Tony Romo

[The Next Generation 10]

The numbers don't lie. Why did they change the game plan with Garcia? Because they could. Garcia's much better suited for the O that Philly wants to run given their personnel. (Giants can get away with it because they have horses in the backfield). Anybody who watches McNabb will tell you the numbers don't lie either; McNabb - (for some wierd reason - maybe, injury, fear of INT's?) throws at WR's shins. He's got the lowest strike zone in the league. That leads to a low % - and to more losses than wins.

 

I disagree with the "because they could" part. But I definitely agree with you on the WC offense being a bad fit for McNabb. He would have been even better on a traditional offense. Also, I think some of McNabb's accuracy problems are him not wanting to either trust the receiver and/or throw the INT.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

Well philly fans lets use the line ya'll like to throw out when someone talks about superbowl rings. Quit living in the past. McNabb hasn't done anything the last three years and his team has finished last in their division 2 out of 3 years with him as a starter.

 

I'd rather use the one about Dallas not winning a playoff game in over 10 years with a coach who's never won a playoff game ever.

[wiffleball 4,790]

I'm gonna guess when Reid says he didn't change the gameplan for McNabb, that may have been a giveaway. Not sure.

 

Who won every game while being an Eagle?

 

Uh, you're gonna have to give me a link for that, because anybody with at least half an ounce of knowledge - let alone an "expert" like you would know that Andy Reid himself admitted to turning over the play calling to Marty Morninweg after McNabb went down that maybe, just maybe, the play calling changed between McNabb and Garcia. Look it up, it's all over the internets.

 

..But then again, you can't even keep track of who posted what.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

Agree and well put. I think Dallas fans and the media have been way too quick to anoint him as the next great QB. I'm a Steelers fan and I don't even pretend to put Ben into that category. In fact, I believe the Steelers won a bit in spite of the way Ben played. However, I don't believe you can base a QB's future on where he went to college nor necessarily what he did there. I do however agree the clearer indicator is the fact that he couldn't crack what was obviously a poor QB position on the Cowboys for 3 yrs. He has some tendencies to freelance and weaknesses that the greatness of his receives, Witten and TO in particular, cover up. And I think that when the pressure gets cranked up, well, the neckline of his jersey seems to get a bit too tight for his comfort. Admittedly, the spot light in Dallas is very bright and very hot. For all his incredible regular season success, even his playoff wins, Peyton didn't get the monkey off his back until he won the superbowl, and in fact if he doesn't get there again, it will probably considered a fluke. Romo hasn't even won a playoff game and cost the Cowboys last year a gimme against Seattle, and didn't particularly pick the team up on his shoulders this year. He's the 1st QB I'd pick for my FF team from that division, but the 3rd one I'd pick right now if I had to win an important game in real life.

[Eagles Green 34]

Not sure where all the Romo choke talk is coming from.

 

He bobbled a slick ball against Seattle and damn near ended up running it in for a TD. As a matter of fact, didn't they change the rules seperating kicking balls from regular balls after that?

 

What did he do to choke against the Giants? He made 1 bad throw to TO that I saw. Fasano dropped a TD pass, Crayton dropped what would have been a huge gain and then stopped running on another pass that would have been a TD. He didn't throw but one interception and that was at the very tail end of the game.

 

Granted it wasn't one of his best games, but it sure as hell wasn't one of his worst. Not even close.

 

That loss was more the WR's and O-lines fault that Romo's fault.

Slick ball.

 

I guess all the other players were using the sticky ball.

 

And bad timing/repertoire with Wrs is better solved with practice, not vacations with a walking STD.

[wiffleball 4,790]

That loss was more the WR's and O-lines fault that Romo's fault.

 

...also had a lot to do with a certain hot commodity, highest-paid OC ever completely abandoning the run. Worked so well for Dallas that Green Bay tried the same thing.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

Uh, you're gonna have to give me a link for that, because anybody with at least half an ounce of knowledge - let alone an "expert" like you would know that Andy Reid himself admitted to turning over the play calling to Marty Morninweg after McNabb went down that maybe, just maybe, they play calling changed between McNabb and Garcia. Look it up, it's all over the internets.

 

..But then again, you can't even keep track of who posted what.

 

Um, the gameplan is done by Reid, with the help of MM, and Marty calls the plays (with Reid listening in).

 

And believe it or not, before the invention of the internets, people actually listened to pre and post game press conferences, and that is where they got their information from. As it happens, Andy Reid has said that he hasn't deviated from THE GAMEPLAN (you know, the one he and MM devise before a game) even with the McNabb injury.

