2008 NFL Draft Weekend Team Thread: Seattle Seahawks

[Kopy 570]

I'm not a Hawks fan, but Coutu was the best kicker in the draft. Hawks got a huge steal with him.

 

 

I had him and Mehlhaff as the only 2 kickers worth drafting. I had them pretty even, but decided to rank Mehlhaff just ahead of Coutu because of health issues.

 

Coutu passed his exam by seattle's officials, so if he's healthy, we did good either way we went.

[phillybear 366]

I had him and Mehlhaff as the only 2 kickers worth drafting. I had them pretty even, but decided to rank Mehlhaff just ahead of Coutu because of health issues.

 

Coutu passed his exam by seattle's officials, so if he's healthy, we did good either way we went.

 

I'm worried about the hamstrings. Two years in a row, he's had issues with them. That's awfully significant for a kicker. They can easily be reoccurring, like with Isaac Bruce or Donte Stallworth.

[FlaHawker 24]

I'm wondering if I can possibly sound any more pompous about the draft? I don't think so, but I can certainly try.

[culboarder11 0]

Okay phillybear. I can only assume you have been joking around in this thread because if not, you are a focking idiot.

[phillybear 366]

Okay phillybear. I can only assume you have been joking around in this thread because if not, you are a focking idiot.

 

Any way you slice it, it was a bad draft.

[culboarder11 0]

Carlson sucks based on all my film work. Obviously, Ruskell panicked and reached for a player.

 

Panicked? He traded up to grab the TE that he wanted. I maybe could see your point if it came to our pick and he had to rush a pick a player, but not when he went out and actually traded for the most NFL ready TE in the draft.

[phillybear 366]

Panicked? He traded up to grab the TE that he wanted. I maybe could see your point if it came to our pick and he had to rush a pick a player, but not when he went out and actually traded for the most NFL ready TE in the draft.

 

Keller was the TE they wanted. He got taken early. Ruskell panicked, traded up, and grabbed somebody else.

 

TEs are rarely NFL ready. Other than Jeremy Shockey, name another TE that did anything in their first year. It's not a coincidence as there is a lot to learn. This guy is a going to be a bench jockey.

 

And I have no idea why you keep calling Carlson NFL ready. He isn't even close to it. And he has horrible hands. Focus on that. He has horrible hands.

[culboarder11 0]

Keller was the TE they wanted. He got taken early. Ruskell panicked, traded up, and grabbed somebody else.

 

TEs are rarely NFL ready. Other than Jeremy Shockey, name another TE that did anything in their first year. It's not a coincidence as there is a lot to learn. This guy is a going to be a bench jockey.

 

And I have no idea why you keep calling Carlson NFL ready. He isn't even close to it. And he has horrible hands. Focus on that. He has horrible hands.

Here are some that all had at least 40 receptions in their rookie season and this is just recently. I didnt bother to look back farther than a few years.

 

Heath Miller

Zach Miller

Greg Olsen

Randy McMichael

 

Here are some scouting reports from various places about Carlson:

 

Had the fortunate circumstance to play in the Charlie Weiss offense at Notre Dame where he was a focal point of a NFL type of offensive attack… has a big body that should hold up to the rigors of the NFL…is going to have a smoother transition to the NFL than several other of the TE prospects who primarily lined up in the slot…more adapt in the blocking game than virtually every other TE prospect in the 2008 draft class…John Carlson is a solid route runner, who maximizes his ability on every down…has good hands, just not elite hands…not a “field stretcher” at the NFL level…

 

Strengths:

Terrific natural athlete...Has very good size and a big frame with long arms...Runs excellent routes and know how to get open...Has soft, reliable hands...Has shown the ability to stretch the field vertically...Runs well after the catch...Good ball skills and body control...Above average blocker...Very smart...A hard worker and leader.

 

Weaknesses:

Timed speed is relatively average and he lacks a burst...Needs to get stronger...Is not overly elusive or much of a big play threat...Could stand to show more power and use better leverage as a blocker...Is coming off of a sub par senior campaign.

 

Notes:

Was also a superb basketball player coming out of high school and even earned a monogram with the Irish basketball team in 2003..Played behind Anthony Fasano, a future 2nd round pick of the Dallas Cowboys, early in his career...Played in a pro style offense in college...Voted a team captain as a senior...Brings a nice blend of physical tools and intangibles to the table...Will not be confused for Antonio Gates any time soon but he is a great all-around tight end who should be a NFL starter.

