Panel Clears Way for Mosque Near Ground Zero

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

What exactly are you looking for me to say? You've changed your "point" about 30 times in this thread.

 

 

My position has been the same throughout. If you have me posting conflicting positions in this thread please link them.

 

I'm looking for you to answer the simple question:

 

If the purpose of this facility is for outreach the the American public, and to improve the image of islam in America, is it wise for them to thumb their nose at 70% of America?

 

Or would it be wise to make a small concession and say "We understand your position, and we will put the facility elsewhere"

 

Which one do you think will advance their "stated goal" the most?

 

Either answer those questions, or keep spinning........your choice.

[mobb_deep 920]

Mosque one, ground zero.

[FlaHawker 24]

Sure you do. And I have a right to call you on your anti-American bigotry.

Since when is the right to protest anti-American? And there is no bigotry involved.

[Saint Elistan 106]

The only one spinning, RP, is you. As usual.

 

It doesn't matter to you that the plan was announced and publicized 8 months ago and nobody cared. It doesn't matter to you that the property has been used as an overflow mosque for well over a year. It doesn't matter to you that a viciously anti-Muslim blogger, the New York Post and the right-wing media created the controversy out of falsifications. All that matters to you is the majority opinion at the peak of misinformation.

 

And when 70% of the American public is too bigoted or too ignorant to understand what's going on, you're damn straight I think that building Park51 at its current location is the best way to improve relations between Muslims and Non-Muslims in America.

 

Why? Because what's going to happen if it is built? Another run-down building in Manhattan will be turned into something that the community actually needs, the public will see that there really wasn't anything to worry about, and all the fear mongers - both Islamophobes and Al Qaeda - will be proven wrong.

 

Moving locations would be nothing more than an admission of fault. And the people behind Park51 have done nothing wrong nor insensitive.

[MDC 7,564]

Since when is the right to protest anti-American?

 

It's not. But protesting a community center based on nothing but your intolerance of a religion sure is.

[phillybear 366]

The only one spinning, RP, is you. As usual.

 

It doesn't matter to you that the plan was announced and publicized 8 months ago and nobody cared. It doesn't matter to you that the property has been used as an overflow mosque for well over a year. It doesn't matter to you that a viciously anti-Muslim blogger, the New York Post and the right-wing media created the controversy out of falsifications. All that matters to you is the majority opinion at the peak of misinformation.

 

And when 70% of the American public is too bigoted or too ignorant to understand what's going on, you're damn straight I think that building Park51 at its current location is the best way to improve relations between Muslims and Non-Muslims in America.

 

The vast majority of Americans didn't know about the plans. Once the general population found out about the shenanigans, and as more and more facts come out, more Americans oppose the terrorists. So, in essence, you are saying that it's a bad thing for Americans to be informed and it's up to the government to keep shady deals undisclosed.

 

America. Fock, YEAH!!!

[MDC 7,564]

Once the general population found out about the shenanigans, and as more and more facts come out, more Americans oppose the terrorists.

 

[gocolts 300]

The vast majority of Americans didn't know about the plans. Once the general population found out about the shenanigans, and as more and more facts come out, more Americans oppose the terrorists. So, in essence, you are saying that it's a bad thing for Americans to be informed and it's up to the government to keep shady deals undisclosed.

 

America. Fock, YEAH!!!

POW!!!

[FlaHawker 24]

It's not. But protesting a community center based on nothing but your intolerance of a religion sure is.

Link to me saying I am against this mosque because of religion

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Sure you do. And I have a right to call you on your anti-American bigotry.

 

 

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

The only one spinning, RP, is you. As usual.

 

It doesn't matter to you that the plan was announced and publicized 8 months ago and nobody cared. It doesn't matter to you that the property has been used as an overflow mosque for well over a year. It doesn't matter to you that a viciously anti-Muslim blogger, the New York Post and the right-wing media created the controversy out of falsifications. All that matters to you is the majority opinion at the peak of misinformation.

 

And when 70% of the American public is too bigoted or too ignorant to understand what's going on, you're damn straight I think that building Park51 at its current location is the best way to improve relations between Muslims and Non-Muslims in America.

 

Why? Because what's going to happen if it is built? Another run-down building in Manhattan will be turned into something that the community actually needs, the public will see that there really wasn't anything to worry about, and all the fear mongers - both Islamophobes and Al Qaeda - will be proven wrong.

