Supreme Court Screws America

[FlaHawker 24]

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle4123181.ece

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

As a republican, i am against using torture. I dont want american prisoners of war tortured if another country captures them, and the best way to prevent that is to set an example as the most powerful country in the world, and that example should be that we dont torture the PoW's that we have.

 

Even other countries terrorists should have rights in our prisons. It is a way we as a country could demonstrate a moral superiority(which we dont have, but its nice to dream).

 

 

I think we should close down Guantanamo Bay, or at least change how it is operated.

[IGotWorms 4,062]

:rejoicing:

 

It's about damn time somebody confronted this administration's lawless tactics in executing the war on terror.

[BudBro 183]

now, the interrogation will be done on the battle field, or wherever the terrorists are captured. they will either be killed on site and intelligence taken from what is left behind, or whatever info is to be garnered will be done quickly and then the carcass will be left to the birds. seems like a progressive move on the part of the supreme court. the bottom line is that it's an insult and a stab in the back to those who serve in uniform for us.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

the bottom line is that it's an insult and a stab in the back to those who serve in uniform for us.

 

It benefits them, the only way we can prevent our own PoW's from getting tortured is by showing our enemies that we dont torture their PoW's.

 

 

I think this is the exact opposite of your statement.

[NorthernVike 2,094]

now, the interrogation will be done on the battle field, or wherever the terrorists are captured. they will either be killed on site and intelligence taken from what is left behind, or whatever info is to be garnered will be done quickly and then the carcass will be left to the birds. seems like a progressive move on the part of the supreme court. the bottom line is that it's an insult and a stab in the back to those who serve in uniform for us.

 

 

absofuckinglutley

[NorthernVike 2,094]

It benefits them, the only way we can prevent our own PoW's from getting tortured is by showing our enemies that we dont torture their PoW's.

I think this is the exact opposite of your statement.

 

 

Our enemies could care less. Look at Vietnam, look at that chick that was captured by the Iraqies. Raped and beaten. Do you really think what we do is going to influence them one bit?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

It benefits them, the only way we can prevent our own PoW's from getting tortured is by showing our enemies that we dont torture their PoW's.

I think this is the exact opposite of your statement.

 

Our enemy is the Islamic radicals around the globe. In case you havn't noticed they love to behead their captives and post it on the internet. Get back to us when you figure out how to stop that shiat.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

Our enemy is the Islamic radicals around the globe. In case you havn't noticed they love to behead their captives and post it on the internet. Get back to us when you figure out how to stop that shiat.

 

Your right, Guantanamo Bay has been so effective.

 

 

I change my stance starting immediately, we need at least 10-15 detention camps like Guantanamo Bay. That will stop terrorism in its tracts!

 

 

 

Also you are saying how you believe in god in one thread, and in another you are saying you support a torture camp, dont you see the hypocrisy?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Your right, Guantanamo Bay has been so effective.

I change my stance starting immediately, we need at least 10-15 detention camps like Guantanamo Bay. That will stop terrorism in its tracts!

 

So you have squat when it comes to stopping them from beheading captives (military or civilian). Keep throwing that "Guantanamo Bay" red herring out here though, it is amusing.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Also you are saying how you believe in god in one thread, and in another you are saying you support a torture camp, dont you see the hypocrisy?

 

Nice edit.

 

Link to me saying I believe in God in another thread? Link to Guantanomo being a torture camp?

 

You are really reaching.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

So you have squat when it comes to stopping them from beheading captives (military or civilian). Keep throwing that "Guantanamo Bay" red herring out here though, it is amusing.

 

How does Guantanamo Bay help prevent our military and civilian captives from being beheaded. Guantanamo Bay didnt open until 2002, yet all of those beheadings you are referring to occurred after 2002. I could make a stronger case that Guantanamo Bay is causing the beheadings, than i could that it is preventing it.

 

 

Guantanamo Bay may be providing a beneficial benefit(I dont believe that is the case however) but you failed to provide the benefit.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

Nice edit.

 

Link to Guantanomo being a torture camp?

 

I edit probably 90% of my posts within a couple minutes of me posting them.

 

 

I want you to provide a link to prove that no one has ever been tortured at Guantanamo

[Recliner Pilot 61]

How does Guantanamo Bay help prevent our military and civilian captives from being beheaded.