 

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...ohncarlson.html

 

Please tell me how you even concluded he has mediocre hands, let alone horrible hands? You are an idiot.

[phillybear 366]

Here are some that all had at least 40 receptions in their rookie season and this is just recently. I didnt bother to look back farther than a few years.

 

Heath Miller

Zach Miller

Greg Olsen

Randy McMichael

 

Here are some scouting reports from various places about Carlson:

 

Had the fortunate circumstance to play in the Charlie Weiss offense at Notre Dame where he was a focal point of a NFL type of offensive attack… has a big body that should hold up to the rigors of the NFL…is going to have a smoother transition to the NFL than several other of the TE prospects who primarily lined up in the slot…more adapt in the blocking game than virtually every other TE prospect in the 2008 draft class…John Carlson is a solid route runner, who maximizes his ability on every down…has good hands, just not elite hands…not a “field stretcher” at the NFL level…

 

Strengths:

Terrific natural athlete...Has very good size and a big frame with long arms...Runs excellent routes and know how to get open...Has soft, reliable hands...Has shown the ability to stretch the field vertically...Runs well after the catch...Good ball skills and body control...Above average blocker...Very smart...A hard worker and leader.

 

Weaknesses:

Timed speed is relatively average and he lacks a burst...Needs to get stronger...Is not overly elusive or much of a big play threat...Could stand to show more power and use better leverage as a blocker...Is coming off of a sub par senior campaign.

 

Notes:

Was also a superb basketball player coming out of high school and even earned a monogram with the Irish basketball team in 2003..Played behind Anthony Fasano, a future 2nd round pick of the Dallas Cowboys, early in his career...Played in a pro style offense in college...Voted a team captain as a senior...Brings a nice blend of physical tools and intangibles to the table...Will not be confused for Antonio Gates any time soon but he is a great all-around tight end who should be a NFL starter.

 

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...ohncarlson.html

 

Please tell me how you even concluded he has mediocre hands, let alone horrible hands? You are an idiot.

 

Fine. You are going to go with whatever dopey Charlie Weiss says about one of his players. :oldrolleyes:

 

He is a blocking TE. Whoo Hoo!!! What an addition we have with Stone Hands Carlson!!!! Basically he has the hands of The Thing from Fantastic Four. And we gave away a 3rd rounder to grab this stiff, a guy who probably should have been drafted after the freaking long snapper. Oh, yeah. He is slow, can't play out of the slot, can't break a tackle, incapable of running a seam pattern. He is as mobile as a soft drink dispenser. Allow me a dance of joy.

 

[FlaHawker 24]

Here are some that all had at least 40 receptions in their rookie season and this is just recently. I didnt bother to look back farther than a few years.

 

Heath Miller

Zach Miller

Greg Olsen

Randy McMichael

I think in this offense with Hass at QB, Carlson could easily go 40-450--3. I disagree with Philly but I respect his opinion. I know he follows college football intently. We'll see during the season if Holmy and Ruskell had it right or whether Philly was on the mark.

[culboarder11 0]

I think in this offense with Hass at QB, Carlson could easily go 40-450--3. I disagree with Philly but I respect his opinion. I know he follows college football intently. We'll see during the season if Holmy and Ruskell had it right or whether Philly was on the mark.

 

How can you respect a moron who says Carlson has stone hands when in reality his soft hands are one of his strengths?

 

Holmgren wanted this guy because he is the most NFL ready TE in the draft and wanted him to make an immediate impact as a rookie. And he will.

 

And Philly, what I wrote wasnt from Charlie Weiss. It was from a couple well respected organizations that put out scouting reports. From what you have been saying about Carlson, you must be watching the wrong guy because you are way off base guy.

[phillybear 366]

Sigh. Fine. Let's see what the "experts" are saying. I use my own judgment, but let's see what the hacks think...

 

From ESPN...

Carlson had a disappointing showing at the combine and his 4.88 40 time shows that he's going to have problems working the seam. There are also concerns about the number of passes he dropped last year. However, he has the frame to bulk up and develop into an effective in-line blocker. He also has the wide frame and body control to develop into an effective short-to-intermediate receiver and productive red zone target.

