Supreme Court Strikes Down DC Gun Ban

[GettnHuge 2]

40 peeps will die today because of guns.

[surferskin 30]

Well that is what I focking meant. You forget that I have no clue what I am talking about most of the time.

No, I remembered.

[surferskin 30]

40 peeps will die today because of guns.

The yellow or the pink kind?

[Frank M 181]

Gun Salesman: We call this piece the Fecalator. One look at it and the target shits him or herself. Try it on.

Loki: Well, it's a lot more compact than the flaming sword, but it's not nearly as impressive. Just doesn't have that Wrath-of-the-Almighty edge to it. I mean, come on, how am I supposed to strike fear into the hearts of the wicked with this thing? Look at this...

Bartleby: Well, then, you know, don't use a gun. Just lay the place to waste, like.

Loki: Easy for you to say. You get off light in razing. You got to stand there and read at Sodom and Gomorrah, I had to do all the work.

Bartleby: What work did you do? You lit a few fires.

Loki: I rained down sulphur, man, there's a subtle difference.

Bartleby: Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

Loki: Hey, you know, fuck you, man. Any moron with a pack of matches can set a fire. Raining down sulphur is like an endurance trial man. Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.

[KSB2424 3,172]

Just for poops and giggles can somebody :staresatmephisto: please answer these questions? :pointsatsurferskin:

 

1. Is it your contention that the public should be able to posses any and every weapon that the military and/or police carry?

2. If No, where exactly would you draw the line?

 

TIA

[Mephisto 15]

Just for poops and giggles can somebody :staresatmephisto: please answer these questions? :pointsatsurferskin:

 

1. Is it your contention that the public should be able to posses any and every weapon that the military and/or police carry?

2. If No, where exactly would you draw the line?

 

TIA

 

Start a new thread if you want to discuss your stupid issues.

 

As for me, I would feel quite safe if there was a 50-caliber tripod mounted machine gun hanging out of every upstairs window on my block.

 

Including mine!

[kilroy69 1,265]

Do you have any clue at what caliber size most flint-lock, muskets, and kentucky long-rifles were?

Oh I am fully aware of the fact that most of the flint locks were high caliber rifles. I was referring to the big .50 of today.

[NorthernVike 2,094]

It's a good day to be an American

 

 

The Supreme Court got one rite.

 

I still can't for the life of me understand how the vote could be so close

This should have been an unanimous decision

[gocolts 300]

It's a good day to be an American

The Supreme Court got one rite.

 

I still can't for the life of me understand how the vote could be so close

This should have been an unanimous decision

You are correct, it should have been unanimous. But Hell, I'll take what we can get out of this focked up court. I am shocked that they got this right considering all the other insane decisions as of late.

[shovelheadt 71]

I can defend myself just fine with a shotgun. I'd also be curious to see how many violent crimes and robberies have been committed with a shotgun vs. a handgun.

[King of Gondor 0]

Mmmm! ######, Jimmie! This is some serious gourmet sh!t! Usually, me and Vince would be happy with some freeze-dried Taster's Choice right, but he springs this serious GOURMET sh!t on us!

[BLS 314]

Also keep in mind that they knew of the controls in place from their native lands with regard to gun ownership and knew that an armed populace posessed the ability to rise up against a government that lost its way....

 

The right to bear arms was instituted to assure that tyranny could always be challenged by the people, thus tyranny itself would not manifest under such a potential threat.

 

I could not have said it any better.

 

It was never about hunting or even home protection.

It's about preventing tyrannical government, and YES, automatic weapons are necessary.

[Mephisto 15]

Oh I am fully aware of the fact that most of the flint locks were high caliber rifles. I was referring to the big .50 of today.

 

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[OakHeadFootball 1]

AMERICA!!! FOCK YEA!!! :banana:

 

Honestly I am surprised the vote was 5-4. I feel the issue was rather clear cut. I guess one thing we can pat Bush on the back for is appointing Alito and Roberts who put the vote over the top.

