Who should be drafted higher than Randy Moss - redraft ?

[The Moz 71]

LT

Westbrook

Adrian Peterson

Jackson

Addai

 

 

then who ?

 

Actually cases can be made for all the above as well.

 

Randy might not get last season numbers but barring injury can anyone see him getting under 85 - 1300 - 1500 and 17 ? Brady will look for Randy everytime in the redzone as his #1 target , also he is the greatest deep target in football so thats a given as well. Who in the RB stable is going to get you those kind of numbers or who in WR's that you could get end of round 2 could you count on for close numbers ? You know Randy is going to get blow up games for over a 100 and 2-3 scores a few times at least and most games he will get at least a score.

 

So say you take a sexy RB pick at 1.6-1.10 like a Lynch, MBIII or Gore then follow up with a S. Smith or B. Edwards - or maybe get lucky and snag AJ ( who IMO goes early 2nd ). Is Lynch / AJ going to out do R. Moss and a back like W. Parker, J. Lewis , MJD, Maroney , or R. Brown ? Lynch can maybe be expected to get you a 1700 total yard 10 - 12 TD season , MBIII maybe more if Dallas makes him the feature - will the upgrade of those guys over a Back like a Parker , Lewis , etc be large enough to offset the upgrade of R. Moss and any other WR ? Myabe it can be argues that TO and AJ might get numbers around Moss's but IMO those guys are gone by 2.6.

 

Just wondering if everyone here is still taking the RB at all costs in round stance ?

[jgcrawfish 232]

LT

Westbrook

Adrian Peterson

Jackson

Addai

then who ?

 

Actually cases can be made for all the above as well.

 

Randy might not get last season numbers but barring injury can anyone see him getting under 85 - 1300 - 1500 and 17 ? Brady will look for Randy everytime in the redzone as his #1 target , also he is the greatest deep target in football so thats a given as well. Who in the RB stable is going to get you those kind of numbers or who in WR's that you could get end of round 2 could you count on for close numbers ? You know Randy is going to get blow up games for over a 100 and 2-3 scores a few times at least and most games he will get at least a score.

 

So say you take a sexy RB pick at 1.6-1.10 like a Lynch, MBIII or Gore then follow up with a S. Smith or B. Edwards - or maybe get lucky and snag AJ ( who IMO goes early 2nd ). Is Lynch / AJ going to out do R. Moss and a back like W. Parker, J. Lewis , MJD, Maroney , or R. Brown ? Lynch can maybe be expected to get you a 1700 total yard 10 - 12 TD season , MBIII maybe more if Dallas makes him the feature - will the upgrade of those guys over a Back like a Parker , Lewis , etc be large enough to offset the upgrade of R. Moss and any other WR ? Myabe it can be argues that TO and AJ might get numbers around Moss's but IMO those guys are gone by 2.6.

 

Just wondering if everyone here is still taking the RB at all costs in round stance ?

 

I'll be the naysayer here, I think I would rather have Wayne at this point. Yes, the reward on Moss is higher, the ceiling is higher. But as we saw, people have realized they can beat the Pats if they take Randy out of the game. He's rendered ineffective when doubled and getting pressure on Brady, Welker becomes the #1 option at that point. Plus I still don't trust him or his healty. We also started to see reminders of the old Randy toward the end of last season, not running full routes when he's not the primary target, dogging in it a bit and not blocking. I still think it's not long before he becomes a distraction.

[Mad Brad 0]

I'll be the naysayer here, I think I would rather have Wayne at this point. Yes, the reward on Moss is higher, the ceiling is higher. But as we saw, people have realized they can beat the Pats if they take Randy out of the game. He's rendered ineffective when doubled and getting pressure on Brady, Welker becomes the #1 option at that point. Plus I still don't trust him or his healty. We also started to see reminders of the old Randy toward the end of last season, not running full routes when he's not the primary target, dogging in it a bit and not blocking. I still think it's not long before he becomes a distraction.