 

I guess you would need to live in Philly, watch the local news, the press conferences, etc, to know that.

 

But you seem to know it all..............

[wiffleball 4,790]

Um, the gameplan is done by Reid, with the help of MM, and Marty calls the plays (with Reid listening in).

 

And believe it or not, before the invention of the internets, people actually listened to pre and post game press conferences, and that is where they got their information from. As it happens, Andy Reid has said that he hasn't deviated from THE GAMEPLAN (you know, the one he and MM devise before a game) even with the McNabb injury.

 

I guess you would need to live in Philly, watch the local news, the press conferences, etc, to know that.

 

But you seem to know it all..............

 

 

Uh, WHICH injury are YOU talking about? - Because it was AT that news conference after the WASH game last year that Ried announced he HAD turned over all the play calling to MM.

[Mackgee 0]

I say 3rd, discuss.

Mcnabb>>Eli>>H0mo>>the other guy

 

This guy vanishes the ENTIRE season until the Cowboys lose. He states nothing about the Eagles all year. Look up his posts from 2006 and compare them to 2007. He posted about 75% less this year. Can you say FAIR WEATHER. Tell me how many teams Philly has beaten that finished the season with an over .500 record in the last three years? Tell me what Mcnabb will be remembered most for in his career? I remember all the comments from Eagles fans about Eli the past few years. He was 0-2 in the playoffs until this year. Tony Romo still does not have two full seasons under his belt as a starter. Yes he lost in the playoffs this year, but that was far from his fault. Tell me what the Bucs and Packers say about that Giants team the Cowboys lost to. You wonder why Eagles fans are by far the worst in sports.

[Phurfur 70]

Not sure where all the Romo choke talk is coming from.

 

He bobbled a slick ball against Seattle and damn near ended up running it in for a TD. As a matter of fact, didn't they change the rules seperating kicking balls from regular balls after that?

 

What did he do to choke against the Giants? He made 1 bad throw to TO that I saw. Fasano dropped a TD pass, Crayton dropped what would have been a huge gain and then stopped running on another pass that would have been a TD. He didn't throw but one interception and that was at the very tail end of the game.

 

Granted it wasn't one of his best games, but it sure as hell wasn't one of his worst. Not even close.

 

That loss was more the WR's and O-lines fault that Romo's fault.

 

 

I guess you don't get it. This is what I saw out of Romo, the 'Boys had the ball twice under 4 minutes with great field position and couldn't get it done. Now this was not an overachieving team carried by their QB all year, but a team loaded with 13 pro bowlers. On Dallas last drive they had the ball on the NYG 48 with 1:47 left. It took Romo 1 minute to gain their first 8 yards. In the end he couldn’t score because he ran out of time and was forced to go into the end zone. He looked rattled and out of his element. This was not the play of the next great QB in the NFL. Call him what he is, a fifth year QB that still needs allot more work and experience.

 

If the loss is on the WR and O-line then the wins must be on them too. You can't have it both ways.

[Eagles Green 34]

This guy vanishes the ENTIRE season until the Cowboys lose. He states nothing about the Eagles all year. Look up his posts from 2006 and compare them to 2007. He posted about 75% less this year. Can you say FAIR WEATHER. Tell me how many teams Philly has beaten that finished the season with an over .500 record in the last three years? Tell me what Mcnabb will be remembered most for in his career? I remember all the comments from Eagles fans about Eli the past few years. He was 0-2 in the playoffs until this year. Tony Romo still does not have two full seasons under his belt as a starter. Yes he lost in the playoffs this year, but that was far from his fault. Tell me what the Bucs and Packers say about that Giants team the Cowboys lost to. You wonder why Eagles fans are by far the worst in sports.

Yeah, I work...a lot. You should try it, then you can move out of your fat Mom's basement.

 

And I know a team that the Eagles beat in the last 3 years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wait for it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here it comes

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THE GIANTS!!!!.......IN THE PLAYOFFS.

[Phurfur 70]

...also had a lot to do with a certain hot commodity, highest-paid OC ever completely abandoning the run. Worked so well for Dallas that Green Bay tried the same thing.

 

 

Actually I would put that one on the NYG. GB tried to run, they just couldn't. the NYG defense was too tough. In Dallas' case they were successful running the ball and abandoned it, GB never got it started. Let's give NY a little credit here.

