IBL - It's time!

[Dan 66]

Why in the world did you take Andre with the #2 pick instead of trading down if you wanted him?

 

First thing to remember is that this is a team game. Not trying to be a jerk, but this is the crux of the action. I might have done it anyway, because I am that high on Charles. However, the step was really made simple when Rinku traded up to #5. That assured us the "Big 4" RB that otherwise would have been lost. That player has since been moved to White Wonder. My own personal motivation had a lot to do with the way I expected the 2nd round to fall out. Frankly, it fell better than I had even dared to hope. Beyond that - there are more reasons. But it worked .. . for me, and for our team.

[Chronic Husker 86]

First thing to remember is that this is a team game. Not trying to be a jerk, but this is the crux of the action. I might have done it anyway, because I am that high on Charles. However, the step was really made simple when Rinku traded up to #5. That assured us the "Big 4" RB that otherwise would have been lost. That player has since been moved to White Wonder. My own personal motivation had a lot to do with the way I expected the 2nd round to fall out. Frankly, it fell better than I had even dared to hope. Beyond that - there are more reasons. But it worked .. . for me, and for our team.

I know it's a team game and figured it had something to do with you trading into the #5 spot. I'm probably as high on Charles as you are and getting him and Rice in 2/3 looks great. It just doesn't make much sense to me to take Andre there considering you could have traded out of that spot and had him at #5 in any draft you wanted.

 

Not to be a jerk.

 

[WhiteWonder 2,982]

It just doesn't make much sense to me to take Andre there considering you could have traded out of that spot and had him at #5 in any draft you wanted.

 

you have to be involved with the IBL and have more info to understand why it makes sense.

 

the IBL is WR heavy to a fault. By rounds 3 and 4 the value at RB is tremendous while the value at WR is piss poor. One option is taking AJ early and getting your RB value in round 3, which Dan did perfectly.

 

and, as Dan mentioned we had a team strategy in play there with another member moving into that 5th spot. It allowed us to take AJ at 2 and still be assure of a top 4 RB at pick 5. It also likely got us a discount on that trade up having the inside information that one of the consensus top 4 RB's would still be there.

[remote controller 143]

I like the way you built your team Cuse. The path was interesting. I think the one QB was good enough, but it's nice to have two that good as long as you can hit the right one weekly. Looks good and still has valuable pieces yet to add. Kudos!

[Dan 66]

you have to be involved with the IBL and have more info to understand why it makes sense.

 

the IBL is WR heavy to a fault. By rounds 3 and 4 the value at RB is tremendous while the value at WR is piss poor. One option is taking AJ early and getting your RB value in round 3, which Dan did perfectly.

 

and, as Dan mentioned we had a team strategy in play there with another member moving into that 5th spot. It allowed us to take AJ at 2 and still be assure of a top 4 RB at pick 5. It also likely got us a discount on that trade up having the inside information that one of the consensus top 4 RB's would still be there.

 

To follow that . . . If I trade back to #5, it happens one of two ways:

 

1) I do it initially, and Rinku (and Team FFT) doesn't get the second pick in the top 5, netting an extra copy of Andre over what we're "supposed to have."

 

2) I trade with Rinku, and work the "standard" value, except that Rinku now has been bumped down in a couple of other rounds to select a player that we're going for anyway.

 

The other factors in this are that most #5s aren't looking to go UP. They're looking to move back. We took advantage of that in our draft and got Rinku to 5. Staying put also takes us out of the normal 2nd round progression. Charles was my target in 2nd round. Why not stay put and get Rinku extra value when I could get the guy I wanted lower in the round anyway? And then I got the gift of Rice falling too, and was able to finesse the two of them. Hey, presto! A starting three that I love, and Rinku has a "better value" than his position is "supposed" to have.

 

I guess I don't understand the issue of drafting Andre at 2 as opposed to 5 . . . unless it's to gain the extra value that the #2 merits. (See above)

[Dan 66]

I like the way you built your team Cuse. The path was interesting. I think the one QB was good enough, but it's nice to have two that good as long as you can hit the right one weekly. Looks good and still has valuable pieces yet to add. Kudos!

 

Cuse is building his team like Captain Lou used to . . . with shades of Fantasy King. For me, the conservative - it scares the crap out of me. But he does it well.

