Rodgers vs. Romo

[Blue_Star_Wrecking_Crew 0]

you think you get a good cross section in a poll like this? you get a few Cowboys fans and a bunch of guys chompin at the bit to rip on the Cowboys.

 

does this poll mean anything? NO

 

the funny thing is, if the Cowboys win a playoff game and GB doesnt, Rodgers will still be better cause he has a lesser team. theres your easy cop out.

 

so what is it? do the Cowboys really have all those legitimate pro-bowlers? or was the voting flawed? cant have it both ways. although, a lot of you will use it both ways, depending on the thread.

there is some serious voter fraud here. No way rodgers is better than romo. this is ridiculous. might have to prove this the old fashioned way and meet up in the playoffs. Romo will win and then we can start a new legit poll. Shonuff has no dignity here.

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

you think you get a good cross section in a poll like this? you get a few Cowboys fans and a bunch of guys chompin at the bit to rip on the Cowboys.

 

does this poll mean anything? NO

 

the funny thing is, if the Cowboys win a playoff game and GB doesnt, Rodgers will still be better cause he has a lesser team. theres your easy cop out.

 

so what is it? do the Cowboys really have all those legitimate pro-bowlers? or was the voting flawed? cant have it both ways. although, a lot of you will use it both ways, depending on the thread.

 

i have news for you. Just as the Coboys haters use it both ways, so do the Romo supporters.

 

In all his past failures, it wasn;t just him it was a team choke job. This season as Dallas has done well in December, it is all Romo.

 

Thats kind of the way message boards work

[gtthom86 5]

there is some serious voter fraud here. No way rodgers is better than romo. this is ridiculous. might have to prove this the old fashioned way and meet up in the playoffs. Romo will win and then we can start a new legit poll. Shonuff has no dignity here.

 

 

actually surprised romo got as many votes as he did

[Blue_Star_Wrecking_Crew 0]

actually surprised romo got as many votes as he did

well there are alot of packer homers here and alot of romo haters as well. rodgers went from like 18 votes to around 40 in no time. Like ten minutes. I logged off and came back and rodgers was leading big. makes you wonder if these packer guys dont have alot of accounts voting

[Sho Nuff 720]

This poll is stacked against romo. I saw like 20 rodgers votes appear last night.

 

Wow...and the lying and deflection continues.

First...you wanted this poll stacked for Romo...you tried with all of your ids and it was quickly pointed out.

 

2 different boards and the results are clear...most people would take Rodgers...end of story.

[Sho Nuff 720]

you think you get a good cross section in a poll like this? you get a few Cowboys fans and a bunch of guys chompin at the bit to rip on the Cowboys.

 

does this poll mean anything? NO

 

the funny thing is, if the Cowboys win a playoff game and GB doesnt, Rodgers will still be better cause he has a lesser team. theres your easy cop out.

 

so what is it? do the Cowboys really have all those legitimate pro-bowlers? or was the voting flawed? cant have it both ways. although, a lot of you will use it both ways, depending on the thread.

 

So you think 2 different polls...on 2 different boards...and its cowboys fans...and everyone who took Rodgers is just chompin at the bit to rip on the Cowboys?

 

Are you that blind?

 

Depends on what happens really. If Dallas wins their division and win a game and Rodgers doesn't...well, he should. Home game and all. The Packers will likely be underdogs whoever they play. Not sure yet about the Cowboys.

 

Can't have it both ways? You mean the Cowboys did not have a bunch of pro-bowlers a few years ago?

[Sho Nuff 720]

actually surprised romo got as many votes as he did

 

Don't be...pimp/psycho/blue star/dallas empire.......and all of his accounts voted for Romo.

[Sho Nuff 720]

well there are alot of packer homers here and alot of romo haters as well. rodgers went from like 18 votes to around 40 in no time. Like ten minutes. I logged off and came back and rodgers was leading big. makes you wonder if these packer guys dont have alot of accounts voting

 

Trying to figure which is worse...you stealing someone else's post from the other board in this thread...or now you are that unoriginal using this accusation that was properly used against you and your accounts who stacked it for Romo early on?

