McNabb says black QBs criticized more than white QBs

[spyglass 0]

Or Eli or Pennington or David Carr or Delhomme or Bledsoe or the beating Brees will take if the Saints don't turn it around. Give me a break.

 

There you go, proving his point. How can you compare McNabb to David Carr or Chad Pennington.

 

I really can't blame McNabb. Philly fans are the worst fans in the country. If you listen to Barkley, he basically said the fans drove him out of town. How can you boo a guy, in the first quarter mind you, who took your team to the SB. Who played through some fairly nasty injuries. Who is just coming off a fairly nasty injuries and is not yet 100%.

[Rerun 0]

2 games in and he pulls the race card. It must be really bad.

 

Anybody that saw that play near the goaline where he missed a wide open Kevin Curtis by about 10 feet knows this is all utter crap.

 

toward the end

 

Sack up and take some responsibility.

[Mephisto 15]

A couple of other worthwhile notes:

 

- How soon he forgets when a lot of the world was calling him the league MVP after game 2 last year... and not just Eagles fans.

 

- Despite their record when he tore the ACL (and a couple of huge missed game-winning opportunities which rested squarely on his shoulders in that time frame) - he has some SICKASS stats... yardage, TDs, the whole shebang. He very well could have been and was on pace to finish up with career highs in yardage and touchdown given his pre-injury pace.

 

Guess he conveniently forgot about the accolades when he actually does well.

 

This is a true shame and no, it's not lost on anyone who is paying attention that he is thin-skinned, complains a lot, and rarely takes the responsibility when the responsibility IS his or primarily his. Just once it would be nice to see a "I missed some chances and let the team down." I mean FOCK, JR Reed did that and ended up cut, but ya gotta give the guy props for saying, I made a huge mistake and cost my team the game. I let them down. This, despite the fact that an all-around shitty performance by the entire team (except the defense) against Green Bay.

 

Finally, anyone presuming that Donovan McNabb is "gone" sooner than the 2009 season is a tool. He ain't goin' anywhere and I don't care if the Eagles go 0-16 this season. Save the knee-jerks for your fantasy football squad, it doesn't translate to real-world football.

 

Perform well - get all the glory.

 

Perform shittily - get all the criticism.

 

Welcome to professional sports, Donovan. Nice of you to show up.

[nategraduates 0]

Philly fans don't care about your stats, they are a town with sports team failures for the last 20 years and just want a championship in SOMETHING. Had McNabb won them that SB he could of had a passer rating of 60 with 10 touchdowns on the season and it wouldn't mean anything, he would still of been a hero for years to come. For some reason the only person immune to this "no championship you get booed whenever you hit a bump" treatment is Allen Iverson, they have loved him unconditionally since they drafted him. I think it may be his size (5"10-6"0) that make him the underdog and uncanny resemblance to a Rocky Balboa story that gets him all the love even though all he did was put up scoring titles and get them pretty much swept by the Lakers in the Finals (McNabb anyone? Great Statistical QB losing to Patriots in SB?).

 

Lets be serious Donovan, if you play in Philadelphia you have to perform to be loved.

You can throw for as many 300 YD 3 TD games as you want, but if you want acception you need to bring that ring to Philly.

[ccb123 0]

There you go, proving his point. How can you compare McNabb to David Carr or Chad Pennington.

 

I really can't blame McNabb. Philly fans are the worst fans in the country. If you listen to Barkley, he basically said the fans drove him out of town. How can you boo a guy, in the first quarter mind you, who took your team to the SB. Who played through some fairly nasty injuries. Who is just coming off a fairly nasty injuries and is not yet 100%.

 

 

I will compare them, They are all QB's and all take criticism. McNabb is on a better team with a better offensive scheme and was lucky to be in such a good situation, I mean what happened when they plugged the often criticised Garcia. Carr and Pennington had much better raw talent that has been wasted by bad coaching and teams thus they have recieved much more criticism than McNabb ever will. He need to STFU and quit whining and realise just how lucky he has been in his career.

[Pinto 0]

There you go, proving his point. How can you compare McNabb to David Carr or Chad Pennington.

 

I really can't blame McNabb. Philly fans are the worst fans in the country. If you listen to Barkley, he basically said the fans drove him out of town. How can you boo a guy, in the first quarter mind you, who took your team to the SB. Who played through some fairly nasty injuries. Who is just coming off a fairly nasty injuries and is not yet 100%.

