Did Favre really make a difference?

[BMoney 0]

I just purchased two of them. I guess you would have to attend the Lions game in order to be assured Green Bay can get a win. Keep telling stories about your family and their adventures in rundown lambeau. We all get a good laugh at them.

 

rundown lambeau?

 

jerry jones used lambeau field as a model for his stadium..not in the design..but the many new ways that it brings in money...all of the bars...restaurants...lambeau is not rundown...

 

 

you can take my side on the favre thing if you want..but saying dumb things about lambeau isnt helping your cause...especially consideirng that the cowboys used to play in 1 of the worst stadiums in sports...be glad your PSL is going towards seats in a stadium like lambeau..the house that brett helped renovate...

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

I just purchased two of them.

 

lol im sure you did... fast food employees don't make that much... unless your selling BJ's on the side?

[Sho Nuff 720]

lol im sure you did... fast food employees don't make that much... unless your selling BJ's on the side?

 

Plus I think he works the drive thru on Sundays.

[BMoney 0]

I guess that makes me a bigger fan since I now have seats at the best stadium on the planet and you live in Tennessee and can't attend Packer games. Have a seat Shonuff!

 

 

best stadium on the planet? how are the games there? fun?...how can it be the best? it hasnt even had a game yet..is it better than the new yankee stadium?..probably wont even be better than the old one..or fenway..or the urinal where the cubs play.. its better than the montreal forum or ACC in toronto? have you been there for a game on a saturday night vs a rival?...it wont be better than a snowy day at lambeau....better than arthur ashe stadium on a late night? or the indy 500?...

 

congrats...i put the new TO stadium in the top 50 for best stadiums...#1 is a bit of a stretch right now...

 

and it may be a great stadium when it opens..but i bet its quiet in january...thanks to romo and TO

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Chalk another one up for SHoNuff being delusional.

 

He knows what he is talking about but once he gets on one side of the argument he will stay there no matter how wrong he is.

 

You are delusional in the matter of thinking this team is better than it is. On one hand you say "its not Rodgers, we wouldn't of been much better off if Favre was here" (which I agree, we may have been a game better) But at the same time, you think TT is a good GM and the rest of the team is fine, any player I point out as average or really hurting the team you point out as a good player.

 

Can't have it both ways. There is a reason they are 5-7 and its not just injuries. You admit the D has sucked and that is the reason, but you are not willing to give a thumbs down to TT or to any of the players on that D.

 

Makes no sense really.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You are delusional in the matter of thinking this team is better than it is. On one hand you say "its not Rodgers, we wouldn't of been much better off if Favre was here" (which I agree, we may have been a game better) But at the same time, you think TT is a good GM and the rest of the team is fine, any player I point out as average or really hurting the team you point out as a good player.

 

Can't have it both ways. There is a reason they are 5-7 and its not just injuries. You admit the D has sucked and that is the reason, but you are not willing to give a thumbs down to TT or to any of the players on that D.

 

Makes no sense really.

 

I don't think the team is better than it is.

I think its a young talented team that has some holes. And Brett Favre at QB is not fixing the holes this year.

I say TT is a good GM and is building a solid core. AGain, he is not perfect and has left some holes.

But he is hardly the devil that a few want to make him out to be and does not deserve to just get run out of town.

I did not point out every player as a good player.

You called John Jolly average...and he and his play is certainly not hurting the team. Neither is AJ Hawk on his own hurting this team.

I never said it was just injuries as to why they are 5-7. I have admitted the D has been bad and played bad. I don't think its all TT. Players that played well last year have gone downhill and they have lost 2 very key parts of the defense in Barnett and Jenkins.

Jenkins is a huge piece of this Dline.

 

How does that make no sense.

Can TT somehow cure people? Could he have fixed Harris' spleen? Bigby's injuries? Hawk's? Barnett's? Could he make Pickett play better or Hawk run faster?

[BMoney 0]

Can TT somehow cure people? Could he have fixed Harris' spleen? Bigby's injuries? Hawk's? Barnett's? Could he make Pickett play better or Hawk run faster?