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Naturally there is alot of hate here for Romo because he's a Cowboy. Romo is a very good QB and I wouldn't say Rodgers is on a different planet talentwise than Romo. I think they're closer than alot of people here say.

 

Rodgers does have some issues. He seems to take a while to warm up in games. His throws tend to be inaccurate at the beginning of the game, and sometimes the beginning of the second half. Favre actually used to have the same problem when he was younger....I think it's just excitement but he'll need to get that under control if he's going to go anywhere in the playoffs.

 

Also Rodgers, as everyone knows does hold on to the ball too long. He has improved on that lately, but some of the credit for that has to go to McCarthy's playcalling.

 

Also, I think Rodgers at times plays too conservative. Trying to be the anti-Favre and not make the dumb play. By doing this, I think his stats look good...but I think he at times lacks the killer instinct to be a game changer.

 

That being said...he's also extraordinary this season. It's a great year for QB's so nobody is really getting as much credit as they deserve outside of Manning, Breees, and Favre as all are having amazing seasons. But Rodgers is putting up amazing numbers this year. Big Ben played lights out last week, so Rodgers' performance was lost in that. But he put the team on his shoulders and got the job done. People will continue to say he can't win the game in the 4th quarter since they lost, ignoring the fact that he threw what shold have been the game winning touchdown with 2:00 left in the game. Like so many times last year, this was followed up with the Packers defense losing the game on the final drive.

 

People often credit Rodgers with having great receivers, however many don't know they have been dropping balls like T.O. this year.

 

I'm a Packer fan so I may be biased, but I'd rather have Rodgers. That's not to say anything is wrong with Romo. I think he's up there. I think he gets alot of hate just because people hate the Cowboys. I think this is the year he shuts people up who say he can't win in December. But I think Rodgers is so young, and so good at this age that when the Brady/Manning era is over....it will be the Rivers/Rodgers era of great QB's in the NFL.

[49ers_suck 0]

So you think 2 different polls...on 2 different boards...and its cowboys fans...and everyone who took Rodgers is just chompin at the bit to rip on the Cowboys?

 

Are you that blind?

 

Depends on what happens really. If Dallas wins their division and win a game and Rodgers doesn't...well, he should. Home game and all. The Packers will likely be underdogs whoever they play. Not sure yet about the Cowboys.

 

Can't have it both ways? You mean the Cowboys did not have a bunch of pro-bowlers a few years ago?

 

heres the deal. when the Cowboys had a bunch of pro bowlers a couple years ago there was mass complaining on this bored. there was talk that it was not right that that many Cowboys made it. i tend to agree with this. they had a good year, but were overrated.

 

my point is, that whenever convenient, some folks on here will state the above, OR say the Cowboys are "stacked" with great players depending on the thread and what their agenda is.

[49ers_suck 0]

Naturally there is alot of hate here for Romo because he's a Cowboy. Romo is a very good QB and I wouldn't say Rodgers is on a different planet talentwise than Romo. I think they're closer than alot of people here say.

 

Rodgers does have some issues. He seems to take a while to warm up in games. His throws tend to be inaccurate at the beginning of the game, and sometimes the beginning of the second half. Favre actually used to have the same problem when he was younger....I think it's just excitement but he'll need to get that under control if he's going to go anywhere in the playoffs.

 

Also Rodgers, as everyone knows does hold on to the ball too long. He has improved on that lately, but some of the credit for that has to go to McCarthy's playcalling.

 

Also, I think Rodgers at times plays too conservative. Trying to be the anti-Favre and not make the dumb play. By doing this, I think his stats look good...but I think he at times lacks the killer instinct to be a game changer.

 

That being said...he's also extraordinary this season. It's a great year for QB's so nobody is really getting as much credit as they deserve outside of Manning, Breees, and Favre as all are having amazing seasons. But Rodgers is putting up amazing numbers this year. Big Ben played lights out last week, so Rodgers' performance was lost in that. But he put the team on his shoulders and got the job done. People will continue to say he can't win the game in the 4th quarter since they lost, ignoring the fact that he threw what shold have been the game winning touchdown with 2:00 left in the game. Like so many times last year, this was followed up with the Packers defense losing the game on the final drive.

 

People often credit Rodgers with having great receivers, however many don't know they have been dropping balls like T.O. this year.

join the club Rodgers. try throwing to Roy Williams.

 

I'm a Packer fan so I may be biased, but I'd rather have Rodgers. That's not to say anything is wrong with Romo. I think he's up there. I think he gets alot of hate just because people hate the Cowboys. I think this is the year he shuts people up who say he can't win in December. But I think Rodgers is so young, and so good at this age that when the Brady/Manning era is over....it will be the Rivers/Rodgers era of great QB's in the NFL.

no ######.

[Phurfur 70]

no ######.

 

Weren't you the guy that said RW will be OK once he builds chemistry with Romo?

[49ers_suck 0]

Weren't you the guy that said RW will be OK once he builds chemistry with Romo?

whatever. i was cautiously optimistic. i dont think it was really going out on a limb to say Roy could become better in Dallas. Detroit is a craphole.

 

 

and he's not horrible, but he's nothing special. he's had some key drops, doesnt seem to get much separation, and still seems to be "outta sync" in the passing game. what he does do well is block downfield. and he seems to keep playing hard. he is what he is. not a very good trade for the Cowboys.

[Diggler 0]

Romo finds himself in very exclusive company in the most important indicator of them all.

 

Cleveland's Otto Graham is No. 1 on the YPA list (8.63). Not so coincidentally, he was the most successful quarterback in history, leading his Browns to six straight championship games in his six seasons as an NFL quarterback (1950-55), winning three of them. (Graham also led the Browns to four straight championships in the AAFC before the club joined the NFL -- he averaged a stunning 9.51 yards per attempt against that league's inferior competition.)

 

Chicago's Sid Luckman is No. 2 on the YPA list (8.42). Not so coincidentally, he was the most successful quarterback of the 1940s, virtually inventing the modern position that we know today while leading the Bears to four NFL titles.

 

Then there's Romo at No. 3. Following Sunday's performance, he has averaged 8.18 yards per pass attempt in his career. To put this figure another way, it makes Romo more effective at getting the ball down field than any passer since Graham hung up the black high-tops 54 years ago.

 

That's elite company.

 

Romo's career YPA is higher than Aaron Rodgers. This stat is the single most important indicator of a top qb. Also, add in rodgers 15-15 record as a starter and Romo's 31-15 record since his first full year as a starter.

 

Romo is the winner in win/loss and YPA. End of discussion. I am done with you. Thread over. Romo wins.

 

Shouldn't you give proper credit for this article originally written September 16, 2009? And since then Romo's career YPA has declined to 8.09 according to ESPN. Maybe you just forgot to post the link so in the spirit of the season I will hook you up:

 

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=2821

[Blue_Star_Wrecking_Crew 0]

1. Manning

2. Brees

3. Brady

4. Romo

5. favre

6. Rivers

7. Rodgers

8. Palmer

9. Shaub

10. Mcnabb

 

 

Romo went to the Pro Bowl each of his first two years and made the playoffs both those years. So Rodgers still trails. If you want to make the argument current if Rodgers only throws 1 TD Sunday and Romo throws 3 can we say Romo is better then? You have to take the whole body of work not just the parts you like for your argument.

 

 

Look at the dallas GB game this year

 

it Wasn't Rogers that beat us it was Charles Woodson, and the Defense. Rogers was terrible in that game I know it still counts as a win for Rodgers but put a Asterick by it.

 

rodgers got beat by the bucs this year. give me a break.

[Houston Texans 10]

it Wasn't Rogers that beat us it was Charles Woodson, and the Defense. Rogers was terrible in that game I know it still counts as a win for Rodgers but put a Asterick by it.

Dude, you can't have it both ways. If you're gonna say that Rodgers doesn't deserve credit for the win against Dallas, then you can't say that Romo deserves the credit for the win against N.O. Dallas' defense shut down the Saints for 3/4 of that game. Romo managed the offense for the Cowboys. He didn't win it. Yet you have (repeatedly) touted that win as some kind of "statement" win for Romo in this thread. Either it works for Romo AND Rodgers, or it works for neither.

 

This is part of the reason that many posters seem to dis-like you. You are a blind homer, and will argue out both sides of your mouth if it will support whatever flimsy point you are trying to make.