 

Weren't Manning and Elway regularly criticized until they won their SBs? Wasn't Favre criticized a lot in the last year or two? These are all white HOF QBs, so I just compared them to McNabb.

 

Point is--no racism and he's scrutinized more due to being a good QB on a good team in Philly.

[Mephisto 15]

For some reason the only person immune to this "no championship you get booed whenever you hit a bump" treatment is Allen Iverson, they have loved him unconditionally since they drafted him.

 

You must not live in Philly. The only people, and not all of them, who "loved" Iverson unconditionally were those of the same race.

 

Most of the rest of the tri-state Sixer fans saw him for what he was... a selfish, ignorant player, and thug wannabe who would never win a championship with him because he consistently failed to make the players around him better... but that's a different topic altogether.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

Pulling the scab off an old wound at wrong time

 

By JIM LITKE - AP Sports Columnist

 

2007-09-19 03:13

 

 

Four years ago, Donovan McNabb got off to a lousy start and Rush Limbaugh said the media propped him up because it was ``very desirous'' to see black quarterbacks succeed.

 

In an interview recorded almost three weeks ago but aired Tuesday, McNabb said people wanted to see black quarterbacks fail.

 

Who's right?

 

Both, if the benchmark is a disgruntled few; neither, if the sample is larger than that.

 

Whatever opinions the rest of us harbored about the topic were pretty much exhausted a decade or so ago, around the time black quarterbacks became commonplace in the NFL. It's a measure of progress that most of us understand a coach would play Satan now at quarterback - with the tacit approval of everybody from the team owner to the team chaplain - if he thought it improved his team's chances to win. We also understand the opposite is true; that Eagles coach Andy Reid would yank McNabb the moment he found somebody he believed could run the offense better.

 

So maybe the better question is why McNabb decided to wake up those ugly echoes.

 

He started life in the NFL as a guy with a chip on his shoulder pads, which made sense when you remember McNabb was booed on draft day in 1999 by a busload of Philly fans who rode up to New York for just such an occasion. And in those first few seasons, no matter what the Eagles lacked - a consistent ground game, game-breaking receiver or tenacious ``D'' - McNabb seemed determined to prove he could overcome it all by doing more himself.

 

Then came success: the Pro Bowl selections, the string of NFC Championship game berths, a strong supporting cast and a very different McNabb. He cut down on reckless runs, quit forcing throws into tight spots and became the model of consistency. His high school coach watched McNabb play a game back in Chicago early in 2004, the season the Eagles finally reached the Super Bowl, and pronounced the transformation complete.

 

``It's like everything else in life,'' said Frank Lenti, who has sent a half-dozen players to the NFL from Mt. Carmel High. ``It takes a while to get comfortable in your own skin.''

 

The problem is that the feeling doesn't last forever.

 

The Eagles were humbled 20-12 by Washington on Monday night and booed by the hometown fans throughout. The quarterback who led them looked anything but comfortable, playing on a surgically repaired knee that hasn't completely healed and commanding an offense sorely lacking balance. For some reason, Reid decided to call 46 pass plays and give multipurpose back Brian Westbrook only 17 touches, which seems curious for a team that has mustered only one touchdown in two losses.

 

``I thought we saw a great thing with Donovan as we got through that fourth quarter,'' Reid said Tuesday. ``Some of that rust came off and it looked like the old Donovan there. So, that's a very positive thing coming out of this game.''

 

McNabb might disagree - he missed receiver Kevin Carter on an easy touchdown throw at the end that would have forced overtime - but chances are he's too proud to say so. He was undermined by Terrell Owens throughout T.O.'s brief stay in Philly, then criticized by the head of the local NAACP chapter for a lack of leadership, so he understands that quarterbacks are held to an unreasonable standard anytime a team falters.

 

McNabb might have known what the fans in Philadelphia are just finding out, that the Eagles are just a so-so team in a beefed-up division, and maybe he was just looking for some breathing room when he taped the HBO interview. Or maybe he was smarting from all the fawning those same fans did last season over his backup Jeff Garcia, who rescued the Eagles when McNabb injured his knee and led the team into the playoffs.

 

Either way, it was disconcerting to hear McNabb say, ``Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play ... is low, so we do a little extra.''

 

McNabb has been doing that ``little extra'' his entire career, going back even before draft day, all the way back to college, when more than a few recruiters tried to convince him to switch positions. To deny that race hasn't played a part in the controversies that have swirled around him in the past is just plain wrong.