 

 

"If you just entered this business and looked at this year's film on John Carlson, … you're not seeing a lot of things that you really like," Holmgren said. "His junior year was entirely different...Carlson had 40 catches for 372 yards and three touchdowns as a senior

 

 

Nfldraftscout...

Negatives: He's not Jeremy Shockey or Vernon Davis athletically, but he's not a complete slouch. … Could be stronger. … Was prone to drops and lapses in concentration. … Has long arms and decent strength, but tries to block with his shoulders and loses leverage.

 

Foxsports...This writeup seems to be more fair than me or you...

Negatives: Has had knee problems (left in 2005 and right in 2006) that might need further medical evaluation...Has adequate timed speed, but lacks an array of moves and fails to generate a good burst to separate from defenders after the catch...Liability as a deep threat, as he struggles to maintain acceleration (feet tend to die) when having to run long patterns...Needs to be quicker coming out of his stance and into his routes...Loses balance due to poor footwork, whether in his patterns or when generating a kick slide in pass protection...Needs to lower his pads better in order to settle on underneath routes and has to keep his hands active in attempts to beat the jam...Has just adequate playing strength and struggles to gain movement off the snap, especially when a two-gap defender is lined up in front of him...More of a one-cut runner with little hip snap or wiggle to escape after the catch...Lacks that punishing hand jolt to shock a defender and needs to anchor better, as he fails to roll his hips and plant his foot in the ground when facing up to the bull rush...When stood up at the line, the defender can latch on and walk him back into the pocket (must do a better job with his hand placement)...More of a waist bender, making him look sluggish trying to set up and recoil his hands in pass protection (spends time on the ground, as he will lose balance when he narrows his base)...Despite his big frame, he struggles to break arm tackles and second-level defenders take him down at the point of his catch... Does not have the shake to escape from the defender in the open field...Needs to get his head around better and show better arm extension to look the ball in over his outside shoulder...Allows too much penetration when trying to block in-line and needs to use his hands when trying to seal and sustain blocks. Compares To: ALEX SMITH-Tampa Bay...Carlson is a capable short-area receiver with good hands and a tough attitude going for the ball in a crowd. He has just adequate run-after-the-catch agility and is not the type that will be an effective deep threat due to just marginal explosion and a lack of a second gear. He is not a capable blocker, compared to recent Notre Dame tight ends and must improve his overall strength, as more often than not, he is bowled over when trying to block vs. the bull rush. He has had a few knee issues in the past, but was relatively healthy as a senior. His special-teams play is an added bonus and he will add good depth to teams using multiple tight end formations, but he will need time in the training room to add functional strength.

 

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I guess I was wrong. He isn't as good of a blocker as I thought. I guess he will look good playing special teams this year.

[Groundhog 24]

what's not indicated here is that he apparently was still ill on combine day from some sort of intestinal parasite. At his pro day at ND he ran faster and had a better all-around showing. I read somewhere that the Pro Day showing made Ruskell nervous that he might be grabbed early in the 2nd round.

[culboarder11 0]

Carlson was drafted because he is smart, played in an NFL type offense at ND, and is expected to compete for a starting position right away. I see no reason he can't win the job over the TE's we already have. I see a good year in store for him. With Hasselbeck at QB, I think he will be good for at least 40 catches his rookie year. He will be a pro bowler sooner than later.

[pittnthat 0]

Watch out for Eric Pick 6 Wicks. Rookie free agent with some talent and great awareness. And he had a heck of a high school coach. Game changer.

[Kopy 570]

Watch out for Eric Pick 6 Wicks. Rookie free agent with some talent and great awareness. And he had a heck of a high school coach. Game changer.

 

Do you know more about him that you could share? All I know is he was one of the undrafted kids we brought in. Don't know anything about him though.

[pittnthat 0]

Do you know more about him that you could share? All I know is he was one of the undrafted kids we brought in. Don't know anything about him though.

 

I Know a lot about him as my dad was his head coach in High School for 2 years. All H.S. players who make a camp were dominent at that level but I can speak to what I saw at WVU. He has great instincts and breaks on the ball well. But the best part of his game has always been in run support. He will come up and thump you hard and has a knack for ripping the ball out such as D. Johnson from K.C. As a rookie free agent he is a great pick up. I give his chances of making the 53 man roster at 15%. But I think he will make the practice squad. In H.S. as a receiver he scored almost everytime he touched the ball. Keep in mind that WVU plays a 3-5 D alingment so he may have been overlooked with this "gadget D".

