why wont obama show his birth certificate

[cbfalcon 827]

[NewbieJr 541]

People who question when there is a lack of evidence are precisely the type of people we need in govt. Trump was absolutely right to raise the question when the details are clearly sketchy. It is the administrations responsibility to answer questions and be transparent. they have failed to do so, amongst many many other things.

Because in order to win the Presidency, you need the vote of the 50% of people who aren't political lunatics attached to a specific party. 25% will vote Democrat no matter what. 25% wil vote Republican, no matter what. But, it's the other 50% that decides who the President will be. And if some radical lunatic decides to run based on some totally irrelevent issue that makes him sound like a lunatic conspiracy theorist, he has absolutely ZERO chance of winning in 2012.

 

I guarantee Obama and the Democrats are praying that one of the birthers is the Republican's choice to go against Obama in the election.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Because in order to win the Presidency, you need the vote of the 50% of people who aren't political lunatics attached to a specific party. 25% will vote Democrat no matter what. 25% wil vote Republican, no matter what. But, it's the other 50% that decides who the President will be. And if some radical lunatic decides to run based on some totally irrelevent issue that makes him sound like a lunatic conspiracy theorist, he has absolutely ZERO chance of winning in 2012.

 

I guarantee Obama and the Democrats are praying that one of the birthers is the Republican's choice to go against Obama in the election.

 

Clinton was elected twice with less than 50% of the vote.

[DankNuggs 305]

Because in order to win the Presidency, you need the vote of the 50% of people who aren't political lunatics attached to a specific party. 25% will vote Democrat no matter what. 25% wil vote Republican, no matter what. But, it's the other 50% that decides who the President will be. And if some radical lunatic decides to run based on some totally irrelevent issue that makes him sound like a lunatic conspiracy theorist, he has absolutely ZERO chance of winning in 2012.

 

I guarantee Obama and the Democrats are praying that one of the birthers is the Republican's choice to go against Obama in the election.

Its a moot point regardless... Half a dozen states will have laws on the books requiring transparancy that would have ended the debate from the start... Unfortunately for Obama he is going to need to defend his record as opposed to defending the fact he is an american...

 

I'm sure he's hoping he can just spend his time ignoring his record and poking at birthers...

[Voltaire 5,491]

It all revolves around the term natural born citizen, which is explicitly stated in the constitution. For a guy who'd clearly like to think he's intellectually superior, you don't understand that interpretations of words in contracts and such are very very important. In fact, in most contracts i deal with, there is a section called "definitions" which is important for when people are trying to figure out situations like this...

 

If you dive into the historical context of that defintion within the house you'll find some interesting conclusions.

 

I'm putting my head on the chopping block and waiting anxiously with a big smile on my face for you to lop it off. You need the axe. Why don't you go ahead and find the definition for me. Don't expect me to waste my time looking for something that I know doesn't exist. You can win, not just the argument with me on a third rate FF forum, but actually get Obama booted from office. Victory is within your reach. All you need is the definition.

[nikki2200 4]

Clinton was elected twice with less than 50% of the vote.

 

I believe Newbie was referring to the half of the country that doesn't vote strictly party line. Like the moderates. I'm not sure it is 50, but we're the ones that decide elections. And anyone running on a lunatic conspiracy theory platform will most likely not get our votes.

[cbfalcon 827]

People who question when there is a lack of evidence are precisely the type of people we need in govt.

 

I agree 100%.

 

But when choosing things to think critically about and question, that is when I shall judge one's logic and intellect.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Obama being born outside the U. S. would be the least damaging thing he's done to this country since birth.

[Voltaire 5,491]

I believe Newbie was referring to the half of the country that doesn't vote strictly party line. Like the moderates. I'm not sure it is 50, but we're the ones that decide elections. And anyone running on a lunatic conspiracy theory platform will most likely not get our votes.

 

I don't like Obama. I don't like insulting people who post here. Not only that, I actually like the people I'm insulting. I think of them as friends.

