why wont obama show his birth certificate

[penultimatestraw 473]

you missed the point

 

swing vote = people who respond to shock politics = mouth breathers

Do you find the birther "controversy" shocking?

[DankNuggs 305]

Sorry, changed to inductive. Clearly an activist character lubricates the slippery slope from diploma and birth certificate-forging, missile-peddling, homeless drug mule Islamic prostitute to POTUS. We really need to background check our candidates.

honestly...Imagine if we weren't in a financial crisis? Do you have any idea how extreme that dude would have gone? He passed healthcare in the midst of a mini depression. Its actually kind of funny. Cap N Trade? full amnesty for illegals? and thats only what was on the table.

[nikki2200 4]

you missed the point

 

swing vote = people who respond to shock politics = mouth breathers

 

 

Of course. There is no other logical explanation. Like perhaps there are people out there who pay attention to the candidates and the issues and vote for who they think is better for the job, instead of just blindly following a party. That would be ridiculous.

[DankNuggs 305]

Do you find the birther "controversy" shocking?

i find it ironic.

[DankNuggs 305]

Of course. There is no other logical explanation. Like perhaps there are people out there who pay attention to the candidates and the issues and vote for who they think is better for the job, instead of just blindly following a party. That would be ridiculous.

like all those issues and promises Obama made in the run up of 'the great deception'

[penultimatestraw 473]

i find it ironic.

It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a long form.

[DankNuggs 305]

It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a long form.

An old man turned ninety-eight

He won the lottery and died the next day

It's a black fly in your Chardonnay

It's a death row pardon two minutes too late...

[nikki2200 4]

like all those issues and promises Obama made in the run up of 'the great deception'

 

 

You mean.... politicians make promises they can't or don't end up keeping while campaigning? The horror.

 

Out of curiosity.... what did he lie about... He said he was going to raise taxes, he said he was going to create stimulus packages worth 100s of billions of dollars, he said he was going to put forth a universal health care bill, he said he was going to initiate a surge in Afghanistan. Everything he's doing is what he said he was going to do, and the American people voted for him. Or maybe you weren't paying attention because you already had your candidate decided. That I can understand. Why waste time if your vote is already determined?

 

If you are referring to the propaganda that the economy was going to turn around on a dime once he was elected, anyone who knows anything about economics knew that wasn't possible. We were in way too deep to get out any time soon. And I doubt we would be in any better shape now regardless of who was in office.

 

He won. Get over it. The American public elected him. And a big reason was because they had enough of the bullshiat from the repubs. End of story. And there's a great chance he will be re-elected unless the republican party comes up with a candidate that isn't better suited for The Surreal Life than the presidency (sorry MDC I stole that from you, but that made me laugh).

[DankNuggs 305]

You mean.... politicians make promises they can't or don't end up keeping while campaigning? The horror.

 

Out of curiosity.... what did he lie about... He said he was going to raise taxes, he said he was going to create stimulus packages worth 100s of billions of dollars, he said he was going to put forth a universal health care bill, he said he was going to initiate a surge in Afghanistan. Everything he's doing is what he said he was going to do, and the American people voted for him. Or maybe you weren't paying attention because you already had your candidate decided. That I can understand. Why waste time if your vote is already determined?

 

If you are referring to the propaganda that the economy was going to turn around on a dime once he was elected, anyone who knows anything about economics knew that wasn't possible. We were in way too deep to get out any time soon. And I doubt we would be in any better shape now regardless of who was in office.

 

He won. Get over it. The American public elected him. And a big reason was because they had enough of the bullshiat from the repubs. End of story. And there's a great chance he will be re-elected unless the republican party comes up with a candidate that isn't better suited for The Surreal Life than the presidency (sorry MDC I stole that from you, but that made me laugh).

he was going to close guantanamo, he was going to 'cross the aisle', he was going to run the most transparent administration in history.

 

Currently, apparently he thinks he's 'winning the future' ...I'm presuming this is a Charlie Sheen reference. Sadly it will also likely end with the hookers leaving him and the economy ending up face down in a bowl of cocaine and cheerios.

[Voltaire 5,491]

I would conted that swing voters swing because neither party represents their interest.

 

To be a Republican there are a slate of things that pretty all of their candidates have to embrace. To be a Dem, it's similar but there is less ideological purity and more wiggle room there.

 

Swing voters agree with the GOP on some things and wit hthe Dems on others and depending on the political climate of any given election season, different priorities come to the forefront.

