SEATTLE 34 Green Bay 3

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

This year's D is head and shoulders better. Bryce Fisher was a starting DE along with Grant Wistrom. Kerney and Tapp are an upgrade over those two. Tru, Andre Dyson, Kelly Herndon, Jordan Babineaux, Michael Boulware, and Marquand Manuel all started in the secondary at various times. You telling me that you would take that group over Tru, Jennings, Russell, and Grant? Lofa and Hill were rookies and the other OLB was manned by DD lewis and kevin Bentley. You would take that group over pro bowl caliber Tatupu and Hill and Julian peterson? No way in hell in the 2005 D was as good as this D no matter what the #s tell you.

 

I don't disagree but I believe the same could be said for both the GB offense and defense.

[culboarder11 0]

I was just point out 1st the lack of good Teams the Seahawks faced and the lack of any solid dominate win they had....besides the 9ers games..

 

Seattle does not run up the score even though they easily could. In fact, Holmgren deliberately tries not to run up the score. Case in point, the Baltimore game was DOMINATED in every way by the Seahawks, then Holmgren started to go conservative and run the ball/ play prevent defense. The game could have EASILY been 45-0 if Holmgren let the guys play. Do not look at scores and think it was a closer game than it was.

 

Packer fans have been pointing to the schedule argument that Seattle hasnt played "anyone good" all season. That was the exact same crap that Redskins fans were talking about last week and look how that turned out.

[culboarder11 0]

The Redskins game was dominated by Seattle the whole game except for about 5 minutes. That was with Seattle's best player (Hasselbeck) having a poor game. The only reason Washington went on that 84 yard drive in the 3rd was because Seattle's offense couldnt sustain a drive for a long time and the defense was on the field too long.

 

If Seattle's offense has a better game vs the Packers than last weekend (which shouldnt be too hard), this game could be very scary for GB.

 

Seattle 28

GB 24

[culboarder11 0]

But you're fooling yourself if you think the pressure is on Green Bay...after losing like they did the last time they were at Lambeau, after their up-and-down season with no SA production, with GB having a week off, Seattle is under the gun to do something or face an embarrassing off-season with a one-and-done playoff appearance.

 

You can say that you think they'll win, but don't try and fool yourself into thinking the pressure is on GB. This is a home game against a team they should handle. Seattle's going to have to take the game, and it's up to them to do so...best of luck...

 

Are you kidding me? The pressure is ALL on Green Bay. Most people are picking them to advance to the Super Bowl. No one gives any respect the Seattle. There was pressure on Seattle last week to win a game they were supposed to win at home. They did that. Now its GBs turn to take the pressure, they are heavily favored, are playing at home, and the higher seed.

 

Seattle is always underrated no matter what game they play. Even last game vs the Redskins, people were "CONVINCED" that Washington would win the game because of the 21 factor and the "poor schedule" argument against Seattle, they are weak against the run, blah blah blah.

 

The pressure is ALL on Green Bay.

[t.j 35]

Am I the only one here that recognizes that home field advantage is going to make all the difference in this game?

 

Unbelievable.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

The Redskins game was dominated by Seattle the whole game except for about 5 minutes. That was with Seattle's best player (Hasselbeck) having a poor game. The only reason Washington went on that 84 yard drive in the 3rd was because Seattle's offense couldnt sustain a drive for a long time and the defense was on the field too long.

 

If Seattle's offense has a better game vs the Packers than last weekend (which shouldnt be too hard), this game could be very scary for GB.

 

Seattle 28

GB 24

 

Green Bay had the #2 ranked offense in the NFL behind NE this year. Washington's offense was ranked 15th. Do you think Seattle may be a little more concerned about Favre and the Packers in Lambeau than they were about Todd Collins and the Redskins in Seattle?

[BMoney 0]

Very Likely already been said 4 times.

 

Holmgren- 0-3 in Lambeau as Seattle coach.

 

 

besides the 99 meeting that i had mentioned...won 27-7 by seattle...

 

are you REALLY counting the jan 1, 2006 win by gb when seattle rested everyone after SA got the td record? it was brett favres farewell day III...i wouldnt count that one as a win..but if it helps your argument..go for it, i guess...

[The Hood 9]

Yup...bad showing in terrible weather.

Think that is the exception or the rule?

1-5 against the Bears the last 3 years. The one win came last year in a week 17 game that meant absolutely nothing to the Bears. I'd say it has become the rule.

[Sho Nuff 720]

1-5 against the Bears the last 3 years. The one win came last year in a week 17 game that meant absolutely nothing to the Bears. I'd say it has become the rule.

 

We are talking about this season...and how the team is...not just against the Bears...but nice try.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

1-5 against the Bears the last 3 years. The one win came last year in a week 17 game that meant absolutely nothing to the Bears. I'd say it has become the rule.

 

Why are you here thumping your chest about your recent wins against the Packers? Can't you see this thread is for playoff teams only? Seattle and Green Bay are in the playoffs and therefore are still relevant in the 2007-2008 season. The Bears are not.

[culboarder11 0]

Green Bay had the #2 ranked offense in the NFL behind NE this year. Washington's offense was ranked 15th. Do you think Seattle may be a little more concerned about Favre and the Packers in Lambeau than they were about Todd Collins and the Redskins in Seattle?

 

But Washington's offense was lead by JAson Campbell most of the season and they played way better with Collins under center. At least that is the answer Redskin fans had last week leading up to the game.

[cheeseboy 0]

Am I the only one here that recognizes that home field advantage is going to make all the difference in this game?

 

Unbelievable.

When you combine playoff losses to Atlanta and the Vikings and taking OT to beat the 'hawks last time, I'm not relying on homefield for anything...

 

That said, I'm very happy the game's in GB and not Seattle...but I don't think it will be THE deciding factor in the game. Unfortunately.

[donhaas 19]

Why are you here thumping your chest about your recent wins against the Packers? Can't you see this thread is for playoff teams only? Seattle and Green Bay are in the playoffs and therefore are still relevant in the 2007-2008 season. The Bears are not.

 

Don't worry.... I got something for him and the rest of the Bears fans in this thread....

 

 

 

This one's in Paris!!!

 

Tres Bien!!!

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

But Washington's offense was lead by JAson Campbell most of the season and they played way better with Collins under center. At least that is the answer Redskin fans had last week leading up to the game.

 

OK. Swap Collins for Campbell. Does it change anything I said?

 

Green Bay had the #2 ranked offense in the NFL behind NE this year. Washington's offense was ranked 15th. Do you think Seattle may be a little more concerned about Favre and the Packers in Lambeau than they were about Jason Campell and the Redskins in Seattle?

[cheeseboy 0]

Are you kidding me? The pressure is ALL on Green Bay. Most people are picking them to advance to the Super Bowl. No one gives any respect the Seattle. There was pressure on Seattle last week to win a game they were supposed to win at home. They did that. Now its GBs turn to take the pressure, they are heavily favored, are playing at home, and the higher seed.

 

Seattle is always underrated no matter what game they play. Even last game vs the Redskins, people were "CONVINCED" that Washington would win the game because of the 21 factor and the "poor schedule" argument against Seattle, they are weak against the run, blah blah blah.

 

The pressure is ALL on Green Bay.

As I said before (and read earlier in the thread if you want all the details), I think the Packers match up well with Seattle and are in a position where if they play within themselves, play the game they've won with over 30 points, I don't think Seattle has a chance. If Seattle's going to win, they are going to have to play ABOVE themselves...do something they haven't done so far. Turn in GREAT DB play...find a dominant running game...stop at least one phase of the Packer offense...

 

It's a LOT harder to play above yourself than within yourself, and the pressure's on Seattle to go on the road and be someone they haven't been all year to win than it is for Green Bay to be who they are and hold serve.

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how come you dont include yourself when u say who has posted?

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how come you dont include yourself when u say who has posted?

 

Because those numbers are tallied BEFORE his post. Elementary, Watson.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Yup...bad showing in terrible weather.

Think that is the exception or the rule?

 

And what was our game against Carolina? And we had to travel across the country.

 

With that kid they were playing at QB at the end of the year, Carolina was on about the same level as the Bears (maybe Hester gives them a slight edge). At least our game was close.

[BMoney 0]

Because those numbers are tallied BEFORE his post. Elementary, Watson.

 

then he should say...those who posted in this thread BEFORE this post.....