 

But here I am doing what I'm doing because some people need a slap upside the focking head to wake up. 'Birther' is a poison issue. It's a non-sense position. It's a ridiculous position and I will continue to give it the ridicule it deserves. And hopefully people will realize that and stop arguing it and move along to a real issue. I don't want the GOP nominee to have to kiss birther ass to win the nomination because if they do, that means they've jumped the shark.

 

Obama was born in Hawaii. He's shown his birth certificate and the accuracy of it has been confirmed by the relevant officials of state of Hawaii as well as by the Republican governor. But even if he was born in Kenya, which he wasn't but for sh*ts and giggles let's give that massive freebie to the Birthers, he's still eligable to run for president as a natural born citizen unless they are also going to argue that he wasn't pulled out of Ann Dunham's crotch.

[IMMensaMind 462]

I don't like Obama. I don't like insulting people who post here. Not only that, I actually like the people I'm insulting. I think of them as friends.

 

But here I am doing what I'm doing because some people need a slap upside the focking head to wake up. 'Birther' is a poison issue. It's a non-sense position. It's a ridiculous position and I will continue to give it the ridicule it deserves. And hopefully people will realize that and stop arguing it and move along to a real issue. I don't want the GOP nominee to have to kiss birther ass to win the nomination because if they do, that means they've jumped the shark.

 

Obama was born in Hawaii. He's shown his birth certificate and the accuracy of it has been confirmed by the relevant officials of state of Hawaii as well as by the Republican governor. But even if he was born in Kenya, which he wasn't but for sh*ts and giggles let's give that massive freebie to the Birthers, he's still eligable to run for president as a natural born citizen unless they are also going to argue that he wasn't pulled out of Ann Dunham's crotch.

 

I don't know if I like you, or consider you a friend (takes more than that for me), but I certainly respect you.

 

I'm telling you that the NBC issue with two parents is not a made-up issue. I'm telling you that the information you seek is at the link I provided. All you have to do is search the forum there to see the posts which clearly apply the NBC requirements differently as circumstances warrant. What that means is that this issue is extremely fuzzy.

 

What I'm also telling you is that what was posted on PolitiFact has reason to be questioned; that plenty of evidence exists to question it; that the artifacts that appeared on PolitiFact's pictures of Obama's COLB immediately raised suspicion due to EXIF data embedded in the picture, and the odd (photochopped) artifacts that appeared, and that PolitiFact then reposted a compressed version of that pics they initially posted without the EXIF data.

 

All of these activities, and countless other inconsistencies (including Obama's own blocking of public access to his full information, including other records of his life) make this a topic which justifies continued pursuit. Why am I not a birther? I actually suspect that he was born in Hawaii, but what I also suspect is that there is some SUBSTANTIAL being hidden by his refusal to come clean, and whatever that is, it is being obfuscated through his birth records.

 

My alarm bells are going off because too much of this is creating smoke for there not to be a fire somewhere. I can see through the inconsistencies of the birther stories wrt Kenya (and some other issues); that does not ameliorate Obama or any of his cronies (or places like PolitiFact) from possible blame or wrongwrong.

 

I smell a rat; this is taking some digging. Like Nuggs said, the next election cycle should prove to be rather interesting, as - if there is something very damaging to Obama being hidden - it is likelier to be exposed then, due to a more complete vetting process being in place.

 

We'll see.

 

What happened to the leftist mantra of "question authority" or "question everything"?? Did that only apply to those with whom you disagree or something?

 

[IMMensaMind 462]

I believe Newbie was referring to the half of the country that doesn't vote strictly party line. Like the moderates. I'm not sure it is 50, but we're the ones that decide elections. And anyone running on a lunatic conspiracy theory platform will most likely not get our votes.

 

The shame of it is that the 10% of Americans that determine nearly every election is the same 10% least qualified to do so.

[JackARoot 2]

The shame of it is that the 10% of Americans that determine nearly every election is the same 10% least qualified to do so.

