6th Round Commentary

[Jetdoc 20]

The final chance to fill out the last of your starters...

[Da Bomb 0]

i had to wonder when henry would go. my how the mighty have fallen, he was a consensus first rounder last year. i guess everyone has finally mailed it in on the denver RB situation. et tu, nan?

[Fumbleweed 547]

I don't think it's a guarantee that Henry will even make the team in Denver. Very hard situation to read if you're having to assess it between now and August.

[ShaneFalco 0]

my guess is that Henry gets cut and another Denver RB gets a majority of the carries...

 

who knows with shanny though

[JScott 20]

I'm guessing most expected me to take another QB, but even with all the yards that QB throws for his TD:INT ratio has been on a stead decline the last 3 season (roughly 3:1, 2:1, and 1:1) and his team is in more disarray going into this season than any other. On the other hand Big Ben has quietly had steady improvement each of the last 3 seasons. These are not your daddy's Steelers. They throw the ball in the endzone. Roth was 32:11 last season and even though he only threw for 3100 I expect that to go up. Holmes is emerging, Ward is still the willy vet and they added Sweed, the tall WR Roth has been beginning for. Add the fact that in their division they need to score points to win, no more control the ball/clock. I expect Ben to have 3600/34/14 this season.

 

I think early 6th is good value for the production I expect... but could I have got him later, I doubt it. Too many savvy drafters in this group, someone would have grabbed Ben before 7.11. So IMO I was forced to grab him a little earlier than I could have got him (if I could have traded down some).

[FantasyKing 4]

I like Big Ben pick there but I am a Steeler homer. The only thing that worries me about my team and their fantasy prospects this year is their schedule. Man it is brutal!

[JScott 20]

I like Big Ben pick there but I am a Steeler homer. The only thing that worries me about my team and their fantasy prospects this year is their schedule. Man it is brutal!

 

All the more reason for Ben to throw more

[NAn 39]

I agree totally on Jscott's assessment of the 'other QB' and why I didn't want him.

 

I considered Roth too and like the pick but wanted to explain why I didn't go with him.

 

He was ahead of Hass in FF scoring but due to a couple of rushing tds by Roth.

 

Also, yes steelers started throwing more and should continue, but even last yr only had 3100 pass yds along with 32 pass tds.

 

I don't see passing yds increasing much more than a couple hundred and would expect his pass tds to settle in to around 27-28.

 

Take all that into account and minus the 2 rush tds and like Hass to edge out Roth this year.

 

With all that said, with Roth/other qb being flashier, think you guys were right that could have waited on Hass till 6th.

 

No worries...I was targetting Winslow (like that and Gates pick, though curious to see how Gates is used now with more weapons for Bolts QB on offense) and Taylor and got Taylor.

 

Thoughts on him?

 

I know he's 'fragile fred', but despite the moniker think Jags have found niche with him and MJD where fred has avg 1300totyds/5.5 tds past 2 years and decent as a #3 (particularly with what else is out there)

[Jetdoc 20]

Blech...I thought I'd wind up with Carson after all that talk, but Fumble pulled an oddity and decided to draft his backup QB (with Brady in the fold).

 

McNabb isn't someone to get too excited about, but I love how he came on at the end of last season and started to perform like the McNabb of old. That and, IMO, the falloff after McNabb was a bit too steep for me to pass on him at this point.

[ShaneFalco 0]

love the kevin smith pick

 

i'm a lions homer and from everything i've seen so far i firmly believe he's going to start from day one.

 

offensive philosophy is changing to run-first and they're committed to upgrading the offensive line, i see KS making a strong push for OROY

[kutulu 1,676]

love the kevin smith pick

 

i'm a lions homer and from everything i've seen so far i firmly believe he's going to start from day one.

 

offensive philosophy is changing to run-first and they're committed to upgrading the offensive line, i see KS making a strong push for OROY

 

 

I needed a backup RB for my backup RB.

[JScott 20]

He was ahead of Hass in FF scoring but due to a couple of rushing tds by Roth.

 

Also, yes steelers started throwing more and should continue, but even last yr only had 3100 pass yds along with 32 pass tds.

 

I don't see passing yds increasing much more than a couple hundred and would expect his pass tds to settle in to around 27-28.

 

Take all that into account and minus the 2 rush tds and like Hass to edge out Roth this year.

 

Curious why you're discounting Ben's rushing TDs. I could see if it was a one year thing but he's rushed for 2/2/3 the last three seasons. So IMO that should be part of your projections (at least 1 conservatively).

 

As for his yards, yes it was only 3100+ in 07 but 3500+ in 06 and with Steelers (and the NFL) becoming more reliant on the passing game I expect Roth to surpass 06 numbers by a hundred or so. In that season PIT was throwing out of necessity but in 08 IMO it will be more their offensive style.