[nikki2200 4]

I would conted that swing voters swing because neither party represents their interest.

 

To be a Republican there are a slate of things that pretty all of their candidates have to embrace. To be a Dem, it's similar but there is less ideological purity and more wiggle room there.

 

Swing voters agree with the GOP on some things and wit hthe Dems on others and depending on the political climate of any given election season, different priorities come to the forefront.

 

 

You are clearly misinformed. They are people who vote based on whoever has the cutest tie on.

 

Once again, you are correct Voltaire. Both the extreme left and the extreme right are the minority in this country. Albeit a very loud minority. And most normal people land somewhere in between and depending what they deem important at the time, they will sway one way or the other.

[DankNuggs 305]

\depending what they deem important at the time, they will sway one way or the other.

= shock politics

[IGotWorms 4,063]

he was going to close guantanamo, he was going to 'cross the aisle', he was going to run the most transparent administration in history.

 

You're right about Gitmo--that is a promise he did not keep. Otherwise I'd say he has governed largely as he said he would. Yes some more bipartisanship would have been nice, but do you really think the Republicans ever had any intention of working with him? They want him to be a one-term President.

[IMMensaMind 462]

So when Obama won NC and VA in this most recent election, they were typical swing states? And if this small group of districts with all these uninformed, lazy, fat, dumb people in them decide all the elections, why are the "swing states" AKA states with less than a 5% differential in votes different every year? Things that make you go hmmmm.....

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._swing_states

 

Alls I know is I live in a typical swing state, I am neither uniformed nor lazy nor dumb, and I choose to do with my vote what I want to without being held to some hard and fast rule because I believe in one party unequivocally without being able to think for myself.

 

Also I guess if you are in favor of this reform in our electoral process, you think Al Gore should have won in 2000 because he actually received the majority of the popular vote? Or in that case were the wishes of the American people being accounted for appropriately because it agreed with what you wanted?

 

The arrogance with which he spews this shiit is unbelievable.

 

Nearly every post you asinine leftists deliver is directed at me personally. Are you so weak as to be unable to actually just defeat the point, instead of having to turn me into something I'm not?

 

You don't understand the point, but you keep (arrogantly) flapping your gums like you do. A swing state aren't "swing voters".

 

Swing states are states that are considered so closely divided between Republicans and Democrats that they could go either Red or Blue, depending upon the election. I'm from a (formerly) swing state: Wisconsin. Wisconsin just swung hard Red.

 

Swing Voters are individuals that swing in the breeze because they have no real solid principles; generally aren't educated on politics, but have as much a vote as anyone else.

 

HTH

[Voltaire 5,491]

I tend to agree with conservatives on spending cuts, education reform, affirmative action, crime/punishment, tort reform and other issues. I tend to agree with liberals on taxes, foreign policy, church/state, banking regulation and others. I split the difference on energy policy, regulations, health care, environmental protection, and social issues.

 

On any given issue I sometimes side with the GOP and sometimes with the Dems. Neither party appeals to me, but some individual members in each party do appeal to me. I keep my options open.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I tend to agree with conservatives on spending cuts, education reform, affirmative action, crime/punishment, tort reform and other issues. I tend to agree with liberals on taxes, foreign policy, church/state, banking regulation and others. I split the difference on energy policy, regulations, health care, environmental protection, and social issues.

 

On any given issue I sometimes side with the GOP and sometimes with the Dems. Neither party appeals to me, but some individual members in each party do appeal to me. I keep my options open.

 

According to Mensa, you're the dumbest guy on the planet. And we know that he must be right because, you know, he's in Mensa and everything.

[IMMensaMind 462]

According to Mensa, you're the dumbest guy on the planet. And we know that he must be right because, you know, he's in Mensa and everything.

 

I don't suppose you want to be honest about the topic and cede that I made a blanket statement about a large group of people and explained that exceptions exist, do you?

 

Nah. Didn't think so.

 

Carry on with your faucet-ass idiocy, then...

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I don't suppose you want to be honest about the topic and cede that I made a blanket statement about a large group of people and explained that exceptions exist, do you?

 

Nah. Didn't think so.

 

Carry on with your faucet-ass idiocy, then...

 

Oh, I see--so Voltaire is one of these exceptions to your broad statement that swing voters shouldn't be allowed to vote! Well I'm sure he is very relieved that you have granted him a reprieve. How terrible it would have been if he were forever relegated to the dumpster bin of voters unworthy in Mensa's mind.

