Combos

[tenaciousb 0]

What has everyone's experiences been with Combos? QB/WR or elite TE from the same team. I'm always intrigued by the upside a good combo can give your team. But I also know the downside. I won one of my first titles based on a Warner to Bruce combo. But a recent Eli/Plax collaboration fizzled.

 

There are some excellent possibilities this year with WR's going in Rounds 1 and 2 and the QB for that team slotted in rounds 3 or later. Guys like Brees/Colston , Rivers/Jax, Romo/Austin , Manning/Wayne, Schaub/Johnson, Rodgers/Jennings/Finley , Brady/Moss just to name a few. The temptation will be great in redraft leagues.

[TwentyFourSeven 23]

Schaub is my keeper in a very QB heavy yards league. I'm really hoping to get Johnson. I love the double points and that combo is nice! If you can find a really good one. I like it. If you find a combo that puts up big numbers week in and week out and won't put up a goose egg very often then do it up!

[longlurker 0]

2000 Faulk/Warner combo was the only one that really ever worked out for me. But, I remember losing to the team that had Holt/Bruce the week that we played. It can be really tough on bye weeks. Now I avoid it at all possible cost.

[tanatastic 2,062]

There's no upside or downside to combos and no strategic advantage or disadvantage. U start the guys who u think will get the most points. The fact that they are on the same team is at most just exciting when they connect for a td. Brady to moss td is no different than Brady and colston both scoring for Ur team. Just that it happened all at once is fun and exciting. If moss scores 10 pnts and u have Brady, cool. But if u sat colston and he had 11 pnts then u made the worse start.

[tenaciousb 0]

I'm aware of the downside and the fact you must remove your heart from making the decisions your head knows how to make. But Combos are one of the most fun aspects of this game . I'll always be intrigued by them.

[Boston Three Party 6]

I don't think you should go out of your way really. Rodgers to Jennings (TD speaking) or Warner to Boldin was awful last year.

 

The one true combo that will be easy to snag is Kolb to DJax. If you take DJax first and you're high on Kolb (like I am) that combo should be attainable.

 

So far in mocks I've seen Rodgers to Finley going which could be really good week in/week out. Favre to Rice is one I'd love to lock up too.

 

Ones like Brees to Colston or Rivers to Gates are pointless unless they fall in your lap - ball is spread around too much.

[Vikings4ever 568]

My philosophy has always been not to target combos, and not to avoid them.

 

If you project WRA to have a better year than WRB, there's no reason to take WRB ahead of WRA. Even if you have a QB of A or B.

[Cuse9 131]

A QB/RB combo is almost always bad. You limit yourself to having a great game by both.

 

With that if I had Peyton and was deciding between Reggie Wayne and Roddy White, I would take Wayne based on the combo potential.

[tanatastic 2,062]

A QB/RB combo is almost always bad. You limit yourself to having a great game by both.

 

With that if I had Peyton and was deciding between Reggie Wayne and Roddy White, I would take Wayne based on the combo potential.

 

If you like wayne more, than take wayne, but taking wayne over roddy just cuz of peyton is foolish. They are gonna score what they are gonna score. Lets say that yuo got an extra point for combos, sure there would be strategic decision to make. But as it is,take who u think will score more points. Why is this still having to be debated? Its like 5th grade logic (no offense to you personally, just the topic).

[njacinto 4]

Just my 2 cents...

 

I think QB/RB or even QB/WR1 combos can work pretty well during the season.

 

It's during the playoff season (weeks 14-17) that combos can be thrown off. Towards the end of the season, many variables can cause teams to take out their regulars or even alter the teams usual offensive patterns. During these weeks, the weather can be brutal, opponents are making playoff runs, coach wants to cut their starters minutes, and injuries creep up from the continuous grind.

 

Last year, I beat my opponent because of his "Indy" combo in the final weeks. Combos can get you to the playoffs, but you need depth to really sustain it till the championship game.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Romo to Austin will be silly this year. Just silly.

 

I'm buying.

[PATSSOX 22]

What has everyone's experiences been with Combos? QB/WR or elite TE from the same team. I'm always intrigued by the upside a good combo can give your team. But I also know the downside. I won one of my first titles based on a Warner to Bruce combo. But a recent Eli/Plax collaboration fizzled.

 

There are some excellent possibilities this year with WR's going in Rounds 1 and 2 and the QB for that team slotted in rounds 3 or later. Guys like Brees/Colston , Rivers/Jax, Romo/Austin , Manning/Wayne, Schaub/Johnson, Rodgers/Jennings/Finley , Brady/Moss just to name a few. The temptation will be great in redraft leagues.

