Don't care

[m4rk0 0]

Am I the only person that is downright frightened to the bone that Obama is actually winning in some polls?

 

Yes

 

Am I the only one that knows...

 

Sounds like you really don't know much.

 

Peace out.

 

You really don't seem to embrace peace.

[m4rk0 0]

And you might want to check out snopes one day.

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

Does this Obama guy qualify as a Tight End? My bye week is coming up and I'm desperate....

[Captain Goomy Noomy Roo 50]

Obama - Biden 2008

 

 

 

[josh wiley 42]

difference between an obama presidency and a bush, uhem i mean mccain, presidency is that obama will think before speaking and/or acting. with the bush regime they loved to act and seem so decisive but the thinking came afterwards when they had to figure out ways to cover up their own effed up plans. there's a reason nato wanted nothing to do with their idiotic plans of attacking iraq. because now we're stuck over there with our president telling everyone that bringing the troops home would be a "surrender". sometimes i think people forget the original intentions for supposedly going over there. first we were going to get bin laden. that morphed into saddam is friends with al qaeda so we have to take him out. now it's that we have to help iraq establish a new government with our ideals. what the hell! how do people forget about the endless debacles of the current administation?

[Aver 0]

Oh really?? When/if Obama takes $100 Billion tax credits away from oil companies what do you think is going to happen next? Do you think the oil companies are just going to roll over and take it? I think it is more likely that they are going to pass that loss on to thier consumers. Who are their consumers? All of us, including businesses. I think inflation will go crazy if Obama is allowed to do this. Gas will go up, Electricity will go up, hell, even the price of groceries will go up. I don't think the tax cut I get as a middle class American will offset the inflation that will be caused by Obama's wreckless poorly thought out policies. To punish a small business for making over $250K per year is NOT the American way. $250K is really not that much money for a small business to make. His policies will hurt small businesses and that also will contribute to inflation.

 

Yes really.. Do you realize that these oil companies posted profits of $40 and $60 billions dollars last year? So if they are making that much money why is the price of gas so high? Don't be fooled and think that these companies need to raise the price of gas, they are extorting the people because of North America's dependency on gasoline. While McCain will continue with the increase the average persons dependency on gas, Obama will try to move us away from it (which is the best strategy). Oil is a finite resource we only have so much of it, and the environmental damage is causes is concerning to say the least. You should be worries about inflation now and not if Obama takes power. Where is all the money coming from to fund the Iraq war? What about the precious $700 billion dollar bail out? Is the Fed printing this money? If they are that will be the real cause of inflation not a decrease in the middle class taxes. Maybe the republicans should listen to Ron Paul with regards to the economy, he seems to be one of the few republicans who gets it.

 

To say that Obama is punishing small business is a joke, he gives you a $3,000 tax credit for each job created and covers half of your medical costs. What Obama does do is raise the tax on anyone making profits of $250,000 (that is profits) a 3% tax raise. Considering less than 5% of small business make profits of $250,000 its really not a point that needs to be raised. What is the American way? Every man for himself, let the others rot as long as I succeed? I thought America was built on the principle of everyone is created equal and should be treated as such.

[thetxstang 0]

Please! for the love of my eyes use a comma and maybe even a paragraph.

 

Beat me to it.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Yes really.. Do you realize that these oil companies posted profits of $40 and $60 billions dollars last year? So if they are making that much money why is the price of gas so high? Don't be fooled and think that these companies need to raise the price of gas, they are extorting the people because of North America's dependency on gasoline. While McCain will continue with the increase the average persons dependency on gas, Obama will try to move us away from it (which is the best strategy). Oil is a finite resource we only have so much of it, and the environmental damage is causes is concerning to say the least. You should be worries about inflation now and not if Obama takes power. Where is all the money coming from to fund the Iraq war? What about the precious $700 billion dollar bail out? Is the Fed printing this money? If they are that will be the real cause of inflation not a decrease in the middle class taxes. Maybe the republicans should listen to Ron Paul with regards to the economy, he seems to be one of the few republicans who gets it.

