This is the type of ###### that makes me suspect pokerstars

[kilroy69 994]

Playing in a 1-2 room I get dealt JJ. I raise..get 3 callers and and all in. I call the all in and the cards are turned over. JJ vs 8 6 off.Low and behold he gets an 8 on the flop and an 8 on the river. Same guy 2 hands later. Same thing. MY AK vs his 3 5 off. Flop comes A 10 7 turn is a 3 river is a 5. I say ###### it and get out but watch as this guy proceeds to play every non standard hand you can and win. He cracked AA with 3 9 off with a preflop all in push. Thats just not realistic. All of these with preflop pushes mind you. Thats the type of ###### that makes me think that somethings not right.

[NorthernVike 2,080]

I see you lost to Giants Fan

[PackYourNut 47]

I see this sh!t all the time, but I dont think it's a flaw as much as it is the table you're playing at. There are so many donkeys playing at 1-2 tables its not even funny... They just dont care... move up to the 5/10 tables or higher if you want more realistic poker.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

I have played local games where guys do that. It's not clairvoyance, it's just that they have too much money, so they see every hand to the river. One game I used to play in had unlimited rebuys, so one guy never folded, and he thought he was a great player for hitting inside straights on the river. I don't play there anymore.

[kilroy69 994]

I see this sh!t all the time, but I dont think it's a flaw as much as it is the table you're playing at. There are so many donkeys playing at 1-2 tables its not even funny... They just dont care... move up to the 5/10 tables or higher if you want more realistic poker.

I understand what you are saying but if you were to watch him play you would think what I was. I watched him go from the table min of 40 to almost to over 400 in about 30 min. Not ONE of his hands was a standard hand. Not one. Throw in the fact that he didnt lose once in the half hour I was there and I suspect some bullshittery.

[PackYourNut 47]

I understand what you are saying but if you were to watch him play you would think what I was. I watched him go from the table min of 40 to almost to over 400 in about 30 min. Not ONE of his hands was a standard hand. Not one. Throw in the fact that he didnt lose once in the half hour I was there and I suspect some bullshittery.

 

Maybe it is... but if it were me and I had a hack for it... I'd be playing at the 100/200 tables and only cheat a few times an hour. You'd make a lot more money.

[kilroy69 994]

Maybe it is... but if it were me and I had a hack for it... I'd be playing at the 100/200 tables and only cheat a few times an hour. You'd make a lot more money.

but you would aslo draw more suspicion I would think. It would be like counter fitting 5's instead of 100's. No one would think to look at a 5 unless it had the pic of capt kangaroo on the front.

[IMMensaMind 459]

but you would aslo draw more suspicion I would think. It would be like counter fitting 5's instead of 100's. No one would think to look at a 5 unless it had the pic of capt kangaroo on the front.

 

 

I agree with you, btw: I've seen too many incredibly unlikely runs with cards that no one sane should be playing there, so I quit playing there.

[kilroy69 994]

 

I agree with you, btw: I've seen too many incredibly unlikely runs with cards that no one sane should be playing there, so I quit playing there.

I have been playing cards for a long time and I understand variance. I know I am not going to win every good hand I have let alone every hand. If it was that way it would be called kilroy wins instead of poker. The problem I have is when I see those unlikely runs with players that are playing not just bad cards but unrealistic cards. Who calls a $40 all in preflop with 3-9 and wins against AA? Thats just not realistic. To go from 40 to 400 in 30 min without playing a single standard hand is a little too suspect for me.

[Gepetto 988]

I have been playing cards for a long time and I understand variance. I know I am not going to win every good hand I have let alone every hand. If it was that way it would be called kilroy wins instead of poker. The problem I have is when I see those unlikely runs with players that are playing not just bad cards but unrealistic cards. Who calls a $40 all in preflop with 3-9 and wins against AA? Thats just not realistic. To go from 40 to 400 in 30 min without playing a single standard hand is a little too suspect for me.

 

If you recorded enough hands and did a probability study you could find the likelihood that it is possible or the likelihood that it is rigged.

[kilroy69 994]

If you recorded enough hands and did a probability study you could find the likelihood that it is possible or the likelihood that it is rigged.

I did a playing history audit and sent them the hand #. I requested that they look at the player and any suspicious betting activity or win%.

[WahooJim 4]

I quit playing online about seven years ago. I still play live tournaments and cash games and consider myself an above-average cash player. I cashed out of Full Tilt after losing 17 consecutive hands with AA. Lost to every variation you can imagine, including 93o calling four-bet $150 raises before the flop. I have no doubt that the online houses get compromised and I'm not sure that the most egregious examples aren't inside jobs on occasion.

[kilroy69 994]

I quit playing online about seven years ago. I still play live tournaments and cash games and consider myself an above-average cash player. I cashed out of Full Tilt after losing 17 consecutive hands with AA. Lost to every variation you can imagine, including 93o calling four-bet $150 raises before the flop. I have no doubt that the online houses get compromised and I'm not sure that the most egregious examples aren't inside jobs on occasion.

