Harvin

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

(KFFL) Judd Zulgad, of The Minneapolis Star Tribune, reports Minnesota Vikings offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell said the team has probably put in 20 or 30 plays just to get the football in the hands of rookie WR Percy Harvin. While some of the plays were already in the playbook, the team has probably put in 10 to 15 new ones just for him. Defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier also spoke highly of Harvin. He is happy Harvin is with the Vikings, as Frazier noted he would not like to come up with a defensive game plan to account for Harvin.

 

Drafted him in my dynasty league and I am really high on him as a long term PPR league prospect. Vikings coaching staff has already seen what he can do and they are going to waste no time getting him the ball!

[XToday 0]

Great... He'll be one of those guys that scores 2 points for 3 weeks straight, has a 20 point game forcing you to start him, and then gives you another 3 weeks of 2 points. Meanwhile, he never learns any single position well enough to actually excel long-term.

 

I'm not sure I like this role. For fantasy football purposes, anyway.

[Vikings4ever 548]

Great... He'll be one of those guys that scores 2 points for 3 weeks straight, has a 20 point game forcing you to start him, and then gives you another 3 weeks of 2 points. Meanwhile, he never learns any single position well enough to actually excel long-term.

 

I'm not sure I like this role. For fantasy football purposes, anyway.

I think he has pretty good potential in a PPR league, but I agree he'll probably end up as a better NFL player than fantasy player.

[The Big Deal 0]

I think he has pretty good potential in a PPR league, but I agree he'll probably end up as a better NFL player than fantasy player.

 

I tend to agree and i actually just drafted him. He fell in my rookie draft so i snagged him but i think his ceiling is somewhat limited.

[Vikings4ever 548]

I tend to agree and i actually just drafted him. He fell in my rookie draft so i snagged him but i think his ceiling is somewhat limited.

I think his ceiling is pretty good. Steve Smith, with a little Reggie Bush mixed in.

 

How I think he'll turn out, on the other hand, is someone who doesn't meet expectations, possibly out and out bust, with the possibility of drug suspensions.

[madd futher mucker 36]

I don't know why you think his ceiling is limited - he's probably one of the 3 most gifted skill players in this year's draft. IMO his ceiling is uber-stud. I've also heard glowing reports about his dedication and work ethic.

 

I'm also not at all worried about his positive marijuana test. On most campuses it is as common as alcohol and not nearly as addictive. But in the NFL he will have to live without chillin' with the bong.

 

He is not built very thick in the lower body so my greatest concern with Harvin is his his potential for frequent injury, particularly his propensity to ankle injury, and possible future knee injuries.

[WhiteWonder 2,716]

Great... He'll be one of those guys that scores 2 points for 3 weeks straight, has a 20 point game forcing you to start him, and then gives you another 3 weeks of 2 points. Meanwhile, he never learns any single position well enough to actually excel long-term.

 

I'm not sure I like this role. For fantasy football purposes, anyway.

 

I think he has pretty good potential in a PPR league, but I agree he'll probably end up as a better NFL player than fantasy player.

[the_risen_demon 0]

Leaving aside the character and medical concerns, I was not overly impressed with Harvin's tape. With the ball in his hands, he's a tremendous athlete. Great burst and agility. But I wasn't seeing Harvin making the tough catches in traffic like he'll need to at the pro level. At Florida he could just run around all over the field and get open, but the athleticism of defensive backs in the NFL is going to make that much more difficult. Worse, I noticed a tendency for him to cradle the ball with his forums rather than catch it cleanly with his hands. He's going to need to go and get the ball in the pros and not wait for it to come to him. I might have liked him more if he'd gone to a team like the Eagles. Their West Coast offense would have maybe gotten him the ball in space and allowed him to make plays easier. As it is, I don't have to worry much about him, as I don't pick until #15 in my dynasty and he will be long gone. But if he were somehow there at #15, I'd look to trade the pick.

[Yippie Skippy 0]

-- Vikings Working the Wildcat Formation --

Sat May 30, 2009 --from FFMastermind.com

 

ESPN's Kevin Seifert reports the Vikings' offense was in a decidedly unfamiliar formation durig mini-camp pratices on Saturday. Rookie WR Percy Harvin was lined up as a shotgun quarterback. QB Sage Rosenfels was split out wide. What? Yep. The Wildcat. This formation was in plain sight Saturday morning. Harvin, RB Chester Taylor and WR Darius Reynaud were all rotating in the quarterback role.

 

 

This would give his fantasy value a boost. Passing yards and pass tds from a WR raises his ceiling IMO.

[throttlers 0]

I took him in 2 rookie drafts. Hopefully he won;t go and get himself suspended now.

[NewbieJr 541]

Beware of players with low character.

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

I'm not sure I like this role. For fantasy football purposes, anyway.