 

 

I guess I was watching a "different" Randy Moss than you were last season... MB

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

I dont want moss next year in a redraft league. I would rather have wayne if i am taking a WR that early, or wait and grab someone else.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I guess I was watching a "different" Randy Moss than you were last season... MB

 

Nope, you were watching the same Randy. I don't trust his age or his attitude, particularly since he got paid. I won't even try to argue that Randy wasn't the best and most dominant WR in the league last year, cause it's crystal clear he was. Nor will I try and argue that he doesn't deserve to be the #1 WR taken this year. I'm saying that I'd rather take the guy I can count on. What I will try to argue is that teams now have the blueprint (yeah, i hate that word too) for how to limit the damage he does. If I'm a defense I take my chances with Welker/Watson all day long and do everything I can to not let Randy touch a ball. And I pop the hell out of him all day long. And by late in the season I meant specifically the playoffs. It's more of a feeling, or a general dislike of Randy maybe, but I definitely don't trust the guy to put up #'s anywhere close to what he did last year.

[scherber830 0]

reggie wayne over randy moss? huh?

[The Moz 71]

reggie wayne over randy moss? huh?

 

 

people would rather have Waynes steady 95-1300-10 over Randy's 85 - 1400 - 17

[xenophobe 1]

Randy Moss has been one of the most consistently productive players in the NFL since entering. He's arguably the most tallented player in the league at any position and he's being thrown to by arguably the best QB in the game and is coming off a record breaking season playing in a record breaking offense.

 

But we can still find a way to rationalize someone else ahead of him.

[donkeyboy22 0]

The answer has nothing to do with Moss' talent. It has everything to do with the fact that you dont ever draft a WR #1. The drop off at WR after the top 10 is not near what it is at RB and mostly QB. You get better value going RB WR than WR RB. It is the same as it has always been in fantasy football.

[jgcrawfish 232]

people would rather have Waynes steady 95-1300-10 over Randy's 85 - 1400 - 17

 

so what'd you project for him during his oakland days? granted that Tom Brady and NE are quite different from Oakland, but the fact remains that you're still talking about a player who "plays when he wants to play" and has a history of missing time due to injuries and relies heavily on his speed, which has diminished some with age. Nobody can predict injury, but you can somewhat make and educated guess at behavior based on personality and past experience, and in my mind Reggie Wayne is the safer pick than Randy Moss. So yes, I'm telling you that if it comes up in the draft, and lets say I'm at the point where maybe I have an RB and am thinking about the WR position, that I will most likely bypass Randy and see if I can wait a few picks to catch Edwards or Wayne. I say this knowing full well that guy who won my redraft league last year did so almost exclusively on the strength of having Brady AND Moss on his roster. At this point you have no way of knowing figures you have will be even close to what he ends up with, whereas I contend that Reggie Wayne is the safer bet to reach his baseline.

[NorthernVike 2,095]

Nope, you were watching the same Randy. I don't trust his age or his attitude, particularly since he got paid. I won't even try to argue that Randy wasn't the best and most dominant WR in the league last year, cause it's crystal clear he was. Nor will I try and argue that he doesn't deserve to be the #1 WR taken this year. I'm saying that I'd rather take the guy I can count on. What I will try to argue is that teams now have the blueprint (yeah, i hate that word too) for how to limit the damage he does. If I'm a defense I take my chances with Welker/Watson all day long and do everything I can to not let Randy touch a ball. And I pop the hell out of him all day long. And by late in the season I meant specifically the playoffs. It's more of a feeling, or a general dislike of Randy maybe, but I definitely don't trust the guy to put up #'s anywhere close to what he did last year.

 

 

The problem with that argument is that most teams they will face in the regular season do not have the talent on D to do what the Giants did in the SB.

 

 

I'd take Moss around 7 or 8 and if he goes rite before me, if I pick late, Brady would be the name I call.

[jgcrawfish 232]

The problem with that argument is that most teams they will face in the regular season do not have the talent on D to do what the Giants did in the SB.

I'd take Moss around 7 or 8 and if he goes rite before me, if I pick late, Brady would be the name I call.