 

 

because he has posted also...its as if hes mocking people but he has 1 post himself........

 

damn, im up to 22 and for what...

[FlaHawker 24]

I don't disagree but I believe the same could be said for both the GB offense and defense.

Apples and oranges. The Seahawks of 2005 and 2007 were being discussed. GB didn't factor into the thread. But you are correct.

[FlaHawker 24]

I completely agree...we're going to see the best of both teams, just like 2003, and it's going to be a 12 round fight. Playoff's are a different animal, and if you take either teams' performance this coming Saturday to one of those letdown games, you'd see a completely different outcome.

 

I think it comes down to which, if any Seattle WR steps up to a true #1 threat, is GB's running game as much of a threat as Grant's numbers down the stretch indicate, and which O-line plays the best.

 

In the end, I think the Packer's WR's are better, Seattle's secondary is weaker, D-Line, LB's, and O-line are wash. I see the Packers having more success in the air, Seattle struggling against our DB's, and a slight edge to the Packer's running game.

 

If the Seattle WR's step up, if their O-line steps up, and the Packers can't run...it could be a whole different day. Which is why I said before that the pressure is on the Seahawks...they have to play outside themselves to win, GB just needs to play within themselves.

The Seahawks were not the team that finished 13-3 with a bye. The pressure is squarely on GB because could they be 13-3 again next year without Favre? We'll see how the young guns (Jennings, Grant, Jones) hold up. I do agre with your assessment that Ryan Grant is the key to the game. If he runs wild the Hawks get blown out. If the Hawks contain him the way they contained Portis, big advantage Seattle.

 

The Seattle secondary weak? Trufant and Jennings are playing top caliber ball and Grant and Russell are two savy veteran safeties. The hawk LBs are monsters and will make life miserable for Favre if the Pack running game stalls. The Seahawks don't have a legit # 1 WR but in this offesne they don't need one. All four (Branch, Engram, Hackett, and Burleson) are capable of above average days. The Pack won't be able to simply say we are going to take away so and so. It doesn't matter; the other three are just as capable.

 

The Seahawks are who they are--A one dimensional offense that will win or lose on the arm of Hasselbeck. If Hass has a game like last week, chances are the Hawks lose. But if he ups his game, and I feel he will, the D is so good that the Hawks don't have to play outside themselves.--Just do what you do.

 

Hawks--23

Packers--20

[cheeseboy 0]

The pressure is squarely on GB because could they be 13-3 again next year without Favre?

 

Huh?? You think that's anyone's focus Saturday? You think that has something to do with "pressure"??

 

 

But if he ups his game, and I feel he will, the D is so good that the Hawks don't have to play outside themselves.--Just do what you do.

Well...that's kind of the point, Seattle has the pressure of upping their game to have a shot at winning...they play down like they did the first 3 quarters last week, on the road, against a MUCH better team and it won't be close. They can't do what they do, they have to do more. The Packers can survive having a 90% game, the 'hawks can't...

 

And look at it...who's under more pressure: Jax or NE? SD or Indy? You going to say Indy?? NE?? No...the home team has the cushion that the road team doesn't...there's a reason Seattle's seeded lower than the Packers...they aren't as good of a team, and they have to play up on the road to have a chance.

 

But, in the end it's stupid argument don't you think? Both are under huge pressure...and it's not the deciding factor in the game, it's really irrelevant about 45 sec. after kick off, and it's not what we're going to flame about after the game are we? Matchups, coaching, hell...even weather will matter...pressure won't even rank in the top 10.

[FlaHawker 24]

Huh?? You think that's anyone's focus Saturday? You think that has something to do with "pressure"??

Well...that's kind of the point, Seattle has the pressure of upping their game to have a shot at winning...they play down like they did the first 3 quarters last week, on the road, against a MUCH better team and it won't be close. They can't do what they do, they have to do more. The Packers can survive having a 90% game, the 'hawks can't...

 

And look at it...who's under more pressure: Jax or NE? SD or Indy? You going to say Indy?? NE?? No...the home team has the cushion that the road team doesn't...there's a reason Seattle's seeded lower than the Packers...they aren't as good of a team, and they have to play up on the road to have a chance.

