**Round Two Commentary**

[KSB2424 3,148]

This.

 

RBBC is like a wave sweeping across the league. Four picks to go in Round Two and only ten RBs taken? That is unprecedented in this mock and a reflection of the times to be sure.

Yeah, I'm a 'best available player' drafter before anything else. In years past that usually led me to two RB's in the first 3 rounds. I went WR/WR this year and didn't set out to do so. It just ended up that way do to the extinction of the Stud RB. That dinasour has bit the dust.

[KSB2424 3,148]

The news yesterday that he would play crayton's slot position is what bothers me some. That will hurt his overall production.

Did you watch football last year? If you did you noticed he was uncoverable. Doesn't matter if he lined up in the X, Y, or Z slots. Plus it's in June during OTA's. That news could change six times in the next three months. You guys over-analyze stuff to much.

[remote controller 143]

Did you watch football last year? If you did you noticed he was uncoverable. Doesn't matter if he is X, Y, or Z in June during OTA's.

 

You guys over-analyze stuff to much.

oh well

 

 

 

 

Night All!

[JScott 20]

Some people think that because of the Cowboys draft Austin's production will suffer. I actually think the opposite. Single coverage for this dude is like taking candy from a baby. He was one of the top WR's last year and that was with only 9 games of production. Here is what last season over the course of 16 games comes out to:

 

101 receptions, 1,652 yards and 13 touchdowns

 

Now, while I certainly don't project that level of production out of Miles, I do think he may be sorta close to that and end up a top 5 WR this year.

 

I'm probably in the minority on Miles but I think he was a one-year-wonder. I think he'll still be a good WR (top 20) but not near the same as last year. I read the 9 games of production in just the opposite way. In those games I remember a number of blown tackles, DBs knocking into each other, etc. freeing Miles for long gains/TDs. That's just what stuck in my head. It wasn't his ability to get free but a lot of mistakes by the defense. And in those non-productive games it showed me that he doesn't have the talent to produce on his own. He needed help (i.e. DB mistakes) to produce. Add the much more talented {rookie} to the mix and Miles supposed move to the slot and his numbers come back to earth IMHO.

[Fumbleweed 543]

Going to bed. Will check in tomorrow morning...

[Clash of the Titans 1]

some late nite post-witching hour thoughts

 

 

chris johnson and ad are probably the safest picks at 1-2....i would take johnson every day of the week............dude is the fastest player i have ever seen in pads and his ability to cut laterally at full speed is incredible...ride him until the wheels fall off in fantasy football

 

im waiting for MJD to have that " injury " after years of pounding...rice's numbers fall back down to earth some this year

 

 

AJ is my # 1 wr

 

i took gore and his two rebuilt knees in a close one over turner........turner offers nothing in the running game while gore is more well-rounded....i predict san fran to win the division this year...i do expect turner to bounce back

 

sjax won't be on any of my rosters this year...he appears to be breaking down.......and the rams will be one of the worst teams in the nfl this year....esp witha rookie qb leading the way

 

i like mendenhall and greene

 

i have fitz right outside the top 10 this year...no #81 and leinart as qb....no thanks...not in the 1st round

 

i see fumbleweed has progressed his drafting a qb early strategy to the 1st round lol

 

manning and wayne were nice value picks

 

not sure about moss this year...he looked bad the 2nd half of last year

 

if jscott wouldn't have taken rogers there...i would have...i have him as the #1 qb this year

 

i agree with jscott about miles....i think 75/800/7

 

i drafted marshall because of his already tremendous stud potential....he has the tools to be the #1 wr this year and " that guy " of this generation.....3 straight 100+ receptions and last year with an average qb getting him the ball....miami paid him bank and he will get plenty of work....i just hope the hip is okay......being the risk-taker i am ....he was tooo hard to pass on......

 

okay more tomorrow

[Vikings4ever 550]

im waiting for MJD to have that " injury " after years of pounding

What pounding? Last year was his first year over 200 carries. Granted, he's had 40+ receptions all 4 years of his career, but he was sharing time with the Fragile one for most of his career.

 

With that, I'm off for the night, sent fumble my list.

[WhiteWonder 2,732]

hope i didnt hold us up, when i left for the city i did not think it would get back to me and figured by the time it did, the overnight rule would apply.

[remote controller 143]

Went with the rookie legs in a good situation. I have 5 or 6 receivers I will be happy with around the corner, but really only 3 backs will fit the bill. I'll have to see how it shakes out. Roddy was my first choice for this pick, then I was gonna grab a back around the corner.

[RLLD 4,215]

Went with the rookie legs in a good situation. I have 5 or 6 receivers I will be happy with around the corner, but really only 3 backs will fit the bill. I'll have to see how it shakes out. Roddy was my first choice for this pick, then I was gonna grab a back around the corner.

 

Nice pick IMHO, appropriate for that spot. More than likely the guy gets the bulk of the carries, the only question is whether or not he stands up to the beating he will take over an 18 week period. I believe that over that time span he may at least get nicked up enough to see a decrease in production, but perhaps he is a top 10 back through the first 10 - 14 weeks.

[remote controller 143]

I think I could email you V4E's next 2 picks!!! lol! The choices he is left with are right up his alley. Dan is a little harder for me to read. Leave me something with meat on it boys!!

[RLLD 4,215]

Leave me something with meat on it boys!!

 

Flirt....

[KSB2424 3,148]

Thought about Matthews at 2.08, but just wasn't ready to pull the trigger on a rookie RB that high. And I love rookie RB's but for every rookie LT2 season there are 20 more that have just average seasons (not 2nd round worthy). But he is in an ideal situation so it could pan out. High Risk / High Reward.

 

Regarding Miles Austin, I watched alot of Cowboy games last year. While he may not prove out as good as "I" expect, he most certainly is not a one year wonder. He passes the eye test. He was uncoverable most of the time regardless of the team, type of defense, or corner assigned to him. I was impressed with his play last season. Not at his numbers in the box score, but actually watching him play the WR postion. And I absolutely love having talented guys on high scoring offensive teams (which I think the Cowboys will be in 2010) What can I say? Maybe if I watched more Falcon games I would have pick Roddy White. He was the guy I was going back and forth with.

 

[Dan 66]

I think I could email you V4E's next 2 picks!!! lol! The choices he is left with are right up his alley. Dan is a little harder for me to read. Leave me something with meat on it boys!!

 

We have some leftover sausage from my son's graduation party . . .

[RLLD 4,215]

We have some leftover sausage from my son's graduation party . . .

 

It was a sausage party eh?

[remote controller 143]

Thought about Matthews at 2.08, but just wasn't ready to pull the trigger on a rookie RB that high. And I love rookie RB's but for every rookie LT2 season there are 20 more that have just average seasons (not 2nd round worthy). But he is in an ideal situation so it could pan out. High Risk / High Reward.

 

Regarding Miles Austin, I watched alot of Cowboy games last year. While he may not prove out as good as "I" expect, he most certainly is not a one year wonder. He passes the eye test. He was uncoverable most of the time regardless of the team, type of defense, or corner assigned to him. I was impressed with his play last season. Not at his numbers in the box score, but actually watching him play the WR postion. And I absolutely love having talented guys on high scoring offensive teams (which I think the Cowboys will be in 2010) What can I say? Maybe if I watched more Falcon games I would have pick Roddy White. He was the guy I was going back and forth with.

 

Austin looked great last year and he did great. They went out and grabbed bryant and jones hasn't cut bait on Williams yet. I hate the fact that a guy who worked as hard as miles did, is now being MOVED from his position. The slot position isn't the place he invisioned he be lining up in this year. I also feel that Witten re-emerges as a force this year. Hell, Austin is better than any wideout on my squad at this point. lol! All jests aside. It comes down to who the Qb has faith in, and the scheme the offense runs. The Cowboys will pile on a bunchof points and you might be sitting on their point man.

[remote controller 143]

We might all be attached to the same ADP site. ......and shame on you Ray!

[RLLD 4,215]

We might all be attached to the same ADP site. ......and shame on you Ray!

 

[JScott 20]

Thought about Matthews at 2.08, but just wasn't ready to pull the trigger on a rookie RB that high. And I love rookie RB's but for every rookie LT2 season there are 20 more that have just average seasons (not 2nd round worthy). But he is in an ideal situation so it could pan out. High Risk / High Reward.

 

Regarding Miles Austin, I watched alot of Cowboy games last year. While he may not prove out as good as "I" expect, he most certainly is not a one year wonder. He passes the eye test. He was uncoverable most of the time regardless of the team, type of defense, or corner assigned to him. I was impressed with his play last season. Not at his numbers in the box score, but actually watching him play the WR postion. And I absolutely love having talented guys on high scoring offensive teams (which I think the Cowboys will be in 2010) What can I say? Maybe if I watched more Falcon games I would have pick Roddy White. He was the guy I was going back and forth with.

