GettnHuge 2 Posted May 16, 2008 per ESPN/Mike and Mike So put him on your 'DO NOT DRAFT' list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted May 16, 2008 That's assuming he doesn't shatter his glass collarbone or hurt his wittle knee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,087 Posted May 16, 2008 ADP >>>> LT2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belushi 9 Posted May 16, 2008 Sure. And the Lions will win 10 games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Hook 6 Posted May 16, 2008 What did Sjax say last year???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myjimmy1 0 Posted May 16, 2008 kiss of death---might as well put him on madden cover gore had same sights last year and sjax also Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted May 16, 2008 He will probably rush for 2000 yards in his next 16 healthy games. Unfortunately those will probably be spread out over 2-3 seasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sweetness_34 0 Posted May 16, 2008 I thought we were giving the SB trophy already to the Vikings.....just ask numbnuts like Shonuff who seem to already know who will suck and who will be great next year.....just like they knew the Giants were going to win the SB at this time last year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belushi 9 Posted May 16, 2008 I thought we were giving the SB trophy already to the Vikings.....just ask numbnuts like Shonuff who seem to already know who will suck and who will be great next year.....just like they knew the Giants were going to win the SB at this time last year I would think Shonuff would give the SB trophy to the Packers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ER MAN 0 Posted May 17, 2008 per ESPN/Mike and Mike So put him on your 'DO NOT DRAFT' list. :overhead: It's nice for Peterson to have a goal of 2000 yards but I just don't see it happening because Jackson still won't be consistent enough to make plays in the passing game to offset 8-10 guys in the box on most downs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timinator 0 Posted May 17, 2008 Peterson is one of the most high-risk, high-reward players I can remember. I'm a Packer fan living in Minneapolis so I'd like to think it keeps me more objective on both teams. Obviously, Peterson has immense talent. Nobody should be shocked if he hits 2,000. And nobody should be shocked if MN's QB stalls again and he gets 950 yards and finished the season on IR. As a FF owner, I'll be OK letting someone else take that gamble. And as a football fan, I'll still enjoy every gosh darned highlight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted May 18, 2008 I thought we were giving the SB trophy already to the Vikings.....just ask numbnuts like Shonuff who seem to already know who will suck and who will be great next year.....just like they knew the Giants were going to win the SB at this time last year Wow, you continue to amaze me. Are you 14? And AP is climbing up the overrated ladder at breakneck speed. Not a good speed for a guy that fragile. Don't be surprised when Chester leads Minny in rushing this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted May 18, 2008 Is he really THAT injury prone? I mean last year he got a shoulder pad to the knee, can't do anything about that... His upright style may get him bruised up a bit though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted May 18, 2008 Is he really THAT injury prone? I mean last year he got a shoulder pad to the knee, can't do anything about that... His upright style may get him bruised up a bit though. He also missed a big chunk of time in college due to a non-contact injury. He broke his collarbone divving into the endzone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Four More Beers 0 Posted May 18, 2008 Fred Taylor also had a similar prediction a few years ago, although I don't think he said 'MVP'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raider 84 29 Posted May 18, 2008 I think Gore made the same comment as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted May 18, 2008 He also missed a big chunk of time in college due to a non-contact injury. He broke his collarbone divving into the endzone. Yea that was just dumb. He jumped and landed right on it....I don't really call it injury prone. I think injuries are basically luck. Some guys have more because the style of play (McNair) or some are slowed by past knee injuries. I think his style of running is more too it than him being injury prone. He is crazy talented and I would take him 1st in a dynasty league, even PPR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ER MAN 0 Posted May 18, 2008 Yea that was just dumb. He jumped and landed right on it....I don't really call it injury prone. I think injuries are basically luck. Some guys have more because the style of play (McNair) or some are slowed by