 

Huh? What role? How do you know what type of role he'll be playing when we haven't even seen a preseason game? All this post states is the Vikings are working hard to get Harvin the ball.....how is that a bad thing for fantasy?

[XToday 0]

Huh? What role? How do you know what type of role he'll be playing when we haven't even seen a preseason game? All this post states is the Vikings are working hard to get Harvin the ball.....how is that a bad thing for fantasy?

 

"role"= Non-pure WR

 

The do-everything guy rarely puts up consistent fantasy football points. In other words, he'll be fun to watch on TV, but frustrating as hell in your lineup as a weekly hit-or-miss candidate.

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

"role"= Non-pure WR

 

The do-everything guy rarely puts up consistent fantasy football points. In other words, he'll be fun to watch on TV, but frustrating as hell in your lineup as a weekly hit-or-miss candidate.

 

I know what you are saying and I am not knocking your opinion in anyway, but I think I have to disagree with you here. Harvin does have all the tools to be a great WR in the NFL and the wildcat/backfield formations only add to his value. Yes, he'll have those games where he puts up 30 points and then the next week he puts up 6 points.....what WR doesn't? Most of them do, unless they are named Larry, Andre, or Calvin. Even they have their weeks of putting up only 6 points. Harvin will get screen passes and dump offs out of the backfield, which will make him a very potent PPR WR. 5-6 catches per week will at the very least have him averaging 12 fantasy points. I'll take it. The Vikings will try to get him 12-15 touches per game, so 5-6 catches per week is not out of the question.

[IAMWood 6]

"role"= Non-pure WR

 

The do-everything guy rarely puts up consistent fantasy football points. In other words, he'll be fun to watch on TV, but frustrating as hell in your lineup as a weekly hit-or-miss candidate.

 

My concern as well.

 

[Admiral Awesome 0]

You guys will hate me for this, but I don't think Harvin is that impressive. I have seen his highlight reel and he's the guy that gets ten to twelve yards every reception off of slants. He doesn't make big plays but he is consistent. I guess that is great and all but I don't think he will establish himself as a top WR.

[We Tigers 71]

Percy Harvin doesn't make big plays? Three years of watching him regularly annihilate college defenses for 60 yards on a counter play leads me to believe otherwise.

 

Next level and all that, blah blah blah, but Harvin can be a special player and will be a really interesting fantasy case if he's used at all like he was in college. He had just as many pure carries out of the backfield as he did receptions.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I think his ceiling is pretty good. Steve Smith, with a little Reggie Bush mixed in.

 

How I think he'll turn out, on the other hand, is someone who doesn't meet expectations, possibly out and out bust, with the possibility of drug suspensions.

 

Only Steve Smith is 100x the WR that Harvin has shown even in college.

I think he has a lot of talent...but its raw as far as where to really peg him.

Could he be more of a slot WR version of Bush (as I do see him more as a WR than RB...whereas Bush is more RB than WR).

 

But I don't see him anywhere near that comparison of Steve Smith there.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I'm also not at all worried about his positive marijuana test. On most campuses it is as common as alcohol and not nearly as addictive. But in the NFL he will have to live without chillin' with the bong.

 

 

Sure...but do you still fail one knowing they will test you at the combine?

[Sho Nuff 720]

-- Vikings Working the Wildcat Formation --

Sat May 30, 2009 --from FFMastermind.com

 

ESPN's Kevin Seifert reports the Vikings' offense was in a decidedly unfamiliar formation durig mini-camp pratices on Saturday. Rookie WR Percy Harvin was lined up as a shotgun quarterback. QB Sage Rosenfels was split out wide. What? Yep. The Wildcat. This formation was in plain sight Saturday morning. Harvin, RB Chester Taylor and WR Darius Reynaud were all rotating in the quarterback role.

This would give his fantasy value a boost. Passing yards and pass tds from a WR raises his ceiling IMO.

 

Why would a formation where it worked out very good for one game...but not so well the rest of the time and when other teams tried it....and now everyone has a year's worth of tape and the offseason to work on defending nit even better....why does that give him a boost?

[stonewall 647]

Kinda resembles "the next coming" Ted Ginn JR talk a couple of years ago, eh?

 

[Admiral Awesome 0]

Sure...but do you still fail one knowing they will test you at the combine?

 

Harvin also had cocaine in his system too.

[Yippie Skippy 0]

Why would a formation where it worked out very good for one game...but not so well the rest of the time and when other teams tried it....and now everyone has a year's worth of tape and the offseason to work on defending nit even better....why does that give him a boost?

 

When you can add pass yards/pass tds and more rush yards/rush tds that is a boost to the stat line.

 

I guess that we disagree on the Wildcat formation. If it did not work then why would more teams be learning it with plans to implement it ??