 

In any event this is landmark news for anyone who holds the second amendment near and dear to them.

[kilroy69 1,265]

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I do not agree with it. I was just trying to explain what I thought he was trying to say. I would love to hunt with a big .50.

 

Hell I do hunt with a .50 during the muzzleloading season. Its just not a rifle like this

 

Normal muzzleloaders or old style flintlocks have a range of what? 150-300 yards? That bad oscar has a range of 1,640 yards. I can't imagine being able to reach out and touch something from almost a mile away.

[GettnHuge 2]

Just for poops and giggles can somebody :staresatmephisto: please answer these questions? :pointsatsurferskin:

 

1. Is it your contention that the public should be able to posses any and every weapon that the military and/or police carry?

2. If No, where exactly would you draw the line?

 

TIA

 

1. all guns should be banned

2. see number 1

[Mephisto 15]

1. all guns should be banned

2. see number 1

 

When you figure out how to get them away from all the criminals... you let us know, chief.

[Mephisto 15]

I do not agree with it. I was just trying to explain what I thought he was trying to say. I would love to hunt with a big .50.

 

Hell I do hunt with a .50 during the muzzleloading season. Its just not a rifle like this

 

 

Because it's "scary" looking? What harm would come from a law-abiding citizen owning one of those?

[OakHeadFootball 1]

1. all guns should be banned

2. see number 1

 

 

So I have to hurl rocks to feed my family? What about law enforcement? What should they use? Bow and Arrow? How about the military? Should we fight a war with sticks because you do not like firearms?

[surferskin 30]

1. all guns should be banned

2. see number 1

I'm pretty sure you've fished this lake dry.

 

ETA: Mebbe not.

[kilroy69 1,265]

Because it's "scary" looking? What harm would come from a law-abiding citizen owning one of those?

Ok. We are having a problem here so I will say it slow.

 

I don't care if people own guns like that. In fact I want one.

 

And actually its not "scary" looking. Its badass looking.

[kilroy69 1,265]

1. all guns should be banned

2. see number 1

So we should use bows and arrows to hunt with and defend our homes with?

 

Cue the dukes of hazard music.

 

 

Just some good ol boys, never meaning no harm..............

 

 

 

Can we at least attach TNT to our arrows?

[IGotWorms 4,062]

I just want to point out that this was an "activist" ruling by a right-wing Court. How many hundreds of legislatively enacted gun laws has today's ruling called into question? The Court has essentially neutered the ability of state and federal legislatures to regulate gun ownership, and all that over a vaguely worded and eminently debatable Amendment.

[surferskin 30]

I just want to point out that this was an "activist" ruling by a right-wing Court. How many hundreds of legislatively enacted gun laws has today's ruling called into question? The Court has essentially neutered the ability of state and federal legislatures to regulate gun ownership, and all that over a vaguely worded and eminently debatable Amendment.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

[kilroy69 1,265]

I just want to point out that this was an "activist" ruling by a right-wing Court. How many hundreds of legislatively enacted gun laws has today's ruling called into question? The Court has essentially neutered the ability of state and federal legislatures to regulate gun ownership, and all that over a vaguely worded and eminently debatable Amendment.

Notsomuch. It just makes it so owning a gun does not come with unreasonable restrictions.

[IGotWorms 4,062]

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

What a well thought-out retort.

[IGotWorms 4,062]

Notsomuch. It just makes it so owning a gun does not come with unreasonable restrictions.

 

The National Rifle Association and other supporters of rights to have firearms are sure to use the decision as a launch pad for lawsuits. The N.R.A. said it would file suits in San Francisco, Chicago and several Chicago suburbs challenging handgun restrictions there. “I consider this the opening salvo in a step-by-step process of providing relief for law-abiding Americans everywhere that have been deprived of this freedom,” Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the N.R.A., told The Associated Press.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/washingt...amp;_r=1&hp

 

In other words, the Supreme Court just handed a MAJOR weapon to the NRA in its quest to invalidate all gun-control laws.

[surferskin 30]

What a well thought-out retort.

Your post couldn't have been more wrong. There was no point to discuss it further. Maybe you should have explained why it was a "right-wing/activist" decision.

[kilroy69 1,265]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/washingt...amp;_r=1&hp

 

In other words, the Supreme Court just handed a MAJOR weapon to the NRA in its quest to invalidate all gun-control laws.

Well if they have a legit challange to the laws that were like the one in D.C. then its good. Lets face it man. Criminals don't buy guns from a gunshop. The SC still said that you can't own a gun if you are a retard or a felon and the waiting period is still in effect. Whats so bad about that?

[BLS 314]

I just want to point out that this was an "activist" ruling by a right-wing Court. How many hundreds of legislatively enacted gun laws has today's ruling called into question? The Court has essentially neutered the ability of state and federal legislatures to regulate gun ownership, and all that over a vaguely worded and eminently debatable Amendment.

 

 

what's debatable?

 

I think it's pretty obvious what they were getting at.

 

rule 1: You can say anything you want without fear of reprival. The press has freedom to say what they want.

 

Rule 2: if you dont get rule #1, you have the right to own a gun to take it back.

 

That's why I wear a sweatshirt that has an m4 on it and it says "Give me liberty, or i'll get up and take it myself."

[OakHeadFootball 1]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/washingt...amp;_r=1&hp

 

In other words, the Supreme Court just handed a MAJOR weapon to the NRA in its quest to invalidate all gun-control laws.

 

 

No.

 

FYI the NRA does not seek to invalidate all gun control laws. Only the ones that defy common sense, logic or the written word of the Constitution of The United States of America. Have you ever heard the NRA being in favor of arming the mentally retarded or the criminally insane?

[BLS 314]

No.

 

FYI the NRA does not seek to invalidate all gun control laws. Only the ones that defy common sense, logic or the written word of the Constitution of The United States of America. Have you ever heard the NRA being in favor of arming the mentally retarded or the criminally insane?

 

Don't go throwing logic and reason into the discussion. that's not fair to him.

[IGotWorms 4,062]

Your post couldn't have been more wrong. There was no point to discuss it further. Maybe you should have explained why it was a "right-wing/activist" decision.

 

I did explain why it was activisit. Let me repeat it, for the slow people here: this opinion calls into question every piece of gun-control legislation passed by a legislature in any state or at the federal level. EVERY GUN CONTROL STATUTE EVER PASSED IS NOW GOING TO BE UNDER ATTACK. If that isn't activist, I don't know what the hell is.

[BLS 314]

I did explain why it was activisit. Let me repeat it, for the slow people here: this opinion calls into question every piece of gun-control legislation passed by a legislature in any state or at the federal level. EVERY GUN CONTROL STATUTE EVER PASSED IS NOW GOING TO BE UNDER ATTACK. If that isn't activist, I don't know what the hell is.

 

 

Good...it should be.

 

The Constitution of the United States guarantees us the right to keep and bear arms. When you makes laws that take that right away, you are violating the Constitution.

 

Once you do that, no liberty is safe.

 

People DIED for us to be free. Why would you want to take away those freedoms??

[surferskin 30]

Good...it should be.

 

The Constitution of the United States guarantees us the right to keep and bear arms. When you makes laws that take that right away, you are violating the Constitution.

[OakHeadFootball 1]

I did explain why it was activisit. Let me repeat it, for the slow people here: this opinion calls into question every piece of gun-control legislation passed by a legislature in any state or at the federal level. EVERY GUN CONTROL STATUTE EVER PASSED IS NOW GOING TO BE UNDER ATTACK. If that isn't activist, I don't know what the hell is.

 

Dude, every gun owner has been under attack from people like you (activists) for YEARS. Gun owners got freaking tired of it and fought back. Now you are trying to spin it to claim that those who interpret the Second Amendment the way it was quite obviously meant to be interpreted by the Framers as the activists?

[OakHeadFootball 1]

I just want to point out that this was an "activist" ruling by a right-wing Court. How many hundreds of legislatively enacted gun laws has today's ruling called into question? The Court has essentially neutered the ability of state and federal legislatures to regulate gun ownership, and all that over a vaguely worded and eminently debatable Amendment.

 

 

http://www.nraila.org/heller/

 

Amicus briefs filed in support of Heller

 

 

* National Rifle Association

* Academics

* Academics for the Second Amendment

* Alaska Outdoor Council

* American Center for Law and Justice

* American Civil Rights Union

* American Legislative Exchange Council

* Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

* Buckeye Firearms Foundation, et al.

* Cato Institute and Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm

* Center for Individual Freedom

* Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

* Congress of Racial Equality

* Criminologists

* Disabled Veterans for Self-Defense

* Eagle Forum Education and Legal Defense Fund

* Former Justice Department officials

* Foundation for Free Expression

* Foundation for Moral Law

* GeorgiaCarry.org

* Goldwater Institute

* Grass Roots of South Carolina

* Gun Owners of America

* Heartland Institute

* Institute for Justice

* International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association

* International Scholars

* Jeanette Moll

* Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

* Joseph B. Scarnati, III, President Pro Tempore of the Pennsylvania Senate

* Libertarian National Committee

* Liberty Legal Institute

* Major General John D. Altenburg, et al.

* Maricopa County (Ariz.) Attorney's office (13 signatories)

* Members of Congress and Vice-President Cheney (306 signatories)

* Mountain States Legal Foundation

* National Shooting Sports Foundation

* Paragon Foundation

* Pink Pistols

* Retired military officers

* Rutherford Institute

* Second Amendment Foundation

* Southeastern Legal Foundation

* State Firearms Associations

* Texas and other states (31 signatories)

* Virginia1774.org

* Women state legislators and academics

 

 

 

Amicus briefs in support of Washington D.C.

 

* American Academy of Pediatrics

* American Bar Association

* American Public Health Association, et al.

* Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, et al.

* City of Chicago

* Coalition of civil rights groups

* D.C. Appleseed Center for Law and Justice, et al.

* District Attorneys (3 signatories)

* Former Department of Justice Officials

* Historians

* Major U.S. cities and the U.S. Conference of Mayors

* Members of Congress (18 signatories)

* NAACP Legal Defense & Educational Fund

* National Network to End Domestic Violence, et al.

* New York and other states (6 signatories)

* Professors Erwin Chemerinsky and Adam Winkler

* Professors of criminal justice

* Professors of linguistics

* Violence Policy Center and various police chiefs

 

 

 

Oh and

[Savage Beast 1]

I haven't seen many a gun get up on it's own and walk over and start shooting. There's always a hoodlum at the trigger. (see my signature).

 

Here's a good question, semi-related....How come when there was flooding in Iowa, they weren't out ransacking and looting like they were in New Orleans? Hmmmmmmm.

 

 

There is only one man qualified to answer this question. That man is Don Imus.

[KSB2424 3,172]

Top 30 Reasons to oppose Gun Control

 

1. In over two hundred years of American history, the courts have never invalidated a gun control law based on the second amendment, but the NRA knows more about the law and the Constitution than the courts.

 

2. Patrick Henry opposed adding the second amendment to the Constitution. That's why quotations from Henry are used by pro-gun activists to support their interpretation of the second amendment.

 

3. The Founding Fathers intended to create a libertarian utopia. That's very evident from reading the following quotations:

 

James Madison wrote, "In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men the great difficulty lies in this: You must first enable the government to control the governed, and in the next place, oblige it to control itself." (Federalist 51).