 

I never claimed it did. You equated GB to the cretins who behead innocent civilians for some reason. Care to elaborate?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I want you to provide a link to prove that no one has ever been tortured at Guantanamo

 

As soon as you provide a link to prove you have never raped a pig. What a focking moronic post.

[GobbleDog 1,010]

The court's four conservative justices dissented. Antonin Scalia said that America was at war with radical Islamists and that the decision “will make the war harder on us. It will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed."

 

I'm surprised to hear Scalia say that. He's usually not one to 'legislate from the bench'. Either it's constitutional or it isn't. Whether it makes the war harder is inconsequential.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

I never claimed it did. You equated GB to the cretins who behead innocent civilians for some reason. Care to elaborate?

 

 

 

What????

 

I was responding to your post about Islamics beheading people

 

 

Its like talking to a 6 year old.

 

 

Here was your post in case you forgot

 

Our enemy is the Islamic radicals around the globe. In case you havn't noticed they love to behead their captives and post it on the internet. Get back to us when you figure out how to stop that shiat.

[NorthernVike 2,094]

The court's four conservative justices dissented. Antonin Scalia said that America was at war with radical Islamists and that the decision “will make the war harder on us. It will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed."

 

I'm surprised to hear Scalia say that. He's usually not one to 'legislate from the bench'. Either it's constitutional or it isn't. Whether it makes the war harder is inconsequential.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

What????

 

I was responding to your post about Islamics beheading people

Its like talking to a 6 year old.

Here was your post in case you forgot

 

My question still stands, despite your idiocy.

 

Where did I claim GB prevented the Islamic radicals from beheading innocent civilians? I'll help you out, I didn't. So go ahead and post a few more .......and then show me where I did.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

My question still stands, despite your idiocy.

 

Where did I claim GB prevented the Islamic radicals from beheading innocent civilians? I'll help you out, I didn't. So go ahead and post a few more .......and then show me where I did.

 

Well, i was talking strictly about Guantanamo before you came in here, and changed the subject. I was also posting in a thread about Guantanamo bay. One could only assume that your post was also referring to Guantanamo bay. From now on, every time i respond to one of your posts, i will ask if it refers to what the thread is about, to avoid this type of confusion.

 

I agree with you, we need to stop Islamic radicals from beheading innocent civilians.

 

 

However getting back on topic you can read my previous posts(except the ones that are responding to you) to get my view about Guantanamo bay.

[pimptastic69 0]

It benefits them, the only way we can prevent our own PoW's from getting tortured is by showing our enemies that we dont torture their PoW's.

I think this is the exact opposite of your statement.

 

I have to disagree also.

 

These guys don't follow the rules when they chop peoples' heads off.

 

It'd be different if the enemy was wearing uniforms, but in this case they obviously are not. The Geneva rules need to be re-written.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Well, i was talking strictly about Guantanamo before you came in here, and changed the subject.

 

 

Yes you were. And you made the claim we were torturing people at GB. You have yet to back that up.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

Yes you were. And you made the claim we were torturing people at GB. You have yet to back that up.

 

Your right, Guantanamo bay is a great place.

 

I wish our PoW's could live in a place as nice as GB.

[IGotWorms 4,062]

The court's four conservative justices dissented. Antonin Scalia said that America was at war with radical Islamists and that the decision “will make the war harder on us. It will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed."

 

I'm surprised to hear Scalia say that. He's usually not one to 'legislate from the bench'. Either it's constitutional or it isn't. Whether it makes the war harder is inconsequential.

 

Not to mention that it is also a wildly infammatory comment based on pure speculation. I used to be able to respect Scalia. I never agreed with his opinions, but I had to admit that they were thoughtful and logically sound. Then he went hunting with D!ck Cheney and turned into another yet another right-wing hack.

 

Maybe he is afraid of getting shot if he defies the administration?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Your right, Guantanamo bay is a great place.

 

I wish our PoW's could live in a place as nice as GB.

 

 

LMFAO

 

Too bad our POW's get beheaded and have it broadcast on the internet.

 

My how you have crawfished from your claim we torture at GB. Kinda hard to back up claims with no proof isn't it?