 

 

so TT isnt responsible for the teams depth?

 

 

his job gets easier by the day....

[Sho Nuff 720]

so TT isnt responsible for the teams depth?

his job gets easier by the day....

 

Where did I say he was not responsible for depth?

They lost the #1 and #2 DEs on the right side. The backups at that position have also missed time with injury.

What team can just keep plugging in DEs like that and not have a dropoff?

What team loses its MLB and has its replacement slightly hampered too and won't see a dropoff?

Or loses a CB like Harris...though, there was not as much of a dropoff there going to Williams.

 

But you had other players who played big roles last year and are simply not playing as well...some of those things are beyond TT's control. Unless anyone here would suggest he should have had a starting caliber tackle ready to put in for Clifton when he was struggling. Cause lots of teams carry 2 starting caliber LTs right?

 

Depth is one thing. Having no dropoff when you face far more injuries than the previous season (and lack of injuries did play a part in GB doing so well last year) is nearly impossible for any GM. Especially with a team this young.

 

In certain places...the dropoff did not hurt or not hurt much.

Williams while Harris was out. Nelson for Jones and Martin.

On the Oline...that is one place I have said TT for sure has failed in having quality and quality depth.

DLine has been an issue in losing one of the keys to the defense. TN can have all the depth in the world...but if Haynesworth goes out...they lose a bit (no, Jenkins is not as good as Haynesworth...the point is...if a team loses the key piece of its line or a big piece of it...it will hurt them big time).

[mozzy84 0]

Where did I say he was not responsible for depth?

They lost the #1 and #2 DEs on the right side. The backups at that position have also missed time with injury.

What team can just keep plugging in DEs like that and not have a dropoff?

What team loses its MLB and has its replacement slightly hampered too and won't see a dropoff?

Or loses a CB like Harris...though, there was not as much of a dropoff there going to Williams.

 

But you had other players who played big roles last year and are simply not playing as well...some of those things are beyond TT's control. Unless anyone here would suggest he should have had a starting caliber tackle ready to put in for Clifton when he was struggling. Cause lots of teams carry 2 starting caliber LTs right?

 

Depth is one thing. Having no dropoff when you face far more injuries than the previous season (and lack of injuries did play a part in GB doing so well last year) is nearly impossible for any GM. Especially with a team this young.

 

In certain places...the dropoff did not hurt or not hurt much.

Williams while Harris was out. Nelson for Jones and Martin.

On the Oline...that is one place I have said TT for sure has failed in having quality and quality depth.

DLine has been an issue in losing one of the keys to the defense. TN can have all the depth in the world...but if Haynesworth goes out...they lose a bit (no, Jenkins is not as good as Haynesworth...the point is...if a team loses the key piece of its line or a big piece of it...it will hurt them big time).

between here and footballguys how the hell do you get ANYTHING done during the day?

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

between here and footballguys how the hell do you get ANYTHING done during the day?

 

He spends his time drinking Ted Thompson's Kool Aid.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

I don't think the team is better than it is.

I think its a young talented team that has some holes. And Brett Favre at QB is not fixing the holes this year.

I say TT is a good GM and is building a solid core. AGain, he is not perfect and has left some holes.

But he is hardly the devil that a few want to make him out to be and does not deserve to just get run out of town.

I did not point out every player as a good player.

You called John Jolly average...and he and his play is certainly not hurting the team. Neither is AJ Hawk on his own hurting this team.

I never said it was just injuries as to why they are 5-7. I have admitted the D has been bad and played bad. I don't think its all TT. Players that played well last year have gone downhill and they have lost 2 very key parts of the defense in Barnett and Jenkins.

Jenkins is a huge piece of this Dline.

 

How does that make no sense.

Can TT somehow cure people? Could he have fixed Harris' spleen? Bigby's injuries? Hawk's? Barnett's? Could he make Pickett play better or Hawk run faster?

 

Exactly my point. To you the whole reason for the bad season is injury and players not playing well....? Not very strong arguments.

 

Its pretty easy to say "hey they had injuries and players didn't play good. Lets see next year." Well what if Hawk is his still slow ass self and we have some injuries again, wait until next year? Maybe after they struggle for a while you will realize that they are overated.

 

Every team has injury, the Giants just lost Strahan to retirment, Osi before the season started, Jacobs has been knicked, Burris is now done, and they most likely have had more key injuries....but they are the best team in the league. Don't blame it all on injury, if there was depth it wouldn't be that big of a problem. If Hawk was actually a playmaker maybe he could help the D.

 

Please get real, and get these weak excuses out of here.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Where did I say he was not responsible for depth?

They lost the #1 and #2 DEs on the right side. The backups at that position have also missed time with injury.

What team can just keep plugging in DEs like that and not have a dropoff?

What team loses its MLB and has its replacement slightly hampered too and won't see a dropoff?

Or loses a CB like Harris...though, there was not as much of a dropoff there going to Williams.

 

The D wasn't playing that well vs the run or getting pressure on the QB when everyone was healthy. The only thing going for them was Collins and Woodson's countless plays.

 

So I don't understand where all this drop off is? They have sucked vs the run all year, and haven't got pressue on the QB in any game.

 

Makes no sense.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

Hmm seems I'm not the only one to thinK Hawk is overvalued and overdrafted. When you take a linebacker in the top 5 you expect a a leader on your defense a la Brian Urlacher. AJ Hawk is a solid linebacker but there's nothing special about him. He's slightly better than Brady Poppinga!!! Seriously, take away the numbers ON the jersey from both guys and it's hard to tell them apart.

 

Every team in the NFL suffers injuries. The Packers have had theirs buts so have the Giants as stated above. An even better example is the Patriots. No one has suffered more than them yet they still have a better record than the Packers (both final four teams from last year). They also have that perfect blend of acquiring impact FA's and building through the draft. Thompson only likes to build to the draft which is fine if you're willing to go through a few more seasons like this one to get to where you want the Packers to be. It's not fine, however, when this team is already at a Super Bowl level.

 

I like to see the Packers do well. They're a team I like to see do well (along with the Buffalo Bills) because I like the small market teams that survive with the big boys of the NFL. I just don't like the ego's up top that I feel are slowly ruining this team and ALWAYS thinking about next year and not focusing on the year at hand. I can't say this enough but the Packers were in the NFC championship last year and are now two games under .500 and out of the playoffs. That's not exactly moving in the right direction. And they couldn't bring back the guy who put Green Bay football on the map after two decades of being the laughing stock of the NFL.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Exactly my point. To you the whole reason for the bad season is injury and players not playing well....? Not very strong arguments.

 

Its pretty easy to say "hey they had injuries and players didn't play good. Lets see next year." Well what if Hawk is his still slow ass self and we have some injuries again, wait until next year? Maybe after they struggle for a while you will realize that they are overated.

 

Every team has injury, the Giants just lost Strahan to retirment, Osi before the season started, Jacobs has been knicked, Burris is now done, and they most likely have had more key injuries....but they are the best team in the league. Don't blame it all on injury, if there was depth it wouldn't be that big of a problem. If Hawk was actually a playmaker maybe he could help the D.

 

Please get real, and get these weak excuses out of here.

 

Talk about get real...no, to me injuries and poor play by some are not the whole reason at all.

And how is poor play not a strong reasoning for a bad season?

 

They did have injuries. Far more serious ones at key positions this year.

We will see on Hawk how he responds.

The Giants had set up to lose strahan...they have done well without Osi too.

but newsflash...the Giants are a better team...i have not said they were not.

Im not blaming it all on injury at all. But you can keep thinking that if you want.

[Sho Nuff 720]

The D wasn't playing that well vs the run or getting pressure on the QB when everyone was healthy. The only thing going for them was Collins and Woodson's countless plays.

 

So I don't understand where all this drop off is? They have sucked vs the run all year, and haven't got pressue on the QB in any game.

 

Makes no sense.

 

I think the D was playing better with some of them healthy.

Jenkins was not healthy long though.

It does make no sense given the players on that D are the same ones that were solid last year.

 

Thats kind of the point...what GM goes out and spends on guys to replace those who played very well last year?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Hmm seems I'm not the only one to thinK Hawk is overvalued and overdrafted. When you take a linebacker in the top 5 you expect a a leader on your defense a la Brian Urlacher. AJ Hawk is a solid linebacker but there's nothing special about him. He's slightly better than Brady Poppinga!!! Seriously, take away the numbers ON the jersey from both guys and it's hard to tell them apart.

 

Every team in the NFL suffers injuries. The Packers have had theirs buts so have the Giants as stated above. An even better example is the Patriots. No one has suffered more than them yet they still have a better record than the Packers (both final four teams from last year). They also have that perfect blend of acquiring impact FA's and building through the draft. Thompson only likes to build to the draft which is fine if you're willing to go through a few more seasons like this one to get to where you want the Packers to be. It's not fine, however, when this team is already at a Super Bowl level.

 

I like to see the Packers do well. They're a team I like to see do well (along with the Buffalo Bills) because I like the small market teams that survive with the big boys of the NFL. I just don't like the ego's up top that I feel are slowly ruining this team and ALWAYS thinking about next year and not focusing on the year at hand. I can't say this enough but the Packers were in the NFC championship last year and are now two games under .500 and out of the playoffs. That's not exactly moving in the right direction. And they couldn't bring back the guy who put Green Bay football on the map after two decades of being the laughing stock of the NFL.

 

Umm...Hawk is better than Poppinga by a decent amount. And sure he is a bit overvalued at 5...but again...look at that draft. I posted the top 15 the other day...and outside of a QB that nobody would have said they should take at #5 in Cutler with already taking Rodgers (and could you imagine Favre's family whining had they taken a QB 2 years in a row in the 1st round?). And Ngata (who also benefits from playing on a better defense) and few said they should take him at 5. The top of that draft was bad. Instead, they took a solid starter to play OLB.

 

And yes...every team suffers injuries...the point is, last year they did not have near the injuries that they do this year. That is part of the dropoff from last season.

 

And they are not just always thinking about next year...but they keep it in mind for sure.

[Dallas_Empire 0]

best stadium on the planet? how are the games there? fun?...how can it be the best? it hasnt even had a game yet..is it better than the new yankee stadium?..probably wont even be better than the old one..or fenway..or the urinal where the cubs play.. its better than the montreal forum or ACC in toronto? have you been there for a game on a saturday night vs a rival?...it wont be better than a snowy day at lambeau....better than arthur ashe stadium on a late night? or the indy 500?...

 

congrats...i put the new TO stadium in the top 50 for best stadiums...#1 is a bit of a stretch right now...

 

and it may be a great stadium when it opens..but i bet its quiet in january...thanks to romo and TO

 

 

 

The most luxerious and largest state of the art stadium on the planet is going to be the new Cowboys stadium. No other venue can come close to this new building in terms of technology, size and the amenities that will be present. It also happens to be the new home to the best sports franchise on Earth. No one cares about old dumps like Lambeau or those places in Canada. Thanks for playing....try again!

 

 

P.S. We also have the hottest cheerleaders.

[The Big Deal 0]

Haven't read through much of this thread, but if you really think Favre didn't make a difference, you either just don't like the guy for whatever reason or you're just overanalyzing things.

[Dallas_Empire 0]

Haven't read through much of this thread, but if you really think Favre didn't make a difference, you either just don't like the guy for whatever reason or you're just overanalyzing things.

 

 

You must be talking about Shonuff here.

[Dallas_Empire 0]

rundown lambeau?

 

jerry jones used lambeau field as a model for his stadium..not in the design..but the many new ways that it brings in money...all of the bars...restaurants...lambeau is not rundown...

you can take my side on the favre thing if you want..but saying dumb things about lambeau isnt helping your cause...especially consideirng that the cowboys used to play in 1 of the worst stadiums in sports...be glad your PSL is going towards seats in a stadium like lambeau..the house that brett helped renovate...

 

 

Texas Stadium is not run down. It is an iconic stadium with a rich history of winning. Lambeau is a dump built in the middle of nowhere with a country population. Y'all got a purdy mouf!