 

This is true, but with that offense, it's kind of a pick your poison proposition...and I make damned sure that the poison that's gonna kill me is the one I have to get hit with repeatedly in the form of dink-n-dunk to the underneath guys than the one-n-done method of a bomb to Randy. I don't care if I gotta triple Randy to do it, he's a TD waiting to happen, Welker is a first down waiting to happen. Make them work for it is all I'm saying.

[aportanenko 0]

I'm sure that Moss and co. are gonna be just fine, them being a close knit team and all. No chance at all of them falling to pieces. Besides Moss is a "rock" when it comes to trials and tribulations. Plus history has shown that the losers of SuperBowls (because they failed to win that particular game) ALWAYS bounce back. Few people know this but when Belichick left early (since in that particular game the sum of the Patriots final score was lesser than the sum of their opponent ) it looked like he was deserting them at one of the most heart wrenching moments in that team's lives (by the way, brilliant master stroke for a coach to do to his team, it will only make their bond to him THAT much stronger). He really just wanted to take care of the rations in their "Bunker o' Mentality". And He did. Bill had cans and cans of 'Terry Schiavo's World Famous Strained peas' for everyone. Number one meal for infants and invalids who have a propensity to choke.

 

I'd rather have Wayne too; dependable and on a much more stable team 

[jgcrawfish 232]

I'm sure that Moss and co. are gonna be just fine, them being a close knit team and all. No chance at all of them falling to pieces. Besides Moss is a "rock" when it comes to trials and tribulations. Plus history has shown that the losers of SuperBowls (because they failed to win that particular game) ALWAYS bounce back. Few people know this but when Belichick left early (since in that particular game the sum of the Patriots final score was lesser than the sum of their opponent ) it looked like he was deserting them at one of the most heart wrenching moments in that team's lives (by the way, brilliant master stroke for a coach to do to his team, it will only make their bond to him THAT much stronger). He really just wanted to take care of the rations in their "Bunker o' Mentality". And He did. Bill had cans and cans of 'Terry Schiavo's World Famous Strained peas' for everyone. Number one meal for infants and invalids who have a propensity to choke.

 

I'd rather have Wayne too; dependable and on a much more stable team 

 

Yet another sick and demented Terry Schiavo reference...

[ed_jones 0]

Nope, you were watching the same Randy. I don't trust his age or his attitude, particularly since he got paid. I won't even try to argue that Randy wasn't the best and most dominant WR in the league last year, cause it's crystal clear he was. Nor will I try and argue that he doesn't deserve to be the #1 WR taken this year. I'm saying that I'd rather take the guy I can count on. What I will try to argue is that teams now have the blueprint (yeah, i hate that word too) for how to limit the damage he does. If I'm a defense I take my chances with Welker/Watson all day long and do everything I can to not let Randy touch a ball. And I pop the hell out of him all day long. And by late in the season I meant specifically the playoffs. It's more of a feeling, or a general dislike of Randy maybe, but I definitely don't trust the guy to put up #'s anywhere close to what he did last year.

 

 

Here's my problem with this statement. If it was so easy to stop Randy this way dont you think it would have been done sooner? He had less talent around him in Minny (after CC retired) got all the defensive attention and still tore the league up. If you like Wayne more then cool but this does'nt sound like good logic as to why Randy will not do as well this year.

[Mad Brad 0]

so what'd you project for him during his oakland days? granted that Tom Brady and NE are quite different from Oakland, but the fact remains that you're still talking about a player who "plays when he wants to play" and has a history of missing time due to injuries and relies heavily on his speed, which has diminished some with age. Nobody can predict injury, but you can somewhat make and educated guess at behavior based on personality and past experience, and in my mind Reggie Wayne is the safer pick than Randy Moss. So yes, I'm telling you that if it comes up in the draft, and lets say I'm at the point where maybe I have an RB and am thinking about the WR position, that I will most likely bypass Randy and see if I can wait a few picks to catch Edwards or Wayne. I say this knowing full well that guy who won my redraft league last year did so almost exclusively on the strength of having Brady AND Moss on his roster. At this point you have no way of knowing figures you have will be even close to what he ends up with, whereas I contend that Reggie Wayne is the safer bet to reach his baseline.