 

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

LMFAO

 

Too bad our POW's get beheaded and have it broadcast on the internet.

 

My how you have crawfished from your claim we torture at GB. Kinda hard to back up claims with no proof isn't it?

 

 

It could be hard, or maybe it was incredibly easy, i copied and pasted all the links i came to in a word document(for later use?). i figured a sarcastic reply was better suited and funnier, when i came across so many links, not to mention, what i have heard in the past from news.

 

 

The thing about arguing with you i learned, is even if i prove you wrong, you make up whatever you want, and change the subject. And no one else in the forum really gives me credit for winning an argument with you, since you are the joke of the forum.

 

However, i still try to give you a chance to make reasonable arguments every single time we clash. This time was no different, i tried to let you make an argument, however a couple posts in you say you arent talking about the subject title.

 

Oh well.

 

 

So, i will just stroke your ego from now on. You won this argument RP. No one has ever been tortured at GB, ever.

 

Good job, what a stud you are beating me in an argument on the internet.

[Me_2006 14]

Your right, Guantanamo Bay has been so effective.

I change my stance starting immediately, we need at least 10-15 detention camps like Guantanamo Bay. That will stop terrorism in its tracts!

Also you are saying how you believe in god in one thread, and in another you are saying you support a torture camp, dont you see the hypocrisy?

RE-CLIN-ER PI-LOT

 

 

 

 

you know better than this.

[BLS 314]

Honestly this issue digs right at the core of me.

 

On one hand, I believe "fukk those bastards....beatem within an inch of death if you have to".

On the other, I believe there's a certain way that people whom I respect conduct themselves.

They have principles.

 

And these people, regardless of the odds that face them, and regardless of how unfair something might be, they never waver.

They always follow their principles.

 

I don't necessarily think that suspected terrorist should be provided taxpayer provided attorneys, but I also have a problem with torture overall. It's inhumane.

 

I personally believe many of you are just stupid with your thought processes.

I also realize I'm a nimrod from time to time as well, so WTF.

 

I think those here who are strongly convicted that we fight terrorism at it's doorstep need to read a history book.

Start with the Shah of Iran, 1953. google it.

 

There's ALWAYS a reason people around the globe hate us. THINK about it.

Our government will tell you it's because we're rich, free or a different religion.

The reality is we pretty much inflict our will on countries around the globe and THAT pisses people off.

 

It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

 

WE - Bully

Terrorists - Little Kid

 

If you go slapping the little kid around every day after school, there's gonna come a day where he's gonna hit you back.

He knows he can't beat you up, but he can trip you, or set a trap for you, and make you hurt.

Yes, he knows he's gonna get his a$$ kicked for doing it, but at a certain point...you don't give a fukk anymore. You're tired of being bullied.

 

Every single man on this site knows exactly what I'm talking about. There's a point where people just get fed up with something and simply won't take it anymore.

 

I realize it's a totally different angle from what most are used to thinking, but the reality is if you think about it, it makes sense.

I also realize this makes me an "America Hater" or whatever the bullshit cliche is you've been spoonfed this week by Fox, but I'm not afraid to take the heat and I'm not afraid to embrace the truth. I question whether you hillbilly redneck fucks can do the same.

[pimptastic69 0]

WE - Bully

Terrorists - Little Kid

 

If you go slapping the little kid around every day after school, there's gonna come a day where he's gonna hit you back.

He knows he can't beat you up, but he can trip you, or set a trap for you, and make you hurt.

Yes, he knows he's gonna get his a$$ kicked for doing it, but at a certain point...you don't give a fukk anymore. You're tired of being bullied.

 

Every single man on this site knows exactly what I'm talking about. There's a point where people just get fed up with something and simply won't take it anymore.

 

I kind of feel the opposite way. We've been bullied by terorists and it's time we fight back. The same old rules don't apply anymore.

[Frank M 181]

Honestly this issue digs right at the core of me.

 

On one hand, I believe "fukk those bastards....beatem within an inch of death if you have to".

On the other, I believe there's a certain way that people whom I respect conduct themselves.

They have principles.

 

And these people, regardless of the odds that face them, and regardless of how unfair something might be, they never waver.

They always follow their principles.