 

But, in the end it's stupid argument don't you think? Both are under huge pressure...and it's not the deciding factor in the game, it's really irrelevant about 45 sec. after kick off, and it's not what we're going to flame about after the game are we? Matchups, coaching, hell...even weather will matter...pressure won't even rank in the top 10.

Again you are wrong. Hass played a subpar game. All he has to do is play his normal game; that has nothing to do with upping anything. The Redskins match up well with the Hawks. Heck back in 05 the Hawks struggled to beat them 20-10. Don't look at that game and assume the Hawks are going to play the same way. One game has nothing to do with the next.

 

How can the Hawks be under pressure? A ton of people had the cinderella Redskins beating them at home. Plus ya know the Hawks play in the weak NFC West and had a cake schedule this year. No one has expectations for the Hawks. Now GB on the other hand has a ton of expectations since they went 13-3. Everyone has been talking about a Dallas/GB rematch in the NFC Championship game and who would have home field advantage. No one ever mentioned Seattle. Plus, you guys don't want to talk about it, but without Favre this is not a 13-3 team. Good luck going into next season having to groom a new QB. So yes there is pressure on the Pack in that the Farve window is closing, but you can overlook all that and some how say the pressure is on Seattle

[culboarder11 0]

Huh?? You think that's anyone's focus Saturday? You think that has something to do with "pressure"??

Well...that's kind of the point, Seattle has the pressure of upping their game to have a shot at winning...they play down like they did the first 3 quarters last week, on the road, against a MUCH better team and it won't be close. They can't do what they do, they have to do more. The Packers can survive having a 90% game, the 'hawks can't...

 

And look at it...who's under more pressure: Jax or NE? SD or Indy? You going to say Indy?? NE?? No...the home team has the cushion that the road team doesn't...there's a reason Seattle's seeded lower than the Packers...they aren't as good of a team, and they have to play up on the road to have a chance.

 

But, in the end it's stupid argument don't you think? Both are under huge pressure...and it's not the deciding factor in the game, it's really irrelevant about 45 sec. after kick off, and it's not what we're going to flame about after the game are we? Matchups, coaching, hell...even weather will matter...pressure won't even rank in the top 10.

 

As already stated by FlaHawker, Hasselbeck had a bad game last weekend. If he plays like he should and has played in big games for the past few years, then that will not be upping their game, it will be playing the way they should.

 

As far as pressure goes, I bet that if you did a poll on who was under more pressure in this game: GB or Seattle. 90% would say GB, with the other 10% consisting of you and a few people who are in denial/don't know what they are talking about.

 

Edited to add that Flahawker makes a great point that there is a ton of pressure on GB to perform while Favre is still in the league.

[scherber830 0]

If it's cold/snowing/windy Green Bay will be favored. Both passing games will struggle, as we saw in the GB/Bears game. The Seattle pass rush will be neutralized and the Packer's running game and O Line have been better than Seattle IMO.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

As already stated by FlaHawker, Hasselbeck had a bad game last weekend. If he plays like he should and has played in big games for the past few years, then that will not be upping their game, it will be playing the way they should.

 

As far as pressure goes, I bet that if you did a poll on who was under more pressure in this game: GB or Seattle. 90% would say GB, with the other 10% consisting of you and a few people who are in denial/don't know what they are talking about.

 

Edited to add that Flahawker makes a great point that there is a ton of pressure on GB to perform while Favre is still in the league.

 

at you tools b!tching at eachother about who has more "pressure" in this game. It's a playoff game and they both need to win or they go home. That's all the pressure either team needs.

[Sho Nuff 720]

And what was our game against Carolina? And we had to travel across the country.

 

With that kid they were playing at QB at the end of the year, Carolina was on about the same level as the Bears (maybe Hester gives them a slight edge). At least our game was close.

 

Exactly why bringing up the game was pointless...both teams had their struggles in bad weather.

And the weather was much worse in Chicago than in Carolina.

I think we can all admit those were bad losses...and the exceptions to each team's season, and not the rule.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Again you are wrong. Hass played a subpar game. All he has to do is play his normal game; that has nothing to do with upping anything. The Redskins match up well with the Hawks. Heck back in 05 the Hawks struggled to beat them 20-10. Don't look at that game and assume the Hawks are going to play the same way. One game has nothing to do with the next.

