Michael Jackson's death versus others in recent history

[NewbieJr 541]

Newbie is fishing, isn't he?

I don't post here enough to know any more.

 

DOH!

Do you seriously think that, without Lennon, Richards, Jagger, Townsend, Ray Davies, and the others would not have hit big?

 

It's not like they decided to form bands after they heard "Love Me Do". They were all playing in England already.

 

Lennon wrote great songs. I'm not bashing him. Imagine is one of the best songs ever written. He was talented. It's just that a lot of people are putting their dislike for dance music and wierdos ahead of logical thinking about all-around talent.

[remote controller 143]

he didn't steal, he bought the rights to those songs for $47 million.

The way it happened and the relationship involved, proved the kind of person Jacko really was. Call it shrewd??? Fine. The fact that he tried to pass himself off as this innocent sweet person is the biggest sham he pulled over on everyone. Dude was a heartless freak, whose life revolved around himself and only himself. Look at his spending habits till the very end, when he really had nothing. He still incurred dept that will forever dog his family. He was not one thing for sure, and that was a good person.

[remote controller 143]

Do you seriously think that, without Lennon, Richards, Jagger, Townsend, Ray Davies, and the others would not have hit big?

 

It's not like they decided to form bands after they heard "Love Me Do". They were all playing in England already.

 

Lennon wrote great songs. I'm not bashing him. Imagine is one of the best songs ever written. He was talented. It's just that a lot of people are putting their dislike for dance music and wierdos ahead of logical thinking about all-around talent.

Paul gave Mick the Stones first hit in America, because they were having no luck busting thru. Even the Stones knew who the true geniouses were.

[remote controller 143]

It's just that a lot of people are putting their dislike for dance music and wierdos ahead of logical thinking about all-around talent.

...atleast we agree he was a freak! He went from being a possible good role model, to being what is wrong with Hollywood. They think they are normal and good, and everyone just brushes off what is wrong with them, as creativity. We become wrong for pointing out the truth.

[NewbieJr 541]

Paul gave Mick the Stones first hit in America, because they were having no luck busting thru. Even the Stones knew who the true geniouses were.

Ok.

[NewbieJr 541]

...atleast we agree he was a freak! He went from being a possible good role model, to being what is wrong with Hollywood. They think they are normal and good, and everyone just brushes off what is wrong with them, as creativity. We become wrong for pointing out the truth.

Well that's a different topic altogether, and if you makes you feel better, I agree with you. I couldn't even look at the wierdo for the last ten years.

[remote controller 143]

Well that's a different topic altogether, and if you makes you feel better, I agree with you. I couldn't even look at the wierdo for the last ten years.

I agree with this. Jacko was an entertainer that went BAD!

[remote controller 143]

Ok.

------Sidebar----- Another artist involved with this massive group of talent out of Liverpool was Frampton. They all were in awe of his guitar ability. He was the one they all thought was going to be big first!

[ArnieBragg 2]

What is the problem with Michael Jackson?

 

[jets24 6]

Well, let's just review the play lists of every single modern rock station across this planet. Oh, I see Nirvana and other grunge bands like Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, etc in heavy rotation. Twenty years after the songs got initial air play. Heavy rotation. Grunge drives modern rock.

 

Just the other day, I heard Poison on the radio. Oh, I guess I didn't. Then maybe it was Michael Jackson...oh, I haven't heard about him in 20 years or any of his songs. John Lennon...nope. Elvis...nope. Jeez, who WERE these people, and what exactly makes them famous?

 

Ummm.....you couldn't be more wrong. Beatles are on the radio much more than any grunge sh!t. Did you just say that grunge drives modern rock?

 

Stick to your Lost reviews.

 

Dead man walking everybody!

[peenie 1,949]

The way it happened and the relationship involved, proved the kind of person Jacko really was. Call it shrewd??? Fine. The fact that he tried to pass himself off as this innocent sweet person is the biggest sham he pulled over on everyone. Dude was a heartless freak, whose life revolved around himself and only himself. Look at his spending habits till the very end, when he really had nothing. He still incurred dept that will forever dog his family. He was not one thing for sure, and that was a good person.

he was a smart business man. you don't know his spending habits. when he was on that interview shopping in vegas pointing to things he wanted to buy, it was all for show. he bought nothing. of course he wasn't innocent or else he would've been swallowed up and spit out by the entertainment world years ago.

read and learn; go out of the darkness into the light.

[remote controller 143]

he was a smart business man. you don't know his spending habits. when he was on that interview shopping in vegas pointing to things he wanted to buy, it was all for show. he bought nothing. of course he wasn't innocent or else he would've been swallowed up and spit out by the entertainment world years ago.

read and learn; go out of the darkness into the light.

every smart business man routinely goes in to debt 1/2 a Billions dollars. He was, and now for sure is insolvent! Great Business mind!