[IMMensaMind 462]

Oh, I see--so Voltaire is one of these exceptions to your broad statement that swing voters shouldn't be allowed to vote!

 

You keep just making sh!t up. Nowhere did I ever say anything like this. I made a statement of fact; nothing more. I said nothing about stopping such people from voting. I would be in favor of removing voting priviledges from non-taxpayers/non-property owners, however.

 

Well I'm sure he is very relieved that you have granted him a reprieve. How terrible it would have been if he were forever relegated to the dumpster bin of voters unworthy in Mensa's mind.

 

You're an idiot. Learn to read.

[Me_2006 14]

[Voltaire 5,491]

According to Mensa, you're the dumbest guy on the planet. And we know that he must be right because, you know, he's in Mensa and everything.

 

IMM often goes too far.

 

Here's something from November 2010 that illustrates how IMM and I see things differently in regards to idiot voters. Last November, both IMM and I were hoping that Joe Miller, the Tea Party-backed, Sarah Palin-endorsed Republican would win the Alaska Senate race against the write-in crooked incumbent candidate, Lisa Murkowski. It was a pretty close race but unfortunately, Murkowski seemed to have won with a comfortable enough margin.

 

Now Lisa Murkowski has a rather difficult name to spell and plenty of mistakes occurred on her write-in ballots. Miller filed a lawsuit to have the improperly filled out ballots thrown out. I saw this as a backdoor way to steal a lost election and even though I wanted Miller to win, I found this strategy ethically dubious. IMM though, sided with Miller. He had no hesitation to call for any misspellings or ballots with stray marks should not be included in the total. No doubt, 99% of these ballots would be Murkowski ballots. Finding enough of them would mean throwing the election to Miller.

[The Next Generation 11]

I would be in favor of removing voting priviledges from non-taxpayers/non-property owners, however.

 

Non-taxpayers, maybe, but non-property owners? I don't get that at all.

[NewbieJr 541]

Non-taxpayers, maybe, but non-property owners? I don't get that at all.

It's an elitist viewpoint. An certainly not a surprising onme coming from a pompous tool like Mensa. A way of trying to get the politicians elected who benefit the wealthy. Thus further enhancing their priveledged lifstyle and giving the unfortunate less of a voice. Not to imply that every homeowner is wealthy, but by eliminating all the renters, you're making a ton of non-wealthy people irrelevent. All part of the master plan of the fortunate.

[KSB2424 3,173]

This topic may have been the straw that broke the camels back for me. I can't even watch the news anymore. I used to enjoy politics and current events dealing with our government, campaigns, etc. I despise it now.

 

I hate Sarah Palin: Just go away already.

I hate Donald Trump: Dude, really? You're making a mockery of this stuff.

I hate Obama: Just focking show the long form Birth Certificate for crying out loud. I mean fock! For nothting else than to end this thread.

I hate Biden: Nice mullet doofus.

I hate everybody.

[nikki2200 4]

You keep just making sh!t up. Nowhere did I ever say anything like this. I made a statement of fact; nothing more. I said nothing about stopping such people from voting. I would be in favor of removing voting priviledges from non-taxpayers/non-property owners, however.

 

You're an idiot. Learn to read.

 

You said that the people that don't hold fast to a political party are not quallified to vote. And it was 10% of the population.

 

Wikipedia:

In United States presidential politics, a swing state (also, battleground state or purple state) is a state in which no single candidate or party has overwhelming support in securing that state's electoral college votes. Such states are targets of both major political parties in presidential elections, since winning these states is the best opportunity for a party to gain electoral votes. Non-swing states are sometimes called safe states, because one candidate has strong enough support that he or she can safely assume that he or she will win the state's votes.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Swing_state

 

And they change every election:

http://en.wikipedia....S._swing_states

 

According to the 2010 Gallup study, 35% of Americans consider themselves moderates and not either liberal or conservative.

http://www.gallup.co...e-states.aspx#2

 

World English Dictionary:

moderate

n 4. a person who holds moderate views, esp in politics

 

 

 

 

 

People respond to you because you say assinine shiit. Not because you are notorious. hth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[drobeski 3,061]

This topic may have been the straw that broke the camels back for me. I can't even watch the news anymore. I used to enjoy politics and current events dealing with our government, campaigns, etc. I despise it now.

 

I hate Sarah Palin: Just go away already.

I hate Donald Trump: Dude, really? You're making a mockery of this stuff.

I hate Obama: Just focking show the long form Birth Certificate for crying out loud. I mean fock! For nothting else than to end this thread.