 

But it has nothing to do with his current predicament, and so McNabb did himself no favors by raising the issue himself, ahead of any criticism that would inevitably follow an 0-2 start. Especially when he was far from full strength. He should have learned long ago that timing is everything, and in this case, his couldn't have been worse.

 

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Jim Litke is a national sports columnist for The Associated Press.

 

Interesting read.

[VaTerp 0]

Interesting read.

 

I tend to agree w/ much of that article. For the most part I've avoided this thread b/c I dont feel like going down the road of racial discussion in a forum where the overwhelming majority of the posters are white males and a significant number of them harbor a substantial amount of prejudice and racial bias.

 

But I will say this. I think what McNabb said is absolutely true. Limbaugh is a perfect example. There was no reason for him to make the politically charged statement he did unless he believed that blacks as Qbs are inferior. Otherwise, why say that the media is desirous of having a successful black QB. That in itself implies that blacks are less capable of playing the position and need the media to make them out to be better than they are. If he thought McNabb was overrated he could have done so without using race as the prominent issue.

 

Also, I look at the criticism McNabb has recieved over his career and there is no doubt in my mind that some of it has to do with race. How much, I dont know. That problem depends on the particular person discussing him but it undoubtedly plays a factor. I remember getting in arguments on a washingtonpost message board in the pre-season that Philly got TO. My argument was that McNabb would be significantly better now that he actually had a legit #1Wr while the vast majority of others bashed him saying that the WRs werent the problem. Several people went as far as to say things like the only thing separating McNabb from Akili Smith was that Andy Reid's WCO protected him. Race was obviously a part of the criticism McNabb recieved and still recieves. Just look at some of the current criticism on this bored about McNabb. The Wrs arent the problem or at least a large part of the problem. Really? Look at his stats when TO was there. Not to mention the stats and wins he put up with guys like James Thrash, Charles Johnson, and Reggie Brown as leading Wrs. And yes he has not been consitent w/ his accuracy but Wrs getting separation is a big part of that. I look at the criticism McNabb recieves vs the success he has had and think that it is disproportionate.

 

Having said that, ALL Qbs are highly criticzed. Thats part of the nature of the position. Add to that the fact that McNabb has had success, is nationally marketed, plays in a town that is notoriously tough on pretty much everybody, and he is gonna recieve more criticism than some other Qbs. I think its is as equally ignorant to suggest that he is criticized soley b/c of race as it is to suggest that race does not play a factor at all.

 

I agree entirley with the article that McNabb's timing here is TERRIBLE. He is not playing at 100% and the team has lost 6 of his last 7 starts. There certainly is room for criticism of his game and his statements, while holding some truth, come across as trying to deflect what is legitimate and fair criticism of him at this time. I would like to see the whole interview and the context in which he made the statements but McNabb did not do himself or his argument any favors with his timing. McNabb does seem to be pretty thin skinned and I was one of the few people who at the time stated that he was as much to blame for the TO saga with the way he handled it.

 

In the end, I believe that there is some truth to what McNabb said as race plays a factor in the way people view SO many things. People are trying to put it in vacuum and act like he is saying that is the only reason he receives criticism. I dont think thats what he is saying at all but again I would like to see the whole interview. Either way, as far as Im concerened the timing is the biggest factor here and in that regard McNabb couldnt have been more wrong.

[JT 137]

You must not live in Philly. The only people, and not all of them, who "loved" Iverson unconditionally were those of the same race.

 

Most of the rest of the tri-state Sixer fans saw him for what he was... a selfish, ignorant player, and thug wannabe who would never win a championship with him because he consistently failed to make the players around him better... but that's a different topic altogether.

 

Bull. Iverson had many fans, of all races, til the day he left. Not saying there weren't those...again, of all races...that disliked the guy, but yours is a pretty dumb statement.

[JT 137]

I tend to agree w/ much of that article. For the most part I've avoided this thread b/c I dont feel like going down the road of racial discussion in a forum where the overwhelming majority of the posters are white males and a significant number of them harbor a substantial amount of prejudice and racial bias.

 

But I will say this. I think what McNabb said is absolutely true. Limbaugh is a perfect example. There was no reason for him to make the politically charged statement he did unless he believed that blacks as Qbs are inferior. Otherwise, why say that the media is desirous of having a successful black QB. That in itself implies that blacks are less capable of playing the position and need the media to make them out to be better than they are. If he thought McNabb was overrated he could have done so without using race as the prominent issue.