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Carlson was drafted because he is smart, played in an NFL type offense at ND, and is expected to compete for a starting position right away. I see no reason he can't win the job over the TE's we already have. I see a good year in store for him. With Hasselbeck at QB, I think he will be good for at least 40 catches his rookie year. He will be a pro bowler sooner than later.

 

I don't see it this year. I'm going to guess that him and Putzier will probably split 40 catches this season, with Heller adding another 5 or 10 (mayyyybe).

 

The year after that could be a different story.

[FlaHawker 24]

I don't see it this year. I'm going to guess that him and Putzier will probably split 40 catches this season, with Heller adding another 5 or 10 (mayyyybe).

 

The year after that could be a different story.

I tend to agree with culboarder11 on Carlson's production this year. Look at these stats:

 

1- 44-444-3

 

2- 39-391-2

 

#1 is Zach Miller and # 2 is Greg Olsen. Both those guys played on mediocre to BAD offenses last year. So why can't Carlson, on a much better offense with a much better QB, at least match those #s?

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I tend to agree with culboarder11 on Carlson's production this year. Look at these stats:

 

1- 44-444-3

 

2- 39-391-2

 

#1 is Zach Miller and # 2 is Greg Olsen. Both those guys played on mediocre to BAD offenses last year. So why can't Carlson, on a much better offense with a much better QB, at least match those #s?

 

Good point. I tend to be a pessimist when it comes to rookie TE's. Obviously, I hope you guys are right.

 

And am I the only one that's pissed we have Branch on our roster instead of Olsen? Hindsight and all that...but still!

 

FOCK!!

[jman316 0]

Good point. I tend to be a pessimist when it comes to rookie TE's. Obviously, I hope you guys are right.

 

And am I the only one that's pissed we have Branch on our roster instead of Olsen? Hindsight and all that...but still!

 

FOCK!!

 

If you've ever heard Olsen's "rap" song, you might be less inclined to wish he was on our team.

 

I still think that Branch will prove himself worthy of the first round pick we gave up. IF not by the end of this coming season, next year for sure.

 

I know to take it with a grain of salt, but Carlson scored a 40 on the wonderlic and that has to bode well for him picking up Holmie's WCO sooner rather than later. He'll surprise some of the naysayers by the end of the year.

 

FWIW, if you think about Ruskell's draft classes since he's been with the Seahawks, they're always met with tons of criticism right after the fact, but those same people end up eating crow when they see how it plays out on the field.

 

Try some kool-aid Philly, it tastes good and gets that bitter taste out of your mouth.

[phillybear 366]

FWIW, if you think about Ruskell's draft classes since he's been with the Seahawks, they're always met with tons of criticism right after the fact, but those same people end up eating crow when they see how it plays out on the field.

 

Try some kool-aid Philly, it tastes good and gets that bitter taste out of your mouth.

 

Upon review, Ruskell has looked like a genius and an idiot, sometimes on back to back picks.

 

I am not a kool-aid drinking fan. I'm just a bitter person in life, traveling the internet universe, wishing AIDS on random people. Yes, that's right. I am a hero.

[culboarder11 0]

Does Phillybear still read these boards? Its my pleasure to bump this thread and let everyone know that phillybear was DEAD WRONG on Carlson and I was right.

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

Does Phillybear still read these boards? Its my pleasure to bump this thread and let everyone know that phillybear was DEAD WRONG on Carlson and I was right.

 

Weren't you the guy that also said DJ Hackett is a better wide receiver than Greg Jennings?

[culboarder11 0]

Weren't you the guy that also said DJ Hackett is a better wide receiver than Greg Jennings?

 

Hackett can never stay healthy. If he could he would be one of the better WRs in the league, especiall on the Seahawks with Hass.

 

I believe I was responding to the fact that some Pack fans were saying a few years ago that their WR corps was better in every way. And i dont think I flat out said Hackett was a better player.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Weren't you the guy that also said DJ Hackett is a better wide receiver than Greg Jennings?