 

 

If you watched a lot of DAL games then you must remember this performance against KC... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTUDvCiIDNk

 

He made one very good play to jump inside and take the ball from the defender, besides that a few normal slants and down-and-outs along the sideline. But by far the majority of his yards/TDs were due to awful tackling (or lack of) by KC. Hardly uncoverable. Granted this was just one game but it's the one that sticks in my head.

[RLLD 4,215]

2.11 - RB Jamaal Charles, KC

 

 

meh.......

 

Not sold on him yet, and certainly not sold on the Chiefs giving the running game equal time either. I think he is a decent RB, as a #2, and I also think that unless the Chef's make some SERIOUS strides in their offense, he will likely only perform at a level relegated to #3 RB's.....JMHO

[remote controller 143]

I didn't see him taking Charles. So goes my bold prediction on his next two picks. I see they waived Kolby Smith yesterday, and this is Charles gig. Mike will love the pick, that's for sure!!!

[Fumbleweed 543]

The first two picks on his list were....White and Mathews. So, he may end up not loving the pick, either.

[KSB2424 3,148]

We might all be attached to the same ADP site. ......and shame on you Ray!

I use ADP as a guide to help me forecast my draft. A tool for planning, i.e. if I take a QB here will there be a 2nd tier WR still left to me when it comes back to me the next round? Stuff like that.

 

What I don't do is actually draft players based on ADP. All ADP is, is the current average draft postion from other schmucks just like me. I don't care who they predict or project should be drafted, I rely on myself for that.

 

I'm not saying anyone here does that, but (speaking in generalities) I'm finding more and more folks using ADP almost like their own cheatsheet and just picking in that order. Which baffles me. ADP is a tool to use along with lots of others. It's not the fantasy bible.

[Dan 66]

V4E - I . . . . hate you.

[remote controller 143]

I use ADP as a guide to help me forecast my draft. A tool for planning, i.e. if I take a QB here will there be a 2nd tier WR still left to me when it comes back to me the next round? Stuff like that.

 

What I don't do is actually draft players based on ADP. All ADP is, is the current average draft postion from other schmucks just like me. I don't care who they predict or project should be drafted, I rely on myself for that.

 

I'm not saying anyone here does that, but (speaking in generalities) I'm finding more and more folks using ADP almost like their own cheatsheet and just picking in that order. Which baffles me. ADP is a tool to use along with lots of others. It's not the fantasy bible.

I don't use the ADP soley either, but is is a guide I track, and I believe we are all on one track!

[JScott 20]

I don't use the ADP soley either, but is is a guide I track, and I believe we are all on one track!

 

We're not all using FFT Projections

 

roond

[remote controller 143]

V4E - I . . . . hate you.

That's a little harsh!! He has always been such a great "Big Toe."

[remote controller 143]

We're not all using FFT Projections

 

roond

They do help out greatly when torn between a few choices. "Mike likes the pick so SHUT UP!!"

[RLLD 4,215]

I use ADP as a guide to help me forecast my draft. A tool for planning, i.e. if I take a QB here will there be a 2nd tier WR still left to me when it comes back to me the next round? Stuff like that.

 

What I don't do is actually draft players based on ADP. All ADP is, is the current average draft postion from other schmucks just like me. I don't care who they predict or project should be drafted, I rely on myself for that.

 

I'm not saying anyone here does that, but (speaking in generalities) I'm finding more and more folks using ADP almost like their own cheatsheet and just picking in that order. Which baffles me. ADP is a tool to use along with lots of others. It's not the fantasy bible.

 

 

ADP is useful mainly for the first three rounds, but can also bring value later as a "sanity check".

 

For this mock I use it to gauge how it unfolds against the groupthink elsewhere.

 

In the first three rounds if a pick is within metric of the groupthink ADP then I think we are observing a valid mock. However, if someone decides to go Mathews at #7 overall, then come back with Royal in round 2.....we are clearly observing an outlier, and it would tend to degrade the integrity of the mock as well....thus far I think we are observing a strong mock.

 

The first two rounds, and perhaps the third, almost follow an accepted script. We all know who will likely be taken, and about where, and it pretty much follows our collective logic. Most leagues are won in the later rounds,during the 4-6 span in particular, where that "gut feeling" takes over and we speculate on talent a bit more, find that gem that gives just enough points to drive a team past the others....this can happen later, but is a bit more rare....

 

So....ADP is valuable primarily as a sanity check to help keep the swill and and emotions in check during an actual draft.....its by no means a hard fast rule to follow , to be sure....

[remote controller 143]

ADP is useful mainly for the first three rounds, but can also bring value later as a "sanity check".