[Lionsjunkie 1]

You are clueless regarding pop culture.

 

Didn't know Newbs was the King of Pop Knowledge

 

It's an opinion, and wacko fuckin jacko hasn't been relevant in about 20 years...the only reason we have heard about this guy since the 80's is because of his fascination with kiddies and dismantling his face.....fucken freak. Great talent but a ######en irrelevant freak for 20 years now

[Lionsjunkie 1]

michael jackson was popular in the 70's, 80's and 90's and 00's.

 

in the 70's as part of a band, though he was the lead figure of the band it was still a band

 

80'2, no doubt, 90's...how bout the first few years of the 90's, I'll give you that.

 

Since 94-95 he has been anything but relevant, he ruined and tarnished his own image on a daily basis with his obsession with little boys and trying to look like a monster.

 

HTH

[jets24 6]

Didn't know Newbs was the King of Pop Knowledge

 

It's an opinion, and wacko fuckin jacko hasn't been relevant in about 20 years...the only reason we have heard about this guy since the 80's is because of his fascination with kiddies and dismantling his face.....fucken freak. Great talent but a ######en irrelevant freak for 20 years now

 

Ignorance. He has the greatest selling album of all time, worldwide. Of course he was relevant. His music was everywhere. Elvis and Lennon weren't at the top of their games when they died either. Not sure you would find any Cobain music at worldwide top 10, etc.

 

Michael Jackson was an icon and musical genius. End of discussion.

[Lionsjunkie 1]

Newbie, I respect your opinions on all that is music.

 

Are you fucken kidding me... I honestly think Newbs has the worst musical taste in the history of evahhhh !!!!

 

I mean Abba, Rick Springfield, Timberlake and now this kind of weird closet like obsession with Wacko WTF Newbs, that is a horrible collection of music to be associated with.

 

Something deep down tells me that there is lots we don't know about the guy they call Newbie

[shovelheadt 71]

Give me a list of all of the musical genres and recording techniques Michael invented, and all of the song lyrics he wrote that are regarded as all-time greats, then we can compare them musically.

 

he perfected the moonwalk...WINNAH!

[Lionsjunkie 1]

Didn't know Newbs was the King of Pop Knowledge

 

It's an opinion, and wacko fuckin jacko hasn't been relevant in about 20 years...the only reason we have heard about this guy since the 80's is because of his fascination with kiddies and dismantling his face.....fucken freak. Great talent but a ######en irrelevant freak for 20 years now

 

Ignorance. He has the greatest selling album of all time, worldwide. Of course he was relevant. His music was everywhere. Elvis and Lennon weren't at the top of their games when they died either. Not sure you would find any Cobain music at worldwide top 10, etc.

 

Michael Jackson was an icon and musical genius. End of discussion.

 

What's ignorant That's fine he has the greatest selling album of all time, and no doubt he may be the best performer we have ever seen and may ever see....but he has not been relevant in a long, long time....wait a second, you got me, he's been relevant for all the WRONG things in the last 15 years or so. My post didn't mention Elvis, Cobain or Lennon either.

 

HTH

[shovelheadt 71]

Musically, they weren't in the same universe................and who give s crap about him grabbing his crotch and wearing goofy cloth? I'm glad the dance world had thier role model. Lennon literally changed the world with his music.

 

We Are the World

[peenie 1,949]

Since 94-95 he has been anything but relevant, he ruined and tarnished his own image on a daily basis with his obsession with little boys and trying to look like a monster.

 

HTH

saying michael wasn't important because he was part of the jackson 5 is ridiculous. it's like saying john lenon wasn't important because he was part of the beatles. unlike john lenon, michael was the lead singer of his group.

 

i obviously don't care about your opinion. the invincible cd which came out in 2001 went double platinum and sold over 10 million. once again, one of my favorite mj's songs came out on the cd.

 

i've stated on another message board that michael jackson died for me years ago. to be honest, i thought he was lost when he came out with thriller. i grew up listening to him and i knew what he looked like. he had already gone through some plastic surgery with the off the wall album so to see him on the thriller cover made me question why he was altering his features so much. i was kind of disgusted by it. then year after year it was something different. then the allegations....i was turned off by his personal life. still, i appreciate what he gave to music and entertainment.

[remote controller 143]

We Are the World

Co-written by Lionel Richie, and produced and conducted by Quincy Jones. This was the one of the last relevant things he ever did though.

[lambert58 73]

------Sidebar----- Another artist involved with this massive group of talent out of Liverpool was Frampton. They all were in awe of his guitar ability. He was the one they all thought was going to be big first!

 

 

Uh, no.