 

Also, I look at the criticism McNabb has recieved over his career and there is no doubt in my mind that some of it has to do with race. How much, I dont know. That problem depends on the particular person discussing him but it undoubtedly plays a factor. I remember getting in arguments on a washingtonpost message board in the pre-season that Philly got TO. My argument was that McNabb would be significantly better now that he actually had a legit #1Wr while the vast majority of others bashed him saying that the WRs werent the problem. Several people went as far as to say things like the only thing separating McNabb from Akili Smith was that Andy Reid's WCO protected him. Race was obviously a part of the criticism McNabb recieved and still recieves. Just look at some of the current criticism on this bored about McNabb. The Wrs arent the problem or at least a large part of the problem. Really? Look at his stats when TO was there. Not to mention the stats and wins he put up with guys like James Thrash, Charles Johnson, and Reggie Brown as leading Wrs. And yes he has not been consitent w/ his accuracy but Wrs getting separation is a big part of that. I look at the criticism McNabb recieves vs the success he has had and think that it is disproportionate.

 

Having said that, ALL Qbs are highly criticzed. Thats part of the nature of the position. Add to that the fact that McNabb has had success, is nationally marketed, plays in a town that is notoriously tough on pretty much everybody, and he is gonna recieve more criticism than some other Qbs. I think its is as equally ignorant to suggest that he is criticized soley b/c of race as it is to suggest that race does not play a factor at all.

 

I agree entirley with the article that McNabb's timing here is TERRIBLE. He is not playing at 100% and the team has lost 6 of his last 7 starts. There certainly is room for criticism of his game and his statements, while holding some truth, come across as trying to deflect what is legitimate and fair criticism of him at this time. I would like to see the whole interview and the context in which he made the statements but McNabb did not do himself or his argument any favors with his timing. McNabb does seem to be pretty thin skinned and I was one of the few people who at the time stated that he was as much to blame for the TO saga with the way he handled it.

 

In the end, I believe that there is some truth to what McNabb said as race plays a factor in the way people view SO many things. People are trying to put it in vacuum and act like he is saying that is the only reason he receives criticism. I dont think thats what he is saying at all but again I would like to see the whole interview. Either way, as far as Im concerened the timing is the biggest factor here and in that regard McNabb couldnt have been more wrong.

 

I agree that the timing could have been better but, in fairness, this interview was done prior to Monday's game. I don't know the exact date of the interview but, at best (or worst), he only had one real bad performance under his belt.

[Rerun 0]

I agree entirley with the article that McNabb's timing here is TERRIBLE.

 

It was actually good timing for Mcnabb. A premptive strike against being benched. Now when Reid tries to bench him...oh boy.

 

 

Also I just proposed a trade to the Mcnabb owner in my league for my kicker.

[LunaTick 30]

When McNabb came into the league.

I think this to be very much the case.

To some extent, for a segment of morons, it will be the case.

 

But, to compare this with an example of Peyton Manning (who until he won the Ring last years, did receive some barbs from those who said he would never win the big game) is a bit of a stretch. IMO.

 

Though look at Harrington, Look at Eli. Look at Brad Johnson. Look at Worthlessberger last season,

The simple truth is not much margin is given to the QB position.

Rarely is a QB not barbed by the fans (except for the punch drunk love Packers with Favre (again see Super Bowl Ring)).

 

But at this point, I won't expect much be to be a question of race anymore (except for the moron segment).

More is going to be on his health and how his performance on the field is off (If Favre looked that bad, the beer google even in GB would fall off)

[VaTerp 0]

It was actually good timing for Mcnabb. A premptive strike against being benched. Now when Reid tries to bench him...oh boy.

Also I just proposed a trade to the Mcnabb owner in my league for my kicker.

 

See this is just stupid. McNabb does not need a preemptive strike to avoid benching. If healthy, he is the starter. PERIOD.

[VaTerp 0]

I agree that the timing could have been better but, in fairness, this interview was done prior to Monday's game. I don't know the exact date of the interview but, at best (or worst), he only had one real bad performance under his belt.

 

When I say the timing was terrible I mean in general not just coming off the loss on MNF.

 

There was already a lot of pressure on McNabb coming off injury and w/ Philly's window of opportunity to get back to a Super Bowl w/ him closing somewhat. Obviously HBO wants to interview him and get him on air during football season but IMO he should have saved these comments for another time.