 

That is a shame ... maybe North Korea is the country for you.

[BudBro 183]

connecticut social security number

doctored selective service records

doctored school records

no leadership experience

failed education project leader

muslim apologist

demagogue

agitator

[NewbieJr 541]

The shame of it is that the 10% of Americans that determine nearly every election is the same 10% least qualified to do so.

It's much larger than 10%. It is decided by open minded people. Who take the issues and make decisions based on what they think is best for the country.

 

The hardline Republican and hardline Democrats are the least qualified. Case in point are the people who thought the wars were fine under Bush, but now think Obama sucks because we're still in them. Those people (and I'm sure you're one of them) are not interested in what's best for the country. They're interested in winning.

[IMMensaMind 462]

That is a shame ... maybe North Korea is the country for you.

 

So I take it you are unable to actually make a point which refutes what I said?

 

The 10% of voters who sway like leaves on a tree are the most impressionable, uneducated and lazy amongst us. They are not politically informed, and both sides cater to them because both sides know that this side doesn't adhere to the principles that most of us use to vote consistently.

 

Sorry that hurts your vagina.

[cbfalcon 827]

So I take it you are unable to actually make a point which refutes what I said?

 

The 10% of voters who sway like leaves on a tree are the most impressionable, uneducated and lazy amongst us. They are not politically informed, and both sides cater to them because both sides know that this side doesn't adhere to the principles that most of us use to vote consistently.

 

Sorry that hurts your vagina.

 

Everything you say here is wrong.

 

HTH.

[Phurfur 70]

It's much larger than 10%. It is decided by open minded people. Who take the issues and make decisions based on what they think is best for the country.

 

The hardline Republican and hardline Democrats are the least qualified. Case in point are the people who thought the wars were fine under Bush, but now think Obama sucks because we're still in them. Those people (and I'm sure you're one of them) are not interested in what's best for the country. They're interested in winning.

 

Our elected officals in Washington do even do this.

[IMMensaMind 462]

It's much larger than 10%. It is decided by open minded people. Who take the issues and make decisions based on what they think is best for the country.

 

Ah! Open-minded you say? Not so open-minded that their brains fall out?

 

 

Clearly, one of those 'open-minded' people has felt something hit home here. It's okay to admit that there is 10% of the voting public which shouldn't be trusted driving, much less determining our politicians, Newbie.

 

The hardline Republican and hardline Democrats are the least qualified.

 

Untrue. You have no more claim to be correct than anyone else; including those on either side. This is about an arena of ideas, and it is the only true battlefield of consequence. Those in the middle are truly rudderless: and because they're rudderless they have no ability to plot anything, including a path to being correct.

 

They have entirely inconsistent principles and ideology; they are easily displayed as being inconsistent and hypocritical.

 

Case in point are the people who thought the wars were fine under Bush, but now think Obama sucks because we're still in them. Those people (and I'm sure you're one of them) are not interested in what's best for the country. They're interested in winning.

 

People with principles are unable to simplify the issue that much.

[nikki2200 4]

So I take it you are unable to actually make a point which refutes what I said?

 

The 10% of voters who sway like leaves on a tree are the most impressionable, uneducated and lazy amongst us. They are not politically informed, and both sides cater to them because both sides know that this side doesn't adhere to the principles that most of us use to vote consistently.

 

Sorry that hurts your vagina.

 

So you are basically saying that the republican candidate is always more qualified for the job no master who it is and that's what you vote that way every time? And that anyone who looks objectively at both candidates and tries to make sn informed decision is just dumb and easily swayed?

 

Classic.

[drobeski 3,061]

So you are basically saying that the republican candidate is always more qualified for the job no master who it is and that's what you vote that way every time? And that anyone who looks objectively at both candidates and tries to make sn informed decision is just dumb and easily swayed?

 

Classic.

nice spelling there, did your gay dad bash you in the head with his black double dong while you were growing up ?