[Blue_Star_Wrecking_Crew 0]

Shouldn't you give proper credit for this article originally written September 16, 2009? And since then Romo's career YPA has declined to 8.09 according to ESPN. Maybe you just forgot to post the link so in the spirit of the season I will hook you up:

 

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=2821

 

Kaspersky says that is a phishing site. I cant access it.

[jgcrawfish 232]

this thread/poll makes me laugh, 11 trumped up aliases from pimptaddy all voting plus every blinded by homerism Cowboy fan and Romo is still getting his ass beat like he stole something. I really, really hope Dallas loses this weekend so you folks will go away.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Dude, you can't have it both ways. If you're gonna say that Rodgers doesn't deserve credit for the win against Dallas, then you can't say that Romo deserves the credit for the win against N.O. Dallas' defense shut down the Saints for 3/4 of that game. Romo managed the offense for the Cowboys. He didn't win it. Yet you have (repeatedly) touted that win as some kind of "statement" win for Romo in this thread. Either it works for Romo AND Rodgers, or it works for neither.

 

This is part of the reason that many posters seem to dis-like you. You are a blind homer, and will argue out both sides of your mouth if it will support whatever flimsy point you are trying to make.

 

BOOM!

 

 

However, you're way off on the last part. You and I have two sides of our mouth, pimptaddy/blue_star has 11 different aliases, that's 22 different sides.

[Blue_Star_Wrecking_Crew 0]

this thread/poll makes me laugh, 11 trumped up aliases from pimptaddy all voting plus every blinded by homerism Cowboy fan and Romo is still getting his ass beat like he stole something. I really, really hope Dallas loses this weekend so you folks will go away.

[49ers_suck 0]

Dude, you can't have it both ways. If you're gonna say that Rodgers doesn't deserve credit for the win against Dallas, then you can't say that Romo deserves the credit for the win against N.O. Dallas' defense shut down the Saints for 3/4 of that game. Romo managed the offense for the Cowboys. He didn't win it. Yet you have (repeatedly) touted that win as some kind of "statement" win for Romo in this thread. Either it works for Romo AND Rodgers, or it works for neither.

 

This is part of the reason that many posters seem to dis-like you. You are a blind homer, and will argue out both sides of your mouth if it will support whatever flimsy point you are trying to make.

 

 

you are right. and there are plenty of Cowboys fans that will argue out both sides of their mouths. there are also plenty of us who are realistic.

 

pimp may be a blind homer, you sound like a blind hater.

[Houston Texans 10]

you are right. and there are plenty of Cowboys fans that will argue out both sides of their mouths. there are also plenty of us who are realistic.

 

pimp may be a blind homer, you sound like a blind hater.

If by blind hater, you mean someone who votes in a message board poll, then provides reasoning for his vote, then looks at the "proof" that a blind homer posts and identifies how that "proof" actually confirms his own vote, then yes, I guess you could call me a blind hater.

 

Read the thread-I voted, explained my vote, and then responded to the OP (and his aliases) posts. I didn't start a thread bashing Romo, in fact, I never said Romo is a bad QB, just that Rodgers is better.

[jgcrawfish 232]

If by blind hater, you mean someone who votes in a message board poll, then provides reasoning for his vote, then looks at the "proof" that a blind homer posts and identifies how that "proof" actually confirms his own vote, then yes, I guess you could call me a blind hater.

 

Read the thread-I voted, explained my vote, and then responded to the OP (and his aliases) posts. I didn't start a thread bashing Romo, in fact, I never said Romo is a bad QB, just that Rodgers is better.

 

"I'm jgcrawfish and i fully approve this message"

[49ers_suck 0]

"I'm jgcrawfish and i fully approve this message"

woopity doo!

[Joey Gladstone 33]

1. Manning

2. Brees

3. Brady

4. Romo

5. favre

6. Rivers

7. Rodgers

8. Palmer

9. Shaub

10. Mcnabb

Romo went to the Pro Bowl each of his first two years and made the playoffs both those years. So Rodgers still trails. If you want to make the argument current if Rodgers only throws 1 TD Sunday and Romo throws 3 can we say Romo is better then? You have to take the whole body of work not just the parts you like for your argument.