 

 

Dude... Just come clean and say "I don't like Randy Moss"... And leave it at that... all this other justification stuff is just BS... You just don't like him and that's the bottom line... MB

 

ps. If I have an opening in my league this year, I'll be sure to let you know... Hopefully, you would be drafting right before me...

[jgcrawfish 232]

Dude... Just come clean and say "I don't like Randy Moss"... And leave it at that... all this other justification stuff is just BS... You just don't like him and that's the bottom line... MB

 

ps. If I have an opening in my league this year, I'll be sure to let you know... Hopefully, you would be drafting right before me...

 

I wouldn't take Randy in the first round anyway, even if I thought he would duplicate his #'s from last year, however, I already came clean and said that. I neither trust Randy nor TO. I've had both on my team during the season when each either blew a gasket or decided (in Randy's case) to take the season off. There's no debate that both are immensely talented and undoubtedly have the highest ceiling among WR, but both can sink to the lowest depths and ruin not only the team they're on, but your FF team as well. There are no sure things in this little pasttime of ours but I know I'll take the workmanlike stability of Wayne (and formerly Harrison) in the Indy offense over the potential explosiveness (good or bad) of either TO or Randy, not even considering the age difference there.

[FeelingMN 273]

I wouldn't take Randy in the first round anyway, even if I thought he would duplicate his #'s from last year, however, I already came clean and said that. I neither trust Randy nor TO. I've had both on my team during the season when each either blew a gasket or decided (in Randy's case) to take the season off. There's no debate that both are immensely talented and undoubtedly have the highest ceiling among WR, but both can sink to the lowest depths and ruin not only the team they're on, but your FF team as well. There are no sure things in this little pasttime of ours but I know I'll take the workmanlike stability of Wayne (and formerly Harrison) in the Indy offense over the potential explosiveness (good or bad) of either TO or Randy, not even considering the age difference there.

 

 

I agree totally with this. I like Randy as a player. He's exciting as hell and can put up some huge numbers. But I don't trust the guy on a weekly basis. I still think he'll be a top 10 receiver, I just don't think he'll be the top receiver. Somebody's gonna draft him in the late first. I'm not that guy. Draft Lynch, Grant or Gore then give me Wayne, Edwards, or AJ a few picks later and I'd be happy.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I agree totally with this. I like Randy as a player. He's exciting as hell and can put up some huge numbers. But I don't trust the guy on a weekly basis. I still think he'll be a top 10 receiver, I just don't think he'll be the top receiver. Somebody's gonna draft him in the late first. I'm not that guy. Draft Lynch, Grant or Gore then give me Wayne, Edwards, or AJ a few picks later and I'd be happy.

 

Bingo, I'd honestly love to do a back to back of two of those 3 WR you named if I could do it, especially if I'm picking near the turn. Turnover in the top 10 for WR is 2nd only to turnover for RB. I'd much rather shore up my RB spots and get 2 above average WR than blow my wad on Randy early.

[mgs316 14]

If I get late first round (as I always do) I'm sick and tired of second rate RB's and QB's:

 

1.12 - Moss

2.1 - Wayne

 

[Me_2006 14]

The thing is, the majority of serious FFers will analyze the Moss situation so much that by the time August gets here, he likely WON'T have to be your first pick. If you're picking at the turn and can take Gore/Lynch/Grant and then Moss that's a tad more sensibile. I'd just rather not take someone with my first pick that has a very real chance of killing my entire fantasy team. Freak injuries happen and you're just screwed and had bad luck. Pulled hamstrings on 30+ WRs that have admittedly taken plays and even seasons off, however, are your own fault. Buyer beware.

[listen2me 23 1,952]

I'm not taking any WR over him in a redraft.

 

That said I am not ready to pick him in the 1st round, perhaps at the turn.

 

Or I may pick him 10 or 11th if I know I can get a solid RB in the 2nd.

[xenophobe 1]

but both can sink to the lowest depths and ruin not only the team they're on, but your FF team as well.

 

You are kidding me right? What players have produced year in year out as consistently as TO and Moss? These guys played on multiple teams thrown to by multiple QBs and are among the top WRs in the league every year. So who is more consistent? No RBs outside of LT. Who else? Harrison and Holt, but both are starting to slow down. Chad Johnson and Wayne, yes, but both with shorter careers. The list is VERY small.

