New FF mags surfacing and....

[gpann101 32]

Not for nothing...Michael Turner is ranked low due to the fact he hasn't carried a FULL load. Yet Barber is a top 10 back? Cowboy fans and RB lovers tell me why this is? Sorry if I see a team that drafts a RB in the first round that would have alot of faith in Barber to warrant a top 10 fantasy back.This goes for Addai as well...count the kid out 4-5 games due to injuries and he is still considered a top 10 back as well?Crazy FF stuff!

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

Not for nothing...Michael Turner is ranked low due to the fact he hasn't carried a FULL load. Yet Barber is a top 10 back? Cowboy fans and RB lovers tell me why this is? Sorry if I see a team that drafts a RB in the first round that would have alot of faith in Barber to warrant a top 10 fantasy back.This goes for Addai as well...count the kid out 4-5 games due to injuries and he is still considered a top 10 back as well?Crazy FF stuff!

 

I think lots of people have barber as a top 10 fantasy back this year.

 

 

Also why would you count addai out 4-5 games?

He has missed 1 game with injury in his 2 years in the league.

[gpann101 32]

He has missed 1 game with injury

 

Split time first year...remember Kenton Kieth filling in a couple the next year

[cblue 0]

I don't think Barber will be a top 10 back.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

Split time first year...remember Kenton Kieth filling in a couple the next year

 

You remember wrong then, he missed 1 game with injury last year.

 

 

I don't think Barber will be a top 10 back.

 

I think he has a shot at it, i would put him at having probably a 35-50% chance of cracking the top 10. I certainly dont think he is a lock, or that it is even probable. But i dont think that it would shock anyone if he manages to do it either.

[gpann101 32]

You remember wrong then, he missed 1 game with injury last year.

Injury or not...where did he go after week 10? Not a very reliable back.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

Injury or not...where did he go after week 10? Not a very reliable back.

He was the #4 scoring RB, and yeah his last 5 weeks werent the best, but neither were AP's if you are going to rip on 1 back for having a modest second half you have to be consistent.

 

Addai was part of the reason i made it to my championship game this last season. If addai is still available after pick 3 and i am on the clock i am going to take him in a heartbeat.

 

The one game that Addai missed last year Kenton Keith put up 27 points in a standard scoring league(120 rushing 30 receiving 2 td's) . So i dont have to worry about addai missing a game or 2, i know its the system.

[CurleyQ 0]

I think Barber will finish top 7 this year. No way the rookie takes away more carries than Julius Jones for the coming year, imo.

[_P_ 0]

The fact is, with so many injuries and uncertainty at the position, Barber is viewed as a top back. He didn't even crack 1000 yds last year but he was still one of the highest scorers in most formats.

[gpann101 32]

Addai was part of the reason i made it to my championship game this last season.

Congrats for making it to the championship.Addai certainly would not be the reason if you won it.

[Little Big Head 6]

Not for nothing...Michael Turner is ranked low due to the fact he hasn't carried a FULL load. Yet Barber is a top 10 back? Cowboy fans and RB lovers tell me why this is? Sorry if I see a team that drafts a RB in the first round that would have alot of faith in Barber to warrant a top 10 fantasy back.This goes for Addai as well...count the kid out 4-5 games due to injuries and he is still considered a top 10 back as well?Crazy FF stuff!

Its tough to find true feature RBs these days. The nice thing about those two is that they are likely to get the bulk of the carries and a lot of TDs. Barber finished where last season in your league? Now he should be getting more carries as he goes into week 1 of the 08 season as the listed starter, and #1 on the depth chart. I think Felix gets his touches but not enough to knock Barber beyond the top 10. Addai will have to compete with Rhodes again, but it wont be like his rookie season where it was a true split. Im seeing more like a 70/30 split in favor of addai, and he will still get a lot of TDs. Who would you put in the top 10 over Barber and addai???

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

Congrats for making it to the championship.Addai certainly would not be the reason if you won it.

 

I lost by 2 points, i left phil dawson as my kicker even though it was snowing, cold, and windy. He put up 3 points that week. I blame me losing the championship on the focking kicker.

[Mike Damone 14]

Um..... Touchdowns.

[Vikings4ever 550]

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.php?teams=12

 

Most people have Barber as a top 10 back.