[Jwood 0]

In the end he couldn’t score because he ran out of time and was forced to go into the end zone. He looked rattled and out of his element. This was not the play of the next great QB in the NFL. Call him what he is, a fifth year QB that still needs allot more work and experience.

 

If the loss is on the WR and O-line then the wins must be on them too. You can't have it both ways.

 

I never said he was the next great QB in the NFL. I just don't think he can be labled a "choker" based on 2 playoff games. Neither of which he played badly.

 

Here's how I place the blame on the Cowboy's loss:

 

1. Game Planning/Play Calling

2. Penalties

3. Dropped passes/bad routes

4. Poor tackling

5. Piss poor coverages in the secondary.

6. Finally, I guess you could blame Romo for overthrowing TO and for getting an intentional grounding.

 

Point is I don't think it's fair to call Romo a "choker" when he's clearly not the reason they lost. Had Fasano not dropped a TD, Crayton not stopped on a perfectly thrown TD pass, Crayton not dropped a ball with PLENTY of room to run, then Romo "choking" isn't even being discussed.

[wiffleball 4,790]

You wonder why Eagles fans are by far the worst in sports.

 

Uh, because they so efficiently combine the ignorant white trash of the West Virginia Hillrats with the obnoxiousness of NY, with the sleaziness of the Guidos in Jersey - All while residing along the Crystal Meth pipline of the world?

[Jwood 0]

If the loss is on the WR and O-line then the wins must be on them too. You can't have it both ways.

 

Why not? They aren't mutually exclusive events.

[Mackgee 0]

Yeah, I work...a lot. You should try it, then you can move out of your fat Mom's basement.

 

And I know a team that the Eagles beat in the last 3 years.

Wait for it

Here it comes

THE GIANTS!!!!.......IN THE PLAYOFFS.

 

Yeah you need to work ALOT so your broke ass can get out of South Jersey. Let me guess Hardee's during the day and Jack in the Box at night = alot of work fat mom's basement dude maybe with all that work you do, you should take a class on humor.

[Mackgee 0]

I guess you don't get it. This is what I saw out of Romo, the 'Boys had the ball twice under 4 minutes with great field position and couldn't get it done. Now this was not an overachieving team carried by their QB all year, but a team loaded with 13 pro bowlers. On Dallas last drive they had the ball on the NYG 48 with 1:47 left. It took Romo 1 minute to gain their first 8 yards. In the end he couldn’t score because he ran out of time and was forced to go into the end zone. He looked rattled and out of his element. This was not the play of the next great QB in the NFL. Call him what he is, a fifth year QB that still needs allot more work and experience.

 

If the loss is on the WR and O-line then the wins must be on them too. You can't have it both ways.

 

How did arguably the greatest QB of all time look against that Giants D? I thought so.

[Phurfur 70]

How did arguably the greatest QB of all time look against that Giants D? I thought so.

 

Favre carried the youngest team in the NFL on his back all year, in the NFCC he succumbed to the elements and a better Giants team. GB was picked 3rd in the NFC North by many.

 

Now according to the Cowboys they were the better team so that falls on Romo. Dallas was picked to go to the SB by many.

[Eagles Green 34]

How did arguably the greatest QB of all time look against that Giants D? I thought so.

We'll find out in 2 weeks.

[Phurfur 70]

We'll find out in 2 weeks.

 

 

[The Hood 9]

I think the .500 record that McNabb put up vs. the 6 game winning streak into the playoffs that Garcia put up is all the answer you need.

McNabb was 5-4 before the game he got hurt. He got hurt early in the 2nd qtr, Garcia came in played more. They lost the game........who's the loss on? Garcia started and lost the next game then had a 4 game winning streak. Garcia only played one series week 17, AJ Feeley won that game.

 

McNabb completion % was 57% - 18 TD's 6 ints 95.5 QB rating

Garcia completion % was 61% - 10 TD's 2 ints 95.8 QB rating

 

Garcia was great the first couple wins but Westbrook and the D got them the next 2.

 

 

So going to need a real answer still.

[Eagles Green 34]

McNabb was 5-4 before the game he got hurt. He got hurt early in the 2nd qtr, Garcia came in played more. They lost the game........who's the loss on? Garcia started and lost the next game then had a 4 game winning streak. Garcia only played one series week 17, AJ Feeley won that game.

 

McNabb completion % was 57% - 18 TD's 6 ints 95.5 QB rating

Garcia completion % was 61% - 10 TD's 2 ints 95.8 QB rating

 

Garcia was great the first couple wins but Westbrook and the D got them the next 2.