 

1. Frampton is not from Liverpool.

 

2. Frampton was born in 1950. His big breakthrough happened in 66-68 when he was 16 (the herd) and 18 (humble pie). This was long after the initial wave of bands had already hit. (The Beatles, Gerry and the Pacemakers, Cliff Richards, The Stones, etc had all made a huge international impact before Frampton was old enough to drive)

 

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Frampton

[peenie 1,949]

Co-written by Lionel Richie, and produced and conducted by Quincy Jones. This was the one of the last relevant things he ever did though.

wrong:

* 1987: "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" (with Siedah Garrett) #1

* 1987: "Bad" #1

* 1988: "The Way You Make Me Feel" #1

* 1988: "Man In The Mirror" #1

* 1988: "Dirty Diana" #1

* 1989: "Smooth Criminal" #7

* 1991: "Black or White" #1

* 1992: "Remember The Time" #3

* 1992: "In The Closet" #6

* 1993: "Will You Be There" #7

* 1995: "Scream"(with Janet Jackson) #5

* 1995: "You Are Not Alone" #1

* 2001: "You Rock My World" #10

[shovelheadt 71]

wrong:

* 1987: "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" (with Siedah Garrett) #1

* 1987: "Bad" #1

* 1988: "The Way You Make Me Feel" #1

* 1988: "Man In The Mirror" #1

* 1988: "Dirty Diana" #1

* 1989: "Smooth Criminal" #7

* 1991: "Black or White" #1

* 1992: "Remember The Time" #3

* 1992: "In The Closet" #6

* 1993: "Will You Be There" #7

* 1995: "Scream"(with Janet Jackson) #5

* 1995: "You Are Not Alone" #1

* 2001: "You Rock My World" #10

 

You're preaching to the choir. Nobody is as polarizing as MJ. A lot of people are going to completely ignore/discount the fact that he was the king..off and on. Even my redneck step dad can see it. He was right in the middle of a tirade, filled with 'freak, child molester, glad he's dead, etc.' when CNN started showing a clip from one of his live performances. My step dad stops mid sentence and says "he was a bad mother focker tho".

 

And why has nobody mentioned the fact that Lennon was a focking nutcase as well? And after exhaustive research, I'm still trying to find out where he influenced jack sh*t outside of the Beatles.

[NewbieJr 541]

You're preaching to the choir. Nobody is as polarizing as MJ. A lot of people are going to completely ignore/discount the fact that he was the king..off and on. Even my redneck step dad can see it. He was right in the middle of a tirade, filled with 'freak, child molester, glad he's dead, etc.' when CNN started showing a clip from one of his live performances. My step dad stops mid sentence and says "he was a bad mother focker tho".

 

And why has nobody mentioned the fact that Lennon was a focking nutcase as well? And after exhaustive research, I'm still trying to find out where he influenced jack sh*t outside of the Beatles.

This guy gets it.

[tikigods 76]

Last one I remember that was this big was Princess Diana.

[jets24 6]

------Sidebar----- Another artist involved with this massive group of talent out of Liverpool was Frampton. They all were in awe of his guitar ability. He was the one they all thought was going to be big first!

 

WTF are you talking about? Frampton wasn't even from Liverpool. FALE

[remote controller 143]

WTF are you talking about? Frampton wasn't even from Liverpool. FALE

yep....I should have checked that one out better.

[Lionsjunkie 1]

Think I stated in like the 4th post of this thread that this death is only rivaled by Diana IMO.

 

Michael was, is and always will be the King of Pop. (that's for you Newbs ) For real, nobody will ever come close to replicating him, definetly was one of a kind.

 

BUT....I can't say that I agree he was relevant since about mid 90's....if not for this upcoming tour we wouldn't be hearing about him whatsoever....except of course if he was "sleeping" with boys again

 

Peenie

[phillybear 366]

Ummm.....you couldn't be more wrong. Beatles are on the radio much more than any grunge sh!t. Did you just say that grunge drives modern rock?

 

If you hadn't noticed, oldies radio is losing traction in today's marketplace. Fans of the Beatles are dying from old age, and there is no young demo listening to their music with any kind of number. Sure, classic rock stations still exist, playing their typical dinosaur rock, but they keep the Beatles off the main rotation lists, possibly saving some Beatles' songs for a Sunday morning Beatles hour or some thing like that.

 

Grunge is a corner stone mainstay of any modern rock station. That is undesputable. Yes, grunge songs get many more spins than stuff like the Beatles. You have to pay attention to demos. The Beatle fans are above the advertiser's preferred audience, while the modern rock fans, more specifically the grunge fans, are exactly what audience the commercials are geared towards because they have much more disposable income.

 

You really don't understand much about radio, do you?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Are you fucken kidding me... I honestly think Newbs has the worst musical taste in the history of evahhhh !!!!

 

I mean Abba, Rick Springfield, Timberlake and now this kind of weird closet like obsession with Wacko WTF Newbs, that is a horrible collection of music to be associated with.