 

It forces defenses to prepare for it. Even if you don't use it every week, every team you play will spend time preparing to defend it when you play them instead of focusing on the real gameplan and strengths of their opponent.

 

It creates mismatches, and puts the ball into the hands of the team's best athletic playmakers.

 

Last season we saw the formation in its NFL's infancy. I think that it will evolve and become more complex, keeping defenses on their heels.

[the_risen_demon 0]

Harvin also had cocaine in his system too.

 

What's your source on this? While the NFL does not publicly release the results of Combine drug testing, Fox Sports reported that Harvin had tested positive for marijuana, but I've not found a source that claimed he tested positive for cocaine also.

[NewbieJr 541]

If Harvin was stupid enough to have marijuana in his system before the biggest testing in his life, it's scary to think what he's doing when he doesn't have a known test coming.

[throttlers 0]

The do-everything guy rarely puts up consistent fantasy football points. In other words, he'll be fun to watch on TV, but frustrating as hell in your lineup as a weekly hit-or-miss candidate.

 

Maybe in some leagues, but that depends largely on your scoring system. I have a couple of leagues where all purpose yards score big. The guys that don't do well fantasy wise are generally the guys that don't get the ball that much or don't produce when they do (which generally results in them not getting the ball much any more). When you have an explosive guy and you are finding multiple ways to get the ball in his hands, I don't see it as a bad thing. In fantasy you want your guy touching the ball as much as possible. Harvin has been compared to Steve Smith, but I think a more accurate comparison is Devin Hester. Hester and Harvin are very similar in size, measurables and explosiveness. I do think the off-field issues and his durability are more of a concern than his role on the team.

 

I think the perception of a do everything player not performing well fantasy wise is partly a misconception and partly, as I said, depends on your scoring. There aren't a lot of stud fantasy WRs who could be classified as a do everything guys. This is partly because your big tall stud WRs are generally better suited to go out and catch a pass than they are to be involved in running the ball or returning kicks, etc. The wildcat has only recently become popular and you may see more and more teams use players in unconventional ways. Especially teams like the Vikes who don't have the best talent at QB.

 

I am curious as to what players you are referring to when you say that the do-everything guy rarely puts up consistent fantasy points. Can you give some examples?

[listen2me 23 1,843]

I'm not a Harvin guy at all. I think he could be a solid weapon in reality, but will be a headache and limited in fantasy.

 

Doesn't help that he will have crap for a QB his 1st 2 or 3 years at least, unless they trade for one...

 

To me he doesn't seem like a long term stud WR. He is a poor version of Reggie Bush. I say this in fantasy terms. Bush is a RB who catches a million 5 yard balls. Big whoop, but it makes him valuable in PPR leagues. Harvin may catch a bunch of short passes as well, but he is a WR and it won't be that big of a deal.

 

Since when do Fla. WRs turn out? He just doesn't bring the kind of game that translates into a legit WR in the NFL. He has the speed, but in teh NFL that really doesn't matter at all.

 

Throw in a some character issues and I'm not going out of my way to try and get him on my team.

[Sho Nuff 720]

When you can add pass yards/pass tds and more rush yards/rush tds that is a boost to the stat line.

 

I guess that we disagree on the Wildcat formation. If it did not work then why would more teams be learning it with plans to implement it ??

 

It forces defenses to prepare for it. Even if you don't use it every week, every team you play will spend time preparing to defend it when you play them instead of focusing on the real gameplan and strengths of their opponent.

 

It creates mismatches, and puts the ball into the hands of the team's best athletic playmakers.

 

Last season we saw the formation in its NFL's infancy. I think that it will evolve and become more complex, keeping defenses on their heels.

 

You think he is going to pass all that much for it to matter?

You think he is that good of a passer in the first place? And who else is he going to throw to on that team?

 

We do disagree on it...teams tried it after Miami's success and it was not working all that well. Now teams have had a years worth of tape...and even better get a heads up from Minny this early that they will try running it. I don't think the prep time for it will be as long as you think. Do you think GB or Chicago or anyone of Minny's opponents is going to spend that much time on the WC formation and that less on Peterson? I don't.

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

Since when do Fla. WRs turn out? He just doesn't bring the kind of game that translates into a legit WR in the NFL. He has the speed, but in teh NFL that really doesn't matter at all.

 

This is the stupidest statement I have every heard. Since when to Chattanooga WR's work out? Since when do Hofstra WR's work out?

 

You can't put weight into what college a player goes too. So stupid!

[listen2me 23 1,843]

This is the stupidest statement I have every heard. Since when to Chattanooga WR's work out? Since when do Hofstra WR's work out?

 

You can't put weight into what college a player goes too. So stupid!