Look at the dallas GB game this year

 

it Wasn't Rogers that beat us it was Charles Woodson, and the Defense. Rogers was terrible in that game I know it still counts as a win for Rodgers but put a Asterick by it.

 

rodgers got beat by the bucs this year. give me a break.

 

You are beyond delusional. Favre, Rivers, and McNabb are definitely ahead of Romo. Where the Fock is Warner?!?! He's CLEARLY above Romo. You can make a case for Palmer, and Rodgers is neck and neck. I know your whole presence on this board is one big running homer joke......but

[Sho Nuff 720]

Shouldn't you give proper credit for this article originally written September 16, 2009? And since then Romo's career YPA has declined to 8.09 according to ESPN. Maybe you just forgot to post the link so in the spirit of the season I will hook you up:

 

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=2821

 

Wow...so not only does he steal other people's posts from another board...but entire articles too?

 

How much plagiarism can Pimp come up with?

[Sho Nuff 720]

1. Manning

2. Brees

3. Brady

4. Romo

5. favre

6. Rivers

7. Rodgers

8. Palmer

9. Shaub

10. Mcnabb

Romo went to the Pro Bowl each of his first two years and made the playoffs both those years. So Rodgers still trails. If you want to make the argument current if Rodgers only throws 1 TD Sunday and Romo throws 3 can we say Romo is better then? You have to take the whole body of work not just the parts you like for your argument.

Look at the dallas GB game this year

 

it Wasn't Rogers that beat us it was Charles Woodson, and the Defense. Rogers was terrible in that game I know it still counts as a win for Rodgers but put a Asterick by it.

 

rodgers got beat by the bucs this year. give me a break.

 

Using fan voted pro bowls as a sign of something?

Rodgers was terrible in that game? He accounted for more points than Romo did.

Asterisk because the defense stepped up and made Romo look silly?

 

Too funny.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Kaspersky says that is a phishing site. I cant access it.

 

Well, you stole it word for word...nice lie thief.

[mambokings 0]

this thread/poll makes me laugh, 11 trumped up aliases from pimptaddy all voting plus every blinded by homerism Cowboy fan and Romo is still getting his ass beat like he stole something.

 

[Blue_Star_Wrecking_Crew 0]

Well, you stole it word for word...nice lie thief.

hey, i dont want a virus. cant see the stats you posted. sorry

[Blue_Star_Wrecking_Crew 0]

You are beyond delusional. Favre, Rivers, and McNabb are definitely ahead of Romo. Where the Fock is Warner?!?! He's CLEARLY above Romo. You can make a case for Palmer, and Rodgers is neck and neck. I know your whole presence on this board is one big running homer joke......but

 

I base rankings on pro bowls, career wins, stats,

 

romo and rodgers are even in stats. romo has 2 wins for every loss while rodgers is 1 win for every loss. romo is also a probowler more often. He led a team to 13-3 record something rodgers never did. romo has also never had a losing season.

[BMoney 0]

I base rankings on pro bowls, career wins, stats,

 

romo and rodgers are even in stats. romo has 2 wins for every loss while rodgers is 1 win for every loss. romo is also a probowler more often. He led a team to 13-3 record something rodgers never did. romo has also never had a losing season.

 

 

Im pro favre in the whole favre-rodgers thing and even I side with rodgers...

 

were u in a coma the past 3 years? if games in sept and oct mean more to you than dec and jan..so be it....

[BMoney 0]

i like a fan of the 1 and out cowboys saying we may have to meet in the playoffs....if it isnt the first game...they aint meeting...

 

 

how are they head to head, homo wrecking crew?

[Yer mom 2]

This thread is still goin?

 

Hey Blue Star not Wrecking anything in December Crew: "Its not a lie, if you believe it" -George Costanza

[Houston Texans 10]

I base rankings on pro bowls, career wins, stats,

 

romo and rodgers are even in stats. romo has 2 wins for every loss while rodgers is 1 win for every loss. romo is also a probowler more often. He led a team to 13-3 record something rodgers never did. romo has also never had a losing season.

1) Pro Bowls and wins are two categories that are are influenced as much (if not more) by factors other than the QBs.