[sirensong 111]

wasn't it george washington carver who said that there would always be a certain class of black man who had a vested interest in maintaining racism, because then he wouldn't be held to the same standard as everyone else?

 

or was that fredrick douglass?

[Mephisto 15]

Bull. Iverson had many fans, of all races, til the day he left. Not saying there weren't those...again, of all races...that disliked the guy, but yours is a pretty dumb statement.

 

It's no dumber than you implying that the same doesn't hold true for McNabb.

[Mephisto 15]

I agree that the timing could have been better but, in fairness, this interview was done prior to Monday's game. I don't know the exact date of the interview but, at best (or worst), he only had one real bad performance under his belt.

 

Not saying I agree one way or the other, but he lost (not specifically himself) 6 of the last 7.

[scherber830 0]

mcnabb can piss and moan all he wants.

 

bottom line: if you perform, no one will criticize.

 

Rex Grossman got his focking team to the Super Bowl but still gets ripped. Eli Manning gets ripped if his body language on the field isnt perfect.

 

I'm sick of this race stuff. If you can play you will get props.

 

McNabb

[plasma george 62]

Interesting read.

fix your sig link....please.

[plasma george 62]

mcnabb can piss and moan all he wants.

Rex Grossman got his focking team to the Super Bowl but still gets ripped. Eli Manning gets ripped if his body language on the field isnt perfect.

Gotta disagree there....the Defense got the Bears to the Superbowl, just like Ravens did for Dilfer.

 

And the Eagles fans are booing Reid as much as McNabb, talk about pressure, what if they lose to Detroit in Philly ?

Does Reid bench him....stay with him ?...jump off a bridge ?

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

I agree that the timing could have been better but, in fairness, this interview was done prior to Monday's game. I don't know the exact date of the interview but, at best (or worst), he only had one real bad performance under his belt.

 

Actually, once again you're 100% off base. McNabb lost his last 4 games prior to the knee injury that had Garcia take over and lead that team to the playoffs.

 

McNabb's interview predated game 1 of this year, where he's now lost his last 6 straight starts.

 

But basically he was firing an opening salvo in attempt to curtail the inevitable criticism that was expected when he took back the offense. Perhaps McNabb lost faith in himself and knew he stood to be criticized for not leading the team as effectively as Garcia - who the hell knows. What I do know is that McNabb lost his last 4 games, took a bunch of criticism, then got hurt and watched a white guy get embraced after he was getting pounded by the media.

 

And since he lacks a backbone and sense of personal responsibility, he blames that criticism on his race rather than owning up to the fact that he DESERVED the criticism for his play on the field regardless of color. And until apologists like you accept that his play caused the criticism and not his race, McNabb will continue to feel justified in hiding behind that race card.

 

Thus in context of his situation last seaon he comes off sounding like a bitter little spineless b!tch, jealous of the love that Philly fans showed Garcia after being so harsh on him. Was it because Garcia was white and McNabb black? Hell no - it was because Garcia was a winner and McNabb was a loser - and in Philly that's all that matters.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

fix your sig link....please.

 

my apologies - not sure when they took that down. will be fixed shortly. I only wish it was as simple to fix JT's defective brain.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

A point of view in favor of McNabb...

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7241878

 

I agree with the writer...Manning and Palmer have been given alot more weapons...

 

But not Brady...this guy actually labels Ben Watson and Corey Dillon as Weapons for Brady...umm...how about Westbrook for McNabb? One of the most underrated RB's in the NFL.

He also says it's unfair that teammates didn't get upset with Brady when Branch left, like the Eagles players were upset with McNabb when T.O. left. The difference is, Brady publicly lobbied for the Pats to resign Branch, and they went against his wishes. McNabb and T.O. just fought through the press.

 

McNabb's a whiner.

[JT 137]

Actually, once again you're 100% off base. McNabb lost his last 4 games prior to the knee injury that had Garcia take over and lead that team to the playoffs.

 

McNabb's interview predated game 1 of this year, where he's now lost his last 6 straight starts.

 

But basically he was firing an opening salvo in attempt to curtail the inevitable criticism that was expected when he took back the offense. Perhaps McNabb lost faith in himself and knew he stood to be criticized for not leading the team as effectively as Garcia - who the hell knows. What I do know is that McNabb lost his last 4 games, took a bunch of criticism, then got hurt and watched a white guy get embraced after he was getting pounded by the media.