So going to need a real answer still.

Don't bother, it won't sway the Mcnabb haters.

 

Just like I can't be talked out of my opinion that Tony Romo is the most overrated, underprepared, biggest fraud in the NFL.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

Uh, WHICH injury are YOU talking about? - Because it was AT that news conference after the WASH game last year that Ried announced he HAD turned over all the play calling to MM.

 

Do you know the difference between a gameplan and a play call? Obviously not given the statements that have come from you about it.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

Actually I would put that one on the NYG. GB tried to run, they just couldn't. the NYG defense was too tough. In Dallas' case they were successful running the ball and abandoned it, GB never got it started. Let's give NY a little credit here.

 

The Giants' defense has been playing lights out for the past few months. No doubt.

[wiffleball 4,790]

McNabb was 5-4 before the game he got hurt. He got hurt early in the 2nd qtr, Garcia came in played more. They lost the game........who's the loss on? Garcia started and lost the next game then had a 4 game winning streak. Garcia only played one series week 17, AJ Feeley won that game.

 

McNabb completion % was 57% - 18 TD's 6 ints 95.5 QB rating

Garcia completion % was 61% - 10 TD's 2 ints 95.8 QB rating

 

Garcia was great the first couple wins but Westbrook and the D got them the next 2.

So going to need a real answer still.

 

You are so full of shiit. You conveeeniently "forgot" the playoff game that Garcia won too. But, okay, not only did the back-up QB go on a 4 game winning streak, but he and the THIRD string QB both got more wins - sometimes against the same opponents than McNabb. In fact, they went on to a six-game winning streak well into the playoffs.

 

And btw- That's the second time that McPuussy's record was worse than his 2nd and 3rd string QB's.

 

And, uh, where was Westbrook and the D for the wins when McPuussy was around? You only going to give them credit when Garcia's playing, but not McNegro? Typical apologist logic.

 

Face it, bottom line is in 2 seperate years with 2 different back-ups, the back-up QB corps put together a hugely better winning percentage than McNabb did. - Beating the same opponents that McNabb lost to! At what point does that not sink in? At what point do you start figuring out that hmmm...... If the team can win 4-5-6 games in a row WITHOUT McNabb, maybe his whining about "the team" isn't valid. Maybe it's not "the team", but the quarterback??

[Phurfur 70]

I never said he was the next great QB in the NFL. I just don't think he can be labled a "choker" based on 2 playoff games. Neither of which he played badly.

 

Here's how I place the blame on the Cowboy's loss:

 

1. Game Planning/Play Calling

2. Penalties

3. Dropped passes/bad routes

4. Poor tackling

5. Piss poor coverages in the secondary.

6. Finally, I guess you could blame Romo for overthrowing TO and for getting an intentional grounding.

 

Point is I don't think it's fair to call Romo a "choker" when he's clearly not the reason they lost. Had Fasano not dropped a TD, Crayton not stopped on a perfectly thrown TD pass, Crayton not dropped a ball with PLENTY of room to run, then Romo "choking" isn't even being discussed.

 

And when they win you see it like this:

 

1. Tony Romo

2. Tony Romo

3. Tony Romo

4. Tony Romo

5. Tony Romo

6. Tony Romo / TO

[The Hood 9]

You are so full of shiit. You conveeeniently "forgot" the playoff game that Garcia won too. But, okay, not only did the back-up QB go on a 4 game winning streak, but he and the THIRD string QB both got more wins - sometimes against the same opponents than McNabb. In fact, they went on to a six-game winning streak well into the playoffs.

 

And btw- That's the second time that McPuussy's record was worse than his 2nd and 3rd string QB's.

 

And, uh, where was Westbrook and the D for the wins when McPuussy was around? You only going to give them credit when Garcia's playing, but not McNegro? Typical apologist logic.

 

Face it, bottom line is in 2 seperate years with 2 different back-ups, the back-up QB corps put together a hugely better winning percentage than McNabb did. - Beating the same opponents that McNabb lost to! At what point does that not sink in? At what point do you start figuring out that hmmm...... If the team can win 4-5-6 games in a row WITHOUT McNabb, maybe his whining about "the team" isn't valid. Maybe it's not "the team", but the quarterback??

Wasn't ignoring the one playoff victory wildcard week. But why then do you give McNabb no credit for getting the Eagles to 4 straight Conferance championships and a Superbowl? Much better than Garcia ever did with any of his teams. And the only team Garcia beat that McNabb lost to was the Giants.