 

Last year in one league i went Moss and Brady when i had the 11th pick. I made the playoffs but got knocked out in first round. It was fun especially being a big Patriots fan and i was never out of a game because they hook up for 50 yard bomb it was about a 20 pt swing. But if Brady had bad game i had no shot. I also did not have any luck with my RBs which is really what cost me.

[c9h13no3 0]

Drafting two players on the same team increases your variance, exposing you to extra risk. Sure, Schaub to Andre can have a lot of big games, but if AJ gets injured, then Schaub's numbers will take a hit as well.

 

Generally, I don't go out of my way to avoid drafting two players on the same team, but I probably wouldn't draft two players in the first 3 rounds on the same team. That's just putting a lot of your eggs in one basket.

 

Also, they share the same bye week, so if you had drafted Romo, Felix, and Austin, you'd be out a ton of fantasy production in week 4, and you'd probably lose to any respectable team that week.

 

So if anything, you should have a very slight aversion to taking two guys on the same team, because of the extra risk and roster complications it exposes you to.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Drafting two players on the same team increases your variance, exposing you to extra risk. Sure, Schaub to Andre can have a lot of big games, but if AJ gets injured, then Schaub's numbers will take a hit as well.

 

Generally, I don't go out of my way to avoid drafting two players on the same team, but I probably wouldn't draft two players in the first 3 rounds on the same team. That's just putting a lot of your eggs in one basket.

It can depend on league scoring/setup/payouts. In my biggest money league we spread the money around for different things like Superbowl and top overall scores on the year, but the most money can be had on the weekly overall score. That makes combos very interesting since it can just take one big hookup or 2 between your QB and WR to put you over for the week.

[c9h13no3 0]

Yeah, that is the one possible benefit, but weekly scores are generally a small percentage of the payout. And typically you want your fantasy score to stay at a high, consistent number each week so that you win each week. Really high scores rarely help (because winning by 20 is the same as winning by 100), and scoring low (say, if you had Brady/Moss when they played Carolina last year) is obviously bad. That's obviously why Moreno was more valuable last year than Harrison, because he spread his production out more, and was more consistent.

 

But think of it this way, take this to an extreme and draft everyone on the same team. Draft Romo, Felix, Austin, Dez, Witten. Would your team be better or worse off than drafting Romo, Forte, Calvin Johnson, Johnny Knox, and Brent Celek? Obviously your team would be worse. If Romo gets injured, or they fire their coordinator, or their offensive line goes to crap, your entire season is screwed.

 

So while drafting 2 players on the same team doesn't expose you to the same risks that drafting 5 does, it does increase your risk, and the fluctuations in points that you score per week.

[PackYourNut 47]

Drafting two players on the same team increases your variance, exposing you to extra risk. Sure, Schaub to Andre can have a lot of big games, but if AJ gets injured, then Schaub's numbers will take a hit as well.

 

Generally, I don't go out of my way to avoid drafting two players on the same team, but I probably wouldn't draft two players in the first 3 rounds on the same team. That's just putting a lot of your eggs in one basket.

 

Also, they share the same bye week, so if you had drafted Romo, Felix, and Austin, you'd be out a ton of fantasy production in week 4, and you'd probably lose to any respectable team that week.

 

So if anything, you should have a very slight aversion to taking two guys on the same team, because of the extra risk and roster complications it exposes you to.

 

This is the correct answer. It's just added risk. If you have Peyton and Wayne and Peyton goes down, Wayne will be mediocre. However, if you have drafted a good backup QB, you can still survive and thrive, if you happened to have Moss instead and he is putting up great numbers.

 

I dont see an advantage at all, but I do see potentially more risk.

[Larry David 20]

Carson Palmer to Chad Johnson won my dynasty league championship for me five years ago. They re-captured some of their magic last year but it wasn't anything close to what they did in 2005.

[bull19007 0]

Don't mean to espouse the virtues of other sites but there is a blog article on fantasyfootball.com that addresses this issue. Long story short, based on his research, the writer put forth that combo's tended to be more consistent week to week than other options. One item should be noted, however, his research and hypothesis was based on elite fantasy player combos (Peyton Manning Edge Wayne Harrison Warner Faulk Holt etc...) No correlations were made based on TE's. As far as TE's go, Clark and Gates put up numbers last year comparable to most #2 fantasy WR's or better. I wouldn't hesitate grabbing either to make a combo ahead of of your #3 WR or depending on what's left, your #2 WR.

[pffwc.com 0]

I like the combos if you can hedge your QB/WR with some consistancy in other positions. Last year I had Rodgers and Jennings and that was good when they got hot, but I also had Welker who puts in a very nice 8-10 points per week, every week. If the combo didn't go crazy, then I still had a shot with with my surrounding team.

 

Now if I have Ochocinco instead of Welker, my combo would be very hit or miss because Ochocinco tends to get all his points in just a few games and can be invisible in some.

[gimethedamnball 2]

Combos are basically a boom or bust type risk. I personally like them and have done well over the years:

 

2009 - Schaub/Johnson

2008 - Cutler/Marshall

White/Johnson (played both backs every week as 1 and 2)

 

This year I would have no problem rolling the dice on

 

Brady/Moss

Schaub/johnson

Rodgers/jennings

Manning/wayne

 

Hell I may even consider

 

Ryan/White

Cassel/Bowe

 

For me it adds a little more excitment when your combo connects on a score, especially going into a Monday night game down by 20 points!

[jgcrawfish 232]

There is no right answer here. As pointed out, if you have Schaub and AJ, and AJ goes down, well, you get the double whammy because Schaub's pts are going to level out. However, the only guy to derail what would have been a 4-peat for me in my longtime league did so on the strength of the Brady/Moss combo during their record setting year. He really didn't have much else on his team, but those two carried him consistently. So, I agree, it's boom or bust. Personally, I like to spread it out and try not own too many players from the same team in general. It's better for bye weeks and give more flexibility when setting lineups.

[Smileseers 54]

 

This year I would have no problem rolling the dice on

 

Brady/Moss

Schaub/johnson

Rodgers/jennings

Manning/wayne

 

Hell I may even consider

 

Ryan/White

Cassel/Bowe

 

For me it adds a little more excitment when your combo connects on a score, especially going into a Monday night game down by 20 points!

 

I'm willing to forgo a little more excitement if it reduces my chances of winning the championship. The QB/WR combo has several risks, some already mentioned in this thread.

 

Maroney/Slaton/Grant/Addai/Turner/Charles

 

You better hope that these guys have average to poor games for two or three games in a row,depending on if you get a bye for winning your division during your fantasy playoffs. A great game by one of these guys during your fantasy playoffs often means an average game or less for your QB and WR.

 

You better hope that your QB has good match ups and plays well. Again, for two or three games in a row. You better hope that the team strategy is not to run the ball.

 

I had Moss/Culpepper in their best year. Won my division that year. Vikings had a poor match up in my second round playoffs, and I was bounced. Since then I have watched several teams fail with the QB/WR combo. I have purposely traded in the past Peyton to the team that had Wayne, traded Brady to the team who had Moss.

 

The QB/WR combo is a poison pill to winning it all. I am sure there are exceptions to the rule, but expecting three good games in a row out of your QB and WR on the same team in December is not wise IMO.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Combos are basically a boom or bust type risk. I personally like them and have done well over the years:

 

2009 - Schaub/Johnson

2008 - Cutler/Marshall

White/Johnson (played both backs every week as 1 and 2)

 

This year I would have no problem rolling the dice on

 

Brady/Moss

Schaub/johnson

Rodgers/jennings

Manning/wayne

 

Hell I may even consider

 

Ryan/White

Cassel/Bowe

 

For me it adds a little more excitment when your combo connects on a score, especially going into a Monday night game down by 20 points!

I'd take Romo/Austin over Rodgers/Jennings personally. I think Rodgers spreads it more based on what I saw last year. Jennings definitely did not get the targets Austin did once Austin was starting.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I'm willing to forgo a little more excitement if it reduces my chances of winning the championship. The QB/WR combo has several risks, some already mentioned in this thread.

 

Maroney/Slaton/Grant/Addai/Turner/Charles

 

You better hope that these guys have average to poor games for two or three games in a row,depending on if you get a bye for winning your division during your fantasy playoffs. A great game by one of these guys during your fantasy playoffs often means an average game or less for your QB and WR.

 

You better hope that your QB has good match ups and plays well. Again, for two or three games in a row. You better hope that the team strategy is not to run the ball.

 

I had Moss/Culpepper in their best year. Won my division that year. Vikings had a poor match up in my second round playoffs, and I was bounced. Since then I have watched several teams fail with the QB/WR combo. I have purposely traded in the past Peyton to the team that had Wayne, traded Brady to the team who had Moss.

 

The QB/WR combo is a poison pill to winning it all. I am sure there are exceptions to the rule, but expecting three good games in a row out of your QB and WR on the same team in December is not wise IMO.

I'm not really sure why you listed those RB's.

 

On the flip side......You better hope you don't face the guy with Brady/Moss in the playoffs and they hookup for 3 td's.

 

Unless players have an obvious injury history, you assume they will be playing 16 games. So when you get a combo in the draft, assuming 16 games from each guy, it can be a risk worth taking because the rewards can be great....as mentioned earlier. Cutler/Marshall, Brady/Moss, Schaub/AJ, etc.

[PackYourNut 47]

I'm not really sure why you listed those RB's.

 

On the flip side......You better hope you don't face the guy with Brady/Moss in the playoffs and they hookup for 3 td's.

 

Unless players have an obvious injury history, you assume they will be playing 16 games. So when you get a combo in the draft, assuming 16 games from each guy, it can be a risk worth taking because the rewards can be great....as mentioned earlier. Cutler/Marshall, Brady/Moss, Schaub/AJ, etc.

 

He listed them, because they are the RB's for the teams with the QB/WR combo that were mentioned.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

He listed them, because they are the RB's for the teams with the QB/WR combo that were mentioned.

 

Okay, well Maroney/Slaton/Addai/Grant are all on high powered offenses that throw a lot. I'm doubting that would (or should) scare anyone off from the combos on those teams. Sure a big game by one of these rb's could ruin your playoffs if you own the combo on that team but so could an injury to any player or bad weather or turnovers, etc.

 

Again, it's obviously a risk, but the rewards can be much greater for the team with the combo.

[Chronic Husker 85]

I worry about the processed cheese they have in the middle. I prefer to stick with something simple like corn nuts or chex mix.

 

JMO

[tenaciousb 0]

I worry about the processed cheese they have in the middle. I prefer to stick with something simple like corn nuts or chex mix.

 

JMO

 

 

Combos and Coronas work well together.

[Big Fella 0]

I'm in a keeper league where I will be bringing back Ryan Grant and Aaron Rodgers. I'm also thinking about adding Jermichael Finley early in the draft.

 

I've never loaded up from one team before, but the packers were held under 21 just one time last season, and broke 30 6 times. Rodgers has another year of experience and the o-line is certainly going to be improved.

[PATSSOX 22]

Trying to get some combo's will ruin your team. Like AJ and Schaub. You would have to take AJ in first round and then youd have to reach for Schaub way to early if you wanted to make sure and get the combo. Probably the same thing with Austin and Romo.

 

This year might be a better time to do the Moss and Brady combo. Last year you had to take them in 1st and 2nd rounds. This year if you went Moss at the back end of the 1st round and Brady made it back to you in 3rd or 4th it would not be bad.

 

 

 

What are some nice combo's you can get without having to risk your team or draft someone earlier then you should??

 

Here are some right off the top of my head where you should be able to get both easy and depending on your draft strategy. These are more the combos im gonna target. I tried the Moss and Brady thing in one league last year and did not work great and killed my running backs. Most of these are if you wait to get a QB.

 

-Matt Ryan and Roddy White

 

-Flacco and Boldin

 

-McNabb and Santana Moss

 

-Henne and Brandon Marshall

 

-Leinart and Fitz

 

-Rivers and Malcom Floyd

 

-Aaron Rodgers and Finley

 

-Romo and Witten

[KSB2424 3,153]

As others have mentioned, I don't try to get combos. I just draft the best player available. Now if I'm down to two guys, lets say I know I'm going QB and going back and forth between Rivers and Shaub. Well if I own Andre Johnson then I might pick Shaub as the "combo" was the tie-breaker. It's just a little more fun that way.

 

But other than a "tie-breaker", trying to get specific combos is a bad idea in my opinion. If it works out that way the fine, but don't pigieon hole yourself.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Trying to get some combo's will ruin your team. Like AJ and Schaub. You would have to take AJ in first round and then youd have to reach for Schaub way to early if you wanted to make sure and get the combo. Probably the same thing with Austin and Romo.

 

This year might be a better time to do the Moss and Brady combo. Last year you had to take them in 1st and 2nd rounds. This year if you went Moss at the back end of the 1st round and Brady made it back to you in 3rd or 4th it would not be bad.

 

 

 

What are some nice combo's you can get without having to risk your team or draft someone earlier then you should??

 

Here are some right off the top of my head where you should be able to get both easy and depending on your draft strategy. These are more the combos im gonna target. I tried the Moss and Brady thing in one league last year and did not work great and killed my running backs. Most of these are if you wait to get a QB.