 

And since he lacks a backbone and sense of personal responsibility, he blames that criticism on his race rather than owning up to the fact that he DESERVED the criticism for his play on the field regardless of color. And until apologists like you accept that his play caused the criticism and not his race, McNabb will continue to feel justified in hiding behind that race card.

 

Thus in context of his situation last seaon he comes off sounding like a bitter little spineless b!tch, jealous of the love that Philly fans showed Garcia after being so harsh on him. Was it because Garcia was white and McNabb black? Hell no - it was because Garcia was a winner and McNabb was a loser - and in Philly that's all that matters.

 

Really? 100% off base?

 

He was injured on the 2nd play of the 2nd quarter 11/19/2006 vs Tennessee, a game they lost horribly.

 

The week before, 11/12/06, they whipped Washington 27-3. McNabb passed for 257 yds, 2 TD and 0 INT.

 

He did lose (at least as much as simpletons believe a QB wins or loses NFL games) the three games prior to that one: 10/29 vs Jackxonville, when the entire team shat the bed and the defense gave up over 200 yds rushing to the Jags. He wasn't great by any means: 18-34, 161, 0 TD or INT, but he didn't give the game away, or make Fred Taylor look like Jim Brown.

 

10/22 vs Tampa he was 22-35, 302 yds, 3 TD and 3 INT in a game they lost when a guy hit a 62 yd FG at the gun to beat them on the road.

 

10/15 vs NO he was 19-32, 247, 2 TD 1 INT when a FG at the gun beat them on the road.

 

10/8 he was 18-33, 354, 2-0 as they whipped dallas.

 

So, over this period, he was (and I'll include the Tennessee game) 95-153 (approx 62% ETA: approx 4 pts higher than his career comp %), 1399 yds (266 per gm), 9 TD 4 INT.

 

 

 

His best performance? Certainly not vs Jax or Tennessee. Any reason to apologize for the job he did, as a whole, during that run? Anyone with sense blaming him for the team's failure to tackle anyone, or to stop one important drive at the end of a game? Certainly not. If the interview pre-dated opening week , and I clearly stated I didn't know when it took place, he had lost 1 in a row...a game in which he played 1 quarter.

 

I thought you were "done with" me, but go ahead and keep jumping at me. You were incensed that I had the audacity to accuse you of something without knowing you. You, of course, do the same thing with McNabb. You accuse him of making these statements because of his hidden agenda, the pre-emptive strike as you've called it repeatedly; his desire to deflect and dodge criticism of his play.

 

Maybe he said what he said because he believes it to be true. They asked him.

 

If only McNabb had taken the time in his interview to talk about something nice he did for a white kid, or some white person he went on vacation with. Then we'd all know he's not racist, right?

[JT 137]

bottom line: if you perform, no one will criticize.

 

If you perform, no one will criticize?

 

Manning posted some of the best years a QB has ever had in the NFL, but people rode the guy like a rented pony because his team didn't win the Super Bowl.

 

I understand that the ultimate goal of any team is to be a champion. But this notion that only one roster per year has players that have performed is idiotic.

[Phurfur 70]

If you perform, no one will criticize?

 

Manning posted some of the best years a QB has ever had in the NFL, but people rode the guy like a rented pony because his team didn't win the Super Bowl.

 

 

And he never whined about it, he became more determined. That is the difference between a winner and a loser.

 

I have heard plenty of comments on TV that you don't understand the situation unless you are a black QB. My question is how can he understand what it is like being a white QB if he is not white? Doesn't it work both ways?

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

If you perform, no one will criticize?

 

Manning posted some of the best years a QB has ever had in the NFL, but people rode the guy like a rented pony because his team didn't win the Super Bowl.

Thus proving that white QBs get criticized as well.

 

But in context, this is more specific to Philly fans and media, as some of us have offered several times. In this occasion, because of the team he plays for and in light of the fact that white QBs are under just as much pressure and face just as much scrutiny indicates that McNabb incorrectly played the race card.

 

Topic over.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

And he never whined about it, he became more determined. That is the difference between a winner and a loser.

 

agreed.

 

ok, NOW topic ovah.

[JT 137]

And he never whined about it, he became more determined. That is the difference between a winner and a loser.

 

Manning never whined? The guy was crucified by the media and fans for the faces he made on the field, his expressions and body language ripped apart by pundits.