 

To say that Obama is punishing small business is a joke, he gives you a $3,000 tax credit for each job created and covers half of your medical costs. What Obama does do is raise the tax on anyone making profits of $250,000 (that is profits) a 3% tax raise. Considering less than 5% of small business make profits of $250,000 its really not a point that needs to be raised. What is the American way? Every man for himself, let the others rot as long as I succeed? I thought America was built on the principle of everyone is created equal and should be treated as such.

 

I find it peculiar that you assume the worst about McCain, yet blindly believe everything Obama tells you.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

difference between an obama presidency and a bush, uhem i mean mccain, presidency is that obama will think before speaking and/or acting. with the bush regime they loved to act and seem so decisive but the thinking came afterwards when they had to figure out ways to cover up their own effed up plans. there's a reason nato wanted nothing to do with their idiotic plans of attacking iraq. because now we're stuck over there with our president telling everyone that bringing the troops home would be a "surrender". sometimes i think people forget the original intentions for supposedly going over there. first we were going to get bin laden. that morphed into saddam is friends with al qaeda so we have to take him out. now it's that we have to help iraq establish a new government with our ideals. what the hell! how do people forget about the endless debacles of the current administation?

 

How simple of a mind do you need to believe the "Change" campaign Obama's running? I guess now I know why so many campaigns have the "Change" slogan, it actually works on some people. Honestly, a high school student with a semester of Marketing could have come up with that. Obama has successfully made the connection of McCain to Bush in your mind....kudos to his campaign manager I guess.

 

You can believe in Obama as a candidate for President based on the ideas he's coming to the White House with, but to vote for him because you assume a vote for McCain would be a vote for 4 more years of this same administration is nonsense.

[peenie 1,906]

damn, you white people are some scary ignorant azz motherfockers.

this election is like a rock being lifted.

i finally get to see the ugly truth of matters.

if ever, if eeeever i wondered why blacks have had such problems in the past, now i know for sure it's because of white racism.

y'all are crazy.

this man is as timid and gentle and thinking of others and wanting to the help the poor and working person, he's a christian, a family man and still you see the devil where it does not exist.

you are making connections where there are none.

please update your passport and move the fock out of the country.

i hope obama pisses white racists off so much that there is a mass exodus to australia or somewhere far away.

shut up already.

[FeelingMN 273]

Not to hijack this totally engrossing thread, but who here actually participates in government? Be it through volunteering, through work, attending city council, writing your state representative? Is there anything anyone here does except b!tch and recite distorted facts? It's good that folks are passionate and somewhat informed, but what good does that do without putting some action behind it? And I'm not preaching either, I include myself in this. I want to become more involved in the democratic process. It's the only real way to effectively change anything. Not empty rhetoric offered by millionaire puppets.

 

Reading through this thread, and the 1300 others that have been created in the past 6 months, it's clear we're a country divided. It reminds me of a tug of war match, where both sides strain to get the other closer to their side. Despite the respective group's best efforts, little progress is ever really made. A few inches here and there, but no real movement one way or the other.

 

Screw that. I'm giving up that tug of war. We all should. The real enemies to America are not the folks you can actually see and hear. The real opposition is in the form of Big Money which has come to dominate public policy in the past several decades. And that won't change regardless of who is elected President.

 

If you're really upset the way the country has turned out, or will turn out, then EXERCISE YOUR FOCKING FREEDOM TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Get involved. Pressure your representatives. Organize within your community. Do something other than condemn folks in the same boat who happen to foster different opinions than yourself.

[usurpers26 26]

Goddammit, didn't you get the memo? Common sense has no place round these parts...

 

Not to hijack this totally engrossing thread, but who here actually participates in government? Be it through volunteering, through work, attending city council, writing your state representative? Is there anything anyone here does except b!tch and recite distorted facts? It's good that folks are passionate and somewhat informed, but what good does that do without putting some action behind it? And I'm not preaching either, I include myself in this. I want to become more involved in the democratic process. It's the only real way to effectively change anything. Not empty rhetoric offered by millionaire puppets.

 

Reading through this thread, and the 1300 others that have been created in the past 6 months, it's clear we're a country divided. It reminds me of a tug of war match, where both sides strain to get the other closer to their side. Despite the respective group's best efforts, little progress is ever really made. A few inches here and there, but no real movement one way or the other.

