5 RB's I am flat skeered to draft ( convicne me otherwise )

[The Moz 72]

Convince me these guys should be drafted at their current AFP

 

Marion Barber III - Currently going mid to later 2nd round. Has Felix Jones who might actually start or at least get a ton of time and another Back T. Choice that looked maybe better than barber in a few games. Right now I can in no way justify Barber as a middle round 2 pick -- convince me otherwise.

 

Joseph Addai - in 07 Dude was a beast when he played and a nice PPR get as well. Last year he flat out sucked. Total waste of a roster spot most days.. Nick named Tap Tap from Warren Sapp was accurate as he pulled himself out a lot.. But He DID do great in 07 and when healthy he does excel in a great offense. They did draft Donald that early for nothing. I have to think Donald Brown gets the shorties and is at least worked in on the rest with Addai getting a lot of 3rd down stuff. hardly able to IMO justify a early - late 4th rounder. convince me otherwise

 

Thomas Jones - Did GREAT in every aspect last season! BUT there's a guy named Leon Washington that does great whenever he touches it and is great in the passing game. Oh theres a guy Shonn Green that Jets gave up most of draft to get - he will play! Right now I think Washington gets even more time running and continues his 3rd D role -- while I expect Jones and Greene to split the shorties with maybe Green getting most of them later on. IMO I would touch him at his current ADP -- late 3rd to middle 4th.. convince me otherwise

 

Larry Johnson - Maybe he still has talent but many games last year when he did play he was running in sand. Some games he blew up an was great ( 2 games to be exact ). he is 30 and his managment office makes no secret he is not there favorite guy. Add on Jamal Charles who actually looked really good last season. Right now he is going early to late 4th. I couldn't tuch him until minimum middle 5th - convince me otherwise.

 

DeAngleo Williams - Was awesome last season had a GREAT year. Thing is the rookie wasn't terrible either and their schedule was a focking cake walk. This year Stewart will get more carries and rumor is he is a solid reciever if given a chance as well. Add on a TOUGH schedule and I just can't in no way see D. Williams being worth the mid late first rounder. I actually don't think his ending stats will be close to be worthy. convince me otherwise.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

Convince me these guys should be drafted at their current AFP

 

Marion Barber III - Currently going mid to later 2nd round. Has Felix Jones who might actually start or at least get a ton of time and another Back T. Choice that looked maybe better than barber in a few games. Right now I can in no way justify Barber as a middle round 2 pick -- convince me otherwise.

 

Felix Jones will certainly get his share of carries, but don't for a second think that Barber is going to disappear. The Cowboys (from all accounts) plan on running the ball more this season and should keep games close with a decent defense and firepower on offense. Barber is a goal line beast and has consistently put up nice receving totals. Choice is a backup plain and simple. He looked good down the stretch because he had fresh legs when the defenses were worn down. This remineds me of when everyone though that Bradshaw would take over in 2008 after he carried the Giants in their playoff run - after Ward broke his leg. (me included ). Guess what in 2008 he was back to third on the depth chart, so will Choice. Barber put up numbers when he was splitting with Julius Jones and he can do it with Felix Jones - who is a little overhyped based on limited carries which inlcuded a loooong one.

 

Joseph Addai - in 07 Dude was a beast when he played and a nice PPR get as well. Last year he flat out sucked. Total waste of a roster spot most days.. Nick named Tap Tap from Warren Sapp was accurate as he pulled himself out a lot.. But He DID do great in 07 and when healthy he does excel in a great offense. They did draft Donald that early for nothing. I have to think Donald Brown gets the shorties and is at least worked in on the rest with Addai getting a lot of 3rd down stuff. hardly able to IMO justify a early - late 4th rounder. convince me otherwise

 

I agree here.