[rogue_reptile 0]

Donovan "HUGH F-ING HEAD" McNabb just needs to STFU & play! BTW is it me or is his head getting bigger by the day? Seriously it literally looks like its growing!

Of course the media is gona criticize star players QBs or not. Guys like Manning own up to their mistakes & use them to make themselves better players. McNabb sits there & points the figure at the press causing a back lash & the media sicks it too guys that do that. It sells more papers! When star players own up to their mistakes what is the media gona do? Not much just wait till the next game to see if those mistakes happen again or not.

McNabb needs to spend all the energy whinning about the media & use it to either pratice harder or whine to the Phily GM to go out & get a WR or 2!

"Im black & no one likes me, cry cry cry" - hell im white & no one every gave my $hit i didn't go out & earn myself! Your a god damed millionair that will never have to work another day in your life after football STFU already - hell for one of his game checks people can call me a drunk mic, white trash, casper, redneck, whigger, white boy douch everyday of the week! Big F-ing deal if I dont know you I dont care what you think aobut me. Hey Donovan "Mr. Patato Head Face" McNabb try living check to check & week to week before you open your mouth to complain about someone criticizing you! Some people have bigger issues then you'll ever know.

Hey Donovan "Is that a tumor!" McNabb ask Kevin Everett if he cares what people think about he's play now!

"Im black & its all whites fault!" Great example for the kids there TARD!

[JT 137]

It's no dumber than you implying that the same doesn't hold true for McNabb.

 

Where did I imply that all of either race was a supporter or detractor of McNabb's?

 

Thanks for playing.

[slamNJ 0]

The fact of the matter is that people are always going to have something to say about your performance in a game. There are legions upon legions of journalists, broadcasters, analysts and plain old know-it-alls that are going to ride your butt into the ground because that's what they get paid to do. The whole idea of the "Monday Morning QB" was coined for that very reason. There are 31 quarterbacks at the end of each season that get dissected by the media because there can only be one winner. That being said, it is all about how you handle it. Peyton has done his share of finger-pointing ("Let's just say we had protection issues") but in the end, you are ultimately judged by the number in the win column. As the face of the organization, McNabb needs to realize that comes with the job. You take the good with the bad. If McNabb won the Super Bowl, he would be labeled a hero and be a media darling. Race has nothing to do with it.

[itsbigmoni 1]

And he never whined about it, he became more determined. That is the difference between a winner and a loser.

 

 

Lets face it.. we had some oline problems today.

[Mephisto 15]

I've watched excerpts from the interview and am shocked and saddened. To watch him "stand by" his comments that most people didn't want an African American to play quarterback is just shocking to me. I can't explain why, but I have lost a great deal of respect for his constant and escalating whining and pissing and moaning. It's very distressing.

[Guest _my_2_cents_]

I just watched my DVR'd inside the NFL - Chris Carter tore McNabb a new one. He discussed them having 90-100 million contracts, so they're supported plenty. He also made an excellent point that while all QBs are criticized, black QBs are especailly sensitive to the criticism.

 

Thank you Chris Carter - you are the man.

 

 

I guess he's racist too...

[De Novo 0]

But I will say this. I think what McNabb said is absolutely true. Limbaugh is a perfect example. There was no reason for him to make the politically charged statement he did unless he believed that blacks as Qbs are inferior. Otherwise, why say that the media is desirous of having a successful black QB. That in itself implies that blacks are less capable of playing the position and need the media to make them out to be better than they are. If he thought McNabb was overrated he could have done so without using race as the prominent issue.

I was also going to stay out of this, but I disagree with your logic. You say that Limbaugh commented on McNabb's skin color because he felt that black QBs were less capable of playing the position. Insert "attractive" in place of "black" and "Anna Kournikova" in place of "Donovan McNabb" and the argument is just as true, but Rush wouldn't have been criticized for believing that attractive women were less capable of playing tennis. It would have just been a painfully obvious observation about what the media desires.

 

Attractive women may just be doing other things (modeling, having kids, etc.). Maybe there are differentially fewer successful black QBs than white QBs because racism exists at lower levels of football (PeeWee, high school, etc.) or maybe it's simply because the top black athletes are playing other positions.