[Fumbleweed 547]

Imagine that. A top ten RB from 2007 being projected in the top ten for 2008....who would've thunk it.

[gpann101 32]

Who would you put in the top 10 over Barber and addai???

 

1- LT

2-Animal Peterson

3-Westy

4-SJax

5-Portis

6-R.Brown

7-Larry J

8-Jamal Lewis

9-Gore

10-Lynch

 

Addai nor Barber doesn't fit in my top 10 for 2008

 

11-McGahee

12-Grant

13-Turner

14-MJD

15-Stewart ( love his potential,situation)

 

Um...they both don't seem to fit in my top 15 either

[Vikings4ever 550]

And as for Turner vs. Barber, let's look at their stats.

 

Barber last year: 204 carries, 975 rushing yards, 10 rushing TDs, 44 receptions, 282 receiving yards, 2 receiving TDs.

 

Turner's CAREER: 228 carries, 1257 rushing yards, 6 rushing TDs, 11 receptions, 71 receiving yards, 0 receiving TDs.

 

Turner has done nothing to make most people think he deserves to be a top draft pick.

 

Sure he's looked good in limited time, and now he's going to a new team and should be getting a starting job.

 

But there was a guy last year who looked good in limited time, stayed with a GOOD team, got a starting job, and was regarded as a first round pick. His name is Lawrence Maroney. He busted horribly.

[VaTerp 0]

1- LT

2-Animal Peterson

3-Westy

4-SJax

5-Portis

6-R.Brown

7-Larry J

8-Jamal Lewis

9-Gore

10-Lynch

 

Addai nor Barber doesn't fit in my top 10 for 2008

 

11-McGahee

12-Grant

13-Turner

14-MJD

15-Stewart ( love his potential,situation)

 

Um...they both don't seem to fit in my top 15 either

 

 

Barber had 28 TDs the last two years. More than EVERYBODY on your list except Tomlinson. His touches have gone up every year and he plays in one of the best offenses in the NFL.

 

If you havent noticed things are changing in FF. You dont have to be a traditional feature RB in order to have FF success. Thats why you can have a guy like MJD in your top 14.

 

And you have R Brown at 6 less than a year removed from an ACL. Anything can happen during the season and your entitiled to your opinions but I think any rankings without Addai and MBIII in the top 15 are AWFUL.

 

Really AWFUL. You should start up your own publication so I can distribute it to the guys in my leagues.

[VaTerp 0]

Imagine that. A top ten RB from 2007 being projected in the top ten for 2008....who would've thunk it.

 

This is really all that needed to be said. Barber finished top 10 last year so what makes you so inclined to believe that he will have a huge drop off this year?

 

To the OP, is this a fishing expedition or are you a special needs type of kid?

[Candygram4Mongo 8]

Predicting player performance is based in some part on previous results.

 

Barber is a strong back in a high scoring offense, who is capable of 100 yds most weeks. He catches the ball and is able to make tacklers miss with decent frequency. I don't believe Felix will get the reps that Julius got. The boys gave Barber the nice contract, and his role should increase from last year's. Unlike Belicheck, who seems reluctant to allow his top back to play to his potential, Wade Phillips runs a conventional NFL offense which allows a back to get into a groove and runs the ball when trying to score from the one yard line instead of throwing it.

There are not too many RBs with this kind of situation. Certainly not ten that I can count.

 

Turner, for all of the talk of his untapped potential in SD, has never carried the load over a full season. Any back who has ever had a tweaked ankle is forever labled "injury prone". Maybe we don't think of Turner this way because he hasn't had to take 16 games of abuse getting tackled, blocking lineman and tackling defenders after turnovers. He now plays a central part of what is expected to be a feeble offense with a rookie QB on a reuilding team. Yes, he may have a good season, but its hard to say it with any confidence because there are too many unknown quantities and variables and no one knows how the Falcon offense will work itself out. Most would say that there will be some growing pains. Its not hard to imaging the Falcons trailing often in the second half of games. Do you think they will throw to Roddy White for a fast score or hand off to Turner when time is getting short?

 

I'd draft Barber later in the first, maybe after RMoss is off the board, ahead of some "injury prone" RBs.

I don't see picking Turner until late in the third or later, in my 10 team league.