 

You state how Garcia was so much better for the Eagles than McNabb. I asked how? Their stats were just about the same. If it's just wins and losses than you do believe Grossman was the best NFC QB last year?

[49ers_suck 0]

nice fishing expedition eagles queen. you are an idiot. you're basing your ranking on what? the last few games of this year?

 

Romo will come out and prove to be the best of the NFC East QB's next season. he will develop the consistency, despite all the nay sayers.

 

mcknee is an injury waiting to happen. he'll probably sprain his axe wound next season, and you wont have to worry about where he'll rank.

[49ers_suck 0]

 

The Giants' defense has been playing lights out for the past few months. No doubt.

g-mens D didn't beat the Cowboys. the Cowboys beat themselves. too many miscues.

[NewbieJr 541]

You are so full of shiit. You conveeeniently "forgot" the playoff game that Garcia won too. But, okay, not only did the back-up QB go on a 4 game winning streak, but he and the THIRD string QB both got more wins - sometimes against the same opponents than McNabb. In fact, they went on to a six-game winning streak well into the playoffs.

 

And btw- That's the second time that McPuussy's record was worse than his 2nd and 3rd string QB's.

 

And, uh, where was Westbrook and the D for the wins when McPuussy was around? You only going to give them credit when Garcia's playing, but not McNegro? Typical apologist logic.

 

Face it, bottom line is in 2 seperate years with 2 different back-ups, the back-up QB corps put together a hugely better winning percentage than McNabb did. - Beating the same opponents that McNabb lost to! At what point does that not sink in? At what point do you start figuring out that hmmm...... If the team can win 4-5-6 games in a row WITHOUT McNabb, maybe his whining about "the team" isn't valid. Maybe it's not "the team", but the quarterback??

How did Garcia do with Cleveland and Detroit?

Jeff Garcia is a serviceable quarterback. He plays a very conservative game and his effectiveness is hit or miss. He's also a journeyman. McNabb is a proven winner and Pro Bowl participant. The Eagles had a no-brainer when it came to last off-season. If Garcia would have accepted back-up money, he could have stayed in Philly. Of course, he had a nice second half filling in for McNabb and wanted to be a starter somewhere.

When healthy, McNabb has the ability to win games for his team. He is a better deep passer than Garcia and he gives defenses something else to gameplan for. Garcia is just a decent QB who can occasionally do well when everything falls right. He could never get a team over the top.

 

When healthy, McNabb is still a top ten QB in this league, and probably top five as far as difficulty to gameplan against. You can't let a guy like that go in favor of a Jeff Garcia-type.

[wiffleball 4,790]

1) But why then do you give McNabb no credit for getting the Eagles to 4 straight Conferance championships and a Superbowl?

 

2) Much better than Garcia ever did with any of his teams.

 

3)You state how Garcia was so much better for the Eagles than McNabb. I asked how?

 

Let's do this by the numbers:

 

1) Who says I give him no credit? But you DO realize

A) That was 4-8 years ago.

 

b1) HALF the QB's in the NFC have gone to the Superbowl since McNabb started playing. - Not much of an accomplishment in this decade.

 

b2) And look at Donovan's competition. Since he started playing, the other THREE teams in his division combined to put together a mere SIX winning seasons in SEVEN YEARS! I mean hell, it's pretty damn easy to get to the playoffs when all the other guys in your divisions are playing sub .500 ball.

 

b3) You really can't give DMac credit for "4 straight Conf Champs" when in 2002 he only played 9.5 games and his replacements (once again) came in and won give straight. Again, that tells you it's more about the team than the QB when the back-ups have repeatedly come in and put together better win % than the starting QB.

 

2)...Which is why you can't compare Garcia's stint with say, the Lions vs. McNabb with the Iggles. Too many variables on a team-team comparison.

 

2a) But when you get the two QB's in the SAME team, the SAME year and the results are HUGELY different, then there's a valid basis for comparison. And, you've ignored that McNabb's completion percentage dropped radically in the last 4-5 games. After week 2, his % was repeatedly in the low .50's. - Which leads us to #3.

 

#3) I've already answered this in a thorough, researched and thought-out reply, and you've just conveeeniently ignored it. I'm not going to re-type the whole focking thing because of you, so please do go back and read it. The Iggles are trying to run the WCO - Which requires ACCURATE passing. NFL standard says you need to be in at least the low-mid .60's to have success with it. If you look at the playoff teams, you'll see the ones that are successful by and large have % numbers at or well above that.