 

For this mock I use it to gauge how it unfolds against the groupthink elsewhere.

 

In the first three rounds if a pick is within metric of the groupthink ADP then I think we are observing a valid mock. However, if someone decides to go Mathews at #7 overall, then come back with Royal in round 2.....we are clearly observing an outlier, and it would tend to degrade the integrity of the mock as well....thus far I think we are observing a strong mock.

 

The first two rounds, and perhaps the third, almost follow an accepted script. We all know who will likely be taken, and about where, and it pretty much follows our collective logic. Most leagues are won in the later rounds,during the 4-6 span in particular, where that "gut feeling" takes over and we speculate on talent a bit more, find that gem that gives just enough points to drive a team past the others....this can happen later, but is a bit more rare....

 

So....ADP is valuable primarily as a sanity check to help keep the swill and and emotions in check during an actual draft.....its by no means a hard fast rule to follow , to be sure....

It's incumbent on all of us that ray keeps his job!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

....and I'm just getting a few cheap posts in. Always like to stack'em up in these things!!

[JScott 20]

....and I'm just getting a few cheap posts in. Always like to stack'em up in these things!!

 

You have no shame

[remote controller 143]

You have no shame

none

[KSB2424 3,148]

If you watched a lot of DAL games then you must remember this performance against KC... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTUDvCiIDNk

 

He made one very good play to jump inside and take the ball from the defender, besides that a few normal slants and down-and-outs along the sideline. But by far the majority of his yards/TDs were due to awful tackling (or lack of) by KC. Hardly uncoverable. Granted this was just one game but it's the one that sticks in my head.

Okay? You may be right. That's what makes all this fantasy stuff fun. However one play on one game really doesn't tell us much of anything. The really good WR's make corners look like awful tackers all the time. The Andre Johnsons and Calvin Johnsons make DB's look stupid, it's a consequece of being outclassed by the WR.

 

But maybe you are right, who knows. It will be fun to find out.

[JScott 20]

Okay? You may be right. That's what makes all this fantasy stuff fun. However one play on one game really doesn't tell us much of anything. The really good WR's make corners look like awful tackers all the time. The Andre Johnsons and Calvin Johnsons make DB's look stupid, it's a consequece of being outclassed by the WR.

 

But maybe you are right, who knows. It will be fun to find out.

 

Agreed. We'll see.

[RLLD 4,215]

2.12 - WR Sidney Rice, Minnesota

 

Please elaborate on this one Dan, I would like to hear your thoughts on why you went with Rice here....

[Dan 66]

That's a little harsh!! He has always been such a great "Big Toe."

 

He's a great guy . . . until he took Jamaal Charles. I'm sorry; that was unforgivable.

[JScott 20]

A certain QB has quickly become the linchpin for Dan's team. If he comes back (which I think he will) IMO you see the same #s for AD that you did last season (not from '08) but Rice continues to stay atop the WR 2nd-tier. If said QB does not come back Rice takes a big tumble and AD goes back to '08 numbers.

[Dan 66]

2.12 - WR Sidney Rice, Minnesota

 

Please elaborate on this one Dan, I would like to hear your thoughts on why you went with Rice here....

 

Absolutely.

 

Sidney Rice was fourth in receving yards last year, and added 7 TDs to that total, and frankly, I think he's just beginning his climb to his peak. His QB last year believed him to be one of the best WRs he's ever worked with. That's high praise. I absolutely love his upside, and believe that last year provides a good measure for where he's heading. Am I concerned about the potential QB situation in Minnesota? Yes. I absolutely am. But there is no way that Rice makes it back to me at 4.12, and I think that he's going to have another great year. The timing is right. This isn't a rookie who flashed. This was a third year player who did that, a time that typically indicates a WR maturing.

 

A few others were on my radar (one of whom I took), but I found it hard not to like Rice in a non-PPR set-up. And after Mr. Charles was stolen from me, I decided to secure my WR corps in what could be a typical-looking draft.

[Dan 66]

If you're asking why two from Minnesota . . . that's a fair question . . . and mostly just a brain fart. Though I probably would have done it anyway. If you're expecting players to be consistently productive, then you have to go with that. But JScott's right. Certain decisions by certain players become much more critical to my team's success.

[KSB2424 3,148]

FWIW, I am high on S.Rice as well. I did have Jennings and one other WR rated higher, but he was on my radar at 3.05.

 

I think that no matter the starting QB in Minny he is coming into his own. A certain QB coming back would be the gravy on top, not the linchpin. I think Rice is still on the front end of his career curve and has room to produce even more.