The Obama recession

[cmh6476 1,025]

where does it end?

[Blitzen 0]

I think the bit of genius that is to be gleaned here is that all the white politicians have managed to get a black politician elected as POTUS just when a huge recession is about to hit. Never mind the fact that he hasn't taken over yet...it's HIS recession.

[BudBro 183]

mike singletary being given the job with the niners comes to mind.

[NorthernVike 2,087]

I think the bit of genius that is to be gleaned here is that all the white politicians have managed to get a black politician elected as POTUS just when a huge recession is about to hit. Never mind the fact that he hasn't taken over yet...it's HIS recession.

 

 

He has been a member of the Senate during the start has he not?

[DAVID RUFFIN 2]

He has been a member of the Senate during the start has he not?

 

 

You have to be fishing, Nobody could be stupid enough to really believe that.

[FlaHawker 24]

If you don't think the market woes are tied to his socialist agenda and hatred of captialism and big business, you are kidding yourselves.

[DAVID RUFFIN 2]

If you don't think the market woes are tied to his socialist agenda and hatred of captialism and big business, you are kidding yourselves.

 

 

I stand corrected

[Dr.Grimm 0]

If you don't think the market woes are tied to his socialist agenda and hatred of captialism and big business, you are kidding yourselves.

[Quickolas1 80]

is there a current U.S. President in office or is he hiding under a rock somewhere?

[Dr.Grimm 0]

is there a current U.S. President in office or is he hiding under a rock somewhere?

 

Wrong thread.

[NorthernVike 2,087]

You have to be fishing, Nobody could be stupid enough to really believe that.

 

 

Your right, he and his ilk were never for giving loans to minorities, that just happen to not be able to pay them back, that were a major contributor to the whole housing mess which got us into this financial crisis in the first place.

[Voltaire 5,317]

This is going to be a realy hard sell considering the ecmnomy stagnated and the verdict on who's responsible for the recession came in -correctly- in the election earlier this month.

 

Obama is set up nicely. If there's a recovery, Obama will get the credit for it, but none of the blame for the cause.

[cmh6476 1,025]

This is going to be a realy hard sell considering the ecmnomy stagnated and the verdict on who's responsible for the recession came in -correctly- in the election earlier this month.

 

Obama is set up nicely. If there's a recovery, Obama will get the credit for it, but none of the blame for the cause.

 

the market is already starting to feel the crunch in anticipation of his economic policies and tax hikes

[Voltaire 5,317]

the market is already starting to feel the crunch in anticipation of his economic policies and tax hikes

 

It's pretty outrageous the spin of Republicans trying to pin this on Obama before votes are even fully counted and election fevor faded.

 

The market went into the pooper while guys like Mike Huckabee and Dennis Kuchinich were still actively combing New Hampshire and Iowa for votes. Things really hit the sh*tter two months ago when banks started folding, polls were close, and McCain suspended his campaign. The country identified the problem correctly- President Bush and his Republican enablers and fans in Congress.

 

During the Bush years, the country was/is fed on the economic equivelent of twinkees, jolt cola, and three packs of cigarettes. Massive debt and trade deficits that fed each other. The Republican Party can't govern for sh*t, that's not Obama's fault (actually not really McCain's fault either, he's one of the few good Republicans). We're paying for that ineptitude and incompetence now, but at least the people responsible are paying for it by losing their grip on the levers of power in Washington.

 

Republicans dug the hole and are still armed with shovels. Hopefully Dems build the ladder. I don't know that they will/can, but Bush Republicans are definately the problem NOT the answer.

 

Use to be the GOP was the party of fiscal responsibility, they've completly turned their backs on that 180 degrees, ran massive budget deficits by cutting taxes and went to war. I don't intend to forgiver or forget that for a long time.

 

I don't mind voting GOP at the state or local level, I've no beef with the Michigan Republican Party and am glad they still hold the state Senate. But at the national level, any Republican that cheered for Bush and marched in lock step of party-line vote after party-line vote. Fock them all. Bye Bye. Good riddence.