 

Screw that. I'm giving up that tug of war. We all should. The real enemies to America are not the folks you can actually see and hear. The real opposition is in the form of Big Money which has come to dominate public policy in the past several decades. And that won't change regardless of who is elected President.

 

If you're really upset the way the country has turned out, or will turn out, then EXERCISE YOUR FOCKING FREEDOM TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Get involved. Pressure your representatives. Organize within your community. Do something other than condemn folks in the same boat who happen to foster different opinions than yourself.

[FranksTanks 0]

HOLY SH!T. This is . I can't believe I just read most of this frightening garbage....

 

When elected, the Dems should make it a priority to remove the Forward button.

[phillybear 366]

Yes really.. Do you realize that these oil companies posted profits of $40 and $60 billions dollars last year? So if they are making that much money why is the price of gas so high? Don't be fooled and think that these companies need to raise the price of gas, they are extorting the people because of North America's dependency on gasoline. While McCain will continue with the increase the average persons dependency on gas, Obama will try to move us away from it (which is the best strategy). Oil is a finite resource we only have so much of it, and the environmental damage is causes is concerning to say the least. You should be worries about inflation now and not if Obama takes power. Where is all the money coming from to fund the Iraq war? What about the precious $700 billion dollar bail out? Is the Fed printing this money? If they are that will be the real cause of inflation not a decrease in the middle class taxes. Maybe the republicans should listen to Ron Paul with regards to the economy, he seems to be one of the few republicans who gets it.

 

To say that Obama is punishing small business is a joke, he gives you a $3,000 tax credit for each job created and covers half of your medical costs. What Obama does do is raise the tax on anyone making profits of $250,000 (that is profits) a 3% tax raise. Considering less than 5% of small business make profits of $250,000 its really not a point that needs to be raised. What is the American way? Every man for himself, let the others rot as long as I succeed? I thought America was built on the principle of everyone is created equal and should be treated as such.

 

Why do you covet your neighbor's ass? Coveting is for jealous queers.

[phillybear 366]

this man is as timid and gentle and thinking of others and wanting to the help the poor and working person, he's a christian, a family man and still you see the devil where it does not exist.

 

Stop watching Disney movies. Obama is an ugly, hateful, greedy politician, just like all the rest.

 

It's scary that there are people in this country that think this way. Come on, peenie. Obama will screw you over for another dollar to jam into his overflowing pockets and not give it a second thought.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

damn, you white people are some scary ignorant azz motherfockers.

this election is like a rock being lifted.

i finally get to see the ugly truth of matters.

if ever, if eeeever i wondered why blacks have had such problems in the past, now i know for sure it's because of white racism.

y'all are crazy.

this man is as timid and gentle and thinking of others and wanting to the help the poor and working person, he's a christian, a family man and still you see the devil where it does not exist.

you are making connections where there are none.

please update your passport and move the fock out of the country.

i hope obama pisses white racists off so much that there is a mass exodus to australia or somewhere far away.

shut up already.

 

-Thanks for being part of the race problem, and not the solution. What you believe is abundantly clear. Someday I hope we can get past people with ideologies like yours. For you to be calling out others as ignorant is laughable based on what you've written here.

 

-YOU are making connections where there are none just the same as anyone else.

[Aver 0]

Stop watching Disney movies. Obama is an ugly, hateful, greedy politician, just like all the rest.

 

It's scary that there are people in this country that think this way. Come on, peenie. Obama will screw you over for another dollar to jam into his overflowing pockets and not give it a second thought.

 

Right because Obama is the one with 8 houses and a history of corruption, oh wait thats John McCain.. Was it an Obama or McCain advisor who was being payed by Freddie & Fannie up until last month? It was McCains incase you didnt know.. Where does your impression of Obama come from?

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/polit...amp;oref=slogin

[naomi 356]

damn, you white people are some scary ignorant azz motherfockers.

this election is like a rock being lifted.

i finally get to see the ugly truth of matters.

if ever, if eeeever i wondered why blacks have had such problems in the past, now i know for sure it's because of white racism.

y'all are crazy.

this man is as timid and gentle and thinking of others and wanting to the help the poor and working person, he's a christian, a family man and still you see the devil where it does not exist.

you are making connections where there are none.

please update your passport and move the fock out of the country.

i hope obama pisses white racists off so much that there is a mass exodus to australia or somewhere far away.

shut up already.