[Clash of the Titans 1]

Setting foot anywhere in the gawd foresaken town of Tuscaloosa makes me want to vomit. The only good thing about Tuscaloosa is that StarkVegas is 1.5 hours down the road . People are still driving around with Alabama Flags attached to their car windows. Don't they know football season ended 6 months ago

 

 

 

 

I have no clue about the F.S league. It's getting close to that time if something were to happen.

 

hope you're doing well - talk to you later

 

 

would those be 2009 National Championship Flags? lol.......... i have been working ten hour days for the past month and no less than 50 hours a week this summer at T&TA.....i actually have some time tonite to play fantasy football....bout to be up in this league based on what this thread was created for...............

 

anyway i do really appreciate the racket you gave me a few years for winning that heavy-hitter league........i need to repay you back someway...........you coming down for the state game by chance???

[Vikings4ever 570]

Wheeling and dealing (8 trades) have given me this starting lineup:

 

QB

Philip Rivers

 

RB

Jamaal Charles

Matt Forte

 

WR

Reggie Wyane

Anquan Boldin

Steve Smith (Carolina)

 

TE

Kellen Winslow Jr

 

Backup WR: Vincent Jackson

 

Just have to fill in the backups now.

[WhiteWonder 2,982]

meh, not that anyone is interested but my team so far

 

Starters in bold

 

QB - ?

 

RB - Ray Rice

Joseph Addai

Jerome Harrison

 

WR - Sidney Rice

Malcom Floyd

Derrick Mason

 

TE - Antonio Gates

Brent Celek

 

a little different approach going with 2 TE's early but the league allows us to start two and both should out perform the WR's left at the time.

[Stewburtx8 67]

meh, not that anyone is interested but my team so far

 

Starters in bold

 

QB - ?

 

RB - Ray Rice

Joseph Addai

Jerome Harrison

 

WR - Sidney Rice

Malcom Floyd

Derrick Mason

 

TE - Antonio Gates

Brent Celek

 

a little different approach going with 2 TE's early but the league allows us to start two and both should out perform the WR's left at the time.

 

 

Brent Celek in the 4th seems like a little bit of a reach to me, especially when you already have Gates on your roster. I understand you can start both, there are just some guys picked after him that I would of preferred. Even grabbing Brady or Schaub there I think would of presented better value.

 

Otherwise I like this team. Rice is maybe the most consistent RB in PPR leagues. Addai is very underrated in this format because of his pass catching ability. Love Sidney Rice assuming Favre is back. I'm not sure I trust Malcom Floyd as my #2 WR, but taking Gates as your TE makes up for it. Again, I just think this team would look better to me if you replaced Celek in the 4th with Brady or Schaub, or even Welker, Nicks, Ward, or Bowe.

[WhiteWonder 2,982]

Brent Celek in the 4th seems like a little bit of a reach to me, especially when you already have Gates on your roster. I understand you can start both, there are just some guys picked after him that I would of preferred. Even grabbing Brady or Schaub there I think would of presented better value.

 

Otherwise I like this team. Rice is maybe the most consistent RB in PPR leagues. Addai is very underrated in this format because of his pass catching ability. Love Sidney Rice assuming Favre is back. I'm not sure I trust Malcom Floyd as my #2 WR, but taking Gates as your TE makes up for it. Again, I just think this team would look better to me if you replaced Celek in the 4th with Brady or Schaub, or even Welker, Nicks, Ward, or Bowe.

 

not sold on Bowe, but i hear ya. I contemplated Wes Welker but decided to stick with my dual TE plan rather than rely on two potentially mediocre WR's. Obviously if fully healthy, Welker is anything but mediocre.

 

Celek is my 3rd rated TE. Probably high to some but I think he shines brightest with Kolb.

[Me_2006 14]

Annnndddd I still don't have any players because no one seems to want to trade into Draft H (the last to start).

 

 

I'm picking at 1.01 though.

[Kitsnow 0]

Annnndddd I still don't have any players because no one seems to want to trade into Draft H (the last to start).

 

 

I'm picking at 1.01 though.

 

you could try to trade people, I believe my 4.04 is on the block. Even some value picks like Rice available depending on your take of the favre situation.

[Dan 66]

Brent Celek in the 4th seems like a little bit of a reach to me, especially when you already have Gates on your roster. I understand you can start both, there are just some guys picked after him that I would of preferred. Even grabbing Brady or Schaub there I think would of presented better value.