Im the same man. I live about 30 min away from a nice casino with a nice card room and try to get up there pretty often for 1/2 games. Nothing happens there that happens online. If you know how to play poker and read people you can make money. You can't play right online and win.

 

Pack I understand what you are saying about the hight limit but man I assure you I have played at the higher limits and its the same. I have played from the .25/.50 level all the way up to the 10/20 and I see ###### on here that just can't be. Its not the level. Its the suspect play and even worse the suspect payoff.

[Greedo 13]

I understand what you are saying but if you were to watch him play you would think what I was. I watched him go from the table min of 40 to almost to over 400 in about 30 min. Not ONE of his hands was a standard hand. Not one. Throw in the fact that he didnt lose once in the half hour I was there and I suspect some bullshittery.

 

There are guys that play that way live too. I watched a guy call $1800 all in preflop (he had made it $300 in a 2/5 game, and got reraised all-in). KK vs. 3-9, and the 3-9 made a full house. Some people are just stupid, or don't care about the money. Prior to that hand, the guy had lost $2k in about an hour. Maybe you just saw this guy's 30 minutes of luck.

 

That said, I always suspect stuff online, as there's been so much cheating exposed there. It's why I won't play higher than 25 cent / 50 cent - play money, just to see hands.

[Riddlen 1]

wait... crooked gambling? unpossible.

[TAS 2]

My .02-I love palying cards, the family knows it. We play a small cash game with the in-laws every so often. I don't play premium hands all the time by I try to keep the game "real" for the most part. Folks who don't play all the time play any 2 cards and have no clue when to dump their hands. They suck out and feel great about doing so...which they should but they miss the point. I continue to play the game the way it should be played, get my money in on the best odds (usually) and if they suck out, they suck out. If I wasn't such a good sport about it, I'd flip the table and take my chips home!

 

I'd much rather play with people who are great at poker and lose, then lose to a bunch of rookies who don't have a clue.

[DanXIII 8]

Playing in a 1-2 room I get dealt JJ. I raise..get 3 callers and and all in. I call the all in and the cards are turned over. JJ vs 8 6 off.Low and behold he gets an 8 on the flop and an 8 on the river. Same guy 2 hands later. Same thing. MY AK vs his 3 5 off. Flop comes A 10 7 turn is a 3 river is a 5. I say ###### it and get out but watch as this guy proceeds to play every non standard hand you can and win. He cracked AA with 3 9 off with a preflop all in push. Thats just not realistic. All of these with preflop pushes mind you. Thats the type of ###### that makes me think that somethings not right.

 

This player you describe sounds a lot like an online player at fulltilt whom Phil Gordon describes in his book, though iirc that guy goes all in after the flop (regardless of his two hole cards). It's supposed to be a nearly unbeatable system, though it requires a really huge stack to pay off, and it doesn't work in tournament play.

 

[PackYourNut 47]

If they were smart enough players, which I doubt then they may just be going with the implied odds theory. However, it is more likely they are just donkeys. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were inside jobs. Hell, I can game the system at home right now with a few computers and some proxies.

[DanXIII 8]

Also, AK = Anna Kournikova: "Looks great but never wins."

 

[kilroy69 994]

Just lost a Q high flush to an inside straight flush draw that hit. Now tell me pokerstars is not full of ######. Thats just not realistic J 9 off wins with a J high straight flush. Im telling you right now I will never play another hand on pokerstars.Its rigged.

[Turducken 0]

This is why I don't bother with online poker anymore. I used to play Party Poker, and I would do well playing my game, I would get up, then I would cash some out since I was winning, and the second I cashed any money out, I would start losing every showdown.

 

There's just no accountability there to make sure you're not being cheated unless you can actually watch the dealer shuffle the deck, and even then...

[kilroy69 994]

This is why I don't bother with online poker anymore. I used to play Party Poker, and I would do well playing my game, I would get up, then I would cash some out since I was winning, and the second I cashed any money out, I would start losing every showdown.

 

There's just no accountability there to make sure you're not being cheated unless you can actually watch the dealer shuffle the deck, and even then...

Im not kidding this is exactly what happened. I took about 3k off over the span of like 2 weeks. Since then its rough for me to win hands that should be hammerlocks. And to a lot of russians.

[Turducken 0]

Im not kidding this is exactly what happened. I took about 3k off over the span of like 2 weeks. Since then its rough for me to win hands that should be hammerlocks. And to a lot of russians.

Ya, I think the trigger is when you cash out money. They don't want people to cash out, obviously, so they send the shills after you.

[nobody 2,043]

Just lost a Q high flush to an inside straight flush draw that hit. Now tell me pokerstars is not full of ######. Thats just not realistic J 9 off wins with a J high straight flush. Im telling you right now I will never play another hand on pokerstars.Its rigged.

