posty 2,612 Posted March 23, 2009 So, hall of famer? http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/schilcu01.shtml 216-146, 3.46 ERA, 1.137 WHIP 3 20-win seasons... Post-season: 11-2, 2.23 ERA in 19 games Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Durtee 0 Posted March 23, 2009 So, hall of famer? http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/schilcu01.shtml 216-146, 3.46 ERA, 1.137 WHIP 3 20-win seasons... Post-season: 11-2, 2.23 ERA in 19 games He would get my vote. Dominant post season pitcher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted March 23, 2009 Just based on his regular season stats he doesn't get in. But when you factor in his post season stuff, there can be a strong arguement made. I just don't think he did quite enough to be elected. Maybe later down the line, but not in his first couple years that he is voted on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,612 Posted March 23, 2009 He would get my vote. Dominant post season pitcher. But does a solid post-season make it lock? There are probably other players that have had solid post-seasons, but not really eye-popping regular season numbers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted March 23, 2009 But does a solid post-season make it lock? There are probably other players that have had solid post-seasons, but not really eye-popping regular season numbers... Is Jack Morris in the HOF? If not then I doubt Shilling gets in. Now that I think about it, I would like to see Curt and Jack Morris's stats (both regular and post season) compared. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Durtee 0 Posted March 23, 2009 But does a solid post-season make it lock? There are probably other players that have had solid post-seasons, but not really eye-popping regular season numbers... Well he is by no means a lock to get in, but if I had a vote I would vote him in. His regular season numbers are comparable to some of the others that are in the HOF and add in his dominant post season statistics, 3 world series championships, 1 world series MVP and that makes him HOF worthy IMO. KSB2424 does make a good point about Jack Morris though. Here's their regular season statistics. Curt- 216-146, 3116 K, 3.46 ERA Jack- 254-186 2478 K, 3.90 ERA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,612 Posted March 23, 2009 Jack's post-season... 7-4, 3.80 ERA in 13 games... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted March 23, 2009 Jack's post-season... 7-4, 3.80 ERA in 13 games... I would have thought Jack's record is better than that post-season. Maybe I am thinking of just that one year. That was one of the reasons he popped in my head in comparison as a benchmark. My prediction is that Shilling gets in, but it will take a few years after he is eligible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,788 Posted March 23, 2009 But does a solid post-season make it lock? There are probably other players that have had solid post-seasons, but not really eye-popping regular season numbers... He doesn't even come close to Eric Lemay and Lemay's still not in the HOF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
potts17 4 Posted March 23, 2009 He probably gets in, but I'm not a fan of him, if he shut his piehole and didn't think he had to comment on everyone else's issues all the time, on interviews/blogs/etc., I'd like him better. I still think the bloody sock was a hoax, he spilled red gatorade on it for people to think he was tougher than he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,578 Posted March 23, 2009 Thank you Curt for 2004 and helping to bring the Red Sox their 1st World Series title since 1918. You were an absolute monster for the Red Sox in the playoffs. You're still not a hall of famer, sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted March 23, 2009 Bert Blyleven and Jack Morris aren't in the HOF so Schilling can't get in. Post season counts for squat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GuardBum 80 Posted March 24, 2009 Could go either way. I'd say sure. Guys like Waite Hoyt and Catfish Hunter are in on similar resumes but guys like Morris and Blyleven aren't. It'll have to start being discussed. We have a slew of guys coming up in the next few years in similar status. Glavine, Mussina, Moyer, Kevin Brown, Pettitte. I don't think post season alone can get someone in otherwise David Cone and Orel Hershiser would also have been stronger candidates. I think Mussina gets in. I think John Smoltz is a lock when the time comes. The others, Schilling included will not be first ballot inductees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 815 Posted March 24, 2009 Good riddance to that azzhole. Despite being perhaps the greatest postseason pitcher ever, the HOF he's bound for is the Douchenozzle HOF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,578 Posted March 24, 2009 Good riddance to that azzhole. Despite being perhaps the greatest postseason pitcher ever, the HOF he's bound for is the Douchenozzle HOF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted March 24, 2009 There are a lot of pitchers in Schillings class who are not in the hall. Just to name a few: Luis Tiant David Cone Jack Morris Bert Blyleven. I put him in the Kevin Brown class. Not quite hall of fame class. Not as good as these contemporaries: Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddox, Tom Glavine But he is close and his lightning rod personality may put him in. One thing that nobody ever mentioned is that he did not get good until age 30 and his three dominant years were pitched when he was 34,35 and 37. Hmmmmm. Could Mr. anti-steroids have...? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 815 Posted March 24, 2009 One thing that nobody ever mentioned is that he did not get good until age 30 and his three dominant years were pitched when he was 34,35 and 37. Hmmmmm. Could Mr. anti-steroids have...? cue Edjr in ...5...4...3... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted March 24, 2009 There are a lot of pitchers in Schillings class who are not in the hall. Just to name a few:Luis Tiant David Cone Jack Morris Bert Blyleven. It could be easitly argued that Curt was a more dominant pitcher in his "prime" than all of these guys. There was a bout a 5 year stretch were it was Randy, Curt, and Pedro/Santana and that was it as far as who was the best. Count me in as the "he prolly won't make it" group, but dude was badass for a good portion of his career. And in regards to the steroid thing. Umm, who the fock knows. I think he was injured a lot with the Phillies though in the early 90's...no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted March 24, 2009 Just looking at Schillings numbers something just occurred to me. Schilling often credits a talk with Clemens with helping him wake up and get in shape. Look at 1997. That is the year that Clemens re-emerged with Toronto and all of a sudden found the fountain of youth after the Red Sox had thought his career was on the decline. 1997 - Schilling strikeouts 319 batters at age 30. His previous high was 186. Quite a jump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,578 Posted March 24, 2009 Just looking at Schillings numbers something just occurred to me. Schilling often credits a talk with Clemens with helping him wake up and get in shape. Look at 1997. That is the year that Clemens re-emerged with Toronto and all of a sudden found the fountain of youth after the Red Sox had thought his career was on the decline. 1997 - Schilling strikeouts 319 batters at age 30. His previous high was 186. Quite a jump. Huge flaw in this logic. You need to actually hit the weights for steriods to have any benefit for you, you can't just take them and sit around the house. Clemens became a workout warrior as soon as he signed with Toronto. Schilling has never been much of a workout person, he's just been a lard ass most of his late career. Maybe he "got in shape" and did some running, but I seriously doubt he ever worked out like Bonds/Clemens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BLS 314 Posted March 24, 2009 I heard this on the radio this morning I have no idea if they were being serious or not, but did he paint the blood on his sock during the world series? I had never heard that accusation before and was curious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites