Marvin Harrison 2008

[Texansfan 0]

Here is a player I think is being WAY undervalued in the preseason rankings. Sure he was hurt last year, sure he's not young anymore. But last time I checked Peyton Manning is still his QB, and Marvin still runs perfect routes. I find it ridiculous that in some early season rankings he isn't even in the top 40 WRs! Last year he was the #1 WR drafted in some drafts! He's already running and from what I read he will be ready week 1. If this guy plays and is relatively healthy he's a top 10-12 WR at worst. If you can snag him in the 5th-6th round it could very well be the steal of your draft. And any time after the 6th it's a no brainer IMO.

 

Thoughts?

[WhoDat 1]

Here is a player I think is being WAY undervalued in the preseason rankings. Sure he was hurt last year, sure he's not young anymore. But last time I checked Peyton Manning is still his QB, and Marvin still runs perfect routes. I find it ridiculous that in some early season rankings he isn't even in the top 40 WRs! Last year he was the #1 WR drafted in some drafts! He's already running and from what I read he will be ready week 1. If this guy plays and is relatively healthy he's a top 10-12 WR at worst. If you can snag him in the 5th-6th round it could very well be the steal of your draft. And any time after the 6th it's a no brainer IMO.

 

Thoughts?

 

Texansfan, I totally agree with your thoughts. The"Glove" is being totally disrespected and anybody that snags him that late has 'stolen' the draft... Peyton will go to Marvin even more as Reggie Wayne will now command the better of the 2 DB's on the opposing team, leaving Marvin to be covered by a DB2 or even nickel DB..... 'slam dunk!'

[kmbryant09 1]

I agree Texansfan - he is being undervalued a bit. However, he is still a risk-reward type player, and drafting him as a potential #2 WR is VERY dangerous. With his age and unreasonably slow recovery from this injury, he may end up not contributing at all this year and retiring. That being said, he is just as likely to return to even 90% of his old self pre-injury, and put up a 90/1200/9 season for the 18,076th time in his career. 5th round is still pretty early for someone with such a downside, but 6th or 7th round he could end up winning some leagues...

[e-factor 13]

My concern is that he didn't look that good last year before he got hurt (only 5 games I know). Not just his stats, but the couple games I watched, he just looked slower. I think he just reached the point where age caught up to him.

 

That said, he would be someone to really watch in the preseason. If he looks good, then he could be a huge steal in the 4th or 5th round.....................

[Amdiddydahl 0]

Would anyone trade Thomas Jones for him?

[Texansfan 0]

After the top say 15-20 WRs (top 2 tiers), you get into the 3rd tier with guys like Berrian, Porter, Chambers, S.Moss, Coles, Cotchery, Galloway, etc.

 

Guys who always seem to disappoint. I'd spend a 5th-6th round draft pick rolling the dice on Harrison before any of those guys any day!

[kmbryant09 1]

i dont think berrian porter or chambers are going anywhere close to the 5th or 6th round unless you're in a 25-team league. Guys like Roy Williams, Boldin, and Holmes are the WRs going around 6, which are safer picks then Harrison...also dont forget players like Bowe and Roddy White (around 6th round) offer a lot of upside without the downside that Harrison carries...just a thought

[huskerinct 1]

He is undervalued. BUT, he is a huge risk-reward pick. For one thing, no on has even mentioned his potential legal troubles. He could be a #2 WR, that ends up posting #1 WR numbers. He could also be a dud. I say, if you can afford to grab him, cheap/late, get him.

[Big_Pete 0]

He is undervalued. BUT, he is a huge risk-reward pick. For one thing, no on has even mentioned his potential legal troubles. He could be a #2 WR, that ends up posting #1 WR numbers. He could also be a dud. I say, if you can afford to grab him, cheap/late, get him.

Glad I read to the bottom of this thread before I posted. This is actually my biggest concern in regards to Harrison.

I think that even if he is slower than last year cause of his injury, he'll still post great numbers from the pure and simple fact that he'll now have the other teams #2CB on him instead of the #1. He'll also have less double teams, because that's Wayne's headache now, and that's a favorable matchup for Harrison week in and week out.

So assuming he plays, I think he's a steal in the 6th round. He's never been injury prone, so this injury is kinda alarming, but given his history of avoiding contact after the catch, I think he'll be just fine.

[Sweetness_34 0]

I cannot wait for my redraft league draft, because I am salivating over the thought of getting Torry Holt and Marvin Harrison in the 3rd and 4th rounds to pair with 2 solid RBs or one solid Rb and one stud Qb.

 

Both Holt and Harrison are undervalued severely this year, and someone will reap the benefits from this. I will let the noobs take Calvin Johnson and Roy Williams while I get the steals.

 

[Phurfur 70]

He is undervalued. BUT, he is a huge risk-reward pick. For one thing, no on has even mentioned his potential legal troubles. He could be a #2 WR, that ends up posting #1 WR numbers. He could also be a dud. I say, if you can afford to grab him, cheap/late, get him.

 

 

I found this on RotoWorld.