 

 

You obviously pissed off the site administrators. maybe you can just apologize and ask them nicely to turn off the doom switch.

[Cdub100 3,381]

Come on people would NEVER cheat when it comes to gambling.

[kilroy69 994]

You obviously pissed off the site administrators. maybe you can just apologize and ask them nicely to turn off the doom switch.

I am just saying I am seeing increasingly more suspicious payoffs to nonstandard hands. I always say I dont mind losing at cards. I just dont like feeling like I just got set up and ######. I had a call 2 days ago. MY AK. All in preflop to a raiser...another guy comes out of nowhere to go all in over me. K 5 suited. He catches a river flush. I mean get real. In what world is that an all in hand with 1 raiser and 1 all in after him? But there again the non standard play with the nonstandard hand just "Happens to pay off". Im not saying ps is doing this. I think someone either has exploited a flaw that allows them to either see your hole cards or see the results ahead of time to the full 5 cards. Had a friend JUST LAST NIGHT respond to my post about losing with a high flush to a straight flush and sent me a screencap of him losing the nut flush on the flop to a straight flush on the river. Wonder how many straight flushes they average a night?

[IronToe Nedney 0]

Variance Kilroy. It happens. Right out the bad swings on the lower stakes.

[kilroy69 994]

Variance Kilroy. It happens. Right out the bad swings on the lower stakes.

I completely understand variance. But these moves and subsequent payoffs to me can't be chalked up to that.

[IronToe Nedney 0]

I completely understand variance. But these moves and subsequent payoffs to me can't be chalked up to that.

 

There are guys on 2+2 who have tracked millions of hands, it's legit. Bad beats happen. If you're a good player like GFIAP you'll ride out the bad swongs.

[nobody 2,043]

I am just saying I am seeing increasingly more suspicious payoffs to nonstandard hands. I always say I dont mind losing at cards. I just dont like feeling like I just got set up and ######. I had a call 2 days ago. MY AK. All in preflop to a raiser...another guy comes out of nowhere to go all in over me. K 5 suited. He catches a river flush. I mean get real. In what world is that an all in hand with 1 raiser and 1 all in after him? But there again the non standard play with the nonstandard hand just "Happens to pay off". Im not saying ps is doing this. I think someone either has exploited a flaw that allows them to either see your hole cards or see the results ahead of time to the full 5 cards. Had a friend JUST LAST NIGHT respond to my post about losing with a high flush to a straight flush and sent me a screencap of him losing the nut flush on the flop to a straight flush on the river. Wonder how many straight flushes they average a night?

 

I read somehwere that the randomizer doesn't even start crunching until after everyone has acted. I suppose if someone cracked their randomizer (since randomizers aren't actually random), and then wrote a program to click a button right at the right time, they could theroretically predict the cards in an all-in situation. I can't imaigne the type of genius and number crunching it would take to pull that off though.

[DanXIII 8]

There are guys on 2+2 who have tracked millions of hands, it's legit. Bad beats happen. If you're a good player like GFIAP you'll ride out the bad swongs.

 

I lol'd

 

[LOD01 191]

Playing in a 1-2 room I get dealt JJ. I raise..get 3 callers and and all in. I call the all in and the cards are turned over. JJ vs 8 6 off.Low and behold he gets an 8 on the flop and an 8 on the river. Same guy 2 hands later. Same thing. MY AK vs his 3 5 off. Flop comes A 10 7 turn is a 3 river is a 5. I say ###### it and get out but watch as this guy proceeds to play every non standard hand you can and win. He cracked AA with 3 9 off with a preflop all in push. Thats just not realistic. All of these with preflop pushes mind you. Thats the type of ###### that makes me think that somethings not right.

 

######. At that site, in tourneys, I can call the cards that come out once someone calls an all in. Big stack calls with dogshit. Guaranteed to hit the miracle and get rid of the short stack. That short stack is doing the jews that own the site, no good just sitting there spinning his wheels. They need him entering anotehr tourney as fast as possible.

 

Tried it myself as the big stack calling with total trash agaisnt an obviosuly better hand ( I mean I had ######). Then I called the cards to come.

[Giants Fan 85]

In the tourney I played in last night, I made a couple huge bluffs that I am sure would not have worked online. I also took a pretty sick bad beat, where the guy didn't realize I had raised and his KJ was all in against my AJ ... rivered a K. That was a 30k hand.

 

We end up chopping at 10 and I took 3rd in points.

 

Playing online sucks in comparison to playing at a casino.

[Mephisto 15]

Never have, never will play online poker with real money EVER. An already shady gambling game in the wild west of the internets? Are you focking kidding me? Pokerstars logo should be some creepy guy in a bad suit wearing a derby selling a body of "cures all ills" elixir.