 

Otherwise I like this team. Rice is maybe the most consistent RB in PPR leagues. Addai is very underrated in this format because of his pass catching ability. Love Sidney Rice assuming Favre is back. I'm not sure I trust Malcom Floyd as my #2 WR, but taking Gates as your TE makes up for it. Again, I just think this team would look better to me if you replaced Celek in the 4th with Brady or Schaub, or even Welker, Nicks, Ward, or Bowe.

 

Celek was drafted as Flex 1. The guys that you listed - Welker, Nicks, Ward, Bowe - all solid - but given their situations and question marks and general talent - are in the plane with Celek. Could he have waited to 5.4? Maybe, but certainly not guaranteed.

 

And position is strategy. Hard to fault that until you see what he puts in at QB. Remember, his having 8 players does not imply that his next pick is in the 9th round. . . not in the IBL.

Patience . . . WW has a plan.

[Stewburtx8 67]

Celek was drafted as Flex 1. The guys that you listed - Welker, Nicks, Ward, Bowe - all solid - but given their situations and question marks and general talent - are in the plane with Celek. Could he have waited to 5.4? Maybe, but certainly not guaranteed.

 

And position is strategy. Hard to fault that until you see what he puts in at QB. Remember, his having 8 players does not imply that his next pick is in the 9th round. . . not in the IBL.

Patience . . . WW has a plan.

 

 

I agree. I think some of those guys have more upside, but Celek is a pretty safe pick. He is going to catch a lot of passes from Kolb. I can't see him being a 1,000+ yard TE, but he almost made it there last year, so it's definitely possible. Him and Kolb are roommates and best friends. As an Eagles fan, I haven't been high on Kolb since he was drafted, but my opinion of him is starting to turn around some. All reports out of training camp are that he is prepared, knows the offense in and out, and is making all the throws. He fits the system better than McNabb did also.

 

I understand that. It's hard to critiqued too much when there is soo much going on. It looks like WW traded his 6th round pick in Draft C. Guessing he got at least an early 6th or 5th in a later draft. If the QB's fall like they have in other drafts, and a Philip Rivers is sitting there for him, then I like the draft a lot.

 

Do you have links to the other drafts? It is kind of interesting to follow the flow of everything.

[WhiteWonder 2,982]

I agree. I think some of those guys have more upside, but Celek is a pretty safe pick. He is going to catch a lot of passes from Kolb. I can't see him being a 1,000+ yard TE, but he almost made it there last year, so it's definitely possible. Him and Kolb are roommates and best friends. As an Eagles fan, I haven't been high on Kolb since he was drafted, but my opinion of him is starting to turn around some. All reports out of training camp are that he is prepared, knows the offense in and out, and is making all the throws. He fits the system better than McNabb did also.

 

I understand that. It's hard to critiqued too much when there is soo much going on. It looks like WW traded his 6th round pick in Draft C. Guessing he got at least an early 6th or 5th in a later draft. If the QB's fall like they have in other drafts, and a Philip Rivers is sitting there for him, then I like the draft a lot.

 

Do you have links to the other drafts? It is kind of interesting to follow the flow of everything.

 

its actually a 6.8 that i have so i only moved up 1 spot but the deal was made with a teammate to get them a player they liked in draft C.

 

i have some QB's in mind but in general i don't value them in this scoring format. No deductions for interceptions brings alot of options into play

[Stewburtx8 67]

its actually a 6.8 that i have so i only moved up 1 spot but the deal was made with a teammate to get them a player they liked in draft C.

 

i have some QB's in mind but in general i don't value them in this scoring format. No deductions for interceptions brings alot of options into play

 

 

I see. Yeah, so much going on and teamwork being used that it's hard to criticize any individual teams.

 

I haven't seen the full scoring format so I can't really comment, but it seems like QB's are often undervalued by a lot of people (myself included). I usually can't pull the trigger on an early QB very often unless the value is just too great to pass up. No deductions for interceptions does make Jay Cutler, Eli Manning, and Kevin Kolb all look more attractive, with maybe grabbing a Big Ben later to pair with one of them.

[Me_2006 14]

you could try to trade people, I believe my 4.04 is on the block. Even some value picks like Rice available depending on your take of the favre situation.

No one wants to trade 1st-3rd/4ths for the most part. I'm not looking to swap 14th rounders and give someone an extra second. Too many new guys in this league afraid to get 'taken' so they want something ridiculously in their favor.

[Kitsnow 0]

Football guys pick calculator, you can also try lateral moves see a player you like at a similar position or just after your pick that hasn't been made in a different draft. Jump in and say hey, did you miss out on your player? He might be there with mine lets trade?

Sometimes works sometimes doesn't.

[WhiteWonder 2,982]

Football guys pick calculator, you can also try lateral moves see a player you like at a similar position or just after your pick that hasn't been made in a different draft. Jump in and say hey, did you miss out on your player? He might be there with mine lets trade?

Sometimes works sometimes doesn't.

 

who are you telling this to?

[Kitsnow 0]

Oh was talking to Me_2006 since he said he had an issue trading out of his draft.

[Dan 66]

Draft A

 

Draft B

 

Draft C

 

Draft D

 

Draft E

 

Draft F

 

Here, Stew. These are the six drafts currently in progress. This will give you an idea of the overall scope . . . I'll add G & H on Monday for you. Yes, picks have been traded to there already, but I'm lazy.

[Dan 66]

I see. Yeah, so much going on and teamwork being used that it's hard to criticize any individual teams.

 

I haven't seen the full scoring format so I can't really comment, but it seems like QB's are often undervalued by a lot of people (myself included). I usually can't pull the trigger on an early QB very often unless the value is just too great to pass up. No deductions for interceptions does make Jay Cutler, Eli Manning, and Kevin Kolb all look more attractive, with maybe grabbing a Big Ben later to pair with one of them.

 

Stew -

 

Shoot me an e-mail. danpcouch@hotmail.com

[Dan 66]

Stew - Threw an e-mail back at you. Hopefully you get it before you take off.

[Little Big Head 6]

i would be interested in Celek or Gates off WWs roster. I have Felix Jones/8.04E/9.04H to wrk with.

[Dan 66]

i would be interested in Celek or Gates off WWs roster. I have Felix Jones/8.04E/9.04H to wrk with.

 

Good luck with that.

[Cuse9 131]

Through 13 rounds....here we go.

 

Starters in Bold

 

QB: Carson Palmer & Donovan McNabb

RB: Ray Rice, LeSean McCoy & Clinton Portis

WR: Andre Johnson, Jeremy Maclin, Terrell Owens & Demaryius Thomas

TE: Tony Gonzalez & Greg Olsen

DE: Baltimore Ravens

 

Feeling pretty good right now. I have the top WR in the game, two ppr stud rb's in Rice and McCoy with Portis as nice bye week fill in. Maclin has a chance to go for 1000 with 7-9 TD's. Owens can give me one more solid year. If he can give me 10 TD's, he's a great WR3. Someone has to take over for Brandon Marshall, why not Demaryius? Gonzo is a secure TE that should net me solid points every week and Olsen is a great back up with a ton of potential and Baltimore's defense is always solid.

 

Quarterback is my biggest question mark, but I like it regardless. Palmer should rebound for a great year. In Owens, Ocho, Caldwell, Bryant and Gresham he has a receiving corps that can do it all. He should be able to hit some long strikes and has the size and talent to get alot of redzone TD passes as well. McNabb still has plenty in the tank and some good talent at his disposal. He's a great safety net should Palmer struggle again.

 

It would be nice to strike gold with some later round picks. I have rounds 13, 14, 15, 16, 16, 17 & 18 to go. If I can find a couple of diamonds in the rough I think my team will be gold and therefore help FFToday bring home the title. The teams that are being developed by the other FFToday team members is solid! As a team we've worked together alot better this year in obtaining our targets and such.

 

Well, that's all I got for now! Will post later.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Through 6 Rounds:

 

QB- Philip Rivers

RB- Shonn Greene, Knowshon Moreno

WR- Larry Fitzgerlad, Roddy White

TE- Jermichael Finley

 

[WhiteWonder 2,982]

Through 6 Rounds:

 

QB- Philip Rivers

RB- Shonn Greene, Knowshon Moreno

WR- Larry Fitzgerlad, Roddy White

TE- Jermichael Finley

 

 

[Me_2006 14]

Went from no action to ALL action.

 

I now own the 1.1H and 1.3G.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRNGCja9mRo&videos=BnliZ8rn1XM