 

As for the passing TDs I think he'll stay around the same (low 30s) with the addition of Sweed in the redzone.

 

 

ETA: Plus his 06 & 07 stats are from 15 games. If you project 16 games I'd say my projected numbers are right on.

[remote controller 143]

I just got back in and will select in the next 10 minutes or so.

[Da Bomb 0]

Blech...I thought I'd wind up with Carson after all that talk, but Fumble pulled an oddity and decided to draft his backup QB (with Brady in the fold).

 

McNabb isn't someone to get too excited about, but I love how he came on at the end of last season and started to perform like the McNabb of old. That and, IMO, the falloff after McNabb was a bit too steep for me to pass on him at this point.

 

come on now, how many mocks have you been in with fumble? he always ALWAYS drafts his 2nd qb high because qbs always fall in this mock. i guarantee you he wouldve taken romo in the 3rd or brees in the 5th if they fell there too.

 

i didnt expect mcnabb to go this high, but i like the pick. through all the injuries, he consistently posts GREAT ppg stats while he actually plays. i say take the starts and find one of the many adequate backups to fill in the rest. though id have liked him better as a 7th round pick, not a pick immediately following palmer.

[Da Bomb 0]

i really am quite stunned at the tumble that palmer has taken. a full round and a half after anderson, and also after hass and big ben? i didnt expect that. just a year ago this guy was the surest thing there after brady and manning. and not even after brady for some. yeah i know theres a lot going on in cincy right now, but this is a guy who is averaging 4000 yards and 28 TDs each of the last three seasons. for once i think i actually support fumble's pick here. no way palmer isnt a starting caliber qb and worthy trade bait at some point during the year.

 

re: fred taylor. i considered him at 5.4 as a rb2 until i saw lendale there. hes nothing to get excited about, probably about the 25th or 30th best RB out there, but as steady a RB3 as you can get. plug him in and ride for 70 yards at least and maybe get lucky with a long run or a TD. great pickup at that point imo.

[Da Bomb 0]

well color me very surprised. donald driver was quite honestly my backup plan at 4.9 if both chad and calvin were gone there. theres always all sorts of crazy love for driver in this mock and among FFTers. you havent all swapped over to jennings that fast, have you? the guy gets 11-1200 yards every year, and this is an even year which means a bounceback TD season. hes solidly in my top 15 WRs, whether favre or rodgers or brohm. obviously he isnt a steal since you all have passed on him a full two rounds further than i expected. im just wondering why everyone is passing on mr consistency now.

[remote controller 143]

I had Driver and Williams in my sights for my 6.08 pick, but had to go RB. There are other Wr's out there I can live with in 9 to 10 picks but there were no other backs that perked my interest at this point.

[Vikings4ever 550]

well color me very surprised. donald driver was quite honestly my backup plan at 4.9 if both chad and calvin were gone there. theres always all sorts of crazy love for driver in this mock and among FFTers. you havent all swapped over to jennings that fast, have you? the guy gets 11-1200 yards every year, and this is an even year which means a bounceback TD season. hes solidly in my top 15 WRs, whether favre or rodgers or brohm. obviously he isnt a steal since you all have passed on him a full two rounds further than i expected. im just wondering why everyone is passing on mr consistency now.

I was really considering him with my next pick, but I'm very wary of him.

 

Last year was a really down year, barely hitting 1000 yards, and only scoring 2 TDs, and only hitting 100 yards in 2 games. Add that to the new QB situation, and his stock has fallen.

[Da Bomb 0]

haha i guess its a good thing i didnt take him at my 4.9. and you guys thought you didnt like calvin!

[remote controller 143]

I was really considering him with my next pick, but I'm very wary of him.

 

Last year was a really down year, barely hitting 1000 yards, and only scoring 2 TDs, and only hitting 100 yards in 2 games. Add that to the new QB situation, and his stock has fallen.

Bingo, and not a top 15 wideout anymore for sure!!! Factor into this that Jones got plenty of Snaps with Rodgers. Driver has been a consistent 5th rounder, and usually a steal there. It is no suprise he dropped a round. Don't get me wrong, I was looking at him here. I just don't feel he is top 15 material or even close with the changes at QB.

[NAn 39]

Re: Ben

Excellent pt about his history of rush tds Scott...didn't realize he was pretty consistent yr to yr. For me, unless we're talking a Vick/Mcnabb I try not to factor rush tds for qbs into projections.

And just don't know about him throwing for 30 tds again...last year was an oddity with 4 qbs throwing for 30+, but only 1 qb hs done that each year in previous 5 years.