 

Thomas Jones - Did GREAT in every aspect last season! BUT there's a guy named Leon Washington that does great whenever he touches it and is great in the passing game. Oh theres a guy Shonn Green that Jets gave up most of draft to get - he will play! Right now I think Washington gets even more time running and continues his 3rd D role -- while I expect Jones and Greene to split the shorties with maybe Green getting most of them later on. IMO I would touch him at his current ADP -- late 3rd to middle 4th.. convince me otherwise

 

I agree a little but I wouldn't downgrade Jones too much. He is coming off a stellar season naturally his numbers will go down. However, the Jets will run, run and run some more. Greene was a third round pick who cannot catch or pass block - his playing time will be limited, especially if Sanchez is the starter. Washington will be in the mix, but Jones style fits Ryan's model for smashmouth football. There's enough carries to go around. A 1,200 8 TD season on the ground is more than obtainable (plus he can contibute in the passing game).

 

Larry Johnson - Maybe he still has talent but many games last year when he did play he was running in sand. Some games he blew up an was great ( 2 games to be exact ). he is 30 and his managment office makes no secret he is not there favorite guy. Add on Jamal Charles who actually looked really good last season. Right now he is going early to late 4th. I couldn't tuch him until minimum middle 5th - convince me otherwise.

 

I'm a little torn on LJ right now, but do think he may surprise a little as he seems motivated.

 

DeAngleo Williams - Was awesome last season had a GREAT year. Thing is the rookie wasn't terrible either and their schedule was a focking cake walk. This year Stewart will get more carries and rumor is he is a solid reciever if given a chance as well. Add on a TOUGH schedule and I just can't in no way see D. Williams being worth the mid late first rounder. I actually don't think his ending stats will be close to be worthy. convince me otherwise.

 

People seem to forget that Williams was also a first round pick who averaged over 5 yards a carry his first two seasons and was clearly better than DeSahun Foster (coach Fox is just stubbornly loyal to his vets). Williams didn't just have a great season in 2008, he put up numbers that very few RBs in NFL history managed to achieve. He's not just going to disappear. He is one of the best pur runners in the NFL. All the talk of being "dash" also makes people forget that he is 217 lbs so he's not a small back. I do love James Stewart as well so that is one thing that puts a little fear in me, but as said earlier Fox is loyal to vets. As far as tougher schedule he manhandled a very tough Giants's defense at the end of the season - he's just that good.

[dehaven123 31]

Well....

I drafted them LJ/Addai in our league, that should be good enough for you!

[eagles115 23]

also isnt stewart still suffering from a lingering foot or ankle injury?

[dksmith17380 0]

DeAngleo Williams - Was awesome last season had a GREAT year. Thing is the rookie wasn't terrible either and their schedule was a focking cake walk. This year Stewart will get more carries and rumor is he is a solid reciever if given a chance as well. Add on a TOUGH schedule and I just can't in no way see D. Williams being worth the mid late first rounder. I actually don't think his ending stats will be close to be worthy. convince me otherwise.

Panther homer here so a little jaded but here goes:

 

2008 was the first year DeAngelo started.

 

Carolina has never had an offensive line that is returning and healthy in the John Fox era. In 2009 they are all returning and healthy and added mauler Duke Robinson for OG depth. People don't realize that this oline will arguably be the biggest in the NFL.

 

J Stew's health is a question mark. His ankle/achiles are still a question. There are quiet rumblings of another ankle surgery.

 

Even good defenses couldn't really stop the CAR run game as they improved over the course of the season. They totaled 299 against TB on monday night. And 158 against NYG on sunday night. Really if CAR was in the game and had not abandoned the run their run was very effective. I think that we won't see as much of an abandoning of the run game this year after Jake's playoff performance.

 

The most telling stat:

D Wills YPC avg by months

in SEPT: avg 3.7 OCT: 4.9 NOV: 5.9 DEC: 7.0

 

The bottom line is their offensive line was clicking on all cylinders in the run game. Jeff Otah could be the best run blocking tackle we have seen in a long while. Willie Roaf anyone? (admittedly a homer call I know)

 

It would be different if you were drafting for last years stats but you aren't because everyone is thinking the same thing you are. He is a safe middle 1st round pick.

[Quickolas1 80]

as a deangelo dynasty owner (thanks for the championship last year, d-will)...