[usurpers26 26]

If you *really* believe this then you are one of the - no - THE most ignorant person in the universe...

 

the market is already starting to feel the crunch in anticipation of his economic policies and tax hikes

[mighty_thor 115]

the market is already starting to feel the crunch in anticipation of his economic policies and tax hikes

 

McFly? Hello? Hello? Anybody home? Huh? Think, McFly.

 

Have you been watching the market the past six months!!!!! Do you know about the bailout!!!! GM is in trouble now!!! The market is reacting to Obama being elected? I hope all repulitards think like you. You will never win another election. You are out of touch with reality. The market is going down the tubes because our economy sux not because they think it will sux under obama.

[cmh6476 1,025]

you guys want me to keep going?

 

We would have been in much worse shape the last 8 years, had it not been for Bush's economic policies

[Voltaire 5,317]

It's too bad the GOP can't nominate Schwartzenegger for President. Really. He's exactly what they need right now, but he's a lone island of sanity in a sea of Bush colonlickers.

[posty 2,702]

Use to be the GOP was the party of fiscal responsibility, they've completly turned their backs on that 180 degrees, ran massive budget deficits by cutting taxes and went to war.

 

This is the main problem with the current GOP...

[posty 2,702]

It's too bad the GOP can't nominate Schwartzenegger for President. Really. He's exactly what they need right now, but he's a lone island of sanity in a sea of Bush colonlickers.

 

Mellow greetings, Voltaire...

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

This is going to be a realy hard sell considering the ecmnomy stagnated and the verdict on who's responsible for the recession came in -correctly- in the election earlier this month.

 

Obama is set up nicely. If there's a recovery, Obama will get the credit for it, but none of the blame for the cause.

I respectfully disagree.

 

This nation has turned into a 3 second nation. By that, I mean, people see the now. Not the past, not the present, just the now. Bush gets a lot of blame, and he deserves a lot as well. But he did inherit some things from Clinton. And Clinton stopped (for the most part) receiving blame the second he left office. It may not be for the right reasons, but this nation looks to who is in power now. And applies blame to who is in power in the now.

 

There is a dumbing down, and it has been in process for longer than I have been alive. Everything is about the moment. IPhones, instant coffee, shorter cartoons, faster internet. It's all a part of our culture. Nobody will care about Bush 15 seconds after he's out of office. It will be about Obama and what he is or isn't doing for the masses. Bush will be forgotten and it will become about Obama and his current administration.

 

Like it or not. This is the culture we live in.

[posty 2,702]

I respectfully disagree.

 

This nation has turned into a 3 second nation. By that, I mean, people see the now. Not the past, not the present, just the now. Bush gets a lot of blame, and he deserves a lot as well. But he did inherit some things from Clinton. And Clinton stopped (for the most part) receiving blame the second he left office. It may not be for the right reasons, but this nation looks to who is in power now. And applies blame to who is in power in the now.

 

There is a dumbing down, and it has been in process for longer than I have been alive. Everything is about the moment. IPhones, instant coffee, shorter cartoons, faster internet. It's all a part of our culture. Nobody will care about Bush 15 seconds after he's out of office. It will be about Obama and what he is or isn't doing for the masses. Bush will be forgotten and it will become about Obama and his current administration.

 

Like it or not. This is the culture we live in.

 

Cliffs notes please... Didn't want to read all of it...

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

Cliffs notes please... Didn't want to read all of it...

the publik is dum. they'll blame who is in power.

[cmh6476 1,025]

I respectfully disagree.

 

This nation has turned into a 3 second nation. By that, I mean, people see the now. Not the past, not the present, just the now. Bush gets a lot of blame, and he deserves a lot as well. But he did inherit some things from Clinton. And Clinton stopped (for the most part) receiving blame the second he left office. It may not be for the right reasons, but this nation looks to who is in power now. And applies blame to who is in power in the now.

