Obama tells a fan to get lost

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Yeah this country has been horrible these past 7 years. It has.

 

This administration has had our entire country living in fear - just to support his cause.

 

Bush/Cheney are focking crooks, that just happen to have the most powerful position in the free world.

 

In my book, that's a pretty horrible thing.

 

So don't question my opinion, maybe you and I don't live in the same world. I'm from New Orleans, lived here during Katrina. I watched as this administration ignored us, sat there and let us die. Regardless of your feelings about the situation, you couldn't tell me that if Katrina hit Orange County, Cali - that the response wouldn't have been much different. You know it was.

 

So maybe I am biased after watching my city become completely destroyed, but that's just how it is.

 

Yeah, there was alot of blame to be passed around. Nagin and Blanco were horrible in their reaction, but Fema wasn't run by one of their close friends - but he was Bush's.

 

I still live here. I still see how focked up my city is, and how the promised of this president have been nothing short of lies. He lied to everyone here, and couldn't care less.

 

So don't tell me that my opinion is ignorant, I have to be reminded of their incompetence every time I walk outside of my house, you don't.

 

There is a huge difference between this country being horrible and this administration being horrible...unfortunately your failure to distinguish the difference between the two has led you to believe you live in a sH!tty country. I'm not sure how many countries you've been to, but there are quite a few people around the world who would love to be in your position.

 

When you say this country is a horrible place, and you would rather live elsewhere, I will question it. You being from New Orleans is not going to prevent that because...where you live shouldn't prevent open dialogue, even on a stupid message board. As far as you being pissed at the Bush administration..you are preaching to the choir man. You'd be hard-pressed to find a big time Bush supporter on this board. Just because someone sees that Obama is a fraud does not mean he supports Bush. Wiffleball is the perfect example of that. He despises Bush, but can still see through Obama at the same time.

 

As far as living in New Orleans...if Bush wasn't President, what exactly do you think would be different right now when you walked out your front door?

 

I live in one of the highest taxed counties in one of the highest taxed states in the country...businesses have been leaving for twenty years because of it. If Obama is President, it will hurt my wallet even more, and it will hurt yours too.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

There's actually a hell of a lot of European countries that have a lot going for them....

 

No I agree...I absolutely love Europe. Especially France. Outside of Europe I absolutely love Australia. So focking nice. Maybe in a couple years my company will transfer me to the office in London so I can really spend some time in Europe and travel a bit there.

 

Anyways, I'm rambling but my point was ... in the long run, these places aren't all that different than the US And that's why I think Americans really like going to these places.

[Rattlesnake 0]

This thread is a focking joke.

 

You seem to be closer to the sheep than anyone else. You read this story on ABCnews - then ran with it as if it was 100% fact.

 

Now the video came out, basically proving that Obama was provoked and reacted in a way than most anyone else would have.

 

So who's the sheep?

 

The voters of Barack Obama? Because we're tired of the horrible country that the USA has turned into? And that we are actually standing up for someone that has a very unique perspective with the ability to guide this country in the right direction.

 

Or you.. For believing every negative thing you hear about the man - just because you have an obvious vendetta against him?

 

You're the sheep. Not us.

 

[Rattlesnake 0]

what, besides that he is a black man running for president, is unique about him?

 

Oh, maybe his entire way of thinking.

 

Christ.........

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Oh, maybe his entire way of thinking.

 

Christ.........

 

Care to expand on that?

[Rattlesnake 0]

If Obama is President, it will hurt my wallet even more, and it will hurt yours too.

 

How so? He only hurts your wallet if you are a big business owner, or are rich.

[surferskin 31]

How so? He only hurts your wallet if you are a big business owner, or are rich.

 

Oh, only the "rich" people will be taxed more?

[Rattlesnake 0]

Care to expand on that?