 

I don't necessarily think that suspected terrorist should be provided taxpayer provided attorneys, but I also have a problem with torture overall. It's inhumane.

 

I personally believe many of you are just stupid with your thought processes.

I also realize I'm a nimrod from time to time as well, so WTF.

 

I think those here who are strongly convicted that we fight terrorism at it's doorstep need to read a history book.

Start with the Shah of Iran, 1953. google it.

 

There's ALWAYS a reason people around the globe hate us. THINK about it.

Our government will tell you it's because we're rich, free or a different religion.

The reality is we pretty much inflict our will on countries around the globe and THAT pisses people off.

 

It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

 

WE - Bully

Terrorists - Little Kid

 

If you go slapping the little kid around every day after school, there's gonna come a day where he's gonna hit you back.

He knows he can't beat you up, but he can trip you, or set a trap for you, and make you hurt.

Yes, he knows he's gonna get his a$$ kicked for doing it, but at a certain point...you don't give a fukk anymore. You're tired of being bullied.

 

Every single man on this site knows exactly what I'm talking about. There's a point where people just get fed up with something and simply won't take it anymore.

 

I realize it's a totally different angle from what most are used to thinking, but the reality is if you think about it, it makes sense.

I also realize this makes me an "America Hater" or whatever the bullshit cliche is you've been spoonfed this week by Fox, but I'm not afraid to take the heat and I'm not afraid to embrace the truth. I question whether you hillbilly redneck fucks can do the same.

 

IMO America should be better than torturing people if we truly want to have a country that runs according to the lofty principles most Americans think we should live by.

[Voltaire 5,453]

I don't want to see any of those Guantanimo Bay inmates released. Those focks would be happy to blow up your mall or your church and have the training to do just that. So fock 'em,, I'd let them rot in prison forever, they're too dangerous to release, they'll be right back in the battlefield the day after they leave.

 

That said, they shouldn't be tortured. It makes us look bad to sink to their level, and humiliate them and deprive them of dignity. The FBI has lots of experience working with hostile witnesses. The reason things got all focked up is because military yahoos with no training, experience, or guidelines were given that assignment.

 

I just worry the whole lot will be given trials, their defense will be "I was just there selling fruit when these horrible American troops kidnapped me" nobody can prove otherwise, so they all get released. Because you know nobody was there documenting sh*t when they were apprehending these focks.

[phillybear 366]

Does this mean Dexter will be cancelled?

[Greedo 13]

I'm surprised to hear Scalia say that. He's usually not one to 'legislate from the bench'. Either it's constitutional or it isn't. Whether it makes the war harder is inconsequential.

 

Conservatives like to pretend that only their ideological enemies legislate from the bench, but the fact is that all 9 of them do it. And they should - the court does it every time they strkie down legislation, and provide opinions on how a law might be deemed constitutional.

 

IMO America should be better than torturing people if we truly want to have a country that runs according to the lofty principles most Americans think we should live by.

 

Agreed. It has nothing to do with what the terrorists do. Not relevant.

 

Let's charge the prisoners at Gitmo with something already.

[BLS 314]

I kind of feel the opposite way. We've been bullied by terorists and it's time we fight back. The same old rules don't apply anymore.

 

 

No disrespect to you or your thoughts....

 

But that IS my point. Exactly.

 

I personally think we need to start realizing our foreign policy is a mess, and it only perpetuates terrorism.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

It benefits them, the only way we can prevent our own PoW's from getting tortured is by showing our enemies that we dont torture their PoW's.

I think this is the exact opposite of your statement.

 

Our enemy right now doesn't care about any example we set. If you honestly think these people will look at America, the nation they despise, and follow any example we set then you are mistaken. These are people who broadcast beheadings, and have done some of the most horrific things imaginable to people they capture. Read up on it...I read a story a while back where these people drilled holes in the back of people's heads while they were still alive. I'm going to guess that will not change now that "America has set the example"

 

Your right, Guantanamo Bay has been so effective.

I change my stance starting immediately, we need at least 10-15 detention camps like Guantanamo Bay. That will stop terrorism in its tracts!

Also you are saying how you believe in god in one thread, and in another you are saying you support a torture camp, dont you see the hypocrisy?

 

It's stories like this that make me think perhaps Guantanamo is a good idea.