[cbfalcon 827]

So you are basically saying that the republican candidate is always more qualified for the job no master who it is and that's what you vote that way every time? And that anyone who looks objectively at both candidates and tries to make sn informed decision is just dumb and easily swayed?

 

Classic.

 

Spelling aside, yes that is what Drobeski believes.

[nikki2200 4]

nice spelling there, did your gay dad bash you in the head with his black double dong while you were growing up ?

 

I know you are just trying to stick your kettle in my pot.

 

I'm on my focking phone. At least I don't claim my typing is better this way.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

The shame of it is that the 10% of Americans that determine nearly every election is the same 10% least qualified to do so.

 

You're such a smug, arrogant jack@ss that you even hate democracy. The funniest thing is that you are intellectually bankrupt. This entire thread is living proof of that. And yet you go around acting like if everyone would just realize how right you are all the world's problems would be solved!

[NewbieJr 541]

 

 

Untrue. You have no more claim to be correct than anyone else; including those on either side. This is about an arena of ideas, and it is the only true battlefield of consequence. Those in the middle are truly rudderless: and because they're rudderless they have no ability to plot anything, including a path to being correct.

 

They have entirely inconsistent principles and ideology; they are easily displayed as being inconsistent and hypocritical.

 

Bottom line is, you and your ilk vote Republican, no matter what. And there are plenty on the other side who vote Democtrat, no matter what. All of you cancel each other out and are irrelevant in the election. Not sure why you even follow the campaigning once the GOP candidate is selected. It makes no difference.

 

But to those of us who atren't brainwashed that it's good guys vs. bad guys, the debates matter. The issues matter. And, as it should be, we're the ones determining the President every four years.

 

The hardline lefties were too dumb to realize that Reagan was good for the country. The hardline righties were too dumb to know Clinton was good for the country. Because all they wanted was their guy to win. And, thankfully, you guys mean nothing in thre election. They're talking to me. And others who don't get their news from MSNBC or Fox News.

[NewbieJr 541]

You're such a smug, arrogant jack@ss that you even hate democracy. The funniest thing is that you are intellectually bankrupt. This entire thread is living proof of that. And yet you go around acting like if everyone would just realize how right you are all the world's problems would be solved!

I just wish to God that this idiot had been around when Bush was President. I would have loived to see him use big, fancy words to try to explain that GWB was good for the country.

[Phurfur 70]

I just wish to God that this idiot had been around when Bush was President. I would have loived to see him use big, fancy words to try to explain that GWB was good for the country.

 

What does that have to do with BHO ruining our country today? Nikki, is this the liberal original thoughts you were talking about?

[drobeski 3,061]

What does that have to do with BHO ruining our country today? Nikki, is this the liberal original thoughts you were talking about?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I just wish to God that this idiot had been around when Bush was President. I would have loived to see him use big, fancy words to try to explain that GWB was good for the country.

 

Bush kept us from having Owlgore and John Kerry in the WH, so we've got that going for us.

[nikki2200 4]

What does that have to do with BHO ruining our country today? Nikki, is this the liberal original thoughts you were talking about?

 

What does BHO's performance as president have to do with showing his birth certificate? Stay on topic.

[Voltaire 5,491]

 

What happened to the leftist mantra of "question authority" or "question everything"?? Did that only apply to those with whom you disagree or something?

 

I told this joke to a German friend a few months ago: in any country other than the US, I would be one of the most conservative members of the conservative party. In the US, however, I vote left.

 

I like to think of myself as a swing voter because I regularly split my votes on state elections. I think our (Michigan's) new Republican governor is great. But the fact is, at the national level, I have not voted for a Republican since Spence Abraham's first run for the Senate in 1994. November 2012 will be 18 years without.

 

That may change in a big way in 2012. I could forseeably vote for the GOP ticket in all three: Congress, Senate, and president in 2012.