 

It doesn't have to do with his skin color (well it probably does for some people) but consider that Hilary and Kerry got passionate reactions. Since Obama probably will make it to the white house, there's intense venting in response. What you're reading here isn't racism. Seriously peenie, if you force that conclusion (absent the fact people get intense about politics, especially if the person ahead has a much different ideology) you're making it about race, when it may very well not be for a lot of the people you're assuming that with. And that's a serious allegation to put against people if there isn't a base. Again, sure there are people out there who don't want to vote for him because of his skin color, but to assume as fact that any passionate opposition to him HAS to be about that is a leap.

[peenie 1,906]

-Thanks for being part of the race problem, and not the solution. What you believe is abundantly clear. Someday I hope we can get past people with ideologies like yours. For you to be calling out others as ignorant is laughable based on what you've written here.

 

-YOU are making connections where there are none just the same as anyone else.

no you are focking blind!!! there are people calling obama a chimp, a nigg@r, hoping he dies and you call me out for calling them racist?

i've been living a mighty long time and the conclusions that people are coming to are insane.

people have been quite direct about not wanting or trusting obama because he's black or muslim.

that's racist period!

i'm not going to excuse it or talk around it have a decent debate about it.

fock you, you are scary just like the rest of them for actually asking me to rationalize it.

i'm not trying to make logic out of these insane accusations.

people are losing their got damn minds.

he's running for president not king!

[Guest ramrock11]

damn, you white people are some scary ignorant azz motherfockers.

this election is like a rock being lifted.

i finally get to see the ugly truth of matters.

if ever, if eeeever i wondered why blacks have had such problems in the past, now i know for sure it's because of white racism.

y'all are crazy.

this man is as timid and gentle and thinking of others and wanting to the help the poor and working person, he's a christian, a family man and still you see the devil where it does not exist.

you are making connections where there are none.

please update your passport and move the fock out of the country.

i hope obama pisses white racists off so much that there is a mass exodus to australia or somewhere far away.

shut up already.

 

Why don't you pack your bags and get the f%^k out. Your too stupid to understand the very first post in this thread.

[peenie 1,906]

you're making it about race, when it may very well not be for a lot of the people you're assuming that with. And that's a serious allegation to put against people if there isn't a base.

okay, how's this instead:

if obama were white i don't think all of these allegations would be placed on him because they're ludicrous.

[peenie 1,906]

Why don't you pack your bags and get the f%^k out. Your too stupid to understand the very first post in this thread.

i will NEVER leave this country. ever. kiss my azz and don't address me again.

[Guest ramrock11]

Screw you cry baby!

[Mungwater 596]

i will NEVER leave this country. ever. kiss my azz and don't address me again.

 

That a girl peenie, way to hold your ground!

 

 

 

 

even though both of those guys scare the crap out of me.

[FeelingMN 273]

Why don't you pack your bags and get the f%^k out. Your too stupid to understand the very first post in this thread.

 

Your obviously enlightened and there just plain dumb, huh?

 

Ain't ya' got some banjo playin' to fix up on?

 

[Guest ramrock11]

peenie just one of those people who will vote for Obama so he can get another stimulus check.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

no you are focking blind!!! there are people calling obama a chimp, a nigg@r, hoping he dies and you call me out for calling them racist?

i've been living a mighty long time and the conclusions that people are coming to are insane.

people have been quite direct about not wanting or trusting obama because he's black or muslim.

that's racist period!

i'm not going to excuse it or talk around it have a decent debate about it.

fock you, you are scary just like the rest of them for actually asking me to rationalize it.

i'm not trying to make logic out of these insane accusations.

people are losing their got damn minds.

he's running for president not king!

 

-It certainly does sound like you're old. You're beliefs and thinking are from the past. Outdated.

-You paint with a broadbrush based on what a few people are saying either on this silly FF site, or some other small segment of the population. You should step away from the computer for awhile and not assume the worst in everyone you meet.

-I will not ask you to rationalize anything because it doesn't appear that you're able to be rational.

[BMoney 0]

I sure hope most of you can't vote here in this thread.

 

 

no one can vote here..its not a poll

[naomi 356]

okay, how's this instead:

if obama were white i don't think all of these allegations would be placed on him because they're ludicrous.