 

No, not really. Pay attention, for God's sake. I work with, and around, some of the most conservative people on the planet, they really dislike Obama, particularly on foreign policy issues. Not to mention the fact that he's just not quite white enough. Even they admit that he's unique, he's different. They may hate his perspective and his ideas, but they recognize that he's different. You asked how he's unique........my response to that is that you need to pay attention. Love his ideas or hate them, he's definitely unique.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

How so? He only hurts your wallet if you are a big business owner, or are rich.

 

The Bush tax cuts do not only benefit the rich...

[Rattlesnake 0]

 

Oh, only the "rich" people will be taxed more?

 

Yep. Pretty simple, really. Scaling back the amount we spend on our overseas military budget frees up a lot of money.

[Rattlesnake 0]

The Bush tax cuts do not only benefit the rich...

 

I don't recall saying they did. We're poor as hell, and the Bush tax cuts have helped us, to a degree.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

No, not really. Pay attention, for God's sake. I work with, and around, some of the most conservative people on the planet, they really dislike Obama, particularly on foreign policy issues. Not to mention the fact that he's just not quite white enough. Even they admit that he's unique, he's different. They may hate his perspective and his ideas, but they recognize that he's different. You asked how he's unique........my response to that is that you need to pay attention. Love his ideas or hate them, he's definitely unique.

 

You have no idea how he is "unique" do you?

[surferskin 31]

Yep. Pretty simple, really. Scaling back the amount we spend on our overseas military budget frees up a lot of money.

You need to do a little more research into your savior if you think that our military budget that's going to get "scaled back" isn't going get spent elsewhere.

 

Also, peoples definitions of "rich" in the country vary a great deal. Be careful, one day some politician might be talking about greedy rich people and mean YOU.

[gocolts 300]

You need to do a little more research into your savior if you think that our military budget that's going to get "scaled back" isn't going get spent elsewhere.

 

Also, peoples definitions of "rich" in the country vary a great deal. Be careful, one day some politician might talking about greedy rich people and mean YOU.

As usual, rattlesnake doesn't know the facts. The Democrats think that the super rich is anybody making over 32,000 a year.

[Rattlesnake 0]

You need to do a little more research into your savior if you think that our military budget that's going to get "scaled back" isn't going get spent elsewhere.

 

Also, peoples definitions of "rich" in the country vary a great deal. Be careful, one day some politician might be talking about greedy rich people and mean YOU.

 

Of course it's going to be spent elsewhere, that's the entire point. People say that all of his ideas are going to cost us so much money.......no they won't. The money will come from Iraq. Is this really that hard to understand?

 

If a politician is ever referring to a young public school teacher as being "rich", then maybe we'll be finally starting to get some things right.

[Rattlesnake 0]

As usual, rattlesnake doesn't know the facts. The Democrats think that the super rich is anybody making over 32,000 a year.

 

Again, people like you are what form the negative image of Hoosiers being nothing but backwoods, ignorant, hillbilly jackasses. Ugh.

 

Anyways, what facts aren't I aware of?

[kpbuckeye 3]

Of course it's going to be spent elsewhere, that's the entire point. People say that all of his ideas are going to cost us so much money.......no they won't. The money will come from Iraq. Is this really that hard to understand?

 

If a politician is ever referring to a young public school teacher as being "rich", then maybe we'll be finally starting to get some things right.

 

 

hence your support for Obama, you want a handout. Get in line behind the blacks.

[Rattlesnake 0]

hence your support for Obama, you want a handout. Get in line behind the blacks.

 

How do I want a handout, exactly? I get paid for 37.5 hours per week and work an average of 55. Not to mention the fact that the work I do is, unarguably, one of the most important to our society, and future. I'm not going to teach forever, and I'll say the same thing when I'm not a teacher, too.

 

By the way, I won't be teaching Advanced Placement History much longer. I finally built our Psych program to the point to where next year I'm only teaching AP Psychology and Psychology, while working on my Master's in Psychology and Mental Health Counseling. I'll also be our social studies department chair next year and have been chosen to chair our policy/discussions committee again. Must be because I don't work very hard and am just sitting around waiting for handouts, huh?