past knee injuries. I think his style of running is more too it than him being injury prone. He is crazy talented and I would take him 1st in a dynasty league, even PPR. I would totally agree about his runing game as he looks for contact more than he looks to run out of bounds and save himself from a big hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROCKET 0 Posted May 18, 2008 It's nice for Peterson to have a goal of 2000 yards but I just don't see it happening because Jackson still won't be consistent enough to make plays in the passing game to offset 8-10 guys in the box on most downs. This has to be the stupidest arguement you can make against ADP. How can the 08 Vikings passing game be any less potent than the 07 version? He was still busting off 297 yard games with a craptastic passing game around him which no team respected. If the guy stays healthy for 16 games which people can debate, he will put up at least 1600 yards guaranteed. His supporting cast in the passing game has been proven irrelevant. For all we know he'd probably put up less yards with a good passing game around him as his touches would diminish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Timinator 0 Posted May 19, 2008 His supporting cast in the passing game has been proven irrelevant. Peterson averaged only 36 yards rushing per game during the last four games of 2007. This fact means that the Vikings' passing game and supporting cast remain huge question marks. Hardly irrelevant. In fact, I'd say these concerns need to be proven otherwise. I believe Frerotte may be Peterson's best hope. Much more so than Berrian, the Bears' version of Troy Williamson. (Sidney Rice is by far MN's best WR.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROCKET 0 Posted May 19, 2008 Peterson averaged only 36 yards rushing per game during the last four games of 2007. This fact means that the Vikings' passing game and supporting cast remain huge question marks. Hardly irrelevant. In fact, I'd say these concerns need to be proven otherwise. I believe Frerotte may be Peterson's best hope. Much more so than Berrian, the Bears' version of Troy Williamson. (Sidney Rice is by far MN's best WR.) What about the games where he rushed for 200+ yards and was busting off long td runs? Are you saying teams changed their schemes in the last 4 games and suddenly figured out how to stop him? I'm not buying it. The guy has arguably the best physical tools in the game as a rb and arguably the best O-line in front of him. The only concerns I have for ADP are injury. The passing game doesn't worry me one bit. I'm sure he'll put up 3-5 games where he doesn't put up big #'s and 10+ games where he's a stud. I'll take that any day. Now for the Vikings to win games they need a better passing game but all I care about is fantasy production. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 19, 2008 I would think Shonuff would give the SB trophy to the Packers. Sweetness is having trouble with people thinking the Bears will not be much better this year. And no, I would not give it to either GB or Minny right now...just that both of those teams are the favorites to come out of that division. (somehow, stating that also makes me a homer) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted May 19, 2008 Minny always makes big splashes in FA and get new guys....and always are appointed to be the winners of the Div. But they never seem to get that much better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holamolla 0 Posted May 19, 2008 This has to be the stupidest arguement you can make against ADP. How can the 08 Vikings passing game be any less potent than the 07 version? He was still busting off 297 yard games with a craptastic passing game around him which no team respected. If the guy stays healthy for 16 games which people can debate, he will put up at least 1600 yards guaranteed. His supporting cast in the passing game has been proven irrelevant. For all we know he'd probably put up less yards with a good passing game around him as his touches would diminish. some people just don't get how good adp and hutchinson are....they are the same fools who passed on him in the second and third round last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted May 19, 2008 Weren't his two monster games last year against the Bears and the Chargers, two of the gayest teams in the league? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottyFargo 0 Posted May 19, 2008 Weren't his two monster games last year against the Bears and the Chargers, two of the gayest teams in the league? I heard that the Chargers were a playoff caliber team, but I admit I know nothing of their sexual orientation. Probably because that would have no bearing on the discussion, but if it concerns you, you could try searching Craigslist for casual encounters with football teams and see what turns up. Just be safe. Berrian wasn't even in the top 15 (the lists I read never even included him, so I don't even know where he'd rank.) for dropped passes last year, so he can hardly be said to be Troy Williamson-like, and that's pretty much people's biggest complaint with him. He wasn't very special without QB help in Chicago, so he isn't very likely to be a miracle worker for T.J., however. Rice is going to keep getting better, so that's cool. Berrian is undoubtedly a good move for the passing game, though, simply because he provides more opportunity than what the Vikings had before. The last four games of the season are what they are. He proved he's still got moves in the Pro-Bowl (where I THINK he got the MVP) but we all know it's not like everyone was giving their all there (plus ignored calls and such), but it was nice to see that he didn't get "broken" from his injury. He's not fragile, it's not like his bones or tendons are weaker than anybody elses. The only viable argument against him is his style of running and the way he hits defenders instead of making his way to the outside. That's it. I hope everyone I draft with this year feels the same way and doesn't want him, or is scared that he's jinxed himself with the talk of getting 2k and MVP. He wanted Rookie of the Year last year, and he went out and got it. Just saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted May 19, 2008 He also missed a big chunk of time in college due to a non-contact injury. He broke his collarbone divving into the endzone. He was clipped in the ankle/foot if you watch the highlights closely making him dive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Savage Beast 1 Posted May 19, 2008 Don't be surprised when Chester leads Minny in rushing this season. With 400 yards? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lionsjunkie 1 Posted May 19, 2008 Barry Sanders never said he'd do it and went out and did it with arguably one the worst O-lines we've ever seen. It's a wonder these kids in the NFL today (Gore, AP etc, etc) just don't learn from the greatest ever and JUST DO IT...all this talk of this guy and that guy rushing for 2000 yards is disgusting Hope AP struggles to break 1000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottyFargo 0 Posted May 19, 2008 Barry Sanders never said he'd do it and went out and did it with arguably one the worst O-lines we've ever seen. It's a wonder these kids in the NFL today (Gore, AP etc, etc) just don't learn from the greatest ever and JUST DO IT...all this talk of this guy and that guy rushing for 2000 yards is disgusting Hope AP struggles to break 1000 Is that all lions fans have left, spite? You shouldn't waste your wishes on Minnesota. There's nothing wrong with setting a goal for yourself. He didn't guarantee that he was a lock for 2k, he said he wants to do it. The lions will have their shot at making that hard for him twice this year, I wish them luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ratbastard1 0 Posted May 20, 2008 Didnt he achieve what he said he would last year? What do you want this exciting runner to say? "Um if I don't get injured and Chester doesnt take 1/2 my carries and Tavaris doesn't regress I'll go 1500 and 10." The kid believes in himself and so do I. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted May 20, 2008 I would put my faith in ADP as my number one back if someone could tell me when he's going to have one of hi monster games, and someone could tell me when he's going to have one of his famous 15 carries for 42 yard games. Too much inconsistancy for me. Sure, he'll single-handedly win some games for you, but I can't afford crappy production from my RB1 for more than half of my games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,087 Posted May 20, 2008 I would put my faith in ADP as my number one back if someone could tell me when he's going to have one of hi monster games, and someone could tell me when he's going to have one of his famous 15 carries for 42 yard games.Too much inconsistancy for me. Sure, he'll single-handedly win some games for you, but I can't afford crappy production from my RB1 for more than half of my games. So after one season he has FAMOUS 15/42 games He was a rookie last year. He is only going to get better. Pass on him all you want, I'll be happy to take him as my #1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted May 20, 2008 So after one season he has FAMOUS 15/42 games He was a rookie last year. He is only going to get better. Pass on him all you want, I'll be happy to take him as my #1 homer words. I know he was a rookie. I also know he has tremendous talent. But, for my money, I need to count on my RB1 to be consistant and give me 80+ yards, even on his bad days. I'd much rather a guy give me 85, 110, 95, 105, 95 than 45, 225, 65, 50, 185 The numbers on the right add up to a rushing title. The numbers on the left add up to fantasy wins. And that's not even taking his crystal-bone-structure into account. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holamolla 0 Posted May 21, 2008 homer words. I know he was a rookie. I also know he has tremendous talent. But, for my money, I need to count on my RB1 to be consistant and give me 80+ yards, even on his bad days. I'd much rather a guy give me 85, 110, 95, 105, 95 than 45, 225, 65, 50, 185 The numbers on the right add up to a rushing title. The numbers on the left add up to fantasy wins. And that's not even taking his crystal-bone-structure into account. wow this makes no sense, the guy can single handedly win you a game when it actually matters, sounds like you like playing for second place. detroit, az and atlanta in the ff playoffs, you go ahead and pass on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted May 21, 2008 wow this makes no sense, the guy can single handedly win you a game when it actually matters, sounds like you like playing for second place. detroit, az and atlanta in the ff playoffs, you go ahead and pass on him. I wouldn't pass on him as my RB2. With the numbers I posted, if ADP was my RB1, I'd likely win two games easily, and need a ton of points from my 'non-studs' to win the other 3. Hey, maybe Peterson becomes a consistant week-in-and-week-out threat this year. That would be great. I just can't pick him too early and watch a repeat performance of last year. I'm more of a conservative drafter. I let teh other guys roll teh dice. Give me my 1100 yards/12 TD-guy as my RB1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottyFargo 0 Posted May 21, 2008 I wouldn't pass on him as my RB2. With the numbers I posted, if ADP was my RB1, I'd likely win two games easily, and need a ton of points from my 'non-studs' to win the other 3. Hey, maybe Peterson becomes a consistant week-in-and-week-out threat this year. That would be great. I just can't pick him too early and watch a repeat performance of last year. I'm more of a conservative drafter. I let teh other guys roll teh dice. Give me my 1100 yards/12 TD-guy as my RB1. He's all but assured of a more productive year this year. For the first half of the season, his carries were limited (he didn't recieve any touches the second half against Green Bay the first time they faced, after he posted 100 yards in the first half) That's not going to be the case. There will still be a split between Taylor and Peterson, but they will be able to manage it better this year. He missed two games due to injury, and he still came back and posted a barn burner against detroit. 2 TD, 100 yards. That's what he's capable of. The week after, San Fran's D figured out the right way to stop him, and in his own words Peterson said he became anxious and wasn't waiting for his blocks. He was trying too hard to make something happen. I believe he's working the bugs out to bring a more balanced attack throughout the year. He'll always have that explosive chance to break off chunks and chunks of yardage. Only 2 of his 14 games last year did he have a Longest Run less than 10 yards, San Francisco and Denver. He is not guaranteed to be injured for lengths of time again this year, but I can see why people may be apprehensive about it. He is looking to add on to his pass receptions as well (avg 14.1 over 19 receptions, again a home run threat whenever he gets the ball) and Tarvaris is entering his second full season as starter with a much upgraded team. I think this is a situation where the player in question has every bit of a chance to live up to the hype. You get consistency and even solid late game production from Clinton Portis, but Adrian Peterson isn't as likely to let you down as you're assuming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ratbastard1 0 Posted May 21, 2008 I wouldn't pass on him as my RB2. With the numbers I posted, if ADP was my RB1, I'd likely win two games easily, and need a ton of points from my 'non-studs' to win the other 3. Hey, maybe Peterson becomes a consistant week-in-and-week-out threat this year. That would be great. I just can't pick him too early and watch a repeat performance of last year. I'm more of a conservative drafter. I let teh other guys roll teh dice. Give me my 1100 yards/12 TD-guy as my RB1. I don't really think he's a "roll of the dice". Compared to who? Everyone has risk. You wouldn't want him as a RB1? Where would you rank him? Bottom half of top ten? This guy's a stud worth top 3 in any draft, redraft or keeper or anything else. I think he's #1 but to rank him 4 or lower is just crazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackills 19 Posted May 21, 2008 Please They guy got shut down the last 4 games of the season. He might as well predict a million yard season and that he'll be the President of the United States when all is said and done next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites