**Round Two Commentary**

[Fumbleweed 545]

Dis. Cuss.

 

Discuss.

[RLLD 4,215]

So far round 2 is unfolding exactly as I thought it would....

[Clash of the Titans 1]

dont you work for the government ray....PLEASE GET ON BP TO GET THE OIL OUT OF THE GULF!!

 

 

thanks

[Fumbleweed 545]

NAn,

 

When you check in, if a player you wish to have at 1.12 or 2.01 is still available, feel free to let me know and I'll make the change to your picks. Mike will make your two picks for you, obviously, but you can switch one of his picks with an available player if you wish.

[Fumbleweed 545]

Looks like NAn has arrived in the nick of time...

[Fumbleweed 545]

Wow...Shonn Greene was going to be my pick at 2.02...surprised he was on somebody else's radar that early.

 

I'll take Williams, though, and not be too upset. Stewart is a vulture deluxe, but DeAngelo is still one of the best backs in the league and I like his potential to be a top ten back better than the remaining choices at the position.

 

I'm happy with Brees and Williams to kick off my draft...

[NAn 39]

Sorry again guys, appt I had went much longer than I thought...

 

This is about where Greene has gone per ADP and think he's great value here...picked at the turn as 9-10th rb but could see finishing 6-7.

 

Actually think top10 is a lock considering his situation.

 

I considered going RB with the Moss pick, but what it came down to is I think Ilike the options for a #2rb over a #1wr on the 3/4 turn.

 

Moss had 83/1264/13 in an 'off' year. With his qb 2 yrs removed from ACL and see offense improving overall in passing game b/c of it, see Moss benefitting.

[NAn 39]

DWill is who I considered at 2.01 and think him as a #2 would still have been solid, potentially scary if he was back to 08 form.

 

Dont' actually see that but see team running more again (#2 in atts last year), him getting more carries (if for no other reason than from 3 games he missed), and more scoring opportunities just b/c kill a drive with a pick Delhomme is gone.

[RLLD 4,215]

I was pretty pleased to find Wayne at 2.04, he should have a solid year in 2010, and thus far his ADP has him at 1.10, so for the current measure of his value I came away pretty good.

[Fumbleweed 545]

I was pretty pleased to find Wayne at 2.04, he should have a solid year in 2010, and thus far his ADP has him at 1.10, so for the current measure of his value I came away pretty good.

 

Absolutely. Great spot to be in.

[ICEMAN 44]

All of the guys that I was hoping would fall to me had been selected (which is par for the course with this June Mock!), so I took my #1 rated QB. I really was hoping/fearing that Moss would fall to me (i'm a Pats fan, hence the trepidation). I think that he is going to explode this year, provided he can stay healthy. He fired his agent and is in a contract year, the last one he will most likely ever have. He knows that he has to put up some big numbers if he wants that last contract to have some big numbers on it. I think that Greene and Wayne went about where they should. Usually in the real drafts that I am in people are sleeping on Wayne, so he invariably falls to me. He should put up solid numbers again this year.

 

ICEMAN

[JScott 20]

Never expected that Rodgers would have fallen to me in the 2nd, thus not part of my draft plan. I was looking at another position and the player I was targetting was/is available but I just felt Rodgers was too good of a value to let slip. I'll have to adjust the draft strategy now, but it will be interestingt to see what I would have had compared to what I will end up with now...

[KSB2424 3,148]

Yo, gotta run to a softball game. I will email Fumble my two person list in just a minute.

[remote controller 143]

NO COMMENT!!!!

[RLLD 4,215]

Manning went at about the right spot, IMHO.

 

Rodgers, for reasons as yet undefined, is consistently disappearing in round 1 in current mocks.....before both Bree's and Manning....which I don't "get", or agree with.

 

Rodgers is solidly the #3 QB IMHO, but could certainly be challenged by a strong showing by Brady in the pre-season that allows owners to regain faith in him as a top 3 QB.

 

Williams is at about the right spot, could also be a mid-second round pick as well, anywhere from 2.01 to 2.06 is reasonable. But you also need to accept that you will need something else for your playoff run, his production will fall off precipitously by seasons end.

[NAn 39]

More thoughts on Greene? at this draft spot in general?

 

This is guy I'm starting to fall in love with as season approaches so always like to hear other thoughts to temper my own.

[JScott 20]

Rodgers, for reasons as yet undefined, is consistently disappearing in round 1 in current mocks.....before both Bree's and Manning....which I don't "get", or agree with.

 

Rodgers is solidly the #3 QB IMHO, but could certainly be challenged by a strong showing by Brady in the pre-season that allows owners to regain faith in him as a top 3 QB.

 

Then you're sleeping on Rodgers. In this scoring format I believe he was the #2 QB in '08 and #1 last season.

[RLLD 4,215]

Then you're sleeping on Rodgers. In this scoring format I believe he was the #2 QB in '08 and #1 last season.

 

Perhaps, but in recent year I have been advised to "wake up" or "stop snoozing" only to be consistently correct in my assessments, including top scorer in this event from last year; I tend to have some success with player assessments. And I truly believe that Rodgers is the #3 QB this coming year.

[JScott 20]

More thoughts on Greene? at this draft spot in general?

 

This is guy I'm starting to fall in love with as season approaches so always like to hear other thoughts to temper my own.

 

I like Greene alot this season. But love him next season, after LT finally burns out. I think Rex is old school enough to go with one all around RB. I'm not sure of Greene's receiving ability (doesn't matter in this format) but I see him as a young version of Turner with more speed and ability. I think late first is about right.

[JScott 20]

Perhaps, but in recent year I have been advised to "wake up" or "stop snoozing" only to be consistently correct in my assessments, including top scorer in this event from last year; I tend to have some success with player assessments. And I truly believe that Rodgers is the #3 QB this coming year.

 

I felt the same after his '08 season. Wanted to see him do it again, so to speak. He did and then some. I'm a big believer in QBs that sit for a few seasons, learning. They just seem to hit the ground running so much better than a 3rd year QB who's been playing since season 1.

[RLLD 4,215]

More thoughts on Greene? at this draft spot in general?

 

This is guy I'm starting to fall in love with as season approaches so always like to hear other thoughts to temper my own.

 

I think Greene was taken at pretty much the right spot (his ADP is 2.01), and you have to love his potential for the coming year. There are a ton of positives, and the only question is the impact of LT, everything else is perfect for him.....a young QB that will still be under the protection of a system intended to hide his mistakes, a staunch defense where he will be expected to run his arse off to ensure the D gets rest and they control the clock......I love Greene, truly....

[remote controller 143]

-I love Shonn and project him as the #4 rb this year. I had him as a corner pick and knew NAn would grab him. He normally grabbed 2 backs in the jetdoc mock on the corner.

 

-I have Rodgers and Brees almost dead even and both ahead of Manning, but Manning isn't gonna hurt weekly at Qb in this format or on anny team. What you get with your next two or 3 picks will decide that.

[RLLD 4,215]

I felt the same after his '08 season. Wanted to see him do it again, so to speak. He did and then some. I'm a big believer in QBs that sit for a few seasons, learning. They just seem to hit the ground running so much better than a 3rd year QB who's been playing since season 1.

 

I am delighted to have him in two keeper, and one dynasty.....in 2008 he was nearly my biggest point producer.....I am a fan

[remote controller 143]

Never expected that Rodgers would have fallen to me in the 2nd, thus not part of my draft plan. I was looking at another position and the player I was targetting was/is available but I just felt Rodgers was too good of a value to let slip. I'll have to adjust the draft strategy now, but it will be interestingt to see what I would have had compared to what I will end up with now...

Last year in this draft i picked at 8 or 9 and grabbed Fitz with my first pick and Brees in the 2nd. What saved my ass was I snagged Rice as my #2 bacl later. I know what you mean about having to change plans. Brees was just too appealing and it worked well for me last year.

[robb 81]

So.......guess i was somewhat surprised that no one questioned my taking two wide receivers in rounds rounds 1 & 2. A different strategy, but one I choose after looking at the remaining RBs at my 2.03 selection. Just like taking a QB in round 2, it will force me to readust how I pick now through round 6 or 7.

 

I also looked at 6 points per TD and thought these 2 can score TDs almost at will. We shall see.

 

Thanks again for including me in this years draft!

[RLLD 4,215]

So.......guess i was somewhat surprised that no one questioned my taking two wide receivers in rounds rounds 1 & 2. A different strategy, but one I choose after looking at the remaining RBs at my 2.03 selection. Just like taking a QB in round 2, it will force me to readust how I pick now through round 6 or 7.

 

I also looked at 6 points per TD and thought these 2 can score TDs almost at will. We shall see.

 

Thanks again for including me in this years draft!

 

Not at all.....the "Stud WR" theory has been around for years, and there are plenty of people who subscribe to the WR-WR approach, though most of them are in a PPR format. Still, going WR-WR has become entirely palatable in recent years......I think its a peripheral result of the growing RBBC situations across the league....

[NAn 39]

-I love Shonn and project him as the #4 rb this year. I had him as a corner pick and knew NAn would grab him. He normally grabbed 2 backs in the jetdoc mock on the corner.

 

-I have Rodgers and Brees almost dead even and both ahead of Manning, but Manning isn't gonna hurt weekly at Qb in this format or on anny team. What you get with your next two or 3 picks will decide that.

 

LOL, that is usually my MO when I have the ends, but usually that's b/c that's where I see the value.

 

Totally agree about Rodgers/Brees and then Peyton...they likely will be close by year's end anyway seperated by only a couple pts per game. solid value for Peyton/Brees where they were taken and even better where Rodgers went.

[remote controller 143]

Come on Clash. You've been here for over 40 minutes. Pick and quit holding this thing up. The list for the next pick is in hand. (someones)

[remote controller 143]

I'm old. Fumble has the KSB's list, and White Wonder is absent. I will check in at 6:30 A.M..

[JScott 20]

Never expected that Rodgers would have fallen to me in the 2nd, thus not part of my draft plan. I was looking at another position and the player I was targetting was/is available but I just felt Rodgers was too good of a value to let slip. I'll have to adjust the draft strategy now, but it will be interestingt to see what I would have had compared to what I will end up with now...

 

Marshall is the player I had targeted in the 2nd. From all the mocks I had done at FFC (was laid up in bed for a few days after surgery) I felt the best draft plan from the mid round picks was RB-WR-WR-RB for the first four rounds. But as I said I felt Rodgers was too good to pass up. So instead of Turner-Marshall, I now have Turner-Rodgers. Not too bad.

[JScott 20]

I'm old. Fumble has the KSB's list, and White Wonder is absent. I will check in at 6:30 A.M..

 

You can always send me a list if you want RC

[NAn 39]

Not at all.....the "Stud WR" theory has been around for years, and there are plenty of people who subscribe to the WR-WR approach, though most of them are in a PPR format. Still, going WR-WR has become entirely palatable in recent years......I think its a peripheral result of the growing RBBC situations across the league....

 

Agreed. IMO there is a drop off in value for RBs after DWill so WR/WR makes sense. Though I don't necessarily see it as the 'stud wr' stragety as best value at your pick stragety.

 

I'll add again, that I went with Moss over DWill b/c think they'll decent RB options on 3/4 comeback...same would apply for you.

[Fumbleweed 545]

I'm old. Fumble has the KSB's list, and White Wonder is absent. I will check in at 6:30 A.M..

 

I don't have anything from KSB....a reminder: ALL pick lists sent to me should be sent to THIS e-mail address:

 

kkhollis@sbcglobal.net

[remote controller 143]

You can always send me a list if you want RC

Really kind of hard to leave a list with 2 guys before me. Those two picks could easily force me to go another direction.

[remote controller 143]

Yo, gotta run to a softball game. I will email Fumble my two person list in just a minute.

I wonder where this went??? I'll see you all in the morning.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I don't have anything from KSB....a reminder: ALL pick lists sent to me should be sent to THIS e-mail address:

 

kkhollis@sbcglobal.net

Howdy boys. I sent it to the address that was in the Rules and Draft Order thread pinned at the top.

 

If you know you won't be able to access the Mock board for any given period of time, Please send a list of players to choose from to and Fumbleweed (HollisK@poncacity.k12.ok.us)

 

Oh well, sorry about that, I thought I covered myself. I can pick now. Give me a minute.

[Fumbleweed 545]

Yeah, that e-mail address is from several years ago. Not sure why Mike included it, but it all worked out.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Some people think that because of the Cowboys draft Austin's production will suffer. I actually think the opposite. Single coverage for this dude is like taking candy from a baby. He was one of the top WR's last year and that was with only 9 games of production. Here is what last season over the course of 16 games comes out to:

 

101 receptions, 1,652 yards and 13 touchdowns

 

Now, while I certainly don't project that level of production out of Miles, I do think he may be sorta close to that and end up a top 5 WR this year.

[Fumbleweed 545]

Still, going WR-WR has become entirely palatable in recent years......I think its a peripheral result of the growing RBBC situations across the league....

 

This.

 

RBBC is like a wave sweeping across the league. Four picks to go in Round Two and only ten RBs taken? That is unprecedented in this mock and a reflection of the times to be sure.

[remote controller 143]

Some people think that because of the Cowboys draft Austin's production will suffer. I actually think the opposite. Single coverage for this dude is like taking candy from a baby. He was one of the top WR's last year and that was with only 9 games of production. Here is what last season over the course of 16 games comes out to:

 

101 receptions, 1,652 yards and 13 touchdowns

 

Now, while I certainly don't project that level of production out of Miles, I do think he may be sorta close to that and end up a top 5 WR this year.

The news yesterday that he would play crayton's slot position is what bothers me some. That will hurt his overall production.