Guess my pt was that yardage totals are more consistent for a qb as opposed to number of tds he throws...so I took guy who I think will be close to Ben in tds, but IMO way ahead in pass yds.

 

Re: Palmer

Yes, you'll get 4000 yds from him, but his td totals have went down each year. And remember, there's -1 for INTs and Palmer's INTs have went up each year, including 20 last year. That in itself will minus out a couple td passes v other qbs. And of the 26 last year he had SIX in one game. I usually don't like to discount high or low game totals but 6 of 26 is alot of your year's totals. Add in Scott's comments and that bengals have definitely taken a step back as an efficient offense (so many drives died last year b/c of turnovers or just inability to convert on 3rd down..often times b/c of being in 3rd and long situations).

[remote controller 143]

haha i guess its a good thing i didnt take him at my 4.9. and you guys thought you didnt like calvin!

I had Calvin above Driver, but I had Roy Williams above Calvin. I did get a chance to hear the NFL radio boys speak glowingly of Calvin though. They are in your camp for sure. They feel that Roy will get a few more grabs and more yardage but that calvin will make up for it in Td's! It will be an interesting situation, and dependent on the Qb staying upright. The emphasis on the run should help, though it could prove to be 6 hard games , for sure, to run against in the Norse this year.

[remote controller 143]

I'm jumped on Brees in the 4th cause I didn't think Big Ben would make it back to me in the 5th. That was a great pick. I also like the value on Palmer, Ward and Driver. Nice job!

[Da Bomb 0]

Bingo, and not a top 15 wideout anymore for sure!!! Factor into this that Jones got plenty of Snaps with Rodgers. Driver has been a consistent 5th rounder, and usually a steal there. It is no suprise he dropped a round. Don't get me wrong, I was looking at him here. I just don't feel he is top 15 material or even close with the changes at QB.

 

well hes exactly #15 for me, so i guess hes not a rock solid top 15 wr, but a guy i would feel pretty good with as a wr2. i guess i always remember him going high 4th, sometimes even low 3rd now and then, but maybe im remembering wrong.

[remote controller 143]

well hes exactly #15 for me, so i guess hes not a rock solid top 15 wr, but a guy i would feel pretty good with as a wr2. i guess i always remember him going high 4th, sometimes even low 3rd now and then, but maybe im remembering wrong.

You probaly are right on and i am likely off. Mad Cow ya know!!!

[Fumbleweed 547]

Basically, when I see a player still around about 20 picks after I have him valued to go, I usually take him. In this case, if this were a real team....I would probably shop either Brady or Palmer after the draft concluded. I try to mock in this mock like I would if it were a real team. And, in a real draft....this is what I would have done. It will make my final product here look unbalanced, but I'm not trying to round out a team that gets praise from my peers for its balance at the end of the day...I'm trying to do everything the way I would really do it in building a team (assuming trades were/are a part of the equation).

[Da Bomb 0]

can i deduce by this that you wouldve taken palmer right around where brees actually want, near the end of the 4th?

[Fumbleweed 547]

can i deduce by this that you wouldve taken palmer right around where brees actually want, near the end of the 4th?

 

I have him valued at 4.10....so if I didn't have a QB yet, I would have started looking for him about right there...sure. I don't think he's as valuable as Brees, though.

[robb 81]

I know, I'll get lots of ###### for taking Cedric as my #3 RB, but to be honest....he's the only starting running back still on the board and until I hear that Peterson or Forte takes that away from him, getting a starter in the 6th round is as good as it gets.

 

Now, don't get me wrong....I realize the "down side" to him (and there are many!), but he is a starter and I won't need another RB for a while. I am "eyeing" one other player on the flip side to round out my team, but Benson is a value pick at this point in the draft.

 

So........lay it on me fellas!!!!!

[Fumbleweed 547]

Chambers is an outstanding pick here. I almost passed on Palmer for him at 6.06....I think he'll be a top 15-20 WR this year and will get better as the year goes on.

[Vikings4ever 550]

Chambers is an outstanding pick here. I almost passed on Palmer for him at 6.06....I think he'll be a top 15-20 WR this year and will get better as the year goes on.

For years, he's been disappointing in Miami. Now he has an actual QB and other weapons to take the focus off him. I'll gladly take him as my 3rd WR.

[remote controller 143]

For years, he's been disappointing in Miami. Now he has an actual QB and other weapons to take the focus off him. I'll gladly take him as my 3rd WR.

What??? No love for Fiedler!!

[JScott 20]

I don't think it's a guarantee that Henry will even make the team in Denver. Very hard situation to read if you're having to assess it between now and August.

 

my guess is that Henry gets cut and another Denver RB gets a majority of the carries...

 

who knows with shanny though

 

6.01 Travis Henry, RB DEN