 

Something deep down tells me that there is lots we don't know about the guy they call Newbie

 

Don't forget his love for Kelly Clarkson.

 

And why has nobody mentioned the fact that Lennon was a focking nutcase as well? And after exhaustive research, I'm still trying to find out where he influenced jack sh*t outside of the Beatles.

 

There is a pretty wide gulf between nutcase (Lennon) and surgery addict kiddie diddler (Jackson). And are you really going to sit here and say that Lennon didn't influence music? That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read. Hell, he and a handful of others invented popular music as we know it.

[phillybear 366]

Hell, he and a handful of others invented popular music as we know it.

 

Nobody likes popular music.

[jets24 6]

If you hadn't noticed, oldies radio is losing traction in today's marketplace. Fans of the Beatles are dying from old age, and there is no young demo listening to their music with any kind of number. Sure, classic rock stations still exist, playing their typical dinosaur rock, but they keep the Beatles off the main rotation lists, possibly saving some Beatles' songs for a Sunday morning Beatles hour or some thing like that.

 

Grunge is a corner stone mainstay of any modern rock station. That is undesputable. Yes, grunge songs get many more spins than stuff like the Beatles. You have to pay attention to demos. The Beatle fans are above the advertiser's preferred audience, while the modern rock fans, more specifically the grunge fans, are exactly what audience the commercials are geared towards because they have much more disposable income.

 

You really don't understand much about radio, do you?

 

You do know that FM now plays music, right?

 

You are DEAD wrong.

[phillybear 366]

You do know that FM now plays music, right?

 

You are DEAD wrong.

 

You better go pop in your cassette tape if you want to hear the Beattles. Your vinyl is probably too scratched up.

 

AM, FM, HD, Satellite, Internet streaming, etc. Nothing is playing the Beatles. Maybe the local supermarket, if the manager is 70.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

You better go pop in your cassette tape if you want to hear the Beattles. Your vinyl is probably too scratched up.

 

AM, FM, HD, Satellite, Internet streaming, etc. Nothing is playing the Beatles. Maybe the local supermarket, if the manager is 70.

 

Wrong. I hear the Beatles all the time on FM, and Satellite. Hell, Zeppelin has its own channel on Satellite. Then those FM "Classic Rock Stations"? They mean the Beatles, not Pearl Jam.

[phillybear 366]

Wrong. I hear the Beatles all the time on FM, and Satellite. Hell, Zeppelin has its own channel on Satellite. Then those FM "Classic Rock Stations"? They mean the Beatles, not Pearl Jam.

 

I may have overspoke about satellite. They have niche audiences. They have a spa music channel for fock's sake.

 

Classic rock stations will not play the Beatles. The oldies and doo wop stations do. Not classic rock.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I may have overspoke about satellite. They have niche audiences. They have a spa music channel for fock's sake.

 

Classic rock stations will not play the Beatles. The oldies and doo wop stations do. Not classic rock.

 

You are wrong. The classic rock stations play the Beatles all the time, particularly the more "rock" songs, like "Come Together" "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" "I Am The Walrus" etc.

 

At least the ones here do. Maybe that's why they call it Music City USA.

[phillybear 366]

You are wrong. The classic rock stations play the Beatles all the time, particularly the more "rock" songs, like "Come Together" "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" "I Am The Walrus" etc.

 

At least the ones here do. Maybe that's why they call it Music City USA.

 

That station is bizarre. I'm totally mortified.

[Frank M 181]

>>>>>Wow. You may be the most out-of-touch person I know from a pop culture standpoint. <<<<<

 

Well I've read some of your posts concerning 80s music and Rick Springfield in particular and I'd say one of us is the most out of touch person concerning pop culture.

>>>>>Jackson was as big, globally, as teh entire group of Beatles.<<<<<

 

Okay, conversation over. You just lost all credibility. ALL!

And you know what else. Take away the whaco Jacko surgeries and pedophilia and marrying women w/o having sex with them and living with monkeys. Just on musical ability alone, Alive or dead - Hank Williams, Jr. and Willie Nelson go past Jacko.

And prolly many more given time to think about it.

 

OBVIOUSLY CLAPTON. I'd rate him above any musician.

 

It's not about musical ability, it's about fame. He was more famous globally than maybe anybody outside of politics during his adult life.

[listen2me 23 1,951]

No insinuation needed. He was lightyears more tlented then Jacko! They are not even close.

 

For once I agree with Newbie. Who knows who was more "talented", but to say MJ isn't close is quite dumb. How do you sell that many records, have the most talked about music video/best music video (Thriller), known all over the world (I am sure everyone here has heard or seen of the 1500 prisoners in the philippes doing a choreographed version of thriller. This and be light years behind anyone? Makes no sense.