 

Moving locations would be nothing more than an admission of fault. And the people behind Park51 have done nothing wrong nor insensitive.

 

 

Nice job not answering my questions..............again.

[FlaHawker 24]

 

[Saint Elistan 106]

Nice job not answering my questions..............again.

 

What part of...

 

You're damn straight I think that building Park51 at its current location is the best way to improve relations between Muslims and Non-Muslims in America.

 

 

...doesn't answer your question?

[Gepetto 1,386]

What part of...

 

You're damn straight I think that building Park51 at its current location is the best way to improve relations between Muslims and Non-Muslims in America.

 

 

...doesn't answer your question?

 

Oh please. That is Muslim spin. Sure they want to get along with others that they live around and that is fine. But this is a place to worship Allah and teach children the ways of Islam. End of story. Wake up.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

What part of...

 

You're damn straight I think that building Park51 at its current location is the best way to improve relations between Muslims and Non-Muslims in America.

 

 

...doesn't answer your question?

 

Gotcha.

 

So you are on record saying the best way for islam to "outreach" to Americans is to poke a stick in they eye of 70% of them.

 

Great position.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

This is one of the stoopidest issues I've ever heard of. People act like Islam is the only religion to ever produce violent extremists.

 

Timothy McVeigh considered himself a good Christian, so I suppose we shouldn't have any Christian churches in Oklahoma City.

I guess I missed the part where McVeigh claimed that his acts were in the name of Jesus Christ and he was sponsored by hundreds of others just like him and that Christians around the world were dancing in the streets, burning American flags.

 

There are terrorists who have a religion and there are religions that encourage terrorism. I think that we should be focusing on the latter and stop trying to equate it to the former.

[Saint Elistan 106]

Oh please. That is Muslim spin. Sure they want to get along with others that they live around and that is fine. But this is a place to worship Allah and teach children the ways of Islam. End of story. Wake up.

 

People worshiping Allah and teaching people about Islam!? THE HORROR!!!

You're always good for a chuckle or two. Sure you don't want to fess up to being a plant yet?

So you are on record saying the best way for islam to "outreach" to Americans is to poke a stick in they eye of 70% of them.

Precisely. "Spin" it how you like, but the things I said would happen, will happen if/when it's built:

Another run-down building in Manhattan will be turned into something that the community actually needs, the public will see that there really wasn't anything to worry about, and all the fear mongers - both Islamophobes and Al Qaeda - will be proven wrong.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

 

Precisely. "Spin" it how you like, but the things I said would happen, will happen if/when it's built:

Another run-down building in Manhattan will be turned into something that the community actually needs, the public will see that there really wasn't anything to worry about, and all the fear mongers - both Islamophobes and Al Qaeda - will be proven wrong.

 

So you think 70% of America are worried about a run-down building in Manhattan being turned into something? That position is MDC-worthy.

 

The rest is pure speculation on your part.

[Gepetto 1,386]

 

People worshiping Allah and teaching people about Islam!? THE HORROR!!!

You're always good for a chuckle or two. Sure you don't want to fess up to being a plant yet?

 

 

So finally you admit that it's primary focus is the teaching of Islam and not to bridge relations between all people.

[Saint Elistan 106]

So finally you admit that it's primary focus is the teaching of Islam and not to bridge relations between all people.

Read this very slowly as to not hurt yourself. I wouldn't want to see a video of you on the new Hoover Dam thrill ride.

 

The primary way to build relationships between two parties is to educate them about each other so that they can see what they have in common and grow from there.

The primary way to build relationships between two parties is to educate them about each other so that they can see what they have in common and grow from there.

The primary way to build relationships between two parties is to educate them about each other so that they can see what they have in common and grow from there.

The primary way to build relationships between two parties is to educate them about each other so that they can see what they have in common and grow from there.

The primary way to build relationships between two parties is to educate them about each other so that they can see what they have in common and grow from there.

 

That being said, Park51 is not a missionary. It is primarily a community center which has absolutely nothing to do with the separately run Mosque that will be on one of the buildings (13?) floors.