[hines86rules 0]

Texas Stadium is not run down. It is an iconic stadium with a rich history of winning. Lambeau is a dump built in the middle of nowhere with a country population. Y'all got a purdy mouf!

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Texas-Sta...-C10224157.jpeg

The mismatched roof tiles is a nice touch.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/weaz/93857250/

What a site.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/timmer82/277320331/

You don't find architecture like that anymore!!!

 

on the other hand:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ballpark97/92851936/

Beautiful

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/familyrtw/1344102788/

Iconic.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/compujeramey/128265814/

Ditto

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Umm...Hawk is better than Poppinga by a decent amount.

 

I think you are buying into the hype. Because his name is AJ Hawk, from OSU, long blond hair, high pick...

 

Seriously focus on the LBing crew the next game you watch, really look at it, and tell me AJ Hawk doesn't look any better than some average LB who can't change direction and can't cover.

 

He plays with a lot less emotion than I thought he was going to. He's just real disappointing to me.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Hmm seems I'm not the only one to thinK Hawk is overvalued and overdrafted. When you take a linebacker in the top 5 you expect a a leader on your defense a la Brian Urlacher. AJ Hawk is a solid linebacker but there's nothing special about him. He's slightly better than Brady Poppinga!!! Seriously, take away the numbers ON the jersey from both guys and it's hard to tell them apart.

 

Every team in the NFL suffers injuries. The Packers have had theirs buts so have the Giants as stated above. An even better example is the Patriots. No one has suffered more than them yet they still have a better record than the Packers (both final four teams from last year). They also have that perfect blend of acquiring impact FA's and building through the draft. Thompson only likes to build to the draft which is fine if you're willing to go through a few more seasons like this one to get to where you want the Packers to be. It's not fine, however, when this team is already at a Super Bowl level.

 

I like to see the Packers do well. They're a team I like to see do well (along with the Buffalo Bills) because I like the small market teams that survive with the big boys of the NFL. I just don't like the ego's up top that I feel are slowly ruining this team and ALWAYS thinking about next year and not focusing on the year at hand. I can't say this enough but the Packers were in the NFC championship last year and are now two games under .500 and out of the playoffs. That's not exactly moving in the right direction. And they couldn't bring back the guy who put Green Bay football on the map after two decades of being the laughing stock of the NFL.

 

This is a good post.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

The Giants had set up to lose strahan...they have done well without Osi too.

but newsflash...the Giants are a better team...i have not said they were not.

Im not blaming it all on injury at all. But you can keep thinking that if you want.

 

NEWSFALSH The Giants were the team the Packers played with evenly in teh NFC Championship Game. Without their 2 best D players, and now Burris.

 

Why can they stay on top?

 

Maybe the team that was last year just wasn't as good as it seemed. Maybe TT just didn't build a team from the start that was a contender.

 

Makes the GMs job pretty easy when you can say, "well these guys played good this year, but dropped off in that year" Its like the GM can't lose. If that were the case anyone could be GM.

 

Just like if you could pick a fantasy team based on last years stats, eveyone could draft a good team.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

Umm...Hawk is better than Poppinga by a decent amount. And sure he is a bit overvalued at 5...but again...look at that draft. I posted the top 15 the other day...and outside of a QB that nobody would have said they should take at #5 in Cutler with already taking Rodgers (and could you imagine Favre's family whining had they taken a QB 2 years in a row in the 1st round?). And Ngata (who also benefits from playing on a better defense) and few said they should take him at 5. The top of that draft was bad. Instead, they took a solid starter to play OLB.

 

And yes...every team suffers injuries...the point is, last year they did not have near the injuries that they do this year. That is part of the dropoff from last season.

 

And they are not just always thinking about next year...but they keep it in mind for sure.

 

You're right but you also proved my point. Hawk is better than BRADY POPPINGA by a decent amount. Hawk was the 5th player drafted in the 2005 Draft while Poppinga is a late round pick that is only known by Packer fans. Hawk should be leaps and bounds ahead of Poppinga but he's not. Hawk is better than Poppinga by a decent amount but Nick Barnett is better than Hawk by a major amount. Also, you stated that there wasn't much in that draft and the Packers could've done worse. That's true but they could've done a lot better. Ernie Simms (very good linebacker on a horrible team) was taken 4 picks after Hawk while Demeco Ryans was taken an entire round after Hawk. I'd take both of them over Hawk right now.