 

Garcia came in and (if you factor out the ATL game where he threw 4 passes), he was throwing at just under .65. And, not surprisingly, that opened up the running game. People are wondering why they didn't do that with McNabb - it wasn't spite, it wasn't caprice, Westbrook wasn't holding back on him - it's because when half of your passes go incomplete, you can't set up / open up the run. So yeah, Mcnabb racks up huge passing yards - because he's consistently facing 3rd and long. But that's NOT the objective of the WCO. Like I said, given his capabilities, he's just in the wrong offense, wrong team.

 

So that's the second time I've explained it to you. Ask any football guy and they'll tell you the same thing. It's not because Mcnabb's black. Not b/c the team "rallied around" Jeff Garcia - a journeyman QB - more than their beloved starting QB. It's basic football. When half of your passes end up on the turf, teams will drop 7-8 in the box all day and take their chances that half of the 3rd and longs go incomplete even in minimal coverage.

 

[wiffleball 4,790]

When healthy, McNabb has the ability to win games for his team.....

When healthy, McNabb is still a top ten QB in this league...

 

You said it twice - "when healthy". Yeah, and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. The problem is, he's consistently NOT healthy. And I'm sorry, you can't be a great QB and play 9-10 games a year. You can't be a great QB if your %'s suck - but you have a good excuse. That's not how "great QB's" are measured.

 

I'm mean face it, half of being a "great QB" is BEING there. Especially in the late season. Look at his last eight years (not counting his rookie year where he didn't play a full season - not his fault): Out of those EIGHT years, he's missed games in HALF of those years. In three of those years, he's missed SIX or more games. That's not the sign of a great QB. Sure, there'd be a lot of great QB's - if it weren't for those pesky defenders....

 

Again, for the 10,000th time; When you take the SAME team in the SAME year and not just once, but TWICE the 2nd and 3rd string back-ups put together 4-5-6 game winning streaks when the Starting QB was barely managing .500 ball with the SAME team, SAME players, then there's really no more damning evidence than that. - And, while Ive explained exactly why it is that those backups succeeded (not because they're great - Detmer? Geesus!) , The Mcnabb apologists can only blame everybody else BUT the one consistent variable.

[Phurfur 70]

Romo will come out and prove to be the best of the NFC East QB's next season. he will develop the consistency, despite all the nay sayers.

 

And what do you base this on? How would you know this? You have been wrong about everything Cowboy related all year, why would we believe you now. You are nothing but a big blow hard with nothing but "Man Love" for Tony Romo to back it up.

 

 

 

 

 

g-mens D didn't beat the Cowboys. the Cowboys beat themselves. too many miscues.

 

Now you show your lack of knowledge about football in general. The g-mens D did beat the Cowboys. Don't you think the defense has something to do with miscues? Are you saying if the Giants had stayed in NY they would have won anyway? I saw that game and the Giants beat the Cowboys. They are the better team and are the best team in the NFC right now. Man up, I'm not a Giant's fan but at least I can admit when my team gets beat by a better team.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

g-mens D didn't beat the Cowboys. the Cowboys beat themselves. too many miscues.

 

The sounds of a sore loser.

 

No one wants to hear it. Dallas lost. They were beaten by the Giants. Romo sucked. They couldn't run the ball. Eli outperformed your boy.

 

Dallas came into the game unprepared. They were outcoached and outplayed. 'Nuff said.

[GhostofMeanMachine99 1]

How did Garcia do with Cleveland and Detroit?

Jeff Garcia is a serviceable quarterback. He plays a very conservative game and his effectiveness is hit or miss. He's also a journeyman. McNabb is a proven winner and Pro Bowl participant. The Eagles had a no-brainer when it came to last off-season. If Garcia would have accepted back-up money, he could have stayed in Philly. Of course, he had a nice second half filling in for McNabb and wanted to be a starter somewhere.

When healthy, McNabb has the ability to win games for his team. He is a better deep passer than Garcia and he gives defenses something else to gameplan for. Garcia is just a decent QB who can occasionally do well when everything falls right. He could never get a team over the top.

 

When healthy, McNabb is still a top ten QB in this league, and probably top five as far as difficulty to gameplan against. You can't let a guy like that go in favor of a Jeff Garcia-type.

Stop making sense, please.

 

The Eagles weren't gonna pay Garcia starting QB money. In hind sight, they should have, given that McNabb was clearly not healthy enough to play for most of this season.