 

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

Hackett can never stay healthy. If he could he would be one of the better WRs in the league, especiall on the Seahawks with Hass.

 

I believe I was responding to the fact that some Pack fans were saying a few years ago that their WR corps was better in every way. And i dont think I flat out said Hackett was a better player.

 

Hackett is a better WR than Driver and Jennings. When he is healthy he is a great WR. He was not even 100% last week and look what he did. In games that he finished this year he averaged 99 yards and exactly 1 TD per. I know he has not been healthy hardly at all this year but he is healthy going into this game, and if he finishes this game, that does not bode well for GB. I find it amazing that he has been able to come back from injury a few times this year and pick up right where he left off with virtually no rust at all.

 

Engram and Driver are about a wash. Both are good solid WRs. Branch, when he is in the game, opens things up so much more for the rest of the offense and is great at creating separation. He has also been oft injured this year but will play on saturday. You guys should know about Burleson, he has had some of his best games vs GB. He is one of the best returners in the league and is also a big threat at WR this year, he also lead Seattle in TDs.

 

I think we also have the edge in QBs.

Hasselbeck has been playing at an all pro level for the past 5 years, whereas Favre has played like a bum the past 2 years and suddenly this year he does well, and all of the sudden he is amazing and cannot be stopped when they spread out the defense with 4 WRs blah blah blah. Hasselbeck threw the same amount of TDs as Favre this year with 3 less INTs. And I really feel better about Hasselbeck stepping up in this game as he has a lot more big game experience than Favre does these past 4 years.

 

[culboarder11 0]

 

Notice I said "when healthy". This is all moot because Hackett can't stay healthy. So I haven't been proved wrong or right.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Notice I said "when healthy". This is all moot because Hackett can't stay healthy. So I haven't been proved wrong or right.

 

I was there with you at that point last season. I still do think Hackett has a lot of talent and would be very good if he could stay healthy

 

However, I was completely off on how good Jennings is. I thought he was a product of Favre, and anybody that saw him play at all this season knows that's not the case.

 

So even if he was healthy (and it's looking like that could never happen) Jennings is better then Hackett.

[culboarder11 0]

I was there with you at that point last season. I still do think Hackett has a lot of talent and would be very good if he could stay healthy

 

However, I was completely off on how good Jennings is. I thought he was a product of Favre, and anybody that saw him play at all this season knows that's not the case.

 

So even if he was healthy (and it's looking like that could never happen) Jennings is better then Hackett.

 

I underestimated Jennings too. But people have to remember, the comments I made came from a playoff trash talk thread. No matter what, fans from a certain team are going to be wrong. GB happened to manhandle us that day and it was the Seattle fans that were wrong. At the point, I thought Hackett was the better player and I stated why (when healthy he puts up #s with the best in the league).

[BMoney 0]

Does Phillybear still read these boards? Its my pleasure to bump this thread and let everyone know that phillybear was DEAD WRONG on Carlson and I was right.

 

 

its the quarterback play of seneca and charlie that made carlson look good

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BMoney 0]

I underestimated Jennings too. But people have to remember, the comments I made came from a playoff trash talk thread. No matter what, fans from a certain team are going to be wrong. GB happened to manhandle us that day and it was the Seattle fans that were wrong. At the point, I thought Hackett was the better player and I stated why (when healthy he puts up #s with the best in the league).

 

 

jennings IS tremendous..but lets not forget..if kelly jennings isnt kelly jennings and actually stays with greg for 3 yards..makes a play on the first lobbed pass and picks it..its a different feeling...

 

but nope...misdirection plays all days and no one on seattles sideline was smart enough to get the right cleats on....

 

game set match...red batty

 

 

(plus brett isnt brett if the guys drop as many passes as seattle loves to in the playoffs..save for the dream season)

[FlaHawker 24]

At the point, I thought Hackett was the better player and I stated why (when healthy he puts up #s with the best in the league).

Hacket has never played more than 14 games, never caught more than 45 passes and never gained more than 600 yards. How can you make that statement?

[Groundhog 24]

Took a quick look back at the '08 draft. My guess is, had Ruskell not traded up in rd 2, from #55 to #38, he might have lost out on Carlson. since the Redskins drafted TE Fred Davis at #47. Now maybe the Skins had Davis rated higher anyway, but my recollection was that Carlson was considered a better prospect, pre-draft. Still, it cost them their 3rd rounder (#86 overall). Is Carlson + nada better than Davis + some random 3rd round prospect?

