Chavinistic, too. Winning combo.

 

but the self-proclaimed conservatives aren't necessarily making movies completely opposite of their actions...

 

i love the al gore's and michael moore's of the world... sure they(and most other politicians) can point out to you what YOU should change and why this country is so wrong. yet when it comes to what they should do??... hypocrite BS like this. al gore is as big a hypocrite as anyone else... "i purchase carbon credits... so i can burn up all the natural resources i want because i donate loads of money to research. i'll SHOW you how global warning is hurting our planet... YOU need to do something... ME??? i'll just live in the lap of luxury and consume at least 20 times as many natural resouces and the average citizen... but it's ok... i have money"

So is that your excuse? "I don't to do a gosh-darn thing about the environment because Al Gore is a HIPPY-CRIT!!! "

 

Right-winger kooks are something else. Instead of thinking, "Hmmm... I wonder if that Gore dude has a point", all you know how to do is complain about your wallets.

[Sparkling Wiggles 0]

I am a conservative republican, but your act is getting a little tiresome. The article you linked to has absolutely nothing to do with reality.

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Holy fuckk are you misguided.

No... you are.

Moore packages his sh!t as if its a documentary bozo.....not a phucking A&E project and passes off as if its fact when his crap has been disproved a thousand times over.

So where's the venom against FauxNews? You know, the "fair and balanced" news channel? How about O'Reilly? Limbaugh? Hannity? Savage? The Washington Times? Drudge?

 

The right wing's hypocrisy knows no bounds.

 

THIS is THE REASON, your impossible density is THE REASON for the venom, you are validating what he does as we speak under the guise of arts and entertainment and saying anyone who speaks to the contrary of his films are "squashing debate" which is so phucking retarded it actually hurts me, physically. Its also coming from the biggest phucking hypocrite in the industry. He doesnt even practice his own sh!t, like every other fuggin liberal on earth, yet you still eat it up.

Funny how right-wingers accuse liberals of not practicing what they preach, then go out and do the exact same thing. I repeat: the right-wing's lunatic fringe hypocrisy is boundless.

[Blitzen 1]

So if MM pushes the limit of what is acceptable as truth, why do they not either ignore what he says or look to refute it in a manner that would convince others? It sure seems to me that more effort is done by trying to portray him as a terrorist-sympathizer or a hater-of-troops and most reasonable people find that to be ridiculous. If they portrayed him as a profit-loving movie maker who gets his facts wrong, then they would be far more successful.

 

I don't know the particulars, but it seems to me that there are a couple of key items that Moore was/is saying:

- We need to have fewer killings at high schools

- If we are going to go to war over WMD's, then we might want to actually find those WMD's

- We might want to focus our tax dollars on providing healthcare for our citizens at least as well as they do in other countries vs. killing people in other countries.

 

Let me know if those things don't seem to make sense.

 

Trust me: if he's saying that you guys need the equivalent of the current Canadian healthcare system, he's certifiable and hasn't talked to enough people. Our ystem costs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much to be sustainable long term. I think something between what you have and what we have (Denmark's system is pretty good from what I've heard) would be a lot better.

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It was a trailer, you impossibly stupid phuck. What does my size have to do with anything? For the record, 6'1" 245 and rep 275 for 3 sets like im allergic to it.

 

 

Hey little man. Guess I hit it right on the nose with the little man complex you have. It's ok. EZ to call names on a computer. I know it was a trailer, but they gave the other fools much more time to babble than the one they are talking about. weak. what about the other things I said? guess you agree... so what's your point little man?

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He knows what im saying, he's just trying to push his agenda.

 

Only LOL post I've read in one of these threads.

[DAVID RUFFIN 3]

Search function bud, Ive spent countless hours backing up my stances. Im tired of it. USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION.

 

Ive spent countless hours backing up my stances. Get a life.

[paulinstl 296]

For the record, 6'1" 245 and rep 275 for 3 sets like im allergic to it.

 

 

 

5 foot nuthin' 98 lb weakling kid who does nothing but listen to conservative radio and pretend to have been in the military. LMAO.

[davebg 0]

So if MM pushes the limit of what is acceptable as truth, why do they not either ignore what he says or look to refute it in a manner that would convince others? It sure seems to me that more effort is done by trying to portray him as a terrorist-sympathizer or a hater-of-troops and most reasonable people find that to be ridiculous. If they portrayed him as a profit-loving movie maker who gets his facts wrong, then they would be far more successful.

 

I don't know the particulars, but it seems to me that there are a couple of key items that Moore was/is saying:

- We need to have fewer killings at high schools

- If we are going to go to war over WMD's, then we might want to actually find those WMD's

- We might want to focus our tax dollars on providing healthcare for our citizens at least as well as they do in other countries vs. killing people in other countries.

 

Let me know if those things don't seem to make sense.

Actually, I was reading something recently about the fact that you don't really have many conservative documentaries. Much of it has to do w/the difficulty that the people who want to make such films have obtaining financing and distribution channels. Apparently, Hollywood isn't as eager to fund such films as they are more liberal fare like MM's stuff.

 

One such film is called Indocrinate U, which focuses on the liberal bias in America's colleges and universities today. The maker of the film actually asked MM about the lack of con docu's.

Ironically enough, aspiring conservative documentarian Evan Coyne Maloney received his inspiration from Michael Moore, the left-wing firebrand responsible for the anti-gun polemic Bowling for Columbine and the anti-Bush screed Fahrenheit 9/11. This isn't to say that Moore inspired him figuratively: Maloney literally stopped Moore on the street, interviewed him, and left with some helpful knowledge. When Maloney confronted the Oscar winner about the liberal slant of most Hollywood-produced documentaries, Moore responded thusly:

 

"I agree with you. I think this art form should be open to people of all political persuasions and not just be people who are liberal or left of center or whatever. . . . You want to encourage all voices to be heard because that's the best way to have, to come up with the best decisions in a free society. You don't want just one voice or one stream of thought being put out there. . . . Make your movies and then the people will respond, or not respond, to them."

 

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Publ...13/658rvful.asp

[FranksTanks 0]

1. People mad they didn't get a hand out... check

2. A guy from his highschool pretending to know him and biting his style... check

3. Retarded conservatives getting jealous and angry... check and check

 

Good find!

[hoytdwow 202]

in the name of cheeseburgers

 

 

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