 

[gocolts 300]

Again, people like you are what form the negative image of Hoosiers being nothing but backwoods, ignorant, hillbilly jackasses. Ugh.

 

Anyways, what facts aren't I aware of?

I listed it in the very post you quoted you Hoosier.

[Rattlesnake 0]

Get in line behind the blacks.

 

By the way, you're an ignorant, racist pig.

[kpbuckeye 3]

By the way, you're an ignorant, racist pig.

 

 

White Pride

[gocolts 300]

By the way, I won't be teaching Advanced Placement History much longer. I finally built our Psych program to the point to where next year I'm only teaching AP Psychology and Psychology, while working on my Master's in Psychology and Mental Health Counseling. I'll also be our social studies department chair next year and have been chosen to chair our policy/discussions committee again. Must be because I don't work very hard and am just sitting around waiting for handouts, huh?

 

Remember a while back when I said you should come down to southern Indiana and teach so you could earn more money??? Please don't now. It is down right scary to think you are a teacher at all, especially now that you will be teaching kids Psychology. UNFOCKINGBELIEVABLE!!!

[Rattlesnake 0]

White Pride

 

At least you're honest.

[Rattlesnake 0]

Remember a while back when I said you should come down to southern Indiana and teach so you could earn more money??? Please don't now. It is down right scary to think you are a teacher at all, especially now that you will be teaching kids Psychology. UNFOCKINGBELIEVABLE!!!

 

Why is that? This ought to be good. Tell me what you know about Psych, and about teaching it at the high school and/or college level.

 

I was at the top of my class in undergrad as a psych student pursuing education, and the methods I've employed in the classroom have doubled the size of the program in a span of 3 years. It's been rated the most popular class in the entire school. I'm sure it has something to do with the fact that I understand the information so well, engage the kids in so many non-traditional activities, and have so much research experience in the field. Hell, and I'm doing all this with the support of an extremely conservative community.

 

I've talked to the kids about people like you. Hell, I did research about people on internet chat forums while in college. Some here probably remember it.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

I get paid for 37.5 hours per week and work an average of 55. Not to mention the fact that the work I do is, unarguably, one of the most important to our society, and future. I'm not going to teach forever, and I'll say the same thing when I'm not a teacher, too.

 

Why is it that teachers always whine about their job?

I've dated countless teachers and every one of them throw's a focking pity party for themselves every week. Do you have any idea how much most people would just love a nice 3 month break every year? Most people work more than 40 hours per week, but most people don't get spring break off, another week off at Christmas, and 3 months off during summer.

 

I agree though, it is one of the most important jobs to our society...I just wish teachers did their job well so we weren't falling behind the rest of the world

[Rattlesnake 0]

Why is it that teachers always whine about their job?

I've dated countless teachers and every one of them throw's a focking pity party for themselves every week. Do you have any idea how much most people would just love a nice 3 month break every year? Most people work more than 40 hours per week, but most people don't get spring break off, another week off at Christmas, and 3 months off during summer.

 

I agree though, it is one of the most important jobs to our society...I just wish teachers did their job well so we weren't falling behind the rest of the world

 

Most people don't get paid for working for 9.5 months, but really work about 14. All of this talk about "breaks" is laughable to anyone who knows anything about teaching.

 

I wish parents would do their jobs and that government would keep their hands out of this. That would potentially give our hard work the chance to pay off, possibly.

 

This notion that teachers don't do their jobs well..........good God. Must be easy to sit back, be an ignorant fock, and blame teachers.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Most people don't get paid for working for 9.5 months, but really work about 14. All of this talk about "breaks" is laughable to anyone who knows anything about teaching.

I dont know what the first sentence means.

As far as the second sentence...how is that laughable. Do teachers not get summers, christmas, and spring break off?

 

I wish parents would do their jobs and that government would keep their hands out of this. That would potentially give our hard work the chance to pay off, possibly.

 

This notion that teachers don't do their jobs well..........good God. Must be easy to sit back, be an ignorant fock, and blame teachers.