[Me_2006 14]

You are kidding me right? What players have produced year in year out as consistently as TO and Moss? These guys played on multiple teams thrown to by multiple QBs and are among the top WRs in the league every year. Okay, so you have LT. Who else???

Anybody with more than 700 yards in 2004/2005.

[xenophobe 1]

Anybody with more than 700 yards in 2004/2005.

 

Who are you talking about, Moss or TO? TO had one bad year where he was a stud until he had a rift with his team, and Moss had one bad year due to injury. That's Moss only bad year and TOs only bad one since 2000.

 

So is this your agrument, if a guy has a bad year due to injury in a ten year career he's a concern?

 

We are talking about two guys who have played at a very high level over a very long time in the face of a tremendous amount of variability with all the team changes, QB changes, system changes, and injuries. But they are now both 100% healthy and playing on elite teams with high powered offenses that feature very good offensive lines and probowl QBs. They are both playing in probably the most stable environments of their careers. TO is happy in Dallas and is playing for an owner who has his back, even moreso than the head coach. NE was pleased enough with Moss to resign him to a big contract, and he with them enough to take a pay cut to stay.

 

They should be the top two WRs taken in most redraft leagues, but where they go overall depends on a number of factors.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

people would rather have Waynes steady 95-1300-10 over Randy's 85 - 1400 - 17

 

 

The problem is you're making the assumption that Moss is a lock for 17 TDs. He's done that twice in the last 10 years and even throwing out his two horrible years in Oakland where he had 11 TDs in 2 years, he's had lows of 7, 10 and 11 in that span.

 

Is he a top WR? Of course, and he should have another great year. Will he automatically be head and shoulders above all other WRs this year? Probably not, there's a possibility he may not even be the #1 WR.

 

People base too much on the preceding year sometimes. NE slowed down alot in the later part of teh season and playoffs. I don't see another record breaking year.

 

So the question really should be: Would you take the WR you have ranked #1 in the middle of the first round this year? My answer would be "no".

[xenophobe 1]

He's done that twice in the last 10 years and even throwing out his two horrible years in Oakland

 

Moss' 2005 season was not "horrible". It was a better year than Reggie Wayne had, are you downgrading him for his performance that year? Moss was injuried and playing for a terrible team. What was Wayne's excuse? I don't see how people are so insistent on downgrading a 100% healthy Moss playing in an great situation because of how he performed in a pathetic Oakland while injured.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Moss' 2005 season was not "horrible". It was a better year than Reggie Wayne had, are you downgrading him for his performance that year? Moss was injuried and playing for a terrible team. What was Wayne's excuse? I don't see how people are so insistent on downgrading a 100% healthy Moss playing in an great situation because of how he performed in a pathetic Oakland while injured.

 

Again, age and attitude count. And he has both working against him in general.

[xenophobe 1]

Again, age and attitude count. And he has both working against him in general.

 

Where are the signs that either are a concern? Setting the league record for TDs sure doesn't look like age is hurting him. Please show me the data on where his attitude is hurting his fantasy stats. Whatever his attitude, his performance speaks for itself. You have a NE team that was happy enough with his attitude and future potential to resign him to a big contract. And Moss was happy enough with things in NE to take less money to stay. But I guess we all know more about the man's attitude and impact of age than the Patriots front office I suppose.

[xenophobe 1]

The problem is you're making the assumption that Moss is a lock for 17 TDs. He's done that twice in the last 10 years

 

He's done it three times in his career. What other active WRs have done it even once?

 

Wayne - 12, Steve Smith - 12, Chad Johnson - 10, Fitz - 10, Edwards - 16, Colston - 11, TO - 16, Holt - 12, Harrison - 15, Boldin - 9, Burress - 12, Andre Johnson - 8, Roy Williams - 8, Muhammad - 16, Ike Bruce 13, Marshall - 7, Welker - 8, TJ Housh - 12, Driver - 9.

 

None of these guys have done it, not even once, and most have never even come close.