 

Same can be said about your D. Kerney was facing a rookie backup RT, and Todd Collins in a 5 step drop.

A bit different from Mark Tauscher, Favre and a 3 step drop.

 

How can the Hawks be under pressure? A ton of people had the cinderella Redskins beating them at home. Plus ya know the Hawks play in the weak NFC West and had a cake schedule this year. No one has expectations for the Hawks. Now GB on the other hand has a ton of expectations since they went 13-3. Everyone has been talking about a Dallas/GB rematch in the NFC Championship game and who would have home field advantage. No one ever mentioned Seattle. Plus, you guys don't want to talk about it, but without Favre this is not a 13-3 team. Good luck going into next season having to groom a new QB. So yes there is pressure on the Pack in that the Farve window is closing, but you can overlook all that and some how say the pressure is on Seattle

 

While there is pressure on the Packers in that way...I don't see the team as buying into it.

Instead of laying on the beach in Cancun...they were focusing...taking in film sessions and so on.

It might be where the youth helps a bit...they are hungry to keep winning. They know that people doubted them basically all year long and were never even supposed to be 13-3.

 

And you can keep talking about going into next season to groom a QB...does not mean it will come true.

If it does...it means good times in GB...as the only way I see Favre retiring is if the Packers win it all.

Oh...and they have been grooming a QB for 3 years now. If he can only stay healthy.

[Sho Nuff 720]

If it's cold/snowing/windy Green Bay will be favored. Both passing games will struggle, as we saw in the GB/Bears game. The Seattle pass rush will be neutralized and the Packer's running game and O Line have been better than Seattle IMO.

 

If its that windy...passing games will struggle.

Cold and snow. Not as much of an issue.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Exactly why bringing up the game was pointless...both teams had their struggles in bad weather.

And the weather was much worse in Chicago than in Carolina.

I think we can all admit those were bad losses...and the exceptions to each team's season, and not the rule.

 

ok, understood and agreed.

[t.j 35]

The pressure argument is idiotic. I could see it maybe if you were talking about a team like the 4th Bills Super Bowl team or the Eagles after having gone to so many NFC Championship games in a row. There's no reason Green Bay has more pressure on them than any other playoff team.

[donhaas 19]

The pressure argument is idiotic.

 

This is when you know the thread has jumped the shark.

There's just nothing to talk about here....

 

 

You'll notice that I haven't posted in awhile....

 

 

Where there's generally no rivalry and no heated history (both on the field and with the fans) you just have boring ass threads.

 

This might be the point where we need the talents of a Seattle Swamp dog or a Seahawk Pimpdaddy

[Groundhog 24]

as said earlier, the key to this game is Ryan Grant. If the Seattle front 7 can control him, the Hawks can keep the safeties deep to handle the Pack's passing game, and then this game is up for grabs. If they have to creep up to help out on run defense, Favre will run roughshod over this team.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

as said earlier, the key to this game is Ryan Grant. If the Seattle front 7 can control him, the Hawks can keep the safeties deep to handle the Pack's passing game, and then this game is up for grabs. If they have to creep up to help out on run defense, Favre will run roughshod over this team.

 

Seattle safeties deep.......quick slants. Seattle safeties creep up......go route. And I like Grant's chances. Think for a moment on how Shaun Alexander runs. Now think the complete opposite and you have Ryan Grant.

[Groundhog 24]

Seattle safeties deep.......quick slants. Seattle safeties creep up......go route. And I like Grant's chances. Think for a moment on how Shaun Alexander runs. Now think the complete opposite and you have Ryan Grant.

 

If the safeties help deep, the CBs will be more able to line up on top of Driver and Jennings, jam them at the line, and throw off their timing on slants.

 

However, you're right about SA. You can clock his burst through the line with a sundial.

[Groundhog 24]

Another key to the game: the play of DT Rocky Bernard. If he's 100%, he's as good a run-stopper as anyone out there. Think Grady Jackson minus about 75 pounds but just as hard to move. If he can help clog up the middle, Grant's one-cut-and-go style might not work as well as it normally does.

[BMoney 0]

all i know is....if that game had been today, it wouldve been mudbowl 08...

[Little Big Head 6]

Packer 31

Seattle 24

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