 

My first boss told me something once...the quality of the product resembles the quality of the worker...I was a kid so my product was dishes, cause I cleaned them.

For teachers, the product is students. Our students are grading far too low...now who else is there to blame?

 

I will say, in your defense, that I know educating a child is far more successful when there is positive parental involvement at home, and that's not always there. However, In my county, teachers are paid very well, and we keep paying more property taxes to make sure of that...but we're still mediocre at best in education in the country, which means we are way behind in the world.

 

We keep throwing money at it, but nothing ever gets fixed. Personally I think teachers need to be held accountable for their students, just like in every other job people are held accountable for their responsibilities. The teachers union doesn't like that though...they just want big pay, tenure, and summers off at the expense of the very children they are supposed to be helping...it may be one of the most important jobs in society, but instead of benefitting the students...it's benefitting the teachers.

 

And dude, I know that there are plenty of good teachers out there, and you may be one of em, I don't know...but the teachers union is creating far too many poor ones

[Bert 1,128]

I still live here. I still see how focked up my city is, and how the promised of this president have been nothing short of lies. He lied to everyone here, and couldn't care less.

 

So don't tell me that my opinion is ignorant, I have to be reminded of their incompetence every time I walk outside of my house, you don't.

 

HenryChinaski you are probably only 20 or so years old so you are probably not familiar with Huey Long, Richard W. Leche, Edwin Edwards, Dave L. Pearce, and of course Henry Lee.

 

Your city's education system was one of the worst in the nation before Katrina, your murder rate was the highest in the nation before Katrina, your city had one of the highest crime percentages in the US before Katrina, your city had one of the highest percentages of people on welfare before Katrina, your city had one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the nation before Katrina. The incompetence you see every time you walk outside is the result of decades of local corruption before Katrina not what the federal government did or didn't do after Katrina.

[wiffleball 4,797]

HenryChinaski you are probably only 20 or so years old so you are probably not familiar with Huey Long, Richard W. Leche, Edwin Edwards, Dave L. Pearce, and of course Henry Lee.

 

Your city's education system was one of the worst in the nation before Katrina, your murder rate was the highest in the nation before Katrina, your city had one of the highest crime percentages in the US before Katrina, your city had one of the highest percentages of people on welfare before Katrina, your city had one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the nation before Katrina. The incompetence you see every time you walk outside is the result of decades of local corruption before Katrina not what the federal government did or didn't do after Katrina.

[gocolts 300]

HenryChinaski you are probably only 20 or so years old so you are probably not familiar with Huey Long, Richard W. Leche, Edwin Edwards, Dave L. Pearce, and of course Henry Lee.

 

Your city's education system was one of the worst in the nation before Katrina, your murder rate was the highest in the nation before Katrina, your city had one of the highest crime percentages in the US before Katrina, your city had one of the highest percentages of people on welfare before Katrina, your city had one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the nation before Katrina. The incompetence you see every time you walk outside is the result of decades of local corruption before Katrina not what the federal government did or didn't do after Katrina.

SLAM!!!!!!!

[Rattlesnake 0]

I dont know what the first sentence means.

As far as the second sentence...how is that laughable. Do teachers not get summers, christmas, and spring break off?

My first boss told me something once...the quality of the product resembles the quality of the worker...I was a kid so my product was dishes, cause I cleaned them.

For teachers, the product is students. Our students are grading far too low...now who else is there to blame?

 

I will say, in your defense, that I know educating a child is far more successful when there is positive parental involvement at home, and that's not always there. However, In my county, teachers are paid very well, and we keep paying more property taxes to make sure of that...but we're still mediocre at best in education in the country, which means we are way behind in the world.

 

We keep throwing money at it, but nothing ever gets fixed. Personally I think teachers need to be held accountable for their students, just like in every other job people are held accountable for their responsibilities. The teachers union doesn't like that though...they just want big pay, tenure, and summers off at the expense of the very children they are supposed to be helping...it may be one of the most important jobs in society, but instead of benefitting the students...it's benefitting the teachers.