 

For Senate-Stabenow is up for reelection. Had 2006 been a normal year, I would not have voted to reelect her against a fine GOP challenger like Mike Bouchard, but because of the circumstances of that year she got a pass; there was simply no way in hell in 2006 that I was going to vote for any Republican at the national level. Next year will be different so she has best be up to the task. If either Bouchard or a Rick Snyder-type Republican wins the nomination, I'm prepared to send Stabenow packing.

 

Meanwhile, because minority candidates cannot be redistricted out of existence, I expect to get removed from Sander Levin's congressional district and put into Hanson Clarke's. This would break my heart as Sander Levin is an outstanding Congressman and, barring a scandal, I would never vote against him. But unless the state of Michigan consolidates the rapidly shrinking city of Detroit into one district, they're going to have to keep it split in in two which almost certainly means that it will cross 8 Mile and I will get sucked in. I thank my lucky stars that Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick was dumped on her head last election by Hanson Clarke, but I am not an automatic vote for Clarke like I would be for Levin. Even though he's part of the good/reformist inner city Detroit faction that's trying to clean up the mess of a city and I respect him, the fact is that he's way too liberal for me and it wouldn't take much of a Republican to win my vote; not that my vote would even matter, if I do find myself in an inner city district, those are deliberately gerrymandered to elect black Democrats.

 

Then there's President Obama.

[nikki2200 4]

Bush kept us from having Owlgore and John Kerry in the WH, so we've got that going for us.

 

You are referring to the wrong bush.

[NewbieJr 541]

Bush kept us from having Owlgore and John Kerry in the WH, so we've got that going for us.

That's why I voted for him. The first time.

[JackARoot 2]

So I take it you are unable to actually make a point which refutes what I said?

 

The 10% of voters who sway like leaves on a tree are the most impressionable, uneducated and lazy amongst us. They are not politically informed, and both sides cater to them because both sides know that this side doesn't adhere to the principles that most of us use to vote consistently.

 

 

You wouldn't recognize a point if it stuck you in the ass, so I'll spell it out for you. The alternative to letting that 10% of "impressionable, uneducated, lazy" people decide the outcome of an election, is to have someone make the decision for us like they do in North Korea. Maybe you should move there and see how that works out for ya

[cbfalcon 827]

You wouldn't recognize a point if it stuck you in the ass, so I'll spell it out for you. The alternative to letting that 10% of "impressionable, uneducated, lazy" people decide the outcome of an election, is to have someone make the decision for us like they do in North Korea. Maybe you should move there and see how that works out for ya

 

Or maybe we just let Mensa ask people a few questions, then he will make the decision as to if their vote is worthy of being allowed to count.

 

[DankNuggs 305]

You wouldn't recognize a point if it stuck you in the ass, so I'll spell it out for you. The alternative to letting that 10% of "impressionable, uneducated, lazy" people decide the outcome of an election, is to have someone make the decision for us like they do in North Korea. Maybe you should move there and see how that works out for ya

Everyone is the hero of their own story.

 

Everyone thinks their vote is more important than anyone elses

 

 

Everyone thinks they are the smartest and everyone else is missing something...

 

People simply vote based on perceived self interest. What they think will help them out individually the most. the problem is that perception is often different than reality. Free cupcakes now may mean no cupcakes later...

[Phurfur 70]

Everyone is the hero of their own story.

 

Everyone thinks their vote is more important than anyone elses

 

 

Everyone thinks they are the smartest and everyone else is missing something...

 

People simply vote based on perceived self interest. What they think will help them out individually the most. the problem is that perception is often different than reality. Free cupcakes now may mean no cupcakes later...

 

 

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

- Ben Franklin

[DankNuggs 305]

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

- Ben Franklin

He had alot of amazing quotes... It'll be nice to re-live them as history repeats...

[JackARoot 2]

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

- Ben Franklin

 

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

Sir Winston Churchill

[DankNuggs 305]

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

Sir Winston Churchill

I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.

 

-Ben Franklin

[Gepetto 1,454]

There is so much "stupid" in this thread I quit reading at the top of page 8. My head hurts.