 

* outstanding recreation spaces and fitness facilities (swimming pool, gym, basketball court)

* a 500-seat auditorium

* a restaurant and culinary school

* cultural amenities including exhibitions

* education programs

* a library, reading room and art studios

* childcare services

* a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community

* a September 11th memorial and quiet contemplation space, open to all

http://www.park51.org/facilities.htm

Just like any YMCA or JCC that has a Church or Synagogue on it's premises.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

 

Timothy McVeigh considered himself a good Christian,

 

Um, no he didn't. In fact it was quite the opposite.

 

However, I would love to see the link to your info.

[Saint Elistan 106]

So you think 70% of America are worried about a run-down building in Manhattan being turned into something?

Well they don't seem to worried about the fact that Muslims have held daily prayers at the same location for well over a year now.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Well they don't seem to worried about the fact that Muslims have held daily prayers at the same location for well over a year now.

 

Really? muslims have been holding daily prayers at an abandoned Burlington Coat Factory for over a year?

 

That almost sounds like some sleeper cell.

[FlaHawker 24]

Read this very slowly as to not hurt yourself. I wouldn't want to see a video of you on the new Hoover Dam thrill ride.

 

The primary way to build relationships between two parties is to educate them about each other so that they can see what they have in common and grow from there.

The primary way to build relationships between two parties is to educate them about each other so that they can see what they have in common and grow from there.

The primary way to build relationships between two parties is to educate them about each other so that they can see what they have in common and grow from there.

The primary way to build relationships between two parties is to educate them about each other so that they can see what they have in common and grow from there.

The primary way to build relationships between two parties is to educate them about each other so that they can see what they have in common and grow from there.

 

That being said, Park51 is not a missionary. It is primarily a community center which has absolutely nothing to do with the separately run Mosque that will be on one of the buildings (13?) floors.

 

 

Just like any YMCA or JCC that has a Church or Synagogue on it's premises.

Are you sharia compliant?

[Saint Elistan 106]

Are you sharia compliant?

 

No thanks.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

No thanks.

 

 

Your hero the Imam thinks the US is sharia compliant.

 

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ground-zero-mosque-imam-america-is-%e2%80%9csharia-compliant-state%e2%80%9d.html

[FlaHawker 24]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7721965608959455421#

 

[SUXBNME 1,554]

This thread is 13 pages too long.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

This thread is 13 pages too long.

 

That's what MDC said about the last book he read.

[FlaHawker 24]

That's what MDC said about the last book he read.

Was that the Koran?

[buffalobillsffl2003 0]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7721965608959455421#

 

 

Is that Anne Hutchinson?

[Saint Elistan 106]

Your hero the Imam thinks the US is sharia compliant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmZ0Qmqn3Wo

In that context, is he wrong? Seems pretty agreeable to me.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Seems pretty agreeable to me.

 

 

This is the problem you have demonstrated for 13 pages.

[Saint Elistan 106]

 

What's funny is the verse they specifically cite in that video about cutting off hands actually says this:

[5:38] The thief, male or female, you shall mark their hands as a punishment for their crime, and to serve as an example from GOD. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

[Gepetto 1,386]

In that context, is he wrong? Seems pretty agreeable to me.

 

That's what he wants you to do; agree with him and Sharia law. Wow, you're more gullible than I thought was even possible. It's all lies. Lies...like how Obama got your vote.

[Gepetto 1,386]

What's funny is the verse they specifically cite in that video about cutting off hands actually says this:

[5:38] The thief, male or female, you shall mark their hands as a punishment for their crime, and to serve as an example from GOD. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

 

:vomit:

[Saint Elistan 106]

This is the problem you have demonstrated for 13 pages.

 

I think the problem is that I'm the only person on this damn bored who ever takes the time to research things and quote original sources when I intend to debate a topic.

 

And it was Bob Barr, Gepetto. Though I wouldn't expect you to know who he is.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I think the problem is that I'm the only person on this damn bored who ever takes the time to research things and quote original sources when I intend to debate a topic.

 

 

 

Cool.

 

Why don't you link us up to the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and Sharia Law, and show us where they are the same......

 

 

I'll hang up and listen.

[Saint Elistan 106]

Admit it RP, you read the headline and didn't watch the video. And if you watched the video you didn't hear it. And if you heard it then you sure as hell weren't actually listening.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Admit it RP, you read the headline and didn't watch the video. And if you watched the video you didn't hear it. And if you heard it then you sure as hell weren't actually listening.

 

 

I'm gonna wait for you to compare and contrast our form of Govt to sharie law, since you think they are equal.