 

And dude, I know that there are plenty of good teachers out there, and you may be one of em, I don't know...but the teachers union is creating far too many poor ones

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree, particularly as it pertains to teachers supposedly caring more about themselves than students. Also, I work in a very poor area where we went without a contract for three years and then, when we signed one, it was railroaded through. I'm taking home less money now than I was 3 years ago, net. I realize that, in some places, unions run amuck.......but in areas like ours, if we didn't have a union, I seriously can't imagine what our school board would do. To quickly answer the question about who to "blame", I truly don't think you understand the impact that parenting and societal influences have on these kids and their focus in school. I can't follow Johnny home to make sure he does his reading or his homework. I can't be there to make sure he eats decent food, or eats at all. I can't be there to make sure he's in bed before 3:00 AM. However, that's what is expected right now, and that's part of the reason that teachers are up in arms. The idea that teachers are up in arms because we just want money, breaks, and tenure is simply not accurate. Maybe it once was, I don't know, but it surely isn't now. NCLB has changed EVERYTHING.

 

Teachers are merely saying that we shouldn't be held 100% responsible for student performance. I don't see how anyone can argue with that.

[gocolts 300]

We'll just have to agree to disagree, particularly as it pertains to teachers supposedly caring more about themselves than students. Also, I work in a very poor area where we went without a contract for three years and then, when we signed one, it was railroaded through. I'm taking home less money now than I was 3 years ago, net. I realize that, in some places, unions run amuck.......but in areas like ours, if we didn't have a union, I seriously can't imagine what our school board would do. To quickly answer the question about who to "blame", I truly don't think you understand the impact that parenting and societal influences have on these kids and their focus in school. I can't follow Johnny home to make sure he does his reading or his homework. I can't be there to make sure he eats decent food, or eats at all. I can't be there to make sure he's in bed before 3:00 AM. However, that's what is expected right now, and that's part of the reason that teachers are up in arms. The idea that teachers are up in arms because we just want money, breaks, and tenure is simply not accurate. Maybe it once was, I don't know, but it surely isn't now. NCLB has changed EVERYTHING.

 

Teachers are merely saying that we shouldn't be held 100% responsible for student performance. I don't see how anyone can argue with that.

Curious. What percent responsibility should they be held accountable for????

[Rattlesnake 0]

Curious. What percent responsibility should they be held accountable for????

 

I would say it's a 50/50 deal. Half is on the kids and parents, half is on us. Parents can do an amazing job and kids can be totally responsible, and if they have some lazy-ass teacher (there are some out there, my guess is probably about 10% and none of them young, but that's still too many) who doesn't work hard to vary lessons and strategies and engage the kids as much as possible, they won't learn as much as they could. At the same time, if a teacher, like me, for example, works tirelessly and really does a good job of creating engaging lessons and letting the kids do all kinds of creative hands-on and interactive things........but the kid doesn't do any reading or homework, or study/review for tests, because their parents have no idea what they do from after school until 2 AM, or they only eat Cheetos and Pop Tarts, or their parents actually tell them that they "only care if they pass" because they "didn't like that stupid school, either".........I'm not sure what the teacher is supposed to do.

 

That's the thing that many people seem to not understand.........a huge part of the reason why teachers are up in arms about NCLB and its ramifications is because of the effect it's having on kids. It's not pushing the intelligent/responsible kids enough, and it's merely dragging the bottom-feeders through, at best. It's attempting to force teachers to stifle creativity and teach to a test, rather than simply teach. This is the stuff that, obviously, many people just don't get. They think that teachers are just whining about money or tenure or breaks, and that's just simply not the case.

 

Again, NCLB is based on the premise that 100% of students will pass the standardized test within 6 years. That's totally laughable. It's sad that it's not realistic, but it's not. Anybody who thinks that it is, honestly, is really clueless.

 

I guess you're deciding to drop the whole Psych argument, huh?