 

stewart doesnt scare me

the schedule doesnt scare me

only jake delhomme scares me

 

i'd be fine with fitz + moss/aj/calvin + t.jones + l.johnson in a redraft (end of snake)

[kmbryant09 1]

I agree on NOT drafting all of them except DWILL. I could understand being skeptical on DWill if he was being drafted as a top pick, or even top 5...But in so many mocks I see him falling to the 6-10 range....WHY?!?!?!?!?!? He was the most dominant fantasy player last year, and as other people have stated, he's always had talent. Now he has a top OLine and a team that loves to pound the rock. Sure Stewart will take 35-45% of the production away, but last year the 2 of them combined for like 2,300 yards and like 28-30 total TDs. I'll certainly take 60% of that in the middle of the first round.

[ricanrockers 39]

Convince me these guys should be drafted at their current AFP

 

Larry Johnson - Maybe he still has talent but many games last year when he did play he was running in sand. Some games he blew up an was great ( 2 games to be exact ). he is 30 and his managment office makes no secret he is not there favorite guy. Add on Jamal Charles who actually looked really good last season. Right now he is going early to late 4th. I couldn't tuch him until minimum middle 5th - convince me otherwise.

 

 

I think LJ was a product of the O-Line KC once had. Once Roaf retired, everything went down hill from there including LJ.

[WhiteWonder 2,967]

Convince me these guys should be drafted at their current AFP

 

 

Thomas Jones - Did GREAT in every aspect last season! BUT there's a guy named Leon Washington that does great whenever he touches it and is great in the passing game. Oh theres a guy Shonn Green that Jets gave up most of draft to get - he will play! Right now I think Washington gets even more time running and continues his 3rd D role -- while I expect Jones and Greene to split the shorties with maybe Green getting most of them later on. IMO I would touch him at his current ADP -- late 3rd to middle 4th.. convince me otherwise

 

as a Jets homer, Leon Washington is a weapon, and even though the new regime says he will be used more on offense, the old regime said the same thing the past 2 seasons and Shotty is still the OC. As a fan I am cautiously optimistic. But even if Leons role does expand, I do not think you will see a 50/50 split and many tandems have worked out just fine.

 

Shon Greene was a 3rd round pick and the Jets gave up their 4th and 7th to get him. Not ground breaking to the point that he has to get loads of work right away. TJ has 2 years left on his deal. I view Greene as his eventual replacement.. Will he get a few touches? sure but there will be games he doesn;t even factor into.

 

no way the Jets start a rookie QB and give significant play time to a rookie RB who can;t catch or pass block.

[listen2me 23 1,958]

I agree on all, although I like TJ and LJ for where you may possibly get them. TJ in the 4th after or LJ in teh late 4th or 5th wouldn't be that much of a gamble.

 

TJ will still get the rock when all said and done. You think they will throw Sanchez back there along with another rookie to protect him? I think Leon gets a similar role as last year.

 

LJ still has stud potential and now has a legit QB. He has questions, but as a 5th round back I see little downside. I would still be a little shaky on planning to have either guy starting regularly.

 

Addai sucks and I will not draft him. He loses his starting role by mid-season.

 

I also would be scared to draft Marshawn. Where is he going? Like mid to late 3rd? Fred Jackson could take many carries away if the staff has to put up with any more ######. Plus the O-Line took a hit in the off-season. I could be good with him as my #2 if I had a strong #3, but that is it.

[listen2me 23 1,958]

as a Jets homer, Leon Washington is a weapon, and even though the new regime says he will be used more on offense, the old regime said the same thing the past 2 seasons and Shotty is still the OC. As a fan I am cautiously optimistic. But even if Leons role does expand, I do not think you will see a 50/50 split and many tandems have worked out just fine.

 

Shon Greene was a 3rd round pick and the Jets gave up their 4th and 7th to get him. Not ground breaking to the point that he has to get loads of work right away. TJ has 2 years left on his deal. I view Greene as his eventual replacement.. Will he get a few touches? sure but there will be games he doesn;t even factor into.

 

no way the Jets start a rookie QB and give significant play time to a rookie RB who can;t catch or pass block.

 

Right on.

 

TJ ADP is like round 4, but all leagues are different. If I can get him where his universal ADP is now, I would be happy. Numbers will drop but i could easily see 1100/9 30/240.

[Raider 84 29]

First and foremost, LJ is DONE! DeAngelo is a stud, but Stewart might even be better. I think both backs are capable of 1000+ yards and 10+ scores.