Yeah I know, this is where I think you're wrong if you draw that as an absolute conclusion. The biggest reason why I want to talk about it is because I don't want you drawing the conclusion that any passionate opposition to him has to do about race, because if I were non-white, I imagine feeling like that would be a pretty focking depressing impression to have. There are people who see Obama as very different from them ideologically, and even more so than other liberal candidates of late. There are plenty of people who are truly responding to that. Politics gets people really heated, and this election is not an exception.

 

This might read as a person responding to the race card being pulled, but I've caught some of the stories about people hanging Obama effigies and other stuff like that, and so I can understand that if you combine that with people who don't care about his color but have passionate idealogical differences, it can seem to go hand in hand.

[phillybear 366]

Right because Obama is the one with 8 houses and a history of corruption, oh wait thats John McCain.. Was it an Obama or McCain advisor who was being payed by Freddie & Fannie up until last month? It was McCains incase you didnt know.. Where does your impression of Obama come from?

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/polit...amp;oref=slogin

 

No offense, but the NY Times has no credibility, along with any TV news channel or any other newspaper in the country. They have an agenda, just like Fox News, just like CNN. Just different philosophies. You should know better.

 

Sure, McCain is an elist, just like Obama. Both are filthy rich and corrupt, didn't have to work hard for success, and are getting much richer by being a politician. Neither has any clue about the working man. If you don't think a politician, especially these two assh0les, is all about money and/or power, then go ahead and be naive.

[FeelingMN 273]

-It certainly does sound like you're old. You're beliefs and thinking are from the past. Outdated.

-You paint with a broadbrush based on what a few people are saying either on this silly FF site, or some other small segment of the population. You should step away from the computer for awhile and not assume the worst in everyone you meet.

-I will not ask you to rationalize anything because it doesn't appear that you're able to be rational.

 

I'm not sure I equate bigotry with forward thinking. Please explain how intolerance for racial slurs is outdated?

 

And if you think there's just a few random comments from folks on this silly site, and it in no way indicates a latent view of race most Americans foster, you yourself should be questioned for your inability to rationalize.

 

The issue of race has been swept under the rug for years. And people like you point to the fact that we don't lynch or burn crosses or promote segregation as evidence of the disappearance of racism. It just ain't the case.

 

I applaud peenie for staying her ground in this instance.

 

And for fock's sake will the next person who takes on the crusade to castigate the ignorant here please refrain from butchering the English language. You ain't exactly promoting your higher faculties when you continue to do this.

[peenie 1,906]

my mother isn't voting for obama.

i can't even talk to her.

her best friend isn't voting for obama.

my uncle is voting for obama-he hates him.

my ups guy isn't voting for him.

they are all black.

i know that people have sincere disagreements with him.

i'm just so tired of the absolute crazy manner in which people find fault.

i mean, our own president sent us to war where people have actually died for no legitimate reason.

why are people ignoring how halliburton and companies like it have just eaten up our tax dollars?

why are people ignoring the deficit????

the gas prices?

the insane greed that has caused the collapse of our economy???

for someone to get on here and discuss what focking elementary school obama went to, claim he's a muslim and then condemn his christian church is insane!

isn't anyone paying attention??

to claim he has terrorist ties is ridiculous.

i'm just tired of it.

i'm scared.

i'm scared at how angry white people are.

i'm scared at how irrational their thoughts are.

i'm scared when i read how comfortable people are with seeing racism on tv.

no one is condemning it.

there isn't any threads here discussing what is happening here. why does muslim/arab = terrorist?

our country was founded on freedom of religion!

if obama supports palestinians, well heck, he should! isrealis have pushed them to areas of the country where they can't live! they have nothing to do but rebel.

i'm not excusing anyone's ignorance.

read a book and as someone else pointed out, have some empathy for goodness sakes.

it's like while the atrocities are going on no one notices. people only grieve after.

why does it take a movie about the holocaust to make people aware and sensitive after the fact.

the jews of isreal are oppressing the palestinians.

people are dying in the sudan.

things are fcked up!

it is wrong that we're in iraq!

we must fix that!

damn it!

[Guest ramrock11]

No offense, but the NY Times has no credibility, along with any TV news channel or any other newspaper in the country. They have an agenda, just like Fox News, just like CNN. Just different philosophies. You should know better.