 

There is a dumbing down, and it has been in process for longer than I have been alive. Everything is about the moment. IPhones, instant coffee, shorter cartoons, faster internet. It's all a part of our culture. Nobody will care about Bush 15 seconds after he's out of office. It will be about Obama and what he is or isn't doing for the masses. Bush will be forgotten and it will become about Obama and his current administration.

 

Like it or not. This is the culture we live in.

 

and honestly, the markets are driven by futures and what is anticipated to come, so you really can't deny that some of the movements now are absolutely connected to what they are expectingto come with the Obama administration.

 

I may be over-exagerating it a tad, but it is true.

[Dr.Grimm 0]

It's too bad the GOP can't nominate Schwartzenegger for President. Really. He's exactly what they need right now, but he's a lone island of sanity in a sea of Bush colonlickers.

I find that

 

Arnold is a disaster and a joke. Hell, just last week he said Fock off voters, I don't care about the will of the people.

[Isotopes 1]

and honestly, the markets are driven by futures and what is anticipated to come, so you really can't deny that some of the movements now are absolutely connected to what they are expectingto come with the Obama administration.

 

I may be over-exagerating it a tad, but it is true.

 

Maybe we would be down 5000 if McCain would have been elected. There is no way to tell what if any effect Obama has had.

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

and honestly, the markets are driven by futures and what is anticipated to come, so you really can't deny that some of the movements now are absolutely connected to what they are expectingto come with the Obama administration.

 

I may be over-exagerating it a tad, but it is true.

Believe me, I have no doubt the market is reacting to what they think is coming. All election Obama was spewing about taxing the 250K and over. What do you think the 250K and over crowd is doing? They are preparing themselves for the raping that is coming. Small companies all around my area are laying off to prepare themselves for the coming taxes. A friend of mine just applied for a job. 400 applicants for 6 openings. Times are tough and job hunting is going to get real tough soon.

 

My original point was geared more at Voltaire in believing that the public will assign blame to Bush. They will assign it to whomever is in office. They voted in Obama because he was for change. 4 or 8 years from now, those that voted in Obama will vote in a republican because they say they are for change. Blame who is in office. That's the motto for the day.

[Dr.Grimm 0]

It's too bad the GOP can't nominate Schwartzenegger for President. Really. He's exactly what they need right now, but he's a lone island of sanity in a sea of Bush colonlickers.

 

 

Not even close. He is way too liberal like McCain. The GOP needs an actual conservative for a change.

[Voltaire 5,317]

 

Not even close. He is way too liberal like McCain. The GOP needs an actual conservative for a change.

 

What happened to the GOP IMO was it moved off too far to the right and just abandoned the center. A bunch of chickenhawks and religion fanatics took over. The money crowd and the well educated Republicans were abandoned. And I don't see how they put the pieces of the coalition back together when they embrace ignorance/incompetence as a virtue (see Palin and Bush).

 

Anybody who didn't march in lock step with Bush/DeLay/Frist was labeled a RINO. They all vote the same, sound the same, do the same things. And they're all resposible collectivly for driving the country into the ground. $5 tillion in debt with nothing to show for it but a country on the edge of disaster. They sucked future generations dry by spending massive amounts of money on jack sh*t nothing, refusing to paying for any of it. The Republican Party -on lock step party line votes- doubled the national debt and we've got nothing to show for it. Everything is focked. Unbelievable.

 

The Dems are all over from centrist to uber-liberal and yet there's no such critter as a DINO. They've never had much worry about spending taxpayer money on poorly designed entitlement programs. Yet they're now the fiscally responsible party. At least they pay for the dumb stuff they do and even with all the waste there's something to show for it at the end of the day.

 

I've never had any confidence in the Democratic Party to do anything right, they've not gotten over their entitlement mentality as far as I can see. But at least I always got the feeling that they wanted to do the right thing, even if it was counterproductive, over budget, and they focked up the delivery. Unfortunatly they're our only hope.