 

Here's the real problem: your franchise QB would be healthy enough to play, yet not healthy enough to be effective. The franchise took a gamle that he would be, they were wrong. Not McNabb's fault. Now if they took the other route and the cautious approach, there would have been a season long QB controversy running.

 

Regardless if Garcia was coming back or not, Andy would have chosen Kolb with the second pick anyway. So you would have a franchise QB, a highly paid back-up and rent-a-starter in Garcia, the just resigned AJ Feeley, and a high round draft pick QB.

 

Way too much invested in one position.

 

Eagle management took a gamble on this season and lost. Nothing to see here, let's move on. McNabb is now 100% and ready to again lead this team back into the playoffs (as long as the Eagles get more weapons on offense).

[wiffleball 4,790]

Stop making sense, please.

 

The Eagles weren't gonna pay Garcia starting QB money. In hind sight, they should have, given that McNabb was clearly not healthy enough to play for most of this season.

 

Here's the real problem: your franchise QB would be healthy enough to play, yet not healthy enough to be effective. The franchise took a gamle that he would be, they were wrong. Not McNabb's fault. Now if they took the other route and the cautious approach, there would have been a season long QB controversy running.

 

Eagle management took a gamble on this season and lost. Nothing to see here, let's move on. McNabb is now 100% and ready to again lead this team back into the playoffs (as long as the Eagles get more weapons on offense).

 

The funny thing is, people keep saying that "the Eagles didn't want to pay Garcia starting QB money". Truth is, it was never about money. Feeley got a 3 year deal for $7mil.+ Garcia's got a 2 year for five. More than that, the Eagles never even made Garcia an offer of any kind. They wanted to go with the younger Feeley. So basically, they just made a bad choice. Feeley's never going to be as good as Garcia. The Eagles paid for it. They're at the bottom of the division while Garcia took a 4-12 team to the playoffs.

 

My belief is that Reid's man-crush on McNabb had more to do with it than anything. You're right on the QB controversy. By keeping the obviously inferior Feeley around, there's no controversy.

 

I do agree that McNabb shouldn't have played this year and that, if he's ever going to be good again, it may be next year. This type of injury ain't quite right until the 2nd year. Should have given Garcia the reigns, signed him to a two-year deal, drafted Kolb and cut Garcia if Mcnabb did well next year. The thing is, there's no guarantee that McNabb doesn't get hurt again next year. With a QB that's spent half his seasons missing games, you need to spend that extra on a quality back-up.

[Cruzer 1,995]

 

The sounds of a sore loser.

 

No one wants to hear it. Dallas lost. They were beaten by the Giants. Romo sucked. They couldn't run the ball. Eli outperformed your boy.

 

Dallas came into the game unprepared. They were outcoached and outplayed. 'Nuff said.

i agree w/parts of this - dallas got beat and we seemed unispired if nothing else. but dallas was able and did run the ball - often right down the giants throats. mb3 had like 80 yards in the first 1.5 quarters of the game - as a team dallas ended up with 154 yards rushing. the giants ended up with 90, actually it was the giants that had trouble running the ball. in fact, the giants were only able to accumulate 57 yards of offense in the entire 2nd half. unfortunately for us our special teams coverage sucked and that gave the giants a very short field on the 38 to push it in for a score. turns out that was all they needed. in reality, dallas dominated practically every statistical catagory in the game, cept the scoreboard of course - which is all that really matters. romo was not exactly sharp - but he did have fasano drop a td pass, had crayton drop a huge pass and had TO drop one too.

[The Hood 9]

Let's do this by the numbers:

 

1) Who says I give him no credit? But you DO realize

A) That was 4-8 years ago.

 

b1) HALF the QB's in the NFC have gone to the Superbowl since McNabb started playing. - Not much of an accomplishment in this decade.

 

b2) And look at Donovan's competition. Since he started playing, the other THREE teams in his division combined to put together a mere SIX winning seasons in SEVEN YEARS! I mean hell, it's pretty damn easy to get to the playoffs when all the other guys in your divisions are playing sub .500 ball.

 

b3) You really can't give DMac credit for "4 straight Conf Champs" when in 2002 he only played 9.5 games and his replacements (once again) came in and won give straight. Again, that tells you it's more about the team than the QB when the back-ups have repeatedly come in and put together better win % than the starting QB.

 

2)...Which is why you can't compare Garcia's stint with say, the Lions vs. McNabb with the Iggles. Too many variables on a team-team comparison.