 

Sure, McCain is an elist, just like Obama. Both are filthy rich and corrupt, didn't have to work hard for success, and are getting much richer by being a politician. Neither has any clue about the working man. If you don't think a politician, especially these two assh0les, is all about money and/or power, then go ahead and be naive.

 

 

Great post

5 stars for you.

[FeelingMN 273]

Yeah I know, this is where I think you're wrong if you draw that as an absolute conclusion. The biggest reason why I want to talk about it is because I don't want you drawing the conclusion that any passionate opposition to him has to do about race, because if I were non-white, I imagine feeling like that would be a pretty focking depressing impression to have. There are people who see Obama as very different from them ideologically, and even more so than other liberal candidates of late. There are plenty of people who are truly responding to that. Politics gets people really heated, and this election is not an exception.

 

This might read as a person responding to the race card being pulled, but I've caught some of the stories about people hanging Obama effigies and other stuff like that, and so I can understand that if you combine that with people who don't care about his color but have passionate idealogical differences, it can seem to go hand in hand.

 

Agreed.

 

But I think peenie was speaking to the fact that people oppose Obama purely because he is black and have resorted to using certain words to characterize him (n*gger, chimp, etc).

 

Those folks scare me.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

i'm scared at how angry white people are.

i'm scared at how irrational their thoughts are.

 

You gotta remember that the "white people" you speak of are a minority.

 

I mean, as you pointed out yourself, not all black people are voting for Obama. Even if they did, to a man and women, that would make up, what, maybe 15-20% of registered voters?

 

Obama is polling above 50%. Where do you think the other votes are coming from?

 

 

 

White people, that's who.

[FeelingMN 273]

i'm scared.

i'm scared at how angry white people are.

i'm scared at how irrational their thoughts are.

 

I agree with most of what you said, but not with this.

 

Just a hypothetical but what happens if BO is assasinated? There will be millions of Americans distraught with grief, and angered by the event. But I think there will be riots like we've never seen. And you can be damn well sure farms and suburban malls won't go up in flames either. That's the epitome of anger and irrationality.

 

I just hope I ain't in the 'hood when that sh!t goes down.

[Guest ramrock11]

I for one did say any of that, I did however say i agreed with the anti crist comments because it does fit in with the end of days. Nothing against peenies comments those are his views and that's fine by me.

[naomi 356]

But I think peenie was speaking to the fact that people oppose Obama purely because he is black and have resorted to using certain words to characterize him (n*gger, chimp, etc).

 

Those folks scare me.

 

Didn't read of all this thread, so I'm guessing that's probably so too...except for purely speaking about those people. She said she was responding to allegations against him.

[NorthernVike 2,083]

You gotta remember that the "white people" you speak of are a minority.

 

I mean, as you pointed out yourself, not all black people are voting for Obama. Even if they did, to a man and women, that would make up, what, maybe 15-20% of registered voters?

 

Obama is polling above 50%. Where do you think the other votes are coming from?

[b]Messican[/b] people, that's who.

 

 

Fixorated

[peenie 1,906]

You gotta remember that the "white people" you speak of are a minority.

omg, i said racist!! not white!

wth???

i just finished discussing on wiffle's thread that whites are voting for obama.

i know not all white people are racist.

however, i don't like that the non-racist ones make excuses for the racist ones.

to me, when you start talking about obama, muslim and terrorist all in one sentence, you're a racist.

when you start nitpicking about his credentials and making his associates his mentors, then you're treading on that racist line because no one makes those same connections with mccain or bush.

why is obama being treated differently?

heck, mccain shouldn't even be considered for president if we're going to make ayers a big deal.

keating should send shivers down everyone's spine.

we still haven't recovered from the savings and loan fiasco. (note how someone will come defend mccain on that)

cheney-halliburton doesn't make anyone nervous?

doesn't cheney make you scared, lol. he's strange, imo. like someone stole his soul.

how many of you saw the obama food stamp?

that is racist!!!

i apologize for ranting on this thread but i just can't take another whiny annoying post about obama taking over the country like he's making all the darn rules. like congress doesn't exist.

it's just overblown fear.

i'm tired of it.