John Jay explained, "Nothing is more certain than the indispensable necessity of government, and it is equally undeniable, that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their natural rights in order to vest it with requisite powers." (Federalist 2)

 

4. Guns don't kill people, they just make the bullets go faster so that they can kill people.

 

5. It's a good idea to own a gun at home because a gun is more likely to be used to kill a friend or family member rather than a criminal.

 

6. There have been gun control laws for over 200 years in America, but because of modern day circumstances gun-control is no longer needed.

 

7. The NRA knows more about American history than historians do.

 

8. Although firearms are inanimate objects and therefore can't kill people, they do somehow have the magical power to keep a person safe from criminals.

 

9. Although firearms are inanimate objects and therefore can't kill people, they do somehow have the magical power to protect a person against political tyrrany.

 

10. Guns are a protection against political tyrrany. For example, private ownership of guns was very common in Iraq while Sadam Hussein was in power. Guns are the reason the Iraqi people have enjoyed so much more freedom than people in England where guns have been banned.

 

11. It's a good idea to make it easy for criminals to obtain guns.

 

12. According to the British Crime Survey, crime in England has gone down. However, the NRA is the best source of information about crime.

 

13. Using Gary Kleck's methodology it could be shown that millions of Americans have seen spacecraft from another planet or have been visited by aliens. Despite this, Kleck's studies reveal the truth about defensive gun use.

 

14. John Lott is a reliable source of information although he kept changing his story about where he got his information for a study in his book More Guns Less Crime.

 

15. Gun advocate Gary Kleck commented in his book Targeting Guns: Firearms and their Control, "More likely, the declines in crime coinciding with relaxation of carry laws were largely attributable to other factors not controlled in the Lott and Mustard analysis." Kleck and Lott contradict each other so they both must be right.

 

16. During the 1980's the NRA tried to convince President Reagan to abolish the ATF, the law enforcment agency in charge of enforcing federal gun control laws. This is because the best way to enforce current gun laws is to abolish law enforcement.

 

17. It's a good idea to always have a loaded gun around when you lose your temper.

 

18. Children are safer if they have easy access to guns.

 

19. The International Crime Victim Survey found a positive correlation between gun ownership and increases in homicide and suicide, but the right to life doesn't matter.

 

20. Pro-gun propaganda is very good logic. Let's apply pro-gun propaganda to cars to demonstrate this- Cars don't kill people, people kill people. That's why stop signs and speed limits should be abolished.

 

21. Criminals don't obey laws and that's why all laws should be abolished.

 

22. Gun violence means more freedom. Just ask the family of any gun violence victim to verify this.

 

23. James Madison's first draft of the second amendment was "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person." It is clear from this that the term "bear arms" refers to rendering military service and not to carrying guns for personal purposes. However, modern day circumstances have changed the meaning of the second amendment.

 

24. In United States v. Miller the Supreme Court recognized that the "possession or use" of a weapon must be reasonably related to a well regulated miltia to enjoy second amendment protection. That's why there is an individual right to own any military weapon whether or not its possession or use is related to militia activity.

 

25. In United States v. Miller the Supreme Court stated that the purpose of the second amendment is to promote an effective militia. That's why the first part of the second amendment doesn't matter.

 

26. Assault weapons crime decreased after the passage of the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban. Gun crime went down the most in states that didn't previously have their own ban on assault weapons. That's why the ban was ineffective.

 

27. There is much more gun violence in the US than other industrialized nations, but it's better to face an armed criminal.

 

28. Chanting a lie over and over again will somehow make it come true.

 

29. The gun industry should have a special immunity to lawsuits that isn't enjoyed by other industries. The gun industry should not be held responsible when it's negligent.

 

30. Most murders in the US are commited with guns, but killing is not the purpose of a gun.

 

http://www.guninformation.org/

[OakHeadFootball 1]

Afraid to post the source of that complete hatchet job of a list?