 

Colts coach Tony Dungy expects both WR Marvin Harrison (knee surgery) and DE Dwight Freeney (foot surgery) to be ready for the season opener.

 

The pair may not be ready for the start of training camp, but both should be eased in later in the summer. Dungy noted that Harrison was running with a smile because he was pain free. He also reiterated that Harrison is not a suspect in the April 29 Philadelphia shooting and that the team feels good about his status. Harrison is still a draft-day risk, but running without pain is one of the first concrete positives we've seen in his progress. Jul. 9 - 9:35 am et

[Dr. Octopus 0]

Here is a player I think is being WAY undervalued in the preseason rankings. Sure he was hurt last year, sure he's not young anymore. But last time I checked Peyton Manning is still his QB, and Marvin still runs perfect routes. I find it ridiculous that in some early season rankings he isn't even in the top 40 WRs! Last year he was the #1 WR drafted in some drafts! He's already running and from what I read he will be ready week 1. If this guy plays and is relatively healthy he's a top 10-12 WR at worst. If you can snag him in the 5th-6th round it could very well be the steal of your draft. And any time after the 6th it's a no brainer IMO.

 

Thoughts?

 

I think right now there is just too much uncertainty about his health to get a grasp at where to rank him. He's already expected to miss training camp and best case scenario is a Week 1 start. I'm not counting on him doing anything this year until we know he will be healthy.

[Slim Pickins 0]

Some of the same arguments I heard about Randy Moss last year. He lost his step, he's a miscreant, he doesn't have the heart, yada yada yada. Pass on Harrison if you must, but the reward is truly worth the risk...

[Saint Elistan 106]

Got him for $3 in an Auction draft ($200 limit).

[9-Route 0]

he is cooked.

 

he had not one, but two knees with issue last yr: one re-scoped, one injured. it was very clear in his return game versus diego in the playoffs, on his 1 reception, he turned his back and front legs/knees away from contact on the tackle, and was so involved with the manuever that he fumbled.

 

this guy's game is predicated on his fullspeed precision route running which mimics telepathy with manning on their passes-and-catches; he is not gonna be nearly as effective running gingerly/scared/not-at-fullspeed. he may play a few games, but inflammation with subsequent pain and swelling will put him on the sidelines.

 

my promotion and appreciation of moss/TO is well documented and perhaps unrivaled, but i've always given props to harrison for what he is---a speedy precise route runner with polish and superb hands. i've bellowed his consistency---8 STRAIGHT seasons of 10+TDs. yet, remember, he is NOT moss/TO: if he doesnt have his jets, his game is extremely diminished. he doesnt have the height and strength to shield defenders and their hits on the underneath routes, nor the jumping ability to be an effective red zone threat. [even a derrick mason, who lives on polish and hands, has quicks---when u dont have your knees, you dont have the speed or quicks.]

[huskerinct 1]

Got him for $3 in an Auction draft ($200 limit).

Are you kidding me!?! Well done, sir. I hope I can snag him for $3, in my $200 cap auction.

[49ers_suck 0]

i'm not sure about harrison right now. i'll take a wait and see approach through training camp.

 

side question: what do you guys think A.Gonzalez does this yr?? he could have a big role in that offense if marvin is ineffective.

[VaTerp 0]

i dont think berrian porter or chambers are going anywhere close to the 5th or 6th round unless you're in a 25-team league. Guys like Roy Williams, Boldin, and Holmes are the WRs going around 6, which are safer picks then Harrison...also dont forget players like Bowe and Roddy White (around 6th round) offer a lot of upside without the downside that Harrison carries...just a thought

 

I think you're underestimating how high Wrs are gonna go this year. I did my first mock last nite (12 teamer). Boldin went at 3.12 and Roy and Holmes went in the 4th. Those guys wont be there in the 6th in the vast majority 12 team leagues.

 

I ended up pulling the trigger on Marv (no pun intended) at 5.04 2 spots after Bowe went. I hadnt planned on taking him there but thats just kind of how the draft flowed. I was deciding between him and Calvin Johnson and my gut just said to go w/ Marv over the upside of Johnson even though I have CJ ranked higher right now.

 

Harrison will be one of the most watched players in the pre-season. He could be great value or he could be done. But w/ the way Wrs are coming off the board this year I think he's an early-mid round risk I wouldnt mind taking.

[mggoilers 0]

I think you have to be very careful with Marvin. My guess, he busts his butt gets on the field for training camp. he works harder than he's ever worked to be on the 53 man roster to start the season. he wants to get to week 1 and guarantee his contract for the season....12 million I believe.

 

I don't see him playing the entire season, but he is there and active through camp. Don't know if the knee holds up, but I would have no problem drafting him as a WR4/WR5. The guy plays hurt, but if he is on one leg...I just don't see him playing the entire season.

 

By the way, saying he has no PAIN...benefits him. He does not want to be released.

[kmbryant09 1]

I think you have to be very careful with Marvin. My guess, he busts his butt gets on the field for training camp. he works harder than he's ever worked to be on the 53 man roster to start the season. he wants to get to week 1 and guarantee his contract for the season....12 million I believe.