I hate Biden: Nice mullet doofus.

I hate everybody.

Except black male professional athletes ?

[IMMensaMind 462]

You said that the people that don't hold fast to a political party are not quallified to vote. And it was 10% of the population.

 

I did? Show me where I said that. Not what you turned what I said in to, but where I said that.

 

itsatip: I never said that; you're doing what you always do. Feel free to also retract your dumb statement extrapolating swing voters to mean swing states, btw.

[IMMensaMind 462]

Non-taxpayers, maybe, but non-property owners? I don't get that at all.

 

I am in favor of eliminating voting for non-property owners who are non-tax paying.

[nikki2200 4]

The shame of it is that the 10% of Americans that determine nearly every election is the same 10% least qualified to do so.

[nikki2200 4]

I am in favor of eliminating voting for non-property owners who are non-tax paying.

 

 

So the people who don't work, don't own property, and don't buy anything, because every time I go to the store and buy something I get taxed on it. Or does sales tax not count?

[The Next Generation 11]

I am in favor of eliminating voting for non-property owners who are non-tax paying.

 

Ah...what about non-tax paying property owners? Why the distinction?

[IMMensaMind 462]

Ah...what about non-tax paying property owners? Why the distinction?

 

You're talking about deductions allowing such a thing. That's different for me: the only way one has deductions to offset gains is through expenditures on property, which means that they're involved in the process and have much to gain or lose.

[IMMensaMind 462]

So the people who don't work, don't own property, and don't buy anything, because every time I go to the store and buy something I get taxed on it. Or does sales tax not count?

 

That is true of foreigners who buy something here too. So...no. Your puny sales taxes aren't enough to gain you a vote.

 

Oh, and BTW: saying

 

The shame of it is that the 10% of Americans that determine nearly every election is the same 10% least qualified to do so.

 

Is not the same thing as saying:

 

You said that the people that don't hold fast to a political party are not quallified to vote. And it was 10% of the population.

 

That was your syphilis addled skull making sh!t up again.

[nikki2200 4]

That is true of foreigners who buy something here too. So...no. Your puny sales taxes aren't enough to gain you a vote.

 

 

So what about stay at home moms that don't work and their husbands earn all the money so technically they bought the property. Are they allowed to vote?

[DankNuggs 305]

I would be in favor of removing voting priviledges from non-taxpayers/non-property owners, however.

 

 

 

Outrageous and reeks of the same kind of liberal elitism you despise.

[DankNuggs 305]

A way of trying to get the politicians elected who benefit the wealthy.

You realize benefitting the wealthy = govt getting out of their hair

 

Benefitting the poor = free cupcakes...

 

 

They are different things.

 

 

The schtick is to pretend that potential taxes that aren't levied are saving the wealthy money... That perspective is that all money created is govt $, and the govt simply allows people to keep certain % of it as they see fit.... You realize how F-ed up that is.

[NewbieJr 541]

You realize benefitting the wealthy = govt getting out of their hair

 

Benefitting the poor = free cupcakes...

 

 

They are different things.

 

 

The schtick is to pretend that potential taxes that aren't levied are saving the wealthy money... That perspective is that all money created is govt $, and the govt simply allows people to keep certain % of it as they see fit.... You realize how F-ed up that is.

Certain politicians protect the interest of the wealthy more than others. If elitists like Immensa can eliminate more and more non-wealthy people, their chances of always having tax breaks and loopholes increases greatly. That's what Immensa and anyone else who supports his stance is shooting for.

[drobeski 3,061]

Certain politicians protect the interest of the wealthy more than others. If elitists like Immensa can eliminate more and more non-wealthy people, their chances of always having tax breaks and loopholes increases greatly. That's what Immensa and anyone else who supports his stance is shooting for.

Do you work for a poor guy ?

[NewbieJr 541]

Do you work for a poor guy ?

Nope. I'm sure he does just fine. Please explain how that is relevant to me thinking it's assenine to eliminate voting priviledges for those who don't own property.

[Phurfur 70]

Certain politicians protect the interest of the wealthy more than others. If elitists like Immensa can eliminate more and more non-wealthy people, their chances of always having tax breaks and loopholes increases greatly. That's what Immensa and anyone else who supports his stance is shooting for.

 

It is a really stupid idea to attach your star to the poor at the expense of the rich. Since Obama is going for class warfare I choose to be on the side of the rich. A poor man has never done anything for me. I say cut the taxes of the rich and make the poor pay "their fair share".