why wont obama show his birth certificate

[drobeski 3,061]

Good for him, about time.

[nikki2200 4]

For those that want to see it...

 

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

 

Now why couldn't he have just done this on day one when questions arose?

 

Because he probably thought the whole thing was ridiculous like 75% of americans do and probably doesn't spend a whole lot of time reading right wing extremist forums on the interwebs?

[posty 2,643]

I am thinking that he might have been busy with things that are actually important and trying to not be distracted by obscure requests from the uneducated.

 

Please... You don't think he couldn't get one of the interns to put in the application/call to get the full form?

 

Takes all of 5 seconds to tell the Chief of Staff for them to delegate it to an intern...

 

Because he probably thought the whole thing was ridiculous like 75% of americans do and probably doesn't spend a whole lot of time reading right wing extremist forums on the interwebs?

 

Yes it was ridiculous, but when more and more people began to question it, why drag your feet on it?

[NewbieJr 541]

Time to east crow. Where are all the morons who thought he wasn't a natural born citizen?

 

:crickets:

[Reality 3,121]

Glad this ridiculous issue is over.

 

Time to refocus on how bad this dude is at being a leader.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Obama saw the poll showing just 38% believe he was born here and decided the issue had turned from one he could use to his political advantage into a political liability.

 

Finally did the right thing, but not because it was the right thing, because of politics. Just like all his decisions.

 

Also...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[tubby_mcgee 700]

What's the big deal about a birth certificate anyway?

 

If Osama Bin Laden came up with a USA birth certificate, would you want him President of the U.S.?

[Frank M 181]

Time to east crow. Where are all the morons who thought he wasn't a natural born citizen?

 

:crickets:

 

Or that it said he was Muslim.

 

Don't worry, now they'll all be b1tching that it took him so long.

[IMMensaMind 462]

First of all, your concept presupposes that every political decision made involves the use of funds from your pocket.

 

What? Every vote involves electing politicians who use funds from my pocket. WTF are you talking about?

 

That is not necessarily true. What about legislation on social issues? What about the selection of judges? What about foreign policy decisions (at least those depending on personnel & resources already in place)?

 

Why is this important, when politicians also can force money out of my pocket due to being empowered by people who like that idea? My point has nothing to do any stretches of rationalization that politicians do other things (and some of those things - like social issues - also effect my wallet).

 

Second of all, you assume that everyone who pays taxes owns property. Also not true. Plenty of people pay income tax but don't own property. Nearly everyone pays sales tax but many do not own property. Even people who rent don't pay property taxes, but guess what a portion of their rent is? That's right, to account for the property taxes of the owner.

 

You're operating under a misimpression. Nowhere did I assume that everyone who pays income taxes also owns property. What I said was that one should either pay Federal Income Tax, or own property, if they want to vote. 50% of the American public does not pay Federal Income Tax.

 

Can you not bring yourself to admit that something is fundamentally focked up about that, and that such an environment is going to create tax and other policy which pits those who do not pay such tax against those that do?

 

Are you ignoring statements from Ben Franklin and others if you do not acknowledge this? People should not be able to vote themselves money from the Treasury, and yet that is exactly what is happening. Now you have a miserable excuse for a President talking about raising taxes on people like me again, instead of doing the right thing and evening out tax code to grant equal treatment under the law.

 

Progressive Taxation has become so engrained that you no longer even pause to question if it's been good.

 

Third of all, even assuming that we are talking about a destitute person who does not make enough money to be taxed, buys very little, and owns no loand, that person should still be able to take part in our democratic system.

 

50% of the population pays no Federal Income Tax. Have you fooled yourself so deeply as to actually require yourself to offer the example of a destitute person to make your point? 50%. Are you actually trying to claim that 50% of the population is destitute?

 

And if you're in a position where those guys have enough political clout that they can demand that funds be taken from the rich, well then that's going to happen whether there is democracy or not. If they're allowed to vote then the political fights between the haves and have-nots is resolved in a relatively civil and painless fashion. If they aren't allowed to vote, you have a revolution on your hands.

 

You're actually now stating a position that the rich are going to get their assets taken no matter what? That people will rise up and rob the rich, and kill them??????

 

You really need to scrutinize that position, and tell me how what you're saying isn't any different than the mafia, and how such a thing could even begin to happen in a law and order world. Your position can literally be boiled down to the simple statement that the ability