 

I don't see him playing the entire season, but he is there and active through camp. Don't know if the knee holds up, but I would have no problem drafting him as a WR4/WR5. The guy plays hurt, but if he is on one leg...I just don't see him playing the entire season.

 

By the way, saying he has no PAIN...benefits him. He does not want to be released.

 

LOL no problem taking him as ur WR 4 or WR 5?? Since he is going in the 5th round, your team must look like this: WR WR WR WR WR

 

As for him saying he has no pain - he will not be released by the Colts, too classy of an organization and why would he be putting himself through voluntary workouts/running sessions if in fact he was in pain and still injured. Guys - something was fishy last season i agree, but c'mon, the guys had months and months and the entire team reports he'll be healthy. Lets not forget we arent dealing with the Patriots, where Tom Brady is listed as Questionable every week lol

[gocolts 300]

Would anyone trade Thomas Jones for him?

If you can find someone crazy enough to take Jones off your hands, jump at it. The guy is the most over rated RB in football for the past several years. He sucked in Arizona, he sucked in Tampa, he sucked in Chicago, and he sucks in New York. He benefited from a greta D and running attack in Chicago that one decent year he had. I can't believe people still think this guy is even decent at this point. I doubt he will even make it to the end of the season before losing his job to one of the other Jets RBs and not due to injury, because he simply can not get it done, he never really has.

[mggoilers 0]

LOL no problem taking him as ur WR 4 or WR 5?? Since he is going in the 5th round, your team must look like this: WR WR WR WR WR

 

As for him saying he has no pain - he will not be released by the Colts, too classy of an organization and why would he be putting himself through voluntary workouts/running sessions if in fact he was in pain and still injured. Guys - something was fishy last season i agree, but c'mon, the guys had months and months and the entire team reports he'll be healthy. Lets not forget we arent dealing with the Patriots, where Tom Brady is listed as Questionable every week lol

 

After last year, how can you trust him as a starting WR on your team? If he is there when I start drafting backups, I'll take him...translation...I'm not drafting him otherwise unless I need a WR4 or WR5. Give me the kid instead.

 

He does not benefit from showing pain during the offseason. If he wants to pay and get paid, he has to prove he is healthy. I agree, the Colts want him to play but can you pay a guy 12 million because you have class...don't see it. He is putting himself through everything to give the Colts confidence that he is healthy and worth the 12 million they are due to pay him in 2008. He has to prove his health.

[kmbryant09 1]

If he is there when I start drafting backups, I'll take him...translation...I'm not drafting him otherwise unless I need a WR4 or WR5. Give me the kid instead.

 

translation...cross him off ur draft chart. if you followed the post we have been talking about his value at where he is being drafted. he aint gonna be on the board in round 10-12 when you start picking backups...thanks for the insight though

[Belushi 9]

If you can find someone crazy enough to take Jones off your hands, jump at it. The guy is the most over rated RB in football for the past several years. He sucked in Arizona, he sucked in Tampa, he sucked in Chicago, and he sucks in New York. He benefited from a greta D and running attack in Chicago that one decent year he had. I can't believe people still think this guy is even decent at this point. I doubt he will even make it to the end of the season before losing his job to one of the other Jets RBs and not due to injury, because he simply can not get it done, he never really has.

 

Yeah, that great Chicago running attack made Benson and Peterson look real good after Jones left.

 

Upgraded offensive line, no real competition for carries (Chatman and Smith? Please). I think he'll be a solid #2 RB this year that you can get as a RB3.

[Gepetto 1,416]

If you can find someone crazy enough to take Jones off your hands, jump at it. The guy is the most over rated RB in football for the past several years. He sucked in Arizona, he sucked in Tampa, he sucked in Chicago, and he sucks in New York. He benefited from a greta D and running attack in Chicago that one decent year he had. I can't believe people still think this guy is even decent at this point. I doubt he will even make it to the end of the season before losing his job to one of the other Jets RBs and not due to injury, because he simply can not get it done, he never really has.

Agreed. Good post.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

Harrison will be one of the most watched players in the pre-season.

 

Unfortunately no one will get to watch him in the preseason. Hopefully news about his health comes out late August, but if a real draft was being held anytime soon I'd be very hesistent to potentially "waste" a pick. I have a bad gut feeling about him.

[akaoni 0]

Unfortunately no one will get to watch him in the preseason. Hopefully news about his health comes out late August, but if a real draft was being held anytime soon I'd be very hesistent to potentially "waste" a pick. I have a bad gut feeling about him.

 

This is the real reason why he's so risky. Even if he is "pain free" that's a long stretch from being game ready. No play in the pre-season generally equates to a slow start out of the blocks which can often lead to a down year. Add age and miles on Marv's treads and there's plenty of doubt with him.

 

Could he win some leagues for teams who take a gamble on him? Sure, but he might just lose for teams if he doesn't pay off. It's all about risk reward. For my money he's on the downward side of the curve and I doubt we see a return to the numbers of a few years back...