 

All my weight wasn't into that. So settle down. It was a question and just an added factor even if it isn't that big of a factor.

 

Also what does Hofstra have to do with WRs coming from a big program where they run gadget plays?

 

If my whole reasoning was because of the school he went to it would be stupid. But it was just a question. I know as a Vikings fan you want Harvin to do well, it is just my opinion.

[Phurfur 70]

This is the stupidest statement I have every heard. Since when to Chattanooga WR's work out? Since when do Hofstra WR's work out?

 

You can't put weight into what college a player goes too. So stupid!

 

What percentage of WRs drafted from Chattanooga or Hofstra work out?

 

Now what percentage of WRs drafted from Florida work out? HTH

[the_risen_demon 0]

I am curious as to what players you are referring to when you say that the do-everything guy rarely puts up consistent fantasy points. Can you give some examples?

 

Reggie Bush comes to mind. He's a PPR monster, but in non-PPR leagues he's never been worth his draft position. Devin Hester, as you mentioned. He's had good games, but there have been enough duds mixed in that you'd not want to rely on him as even a WR3. Obviously gaining points for return yardage changes the equation, but hopefully you'll concede those are the exception and not the rule. Kevin Faulk is a guy who's had a successful NFL career running, catching and returning the ball, but FF teams who are contending for a championship likely have no use for him.

 

Leagues with unusually scoring systems notwithstanding, guys like these will score points in a variety of ways, but never seem to have the kind of season that would help a good team get over the hump and win a fantasy football championship. They tend to produce enough points to help out a desperate owner, but no one wants to be that guy.

 

The exception that proves the rule (and I think for once that expression is being used correctly) might be Wes Welker. He caught the ball, returned kickoffs and fielded punts. But he only became fantasy relevant when his coaches removed the special teams role and he became a pure wide out.

[Sgt_Russia 0]

I know what you are saying and I am not knocking your opinion in anyway, but I think I have to disagree with you here. Harvin does have all the tools to be a great WR in the NFL and the wildcat/backfield formations only add to his value. Yes, he'll have those games where he puts up 30 points and then the next week he puts up 6 points.....what WR doesn't? Most of them do, unless they are named Larry, Andre, or Calvin. Even they have their weeks of putting up only 6 points. Harvin will get screen passes and dump offs out of the backfield, which will make him a very potent PPR WR. 5-6 catches per week will at the very least have him averaging 12 fantasy points. I'll take it. The Vikings will try to get him 12-15 touches per game, so 5-6 catches per week is not out of the question.

 

Slow down!

 

5-6 catches a week is an 80-100 reception season, which would put him near the top of the league.

 

Not only has he never stepped onto an NFL field, he hasn't shown in college that he has the skill set to be a top-flight WR right out of the gate. He's not a great route-runner and doesn't appear to have anything other than ordinary hands. Yeah, he's fast and a great athlete.

 

He may have an impact on the field, but he will be a non-factor in fantasy this year.

[Four More Beers 0]

Slow down!

 

5-6 catches a week is an 80-100 reception season, which would put him near the top of the league.

 

Not only has he never stepped onto an NFL field, he hasn't shown in college that he has the skill set to be a top-flight WR right out of the gate. He's not a great route-runner and doesn't appear to have anything other than ordinary hands. Yeah, he's fast and a great athlete.

 

He may have an impact on the field, but he will be a non-factor in fantasy this year.

 

Harvin has fantastic hands. The route running is an open question, but saying he has ordinary hands is just completely wrong.

[the_risen_demon 0]

Harvin has fantastic hands. The route running is an open question, but saying he has ordinary hands is just completely wrong.

 

They've looked pretty ordinary to me. He's not a natural hands catcher. Too many passes get into his pads.

[jgcrawfish 232]

They've looked pretty ordinary to me. He's not a natural hands catcher. Too many passes get into his pads.

 

i have to agree with you on this. i watched highlights on him, when I compared him to Robiskie (who I thought had phenomenal hands) he looked like my son catching passes, everything in on his chest and arms, trapping the ball.

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

Harvin is making big time plays already in minicamp! This guys is going to be sweet! Source, Rotoworld.

 

Percy Harvin was reportedly "the story of the weekend" at Vikings minicamp.

 

As beat writer Chip Scoggins put it: "It doesn't take a football genius to see that he is a special talent." Scoggins added that Harvin "definitely created a buzz amongst players, team personnel and media members with his versatility and playmaking."

 

cbssportsline fantasy take. I trust their opinion and use them almost exclusively.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1114598

[madd futher mucker 36]

See my comments under: Hakeem Nicks....convince me

[justfsu 0]

Percy Kool Aid! OH YEAH!

[the_risen_demon 0]

cbssportsline fantasy take. I trust their opinion and use them almost exclusively.

 

Then what do you need our opinions for?