 

Ted Thompson has done a great job with his late round picks but most of his first round picks have been busts (especially dating back to his days as Seattle's GM). Again, Thompson may be a good scout but he's not been a very good GM thus far.

[Dallas_Empire 0]

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Texas-Sta...-C10224157.jpeg

The mismatched roof tiles is a nice touch.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/weaz/93857250/

What a site.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/timmer82/277320331/

You don't find architecture like that anymore!!!

 

on the other hand:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ballpark97/92851936/

Beautiful

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/familyrtw/1344102788/

Iconic.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/compujeramey/128265814/

Ditto

 

 

http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/

 

I can't find the biggest T.V. in the world hanging in Lambeau! Do you guys even have cable in that dump? Take the tour on the website and listen to Jerry Jones. Our new building costs $1.3 billion.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You must be talking about Shonuff here.

 

Funny, you might want to check what I said about him on the first page of this thread and how he has made a difference in NY.

I don't think he would make enough difference in GB to turn that team into a contender this year.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I think you are buying into the hype. Because his name is AJ Hawk, from OSU, long blond hair, high pick...

 

Seriously focus on the LBing crew the next game you watch, really look at it, and tell me AJ Hawk doesn't look any better than some average LB who can't change direction and can't cover.

 

He plays with a lot less emotion than I thought he was going to. He's just real disappointing to me.

 

No...I just don't think much of Poppinga as anything more than a contributor who should be there for depth. He is a starter now sure and has been for a few years.

But overall, Hawk is the better player.

Its not because his name is Hawk from OSU. Its because how he has performed prior to this season showing he is a solid enough player. Not stud...but solid starter.

And right now...yes, Hawk looks bad. As did Barnett to start this year. Hawk looked a bit better to start the year and I still don't think he is back from injuries either.

[Sho Nuff 720]

NEWSFALSH The Giants were the team the Packers played with evenly in teh NFC Championship Game. Without their 2 best D players, and now Burris.

 

Why can they stay on top?

 

Maybe the team that was last year just wasn't as good as it seemed. Maybe TT just didn't build a team from the start that was a contender.

 

Makes the GMs job pretty easy when you can say, "well these guys played good this year, but dropped off in that year" Its like the GM can't lose. If that were the case anyone could be GM.

 

Just like if you could pick a fantasy team based on last years stats, eveyone could draft a good team.

 

Oline. Running game. Defense.

 

And yes...they hung with them this year. Do you, or anyone think that this team is playing like they did last year? The Packers that is?

Are they?

You say its not a strong reason for the difference in record...but do you agree or disagree that some players are not playing up to how they did last year? Ill name you a few.

Clifton

Bigby

Hawk

Pickett

Colledge

Wells

Grant

 

Add that up...while missing your top 2 DEs on the right side and now your MLB. Missing 2 safeties and now putting Woodson back there. Missing your #3 WR and putting Nelson out there and rarely going with the 4-5 Wide looks this year (hell, many games they have only had 4 active WRs).

 

I think there are plenty of reasons for the record. Those two issues mentioned above are pretty big as they involve some key players on this team.

QB play has actually dropped off about the least at this point.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You're right but you also proved my point. Hawk is better than BRADY POPPINGA by a decent amount. Hawk was the 5th player drafted in the 2005 Draft while Poppinga is a late round pick that is only known by Packer fans. Hawk should be leaps and bounds ahead of Poppinga but he's not. Hawk is better than Poppinga by a decent amount but Nick Barnett is better than Hawk by a major amount. Also, you stated that there wasn't much in that draft and the Packers could've done worse. That's true but they could've done a lot better. Ernie Simms (very good linebacker on a horrible team) was taken 4 picks after Hawk while Demeco Ryans was taken an entire round after Hawk. I'd take both of them over Hawk right now.