 

And if you don't see that Addai is positioned to be a stud RB, you are playing by different scoring rules than I do.

[_P_ 0]

1- LT

2-Animal Peterson

3-Westy

4-SJax

5-Portis

6-R.Brown

7-Larry J

8-Jamal Lewis

9-Gore

10-Lynch

 

Addai nor Barber doesn't fit in my top 10 for 2008

 

11-McGahee

12-Grant

13-Turner

14-MJD

15-Stewart ( love his potential,situation)

 

Um...they both don't seem to fit in my top 15 either

 

Stewart hasn't played a down in the NFL and you rank him over Barber and Addai? Either this is bs or you made a horrible trade in your league and are being mocked for it.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

This is really all that needed to be said. Barber finished top 10 last year so what makes you so inclined to believe that he will have a huge drop off this year?

 

To the OP, is this a fishing expedition or are you a special needs type of kid?

 

 

I think it was this sites research that showed that only 40-50%? cant remember of last years RB's that finished top 12, will finish top 12 this year. It is fine to go out on a limb.

[VaTerp 0]

I think it was this sites research that showed that only 40-50%? cant remember of last years RB's that finished top 12, will finish top 12 this year. It is fine to go out on a limb.

 

For sure, anything can happen and there will be a good number of RBs that finished top 10 last year that wont this year.

 

I have no problem w/ going out on a limb and ranking people wherever you want. But dont start a thread asking why a RB who finished top 10 last year, is in the prime of his career, and is in a great situation is ranked in somebody's top 10. Its a FOOLISH question.

 

And as for referencing this site, they have MBIII at #5. Just sayin.

 

Like I said I have no problem w/ going out on a limb w/ your rankings but to ASK why Barber is thought of as top 10 or to give piss poor reasoning for not having he or Addai in your top 15 strikes me as very foolish.

[9-Route 0]

as long as the dallas halfback has romo, TO, witten, and that massive offensive line, he will be deserving of perennial top10 ratings.

 

as far as addai: since 1994 when marshall faulk was killing it, manning has had ultimate halfback after another, from faulk to edge to addai, each stepping in without missing a beat. the indy halfback, in that ultra offense, will be deserving of a top10 rating until at least/probably 2015.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

as long as the dallas halfback has romo, TO, witten, and that massive offensive line, he will be deserving of perennial top10 ratings.

 

as far as addai: since 1994 when marshall faulk was killing it, manning has had ultimate halfback after another, from faulk to edge to addai, each stepping in without missing a beat. the indy halfback, in that ultra offense, will be deserving of a top10 rating until at least/probably 2015.

 

I agree, just make sure to back him up, who cares if he goes down, the guy behind him is a RB #1, and if he goes down, the guy behind him is a RB #1(the third stringer is kenton keith this year, last year his 1 game he put up 27 fantasy points ). If i needed to repeat myself.

 

Manning could possibly turn Benson into a #1 RB.

[Kilroy 0]

Not for nothing...Michael Turner is ranked low due to the fact he hasn't carried a FULL load. Yet Barber is a top 10 back? Cowboy fans and RB lovers tell me why this is? Sorry if I see a team that drafts a RB in the first round that would have alot of faith in Barber to warrant a top 10 fantasy back.This goes for Addai as well...count the kid out 4-5 games due to injuries and he is still considered a top 10 back as well?Crazy FF stuff!

 

Barber scores TDs, is a solid receiver, and will be the Cowboys primary RB this season in an offense that will likely be one of the top scoring units in the league. And eventhough they used a 1st round pick on Felix Jones, they also signed Barber to a long term extension this off-season.

 

As for Turner, while I think he is a solid RB, he doesn't play in a situation nearly as appealing as the one Barber is in.

 

As for Addai, in another situation he wouldn't be quite as productive. Like Barber though, he plays in one of the highest scoring offenses in the league and is a solid receiver. Injuries are the only thing that would keep him from being a Top 10 running back.

[gpann101 32]

Should I mention that Reggie Bush is on a "ultra offense" and was a top 10 RB before the start of last season? I'm glad you Barber owners have high hopes for him this year as did Bush owners.

[Kilroy 0]

Should I mention that Reggie Bush is on a "ultra offense" and was a top 10 RB before the start of last season? I'm glad you Barber owners have high hopes for him this year as did Bush owners.