 

-Matt Ryan and Roddy White

 

-Flacco and Boldin

 

-McNabb and Santana Moss

 

-Henne and Brandon Marshall

 

-Leinart and Fitz

 

-Rivers and Malcom Floyd

 

-Aaron Rodgers and Finley

 

-Romo and Witten

In what league is Brady actually going to go in the 3rd or 4th by the time drafts roll around?

 

The combos you mention are cheap, and imo wouldn't make a difference. You need an elite QB who heavily targets an elite WR. With so many changes between 2009 and this off season I see 4 elite QB/WR combos to pick from.

 

AJ - 171 targets or 10.69 per game

Wayne - 149 targets or 9.31 per game

Moss - 138 targets or 8.625 per game

*Austin - 124 targets or 7.75 per game (Did not crack starting lineup until after week 4. In the 12 games after he had 112 targets or 9.33 per game)

 

I'd say Sydney Rice could be in the discussion with a Favre return. I don't think Colston or Jennings get the targets of the elite 4 I mentioned.

 

-Calvin Johnson may be elite but his QB isn't.

-Roddy White's QB isn't elite imo.

-Fitz does not have an elite QB.

-D Jackson may be elite with Kolb but it's a big gamble.

-B Marshall doesn't have an elite QB.

-Boldin doesn't have an elite QB.

-V Jax is suspended and may be out for awhile.

Who else?

 

Call it a hunch but I keep coming back to Romo/Austin this year. I think Romo has a year like he did with TO and could be the #1 overall QB, and he loves throwing to Austin.

[brtdud7 0]

really depends on the players involved. IMO there has to be an elite or at least top QB involved for it to work

 

you could look at vernon davis and say even though he had alex smith, it worked out. but i wouldnt bank on that happening

 

brees/colston, romo/austin/witten, rodgers/jennings/finley, schaub/andre and the like

 

the one thing i try to stay away from, though, is a QB/WR/TE and RB on the same team. no matter how good they are (ex. having brees and pierre thomas), i just always stay away

[PATSSOX 22]

In what league is Brady actually going to go in the 3rd or 4th by the time drafts roll around?

 

 

 

 

I said,

and Brady made it back to you in 3rd or 4th it would not be bad.

 

So if you read that as he will make it back to you in 3rd or 4th round then your reading skills are worse then mine

 

 

click here please Basnight

[jdon 28]

There's no upside or downside to combos and no strategic advantage or disadvantage. U start the guys who u think will get the most points. The fact that they are on the same team is at most just exciting when they connect for a td. Brady to moss td is no different than Brady and colston both scoring for Ur team. Just that it happened all at once is fun and exciting. If moss scores 10 pnts and u have Brady, cool. But if u sat colston and he had 11 pnts then u made the worse start.

 

what you are saying is true, over the long season, HOWEVER, if you league pays out weekly winners I find that it helps to have combos. IT is very common for teams with QB/Wr that go crazy to either win the week or look pretty...

jdon

[WhiteWonder 2,859]

i like cheddar and cracker.

 

never been a fan of the pretzles

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I said,

 

So if you read that as he will make it back to you in 3rd or 4th round then your reading skills are worse then mine

 

wtf? You need to explain how you're really sticking it to me on the reading comp skills here guy.

 

This year if you went Moss at the back end of the 1st round and Brady made it back to you in 3rd or 4th it would not be bad.

 

I questioned that because I don't believe Brady has a chance of falling to the 3rd/4th in any draft.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

what you are saying is true, over the long season, HOWEVER, if you league pays out weekly winners I find that it helps to have combos. IT is very common for teams with QB/Wr that go crazy to either win the week or look pretty...

jdon

Ding-ding

For weekly payout leagues it can be huge. I know, I've made good money, and lost good money because of combos.

[PATSSOX 22]

wtf? You need to explain how you're really sticking it to me on the reading comp skills here guy.

 

 

 

I questioned that because I don't believe Brady has a chance of falling to the 3rd/4th in any draft.

 

 

You basically called me an idiot for saying if Brady made it back around to you in 3rd or 4th round. Instead of saying you doubt he will make it that long you said,

 

In what league is Brady actually going to go in the 3rd or 4th by the time drafts roll around?

 

Your quote translated says, "what kind of BS league are you playing in or bunch of idiots that would allow Brady to still be on the board in the 3rd or 4th round"

 

Alright no more bitchn lets get back to football.

[tenaciousb 0]

Excellent point about having a good combo in a league that pays out a weekly high points bonus. That can make all the difference.