[gocolts 300]

I would say it's a 50/50 deal. Half is on the kids and parents, half is on us. Parents can do an amazing job and kids can be totally responsible, and if they have some lazy-ass teacher (there are some out there, my guess is probably about 10% and none of them young, but that's still too many) who doesn't work hard to vary lessons and strategies and engage the kids as much as possible, they won't learn as much as they could. At the same time, if a teacher, like me, for example, works tirelessly and really does a good job of creating engaging lessons and letting the kids do all kinds of creative hands-on and interactive things........but the kid doesn't do any reading or homework, or study/review for tests, because their parents have no idea what they do from after school until 2 AM, or they only eat Cheetos and Pop Tarts, or their parents actually tell them that they "only care if they pass" because they "didn't like that stupid school, either".........I'm not sure what the teacher is supposed to do.

 

That's the thing that many people seem to not understand.........a huge part of the reason why teachers are up in arms about NCLB and its ramifications is because of the effect it's having on kids. It's not pushing the intelligent/responsible kids enough, and it's merely dragging the bottom-feeders through, at best. It's attempting to force teachers to stifle creativity and teach to a test, rather than simply teach. This is the stuff that, obviously, many people just don't get. They think that teachers are just whining about money or tenure or breaks, and that's just simply not the case.

 

Again, NCLB is based on the premise that 100% of students will pass the standardized test within 6 years. That's totally laughable. It's sad that it's not realistic, but it's not. Anybody who thinks that it is, honestly, is really clueless.

 

I guess you're deciding to drop the whole Psych argument, huh?

No, not really. After reading your posts on this forearm, I find it disturbing that you will be teaching that.

[Rattlesnake 0]

No, not really. After reading your posts on this forearm, I find it disturbing that you will be teaching that.

 

People like you are why I come here for about 15-20 minutes a day.

[gocolts 300]

People like you are why I come here for about 15-20 minutes a day.

So you come here to get informed then. Good for you pal.

[kpbuckeye 3]

So you come here to get informed then. Good for you pal.

[Fumbleweed 555]

We keep throwing money at it, but nothing ever gets fixed. Personally I think teachers need to be held accountable for their students, just like in every other job people are held accountable for their responsibilities. And dude, I know that there are plenty of good teachers out there, and you may be one of em, I don't know...but the teachers union is creating far too many poor ones

 

My mom and dad are teachers. I work in the public school system here. Teachers work hard. Really hard. Most of them, at least.

 

Most people "on the job" are held accountable for other people that were hired or chosen to work for/under them. Teachers don't get to choose the kids they teach. They get 'em all. The comparison is flawed.

 

The disintegration of the family unit is causing the reduction in effective education, plain and simple. The teachers in this country are better than they've ever been. But, the millions and millions of parents either abandoning, mistreating, ignoring, not supporting, over-indulging, and/or trying to raise their kids as a single parent without other family supporting them is the problem that nobody seems to want to address.

[Rattlesnake 0]

My mom and dad are teachers. I work in the public school system here. Teachers work hard. Really hard. Most of them, at least.

 

Most people "on the job" are held accountable for other people that were hired or chosen to work for/under them. Teachers don't get to choose the kids they teach. They get 'em all. The comparison is flawed.

 

The disintegration of the family unit is causing the reduction in effective education, plain and simple. The teachers in this country are better than they've ever been. But, the millions and millions of parents either abandoning, mistreating, ignoring, not supporting, over-indulging, and/or trying to raise their kids as a single parent without other family supporting them is the problem that nobody seems to want to address.

 

Right. It's easier to blame the teachers. That is, perhaps, the single biggest problem in our society right now........nobody feels like they have to take responsibility for themselves anymore.

 

Well said.

[NorthernVike 2,095]

Right. It's easier to blame the teachers. That is, perhaps, the single biggest problem in our society right now........nobody feels like they have to take responsibility for themselves anymore.

 

Well said.

 

 

 

Only a teacher would think this is the biggest problem in society right now

 

 

 

You should give up your day job and take over for redtodd because you are hands down funnier than he is