 

2a) But when you get the two QB's in the SAME team, the SAME year and the results are HUGELY different, then there's a valid basis for comparison. And, you've ignored that McNabb's completion percentage dropped radically in the last 4-5 games. After week 2, his % was repeatedly in the low .50's. - Which leads us to #3.

 

#3) I've already answered this in a thorough, researched and thought-out reply, and you've just conveeeniently ignored it. I'm not going to re-type the whole focking thing because of you, so please do go back and read it. The Iggles are trying to run the WCO - Which requires ACCURATE passing. NFL standard says you need to be in at least the low-mid .60's to have success with it. If you look at the playoff teams, you'll see the ones that are successful by and large have % numbers at or well above that.

 

Garcia came in and (if you factor out the ATL game where he threw 4 passes), he was throwing at just under .65. And, not surprisingly, that opened up the running game. People are wondering why they didn't do that with McNabb - it wasn't spite, it wasn't caprice, Westbrook wasn't holding back on him - it's because when half of your passes go incomplete, you can't set up / open up the run. So yeah, Mcnabb racks up huge passing yards - because he's consistently facing 3rd and long. But that's NOT the objective of the WCO. Like I said, given his capabilities, he's just in the wrong offense, wrong team.

 

So that's the second time I've explained it to you. Ask any football guy and they'll tell you the same thing. It's not because Mcnabb's black. Not b/c the team "rallied around" Jeff Garcia - a journeyman QB - more than their beloved starting QB. It's basic football. When half of your passes end up on the turf, teams will drop 7-8 in the box all day and take their chances that half of the 3rd and longs go incomplete even in minimal coverage.

 

 

 

#2a & #3

Really the numbers work in your favor as long as we take out McNabb's 2 best games that year? I'm convinced. Also after week 2 he has a worse comp % in his wins than his losses. Please explain how that can be?

 

Taking out Garcia's 1 for 3 gives him 62% not 65%. McNabb was at 57%. That works out to a little less than 2 more incomplete passes per game. Have to take your word for it that's going to change defensive philosophy.

 

 

And to correct another "fact" you keep saying............McNabb was 7-3 in 2002, back-ups were 5-1. Better yes but not what quite what you've been saying.

[Cruzer 1,995]

How did Garcia do with Cleveland and Detroit?

how did blicheat do in cleveland? although i agree i'd rather have mcnabb, this is not exactly a great way to prove your point.

[wiffleball 4,790]

#2a & #3

Really the numbers work in your favor as long as we take out McNabb's 2 best games that year? I'm convinced. Also after week 2 he has a worse comp % in his wins than his losses. Please explain how that can be?

 

Taking out Garcia's 1 for 3 gives him 62% not 65%. McNabb was at 57%. That works out to a little less than 2 more incomplete passes per game. Have to take your word for it that's going to change defensive philosophy.

And to correct another "fact" you keep saying............McNabb was 7-3 in 2002, back-ups were 5-1. Better yes but not what quite what you've been saying.

 

The reason for the discrepancy is your taking season totals, I'm not. I'm talking about Garcia's 6 game 4-2 streak (including his losses) immediately following McNabb's 6 game 3-3 streak (including his wins). Garcia had 2 regular season games where he was below 65% - and one of them was when he came off the bench. Mcnabb - whether you take his first six games (5 games under 65%) or his last six games (6 games under 65%) is still consistently less accurate - and teams know that.

 

Your boy at his best with the same team against one of the worst teams in the league (DET) had a lower completion percentage than Garcia did against one of the best (Indy). How do you explain that?

 

Did you just not read the original post on this - even after I asked you to again? Comp % isn't the only factor, obviously. Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. As i pointed out, The Eagles beat the Fins when your pathetic boy could only put together a 27% passing completion against arguably the worst team in the decade. Can you explain, if Mcnabb is so great, could only complete every fourth pass against the worst team of the decade?

 

I've done the explaining, you've done the ignoring. So answer my questions above and below. Explain to me why it McNabb's back-ups have repeatedly done far better than him with the same resources? You obviously don't like my answer, but you & the other apologists bullshiit is worthless - "They stepped up for the back-ups!" If you say they changed the play-calling, if it was so successful, why wouldn't they do that for McNabb too?

 

You have no problem comparing Garcia v. Mcnabb when they're on two entirely different teams, but have real issues with doing so when they're on the SAME team? Just living in denial now? How is it that the DETMER's for pete sake can do better than McNabb with the same resources? Is it all about a "lack of playmakers" then too?