 

Reggie Bush has nothing to do with Marion Barber.

[gpann101 32]

Reggie Bush has nothing to do with Marion Barber.

Gee I guess your right...2 backs that did great in a RBBC...one that stumbled in the spotlight as a top 10 back and one that hasn't shouldered the load yet getting top 10 status. De Ja Vu to me

[9-Route 0]

Gee I guess your right...2 backs that did great in a RBBC...one that stumbled in the spotlight as a top 10 back and one that hasn't shouldered the load yet getting top 10 status. De Ja Vu to me

 

big difference: the first 2 guys---addai and barber---have sound fundamentals and actually know how to run, and have produced proven stat/point production; bush has yet to understand pro running schematics and has paltry stats, aside from 88recs 1 yr.

[Kilroy 0]

Gee I guess your right...2 backs that did great in a RBBC...one that stumbled in the spotlight as a top 10 back and one that hasn't shouldered the load yet getting top 10 status. De Ja Vu to me

 

Again, Reggie Bush has zero to do with Marion Barber. Plain and simple.

 

Reggie Bush hasn't proven he can be an affective runner in the NFL... Marion Barber has.

Reggie Bush hasn't shown he can punch it in at the goal line, or be a force inside the red zone... Marion Barber has.

Reggie Bush hasn't handled more than 200 carries in a season yet... Marion Barber has.

 

And two other important factors...

 

Reggie Bush doesn't play behind an O-line as solid as the one Marion Barber plays behind.

 

The Dallas defense, while disappointing last season, is still better than the Saints. Which means the Cowboys can afford to stick with the rushing game more often than the Saints will be able to. Which means Barber can rack up more yardage in garbage time and/or in games they hold a lead in early on, whereas Bush doesn't see that oppurtunity nearly as often.

 

And also, for as high scoring as the Saints offense can be, the Cowboys still averaged about 4.5 ppg more than the Saints last season.

[soopacee 0]

along with what alot of people said.....he can score TD's and should continue too.....even if felix jones gets alot of PT, barber will be used at the goaline

 

 

BUT....i dont expect Felix to carry the ball half as much as julius did so hence, Barbers numbers should be better than last year

 

 

 

and like one dude said, its common sense.....he was a top 10 back last year.....and factor in the "what if's" of this year..........he should be a top 10 back........so, pre rankings would show him as a top 10 back

 

 

 

with all that said......i still have Addai ranked higher than him

 

 

(on a side note, fantasy mags are only good for sh!t house reading.....that is all)

[Belushi 9]

1- LT

2-Animal Peterson

3-Westy

4-SJax

5-Portis

6-R.Brown

7-Larry J

8-Jamal Lewis

9-Gore

10-Lynch

 

Addai nor Barber doesn't fit in my top 10 for 2008

 

11-McGahee

12-Grant

13-Turner

14-MJD

15-Stewart ( love his potential,situation)

 

Um...they both don't seem to fit in my top 15 either

 

I'm glad you put your own rankings out there, but R. Brown at 6? He's on one of the worst teams in the league and coming off an ACL injury. He was very good last year, but that was thanks to Cam Cameron, who makes stars out of RB's. Look at Brown's stats for years prior to Cameron coming to town and I hope you'll rethink your ranking.

[the_risen_demon 0]

I took a quick tour around some of the major fantasy football sites, and found that the original poster is not alone in leaving Barber out of his top 10. FFToolbox (#14) and CBSSportsline (#12) concur. No one I looked at had Addai further down that #6, however. Going out on a limb and predicting a player will perform significantly better or worse than the popular opinion is fine. I think most posters here would encourage it. It would be rather pointless to have everyone's rankings look pretty much the same.

 

You won't find many fantasy magazines going out on a limb, though. They are not in the business of projecting fantasy football; they are in the business of selling magazines, and you do that by appealing to the greatest number of potential buyers. If the average Joe picks up a copy at the store and sees Marion Barber at #18, he's most likely to think they are crazy and put it back. So they don't do that. Fantasy football magazines follow the herd, and as such they are only useful for predicting the actions of the other players in your league who follow the herd.