[The Moz 71]

The problem is you're making the assumption that Moss is a lock for 17 TDs. He's done that twice in the last 10 years and even throwing out his two horrible years in Oakland where he had 11 TDs in 2 years, he's had lows of 7, 10 and 11 in that span.

 

Is he a top WR? Of course, and he should have another great year. Will he automatically be head and shoulders above all other WRs this year? Probably not, there's a possibility he may not even be the #1 WR.

 

People base too much on the preceding year sometimes. NE slowed down alot in the later part of teh season and playoffs. I don't see another record breaking year.

 

So the question really should be: Would you take the WR you have ranked #1 in the middle of the first round this year? My answer would be "no".

 

 

So Randy Moss - in the exact same offense will for some reason NOT produce even remotley close to what he in 07 ? Granted he may get injured but you cannot predict that. If healthy in that offense how could he get less than 85 - 1400 and 15 - 18 TD's . he is NE's playmaker , their #1 red zone target and other than Brady best offensive weapon.

 

YES last year during the playoffs they went away from Moss and tried to use him more as a decoy - that didn't work to well for them and IMO they realize this season they need to just throw him the focking ball double teamed or not as other than Rice - Moss is the best WR to ever play in the NFL..

 

If you are picking say 1.8 and you see that LT,Westy,AD,Addai,Sjax, Gore, Brady - off the board - Do you select a Portis or Lynch who in all Honesty might get you 1600 total yards and 12 scores - maybe 15 in a great year. Or a WR that IMO if healthy is almost a lock for 85 - 1400 - 17

 

Sorry DO I can't buy your argument but it seems many do. Time will tell again

[jgcrawfish 232]

So Randy Moss - in the exact same offense will for some reason NOT produce even remotley close to what he in 07 ? Granted he may get injured but you cannot predict that. If healthy in that offense how could he get less than 85 - 1400 and 15 - 18 TD's . he is NE's playmaker , their #1 red zone target and other than Brady best offensive weapon.

 

YES last year during the playoffs they went away from Moss and tried to use him more as a decoy - that didn't work to well for them and IMO they realize this season they need to just throw him the focking ball double teamed or not as other than Rice - Moss is the best WR to ever play in the NFL..

 

If you are picking say 1.8 and you see that LT,Westy,AD,Addai,Sjax, Gore, Brady - off the board - Do you select a Portis or Lynch who in all Honesty might get you 1600 total yards and 12 scores - maybe 15 in a great year. Or a WR that IMO if healthy is almost a lock for 85 - 1400 - 17

 

Sorry DO I can't buy your argument but it seems many do. Time will tell again

 

I like this, agreeing to disagree. I'm channelling the spirit of scooter and wanting to call someone a focktard but I won't. In all seriousness, I definitely see your point, and knowing the league champion my oldest league won last year on the strength of Randy (and Brady) lends more credence to it. I just don't like taking a WR that early and I don't believe Moss will get close to that level of production this year. And in a ball control offense like that, I just don't see Beeeeelachick turning the offense loose to throw into double covg to moss that much. But you're right, we'll see won't we?

[xenophobe 1]

I just don't like taking a WR that early

 

That's certainly fair enough. But the elite RBs seem to have taken a big hit lately with a lot of mediocrity going in the first round these days. What backs would you take ahead of Moss?

[Dr. Octopus 0]

Moss' 2005 season was not "horrible". It was a better year than Reggie Wayne had, are you downgrading him for his performance that year? Moss was injuried and playing for a terrible team. What was Wayne's excuse? I don't see how people are so insistent on downgrading a 100% healthy Moss playing in an great situation because of how he performed in a pathetic Oakland while injured.

 

 

He had 8 TDs in 2005 which just goes to the point that you can't pencil him in for 17 TDs automtaically.

 

Where did I downgrade Moss? I said he's a top WR - but may not end up as the top WR. I just don't see him necessarily as head and shoulders above guys like TO, Wayne, CJ, Smith AJ. It wouldn't shock me if any of those guys outproduced him.