 

Ted Thompson has done a great job with his late round picks but most of his first round picks have been busts (especially dating back to his days as Seattle's GM). Again, Thompson may be a good scout but he's not been a very good GM thus far.

 

Simms has not shown to be any better than Hawk right now.

Yes...Ryans was taken a round after Hawk...what does that tell you? That nobody saw him as a first round talent...much less top 5.

Look at that draft and just the top 15. Hawk was a solid safe pick. Not the stud some want...but not a total bust like many others in that top 15 even.

So far Harrell is about the only first rounder he has taken you can call a bust. And he is just now healthy and hopefully can do something (im not holding my breath on that...for now he is at least a major disappointment).

Look at their previous 1st rounders even under Sherman and Wolf. Its not as pretty as you would think. Its actually quite ugly. And Wolf was a great GM.

[Sho Nuff 720]

http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/

 

I can't find the biggest T.V. in the world hanging in Lambeau! Do you guys even have cable in that dump? Take the tour on the website and listen to Jerry Jones. Our new building costs $1.3 billion.

 

Wow...it has the biggest TV so that must make it the best right?

Wow...1.3 billion...seems like a waste to not be the best.

Also...you do realize Lambeau was built quite a long time ago right...and its still standing...and it still has much more history in it than any stadium in Texas ever will.

And people will continue to put it on their lists of places they want to see before they die...while I have never heard anyone say...man, I got to get to Texas Stadium.

[The Hood 9]

Oline. Running game. Defense.

 

And yes...they hung with them this year. Do you, or anyone think that this team is playing like they did last year? The Packers that is?

Are they?

You say its not a strong reason for the difference in record...but do you agree or disagree that some players are not playing up to how they did last year? Ill name you a few.

Clifton

Bigby

Hawk

Pickett

Colledge

Wells

Grant

 

Add that up...while missing your top 2 DEs on the right side and now your MLB. Missing 2 safeties and now putting Woodson back there. Missing your #3 WR and putting Nelson out there and rarely going with the 4-5 Wide looks this year (hell, many games they have only had 4 active WRs).

 

I think there are plenty of reasons for the record. Those two issues mentioned above are pretty big as they involve some key players on this team.

QB play has actually dropped off about the least at this point.

While Rodgers has been fairly close to Favre you don't think Defenses might be keying a bit more on Grant and the running game this year leading to the lesser numbers? Something that against Favre they would have been more afraid to do in fear of the big pass play which also might be helping Rodgers put up some better numbers.

[Sho Nuff 720]

While Rodgers has been fairly close to Favre you don't think Defenses might be keying a bit more on Grant and the running game this year leading to the lesser numbers? Something that against Favre they would have been more afraid to do in fear of the big pass play which also might be helping Rodgers put up some better numbers.

 

Grant and the running game have been an issue...and yes. Favre has some effect in that.

THough, Id point to games where they ran the ball ok and threw the ball well and still the defense gave up so much they still lost.

In addition, I don't think Grant was right at all to start the year...you could see for a few games there he got back to running hard and agressive. Solid games against Tennessee, Chicago, Minnesota. Not exactly pushovers.

Defenses were keying on the pass against the Packers early last year too...and they sucked running the ball at that point.

It had an effect...but I don't think near enough to put this team as anything more than a possible winner of a poor division and not a scare in the playoffs. Not with this defense.

[The Moz 69]

Last season Farve in GB - Grant runs great

 

this year Farve in NY - Jones is running great

 

coincidence?

 

also - both suck/ed without Favre

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

Simms has not shown to be any better than Hawk right now.

Yes...Ryans was taken a round after Hawk...what does that tell you? That nobody saw him as a first round talent...much less top 5.

Look at that draft and just the top 15. Hawk was a solid safe pick. Not the stud some want...but not a total bust like many others in that top 15 even.

So far Harrell is about the only first rounder he has taken you can call a bust. And he is just now healthy and hopefully can do something (im not holding my breath on that...for now he is at least a major disappointment).

Look at their previous 1st rounders even under Sherman and Wolf. Its not as pretty as you would think. Its actually quite ugly. And Wolf was a great GM.