[Dr.Grimm 0]

What happened to the GOP IMO was it moved off too far to the right and just abandoned the center. A bunch of chickenhawks and religion fanatics took over. The money crowd and the well educated Republicans were abandoned. And I don't see how they put the pieces of the coalition back together when they embrace ignorance/incompetence as a virtue (see Palin and Bush).

 

Anybody who didn't march in lock step with Bush/DeLay/Frist was labeled a RINO. They all vote the same, sound the same, do the same things. And they're all resposible collectivly for driving the country into the ground. $5 tillion in debt with nothing to show for it but a country on the edge of disaster. They sucked future generations dry by spending massive amounts of money on jack sh*t nothing, refusing to paying for any of it. The Republican Party -on lock step party line votes- doubled the national debt and we've got nothing to show for it. Everything is focked. Unbelievable.

 

The Dems are all over from centrist to uber-liberal and yet there's no such critter as a DINO. They've never had much worry about spending taxpayer money on poorly designed entitlement programs. Yet they're now the fiscally responsible party. At least they pay for the dumb stuff they do and even with all the waste there's something to show for it at the end of the day.

 

I've never had any confidence in the Democratic Party to do anything right, they've not gotten over their entitlement mentality as far as I can see. But at least I always got the feeling that they wanted to do the right thing, even if it was counterproductive, over budget, and they focked up the delivery. Unfortunatly they're our only hope.

I don't disagree with this. The problem is Bush was too worried about his likability and tried to have it both ways. Bush is not who we thought he was, not even close. He is not conservative. Conservatives would not have done the things he has done. All he did was piss everybody off even though he did a couple of conservative things, like SCOTUS appointments. Plus, a lot of things liberals would cheer about if he had a D in front of his name, like expanding social programs and spending way more than any POTUS on education.

 

As far as religious fanatics go, that is just the cool thing to say now. Religious folks are conservative obviously. However, not all conservatives are religious fanatics. Good values are a part of it, but it goes much further than that to be a conservative. Smaller government, fiscal responsibility, things like that are just as important.

[Voltaire 5,317]

Smaller government, fiscal responsibility, things like that are just as important.

 

Would be nice, we didn't get any of that. Smaller government so far as less entitlment at any rate. I'm having to rethink my deregulatory position but I don't want it to go to overregulation and stiffle the economy.

 

The Iraq war, borrow and spend, religion excesses like stem cell and cretion science, not tackling energy or environmental problems.

 

And the whole Bush tax cutting thing is a big lie and scam. A real tax cut involves a spending cut. The Republicans jacked spending up and borrowed to paid for it all. It just means future generations pay higher taxes for an even less effective government because they have to pay for their own government plus George W. Bush's plus interest.

[BMoney 0]

with all of the senate experience that Obama has...whats there to be afraid of?

[Greedo 13]

If you don't think the market woes are tied to his socialist agenda and hatred of captialism and big business, you are kidding yourselves.

 

If you don't think the market woes are tied to the conservative trickle down agenda of love of capitalism, deregulation, and big business, YOU are kidding yourself.

 

 

see above.

 

the market is already starting to feel the crunch in anticipation of his economic policies and tax hikes

 

False. The market is already pricing in a recession and an inability to determine where corporate earnings are headed a few years into the future. Stop listening to Fox and study finance.

 

My original point was geared more at Voltaire in believing that the public will assign blame to Bush. They will assign it to whomever is in office. They voted in Obama because he was for change. 4 or 8 years from now, those that voted in Obama will vote in a republican because they say they are for change. Blame who is in office. That's the motto for the day.

 

There has been no shortage of blame to the Clinton administration for his failure to kill Bin Laden, and for his relaxation on mortgage requirements. I could go on all day with other examples. The above statement is absolutely false.

 

with all of the senate experience that Obama has...whats there to be afraid of?

 

Explain, using a modicum of logic, why more senate experience equals a better president. I'll be waiting.

[FlaHawker 24]

What happened to the GOP IMO was it moved off too far to the right and just abandoned the center.

That ignorant statement just serves to illustrate how far out of the loop you are. In fact, the Republicans are trying too hard to be like Democrats. We need to get back to our conservative roots. Thankfully, in 4 years after Obama continues to Fock up the country the Republicans will realize that a left leaning McCain type can't win the election because in the end, Obama will hide his liberal self and run to the center and he and a "centrist Republican will sound exactly alike. A true conservative will be elected in 4 years. Thank god!

[The Moz 69]

I actually like Obama as Prez.

 

though I will say that increasing taxes on Corporations in a time when poeple are losing Jobs already at a high rate -- might not be a really smart thing to do...

 

just saying

[BMoney 0]

If you don't think the market woes are tied to the conservative trickle down agenda of love of capitalism, deregulation, and big business, YOU are kidding yourself.

see above.

False. The market is already pricing in a recession and an inability to determine where corporate earnings are headed a few years into the future. Stop listening to Fox and study finance.

There has been no shortage of blame to the Clinton administration for his failure to kill Bin Laden, and for his relaxation on mortgage requirements. I could go on all day with other examples. The above statement is absolutely false.

Explain, using a modicum of logic, why more senate experience equals a better president. I'll be waiting.

 

 

youre kidding, right? you guys went on and on about how W was clueless and focked up the country..so your response was to put the guy with the least amount of experience in the white house...having someone who knows what to do in certain situations and has dealt with foreign affairs isnt a bad idea right now...

[Flashover 0]

That ignorant statement just serves to illustrate how far out of the loop you are. In fact, the Republicans are trying too hard to be like Democrats. We need to get back to our conservative roots. Thankfully, in 4 years after Obama continues to Fock up the country the Republicans will realize that a left leaning McCain type can't win the election because in the end, Obama will hide his liberal self and run to the center and he and a "centrist Republican will sound exactly alike. A true conservative will be elected in 4 years. Thank god!

I agree. Palin should be the future of the Republican party. Palin 2012!

[Voltaire 5,317]

If Obama can turn things around, the Dems will get all the credit, deserve most all the credit, and stay in charge for a long long time. And bless them if they do since we only have the one (potentially) responsible part today. The Republican Party screwed America over, is completly negligent for what they've done, and richly deserve everything thats happening to them.

 

Hopefully they suffer many years in the minority, most of the Bush-enablers who focked the country over die off, retire, or get replaced. Then, when the Dems start pushing too hard leftward, some worthwhile GOP leadership finds some way to start reaching out to moderates again.

 

youre kidding, right? you guys went on and on about how W was clueless and focked up the country..so your response was to put the guy with the least amount of experience in the white house...having someone who knows what to do in certain situations and has dealt with foreign affairs isnt a bad idea right now...

 

I've liked McCain for years. Especially on integrity but even on budgetary matters, which isn't his specialty.

 

What is his specialty is foreign policy and his blunders and misjudgments there are a huge reason I voted for Obama. There's a large difference between McCain and Bush, I was never sold on the McSame argument. I wanted to vote for him all summer despite his lousy foreign policy. But I was always uncomfortable. Then Palin came along and that was the end of that.

[phillybear 366]

If Obama can turn things around, the Dems will get all the credit, deserve most all the credit, and stay in charge for a long long time. And bless them if they do since we only have the one (potentially) responsible part today. The Republican Party screwed America over, is completly negligent for what they've done, and richly deserve everything thats happening to them.

 

The Democrats in the last couple of months gave away a trillion dollars to their rich buddies, and will continue to do so in the immediate future. Right there, they did more damage than everything Bush did in the last 8 years. The Democrats will deserve most of the blame for the upcoming FAYLE in this country. Just wait until Obama rolls up his sleeves. The Democrats are a party made up of special interest groups, and now it's time for them to be rewarded.

[FlaHawker 24]

If Obama can turn things around, the Dems will get all the credit, deserve most all the credit, and stay in charge for a long long time. And bless them if they do since we only have the one (potentially) responsible part today. The Republican Party screwed America over, is completly negligent for what they've done, and richly deserve everything thats happening to them.

Said the guy who couldn't make it here so he ran away to China!