 

I'm just disagreeing with the premise that Moss is a LOCK for 17 TDs - when that seldom happens.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

So Randy Moss - in the exact same offense will for some reason NOT produce even remotley close to what he in 07 ? Granted he may get injured but you cannot predict that. If healthy in that offense how could he get less than 85 - 1400 and 15 - 18 TD's . he is NE's playmaker , their #1 red zone target and other than Brady best offensive weapon.

 

YES last year during the playoffs they went away from Moss and tried to use him more as a decoy - that didn't work to well for them and IMO they realize this season they need to just throw him the focking ball double teamed or not as other than Rice - Moss is the best WR to ever play in the NFL..

 

If you are picking say 1.8 and you see that LT,Westy,AD,Addai,Sjax, Gore, Brady - off the board - Do you select a Portis or Lynch who in all Honesty might get you 1600 total yards and 12 scores - maybe 15 in a great year. Or a WR that IMO if healthy is almost a lock for 85 - 1400 - 17

 

Sorry DO I can't buy your argument but it seems many do. Time will tell again

 

I didn't know it was going to be the exact same offense and everything that happened last season would be repeated. Sorry I change my mind then.

 

I didn't say he'd bust, just return to a normal level for him - which would still make him one of the best if not the best.

 

So if Moss only scored 14 TDs (which is a very high number for a WR) you'd be absolutely shocked?

[Dr. Octopus 0]

He's done it three times in his career. What other active WRs have done it even once?

 

Wayne - 12, Steve Smith - 12, Chad Johnson - 10, Fitz - 10, Edwards - 16, Colston - 11, TO - 16, Holt - 12, Harrison - 15, Boldin - 9, Burress - 12, Andre Johnson - 8, Roy Williams - 8, Muhammad - 16, Ike Bruce 13, Marshall - 7, Welker - 8, TJ Housh - 12, Driver - 9.

 

None of these guys have done it, not even once, and most have never even come close.

 

So he's a lock because he did it 3 times. What happned those other seasons or did he play in only 3?

 

You're missing the point. I am not saying Moss will fail or even that he's not the #1 WR heading into this season (I haven't done projections yet) - but he could have an outstanding season and finish with 14 TDs and be comparable to other top WRs.

 

My point is would you take you're #1 WR in the middle of round 1? If you were projecting him to dominate like last season I guess you would - but if he'll only be x amount (nominally) better than the #3 or #4 WR, would you?

[xenophobe 1]

So he's a lock because he did it 3 times. What happned those other seasons or did he play in only 3?

 

You're missing the point. I am not saying Moss will fail or even that he's not the #1 WR heading into this season (I haven't done projections yet) - but he could have an outstanding season and finish with 14 TDs and be comparable to other top WRs.

 

My point is would you take you're #1 WR in the middle of round 1? If you were projecting him to dominate like last season I guess you would - but if he'll only be x amount (nominally) better than the #3 or #4 WR, would you?

 

No one is ever a lock to score 17 TDs, and there is more shake up in the RB position we so highly covet in round 1 than anywhere else. If anyone was truely "a lock" to score 17 TDs, they should go #1 overall not mid first. The fact is, Moss could suffer a HUGE drop off this year and still be the top WR in the league or damn close to it. There is no other WR you could say that about, and there are very few RBs that are remotly a lock to do anything.

[listen2me 23 1,952]

I'd rather take Wayne in the mid to late 2nd round than Most in the Mid to late 1st.

[The Moz 71]

And in a ball control offense like that,

 

HUH ??

 

What was anyhting close to ball control about the Patriots offense last season ?

 

Maybe they focus a little more on running next season but damn Patriots have always thrown alot - just before Moss they didn't have anyone to really throw to so they threw all dinks.

[Mad Brad 0]

Again, age and attitude count. And he has both working against him in general.

 

 

I'll say it again... Please just stand up and say I don't like Randy Moss... And be done with it... Instead of trying to cram this crap down our throats... You obviously just don't like the guy, plain and simple... So quit with all the BS false logic, it's making you just look silly...MB

 

PS. I'm not stating he's a solid early first round pick, but a high second for sure, and prolly still the best (1st) fantasy WR to be drafted in 2008... Unless your biased or just plain stupid...