 

Point is, Elway and Manning got ripped their entire careers before winning the championship. They had better fans than McNabb does, but that's hardly a black thing. This is the NFL for God's sake.... 60% or more of the league is black. There aren't hardly any black kickers or punters. Why not? Is it racism? I doubt it, but I guarantee that the next talented black kicker will get more media accolades than any equally talented white kicker. It's just how the media is. They highlight people who are different. And when that kicker fails, he's going to get more criticism. When there are close to as many successful black QBs as white QBs, the media won't make as big of a deal about it. Until then, it's gonna be talked about.

 

Maybe McNabb does get ripped more by some fans because he's black, there are racist people out there. I won't disupute this fact. As far as the media goes, I doubt it, but if he does maybe he also got undue accolades earlier because of his race?

[Hemi-Colon 0]

Joey Harrington, David Carr, Alex Smith ....you could go on and on. Any of them would give up first born sons to walk in in McNabb's shoes for one day let alone a season or career. Would Donavan be whining so much if Jeff Garcia had not shown the City of "Brotherly" Love how a QB can produce while relying on nothing but ability, attentiveness in practice, and "Heart". So sick of the race card. Can you imagine how pissed off Tim Couch's mom is, that she never got that Chunky Soup commercial.

[VaTerp 0]

I was also going to stay out of this, but I disagree with your logic. You say that Limbaugh commented on McNabb's skin color because he felt that black QBs were less capable of playing the position. Insert "attractive" in place of "black" and "Anna Kournikova" in place of "Donovan McNabb" and the argument is just as true, but Rush wouldn't have been criticized for believing that attractive women were less capable of playing tennis. It would have just been a painfully obvious observation about what the media desires.

 

Attractive women may just be doing other things (modeling, having kids, etc.). Maybe there are differentially fewer successful black QBs than white QBs because racism exists at lower levels of football (PeeWee, high school, etc.) or maybe it's simply because the top black athletes are playing other positions.

 

Point is, Elway and Manning got ripped their entire careers before winning the championship. They had better fans than McNabb does, but that's hardly a black thing. This is the NFL for God's sake.... 60% or more of the league is black. There aren't hardly any black kickers or punters. Why not? Is it racism? I doubt it, but I guarantee that the next talented black kicker will get more media accolades than any equally talented white kicker. It's just how the media is. They highlight people who are different. And when that kicker fails, he's going to get more criticism. When there are close to as many successful black QBs as white QBs, the media won't make as big of a deal about it. Until then, it's gonna be talked about.

 

Maybe McNabb does get ripped more by some fans because he's black, there are racist people out there. I won't disupute this fact. As far as the media goes, I doubt it, but if he does maybe he also got undue accolades earlier because of his race?

 

Kournikova and McNabb are 2 completely different situations. Kournikova NEVER accomplished anything as a professional tennis player. I dont think she even won a single tournament. Her status was due ENTIRELY to the way she looked and not how she performed.

 

McNabb has had A LOT of success as a QB. Limbaugh discredited that success by basically saying that he was never any good to begin with and the accolades he received were simply due to the fact that the media wanted a successful black QB.

 

And after thinking about it further and seeing the context in which McNabb made his statements I take away my statements about the timing. McNabb made a statement based on his personal experience that black Qbs are criticized differently and a lil bit more than white Qbs. I agree.

 

Again people are trying to put his comments in a vacuum and act like he is saying that is the only reason he is criticized or use that as an excuse for when he doesnt play well. And that is simply not the case.

[De Novo 0]

Kournikova and McNabb are 2 completely different situations. Kournikova NEVER accomplished anything as a professional tennis player. I dont think she even won a single tournament. Her status was due ENTIRELY to the way she looked and not how she performed.

 

McNabb has had A LOT of success as a QB. Limbaugh discredited that success by basically saying that he was never any good to begin with and the accolades he received were simply due to the fact that the media wanted a successful black QB.

 

And after thinking about it further and seeing the context in which McNabb made his statements I take away my statements about the timing. McNabb made a statement based on his personal experience that black Qbs are criticized differently and a lil bit more than white Qbs. I agree.

 

Again people are trying to put his comments in a vacuum and act like he is saying that is the only reason he is criticized or use that as an excuse for when he doesnt play well. And that is simply not the case.

Kournikova has close to 20 doubles titles, reached the semifinals of Wimbledon, was a highly ranked player. She never won a tournament. McNabb never won a title. I understand the difference, but they both have the same knock. Can't win the big one. Thus, her status was not due ENTIRELY to how she looked. It played a big part.