Many people have posted about how the Pro Bowl is not a true indicator of talent, but rather of popularity, which player(s) have the hot name(s).

Wins, as you yourself noted earlier when you said "Romo should have beat the Chargers if Ware hadn't gotten hurt," are not solely influenced by the QB, but rather by the team performance. It's possible for a QB to play great and lose a game, just like it's possible for a QB to have his team play awful and win a game. (Trent Dilfer won a SB; does that make him a better QB than Dan Marino?)

2) Romo and Rodgers ARE NOT even in stats. Rodgers is WAY ahead of Romo in most stats. (I posted it in the other thread you started, you can feel free to look it up), but the two most important are QB rating and TD to INT ratio. Based on the NFL's rating system for QBs, Rodgers is better, and based on the amount of TD passes vs Interceptions, Rodgers is better. Romo is better than Rodgers in YPA.

What that means is that on average:

Romo will throw approximately 1 INT for every 2 TDs and will throw for 8.09 YPA

Rodgers will throw approximately 1 INT for every 3 TDs and will throw for 7.8 YPA

 

So, if each QB throws 30 times a game:

Romo will throw for (on average) 243 yards, and if he throws 2 TD, he will also throw 1 INT

Rodgers will throw for (on average) 234 yards, and he will average 3 TDs for every 1 INT

 

So, you're trying to say you will take the 9 extra yards rather than an extra TD?

 

God, I'm glad you don't coach for my team!

[Sho Nuff 720]

I base rankings on pro bowls, career wins, stats,

 

romo and rodgers are even in stats. romo has 2 wins for every loss while rodgers is 1 win for every loss. romo is also a probowler more often. He led a team to 13-3 record something rodgers never did. romo has also never had a losing season.

 

You base rankings on fan voted popularity contests?

Seriously? Not like you had any credibility anyway...but man that just blew it out of the water.

 

Career wins and pro bowls...awesome..

 

Vince Young > Tony Romo

Better record and even he made a pro bowl.

[Blue_Star_Wrecking_Crew 0]

You base rankings on fan voted popularity contests?

Seriously? Not like you had any credibility anyway...but man that just blew it out of the water.

 

Career wins and pro bowls...awesome..

 

Vince Young > Tony Romo

Better record and even he made a pro bowl.

romo led a 13-3 team. the titans went 13-3 when VY was on the bench. romo > VY.

[Blue_Star_Wrecking_Crew 0]

Any list that has Aaron Rodgers abouve Romo is void and null. Rodgers has failed to get GB to the playoffs yet. This has been his best season at "9" wins so far. He is an up and comer I would say Romo is about 5th and Rodger 9th or 10th in the league today. if you look at their overall numbers stats during the time they have played romo's numbers are overall far better in both qb rating and winning percentage, and yes you're right that Rodgers this year will probably lead them to a playoff berth but so will Romo this year, which will be his third time in four years doing that and romo has never had a losing season, the Packers were like 6-10 last year. I think most would think Romo is a better qb,

[sirensong 111]

Better poll:

Which QB played with over 10 pro bowl players on his team, had a 1st round bye, and home field, but couldn't win a playoff game?

 

Romo

Romo or

Romo

 

oh sweet jesus...here we go again. this is an amusing phenomenon that always seems to be brought up by eagles or giants fans. in a non-romo thread, if a cowboy fan brings up the number of pro bowlers, you guys scream "the pro bowl is a popularity contest, not an indication of the quality of the players" and "all those talentless guys are overrated".

 

but if the thread is about romo, the same people say "look at the incredible talent that they had on that team, and romo screwed it all up".

 

you guys said williams sucked, davis sucked, newman was overrated, flozell was overrated, and hamlin was overrated. hell--the kicker and the punter were pro bowlers, too.

 

and now, 2 years later, you guys still say that the same players suck--the only guys that aren't still there are ellis, williams, and TO (and lately folk). so 9 of the 13 are still cowboys.

 

that year, dallas had 2 1st team all-pros (a better indicator of performance): witten and ware. so evidently, they weren't quite the powerhouse that you're suggesting.

[sirensong 111]

You base rankings on fan voted popularity contests?

 

see what i mean--pro bowls appear to be meaningless, unless one can use them to knock romo.