 

It's not that the other posters here don't appreciate your contrarian views on Barber and Addai. Rather, it's your attitude. Your are pretending that everyone else is crazy and that you are the only sane one. That tends to turn people off. It's fine to go against the grain, but recognize that you are doing so. It makes it all the sweeter if you are right.

 

That being said, I'd take Addai at #4 and Barber around #7 or so. Baaaa...

[unckeyherb 2]

Gee I guess your right...2 backs that did great in a RBBC...one that stumbled in the spotlight as a top 10 back and one that hasn't shouldered the load yet getting top 10 status. De Ja Vu to me

Addai and MBIII>>>>>>Bush. No basis for comparison.

[ed_jones 0]

1- LT

2-Animal Peterson

3-Westy

4-SJax

5-Portis

6-R.Brown

7-Larry J

8-Jamal Lewis

9-Gore

10-Lynch

 

Addai nor Barber doesn't fit in my top 10 for 2008

 

11-McGahee

12-Grant

13-Turner

14-MJD

15-Stewart ( love his potential,situation)

 

Um...they both don't seem to fit in my top 15 either

 

 

This is far and away the worst top 15 list I have ever seen. You have AP at #2 even though he had a myriad of injury issues last year as he has throughout his career (college etc.) and yet you knock Addai for reasons of injury issues . As for Addai being productive at the end of the season, yes he fell off abit but he still had 4 td's the last 4 weeks of the season and had solid rec. numbers to help him with his lower rushing totals.

 

I wont even get into the MBIII thing because you will just say it's homerism but to have either of these guys ranked below the likes of J-Lew, R.Brown (OWW, my knee), R.Grant (try running without a HOF QB back there), M.Turner (bad offense), MJD (job share, weaker offense), and Stewart (I too have the man love for him but seriously)

 

Oh and BTW........... J.Addai outscored "Animal" Peterson the last 4 weeks of the season.

[DankNuggs 305]

Sounds like Barber/Addai are on the 'undraftable' list for this dude. His list is laughable.

[JoeBoxers43 0]

And as for Turner vs. Barber, let's look at their stats.

 

Barber last year: 204 carries, 975 rushing yards, 10 rushing TDs, 44 receptions, 282 receiving yards, 2 receiving TDs.

 

Turner's CAREER: 228 carries, 1257 rushing yards, 6 rushing TDs, 11 receptions, 71 receiving yards, 0 receiving TDs.

 

Turner has done nothing to make most people think he deserves to be a top draft pick.

 

Sure he's looked good in limited time, and now he's going to a new team and should be getting a starting job.

 

But there was a guy last year who looked good in limited time, stayed with a GOOD team, got a starting job, and was regarded as a first round pick. His name is Lawrence Maroney. He busted horribly.

 

i smell another kevan barlow in regards to michael turner, i will go nowhere near him, and lets not forget who his qb, wrs, te, and o-line are...the coaching staff doesnt even know who the starters are yet besides roddy white, a few o-line and a te bc crumpler is gone...situation is just a mess

[holamolla 0]

lots of people underestimating what felix jones brings and the man love jerry jones has for him. Add to the fact dallas has pretty much shown they don't want barber to get more than 15 carries a game. Won't be my first round pick anyways....

[jgcrawfish 232]

I was going to stay quiet on this, but this topic has to be a fishing expedition. Barber III has been a top 10 back both of the last 2 yrs in standard scoring formats and Addai was top 5 last year and 11th the year before (while splitting time). Effectively both of these guys qualify as #1RB draftees in ANY 12 man league. Addai may have a slightly decreased role this year, but he'll still be a top 10 back and is very consistent. Barber will start the year as the unquestioned starter. Turner has carried the ball 228 times in his entire career, while Barber III was over 200 last year alone and Addai has averaged over 240 for his 2 years in the league. Neither Barber nor Addai have shown a frequency toward getting injured, although it's clear that both benefit from having a complimentary back to lighten their load. Dallas drafted Felix Jones for that and the Colts resigned Dom Rhodes and have Kenton Keith as well (who performed well in limited duty). Addai is in my top 5 and Barber is around the 7-10 ranking @ RB. I'd be happy with either and really happy with both. At this point I would not gamble on Turner as more than a #3RB for me. IMO he looked great to me BECAUSE of the line/system in San Diego and has a lot to prove.