[culboarder11 0]

Hacket has never played more than 14 games, never caught more than 45 passes and never gained more than 600 yards. How can you make that statement?

 

Re-read my post and it will tell you.

[culboarder11 0]

Took a quick look back at the '08 draft. My guess is, had Ruskell not traded up in rd 2, from #55 to #38, he might have lost out on Carlson. since the Redskins drafted TE Fred Davis at #47. Now maybe the Skins had Davis rated higher anyway, but my recollection was that Carlson was considered a better prospect, pre-draft. Still, it cost them their 3rd rounder (#86 overall). Is Carlson + nada better than Davis + some random 3rd round prospect?

 

I think its apparent the answer to that question is YES. Carlson proved last year he is one of the top young TEs in the NFL, and we won't have to worry about that position for many years.

[phillybear 366]

I think its apparent the answer to that question is YES. Carlson proved last year he is one of the top young TEs in the NFL, and we won't have to worry about that position for many years.

 

You cannot possibly be serious. He is incredibly unproven. Oh, let's say the top 7 or so WRs get hurt for a team. A defense drops back, and no WR can get open. You have to dink and dunk to your RB, and you are forced to throw to the TE. They had no one else to throw to. And the guy still put up mediocre numbers in an emergency situation. This guy is the definition of unproven. Let's see what this guy can do when we operate a regular offense. How does 25 to 30 catches, with 300 receiving and 3 to 4 TDs. That seems fair for projections assuming healthy WRs next year.

 

One of the top young TEs in the league? Come on, don't be such a homer. Is TE still a need for Seattle? Yes, but not with a draft pick. The reality is Seattle reached for this guy. Guess what, Ruskell still doesn't understand value drafting.

[culboarder11 0]

You cannot possibly be serious. He is incredibly unproven. Oh, let's say the top 7 or so WRs get hurt for a team. A defense drops back, and no WR can get open. You have to dink and dunk to your RB, and you are forced to throw to the TE. They had no one else to throw to. And the guy still put up mediocre numbers in an emergency situation. This guy is the definition of unproven. Let's see what this guy can do when we operate a regular offense. How does 25 to 30 catches, with 300 receiving and 3 to 4 TDs. That seems fair for projections assuming healthy WRs next year.

 

One of the top young TEs in the league? Come on, don't be such a homer. Is TE still a need for Seattle? Yes, but not with a draft pick. The reality is Seattle reached for this guy. Guess what, Ruskell still doesn't understand value drafting.

 

haha. Top 10 in every stat for TE's as a rookie. TE is not a need unless depth at the #2 and 3 spots. You are a focking idiot.

[phillybear 366]

haha. Top 10 in every stat for TE's as a rookie. TE is not a need unless depth at the #2 and 3 spots. You are a focking idiot.

 

THEY HAD NO ONE ELSE TO THROW TO.

 

 

I had to capitalize it so that you wouldn't miss the obvious. Again. His stats were severely padded. And how am I an idiot? I know players. I watch several hundred college games a year. I've lost track how many Pro Bowlers I've drafted running the Seahawk drafts at this site. Can't say the same for Ruskell. But I'm an idiot because you feel your blind homeristic evaluation of a single solitary player was better than mine. That is the worst argument I've ever heard of. You are a boob.

 

I hope you draft Carlson as your starting TE in fantasy football this year. That should teach you a lesson.

[culboarder11 0]

THEY HAD NO ONE ELSE TO THROW TO.

I had to capitalize it so that you wouldn't miss the obvious. Again. His stats were severely padded. And how am I an idiot? I know players. I watch several hundred college games a year. I've lost track how many Pro Bowlers I've drafted running the Seahawk drafts at this site. Can't say the same for Ruskell. But I'm an idiot because you feel your blind homeristic evaluation of a single solitary player was better than mine. That is the worst argument I've ever heard of. You are a boob.

 

I hope you draft Carlson as your starting TE in fantasy football this year. That should teach you a lesson.

 

Even being a rookie and the only teams viable threat in the passing game (meaning defenses could key on him), I still never saw him drop a pass. He is one of the best young TE's in the league. Did I mention you were a focking idiot?