 

Thompson's first round picks as Packers GM:

 

2005: Aaron Rodgers: Falls into his lap because 20+ teams after the 49ers didn't want a QB.

 

2006: AJ Hawk. Very unimpressive and hasn't lived up to the hype. Solid? Yes. But not the player the Packers were hoping for either.

 

2007: Justin Harrell: Complete and total bust. Injury riddled player who has barely seen the field.

 

2008: Jordy Nelson: Trades out of the first round to take a WR (Packers biggest strength) when they clearly needed help on Defense and O-line. I know you said Nelson would eventually replace Driver but isn't that what they drafted James Jones for? Or is to prepare for the future when Driver retires and they don't want to pay Jennings big time WR money and he leaves in free agency?

 

Thompson's first round picks as Seahawks GM were worse taking the likes of Koren Robinson, Marcus Tubbs, Chris McIntosh, etc. The best move Thompson made was trading for Favre's backup, Matt Hasselbeck.

[The Moz 69]

The best move Thompson made was trading for Favre's backup, Matt Hasselbeck.

 

NO - Holmgren actually was behind that move.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

NO - Holmgren actually was behind that move.

 

Right, but since he was GM at the time it would be wrong if I didn't give him some credit.

 

btw, I think that's one of the best reasons Rodgers is going to succeed in the NFL. He had three years to sit and learn and he was behind Favre the whole time. Can't ask for a greater transition into the NFL than that. Had he been drafted by the 49ers he might be in Alex Smith's position right now.

[The Hood 9]

Actually now that I actually look at things we're all wrong.........the Pack have about the same rush avg as last year and are actually running a bit more often this year for 12 extra yds per game. It's the passing game that's fallen off 42 yds per game.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Last season Farve in GB - Grant runs great

 

this year Farve in NY - Jones is running great

 

coincidence?

 

also - both suck/ed without Favre

 

Jones ran great with Rex Grossman at QB before too.

Oh...and this year...Favre in NY, Faneca in NY, several #1 draft picks on that line another year into their careers.

This year in GB, Clifton on gimpy knees, Wells misses time, Tauscher misses time....oh...and Grant has still run pretty good at times.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Thompson's first round picks as Packers GM:

 

2005: Aaron Rodgers: Falls into his lap because 20+ teams after the 49ers didn't want a QB.

 

2006: AJ Hawk. Very unimpressive and hasn't lived up to the hype. Solid? Yes. But not the player the Packers were hoping for either.

 

2007: Justin Harrell: Complete and total bust. Injury riddled player who has barely seen the field.

 

2008: Jordy Nelson: Trades out of the first round to take a WR (Packers biggest strength) when they clearly needed help on Defense and O-line. I know you said Nelson would eventually replace Driver but isn't that what they drafted James Jones for? Or is to prepare for the future when Driver retires and they don't want to pay Jennings big time WR money and he leaves in free agency?

 

Thompson's first round picks as Seahawks GM were worse taking the likes of Koren Robinson, Marcus Tubbs, Chris McIntosh, etc. The best move Thompson made was trading for Favre's backup, Matt Hasselbeck.

 

Yup...Rodgers fell into his lap...though people blasted him for it...wanted guys like Matt Roth...and then said there was a reason people passed on Rodgers. Yet...he still made the pick and so far it looks pretty good.

Hawk...not up to #5 hype...but look at that draft...its better than most of the alternatives at that spot.

Harrell is in his 2nd year. He has been a huge disappointment but too early to tell on that one.

Nelson...you can keep bashing this one all you want. It has proven to be a good pick considering the injuries to that position and his contribution to the team.

Look at the 1st rounders in GB before that. Its worse.

2004 - Ahmad Carrol - talk about bust

2003 - Nick Barnett - solid

2002 - Javon Walker - solid til the injury and head case issues

2001 - Jamal Reynolds - ridiculously huge bust

2000 - Bubba Franks - ok pick there was solid for several years, but like Hawk, never lived up to a 1st round status.

1999 - Antuan Eduards - huge bust