[the_risen_demon 0]

I think LJ was a product of the O-Line KC once had. Once Roaf retired, everything went down hill from there including LJ.

 

Almost right. Johnson had a great statistical year in 2006, the year after Roaf retired. He rushed for 1,789 yards and 17 TD's, though his ypc dropped and he needed a whopping 416 carries to put up such numbers. But after 2006, Will Shields retired and the line really fell apart. Shields and Roaf took a combined 23 pro bowl appearance with them when they retired, and a once dominant offense has not yet recovered.

[mambokings 0]

I drafted them LJ/Addai in our league

 

Ouch, well...there's always 2010!

[gridiron whirlwinds 10]

I would not be too scared to have Marion Barber....actually I think Felix will help keep him stay fresh and not be over used. I also believe Barber will be the primary TD maker.

 

Thomas Jones will not have to carry the load here......I really like Greene on this team as a keeper .

 

Deangelo Williams...make no mistake about this kid...he IS the REAL DEAL. Jonathan Stewart is also a great runner.....Carolina is very lucky.

 

Surely you saw DeAngelo run last year. That was not luck my friend....he is a very talented RB who has great receiving skills as well.

He is powerful and is big enough to take it in from inside the 5 yard line, and he can take it 80 yards to the house as well....he is a top 3 talent in my book. The kids makes more 20 + yard runs than anybody I have seen in along time. Great vision and great balance and great feet = great RB.

 

With that being said, I would not expect 20 TD's again...that is hard to duplicate.....but I would expect between 10-15 Td's.

[Ray_T 793]

Panther homer here so a little jaded but here goes:

 

2008 was the first year DeAngelo started.

 

Carolina has never had an offensive line that is returning and healthy in the John Fox era. In 2009 they are all returning and healthy and added mauler Duke Robinson for OG depth. People don't realize that this oline will arguably be the biggest in the NFL.

 

J Stew's health is a question mark. His ankle/achiles are still a question. There are quiet rumblings of another ankle surgery.

 

Even good defenses couldn't really stop the CAR run game as they improved over the course of the season. They totaled 299 against TB on monday night. And 158 against NYG on sunday night. Really if CAR was in the game and had not abandoned the run their run was very effective. I think that we won't see as much of an abandoning of the run game this year after Jake's playoff performance.

 

The most telling stat:

D Wills YPC avg by months

in SEPT: avg 3.7 OCT: 4.9 NOV: 5.9 DEC: 7.0

 

The bottom line is their offensive line was clicking on all cylinders in the run game. Jeff Otah could be the best run blocking tackle we have seen in a long while. Willie Roaf anyone? (admittedly a homer call I know)

 

It would be different if you were drafting for last years stats but you aren't because everyone is thinking the same thing you are. He is a safe middle 1st round pick.

 

I agree.

 

there is no risk with Williams. the good run production on this team was primarily due to a strong O-Line. The largest risk (if there is one) is that Stewart is waiting in the wings, and will be getting a larger role in the offense if he plays well.

 

This is a run first offense, and the RB's on this team should perform well provided they get their share of the carries.

[HoleFiller 0]

Why do people even judge the schedule's toughness in a league like the NFL. The NFC south is the most fickle division in football. These things change every year. Wait until late October before you judge how tough the schedule is. Any team who had to play Miami and the Jets last year looked like that was a cake walk and look how that turned out.

[LordOpie 0]

Why do people even judge the schedule's toughness in a league like the NFL.

There's some value, some teams are perennially good. Like the NFC East consistently puts up a good fight. NE, IND, PIT, BAL, et al.... all put up a good fight too. But yeah, NFC south doesn't have that consistency.

[dksmith17380 0]

I think Fox's stubbornness to give his veterans (DeAngelo) the rock is being downplayed. This is a major factor.

 

Also, DeAngelo got 60% of the carries in 08 but still put up the biggest numbers out of RBs. Why the hate this year if he gets 60% of the carries?

 

Another thing that is being downplayed- his talent and work eithc. His renewed work ethic(thanks to Vinny Testaverde haha) in 2008 hasn't really been heard about outside of Panther fan circles. To me he has the 2nd best burst through the hole behind Peterson and its actually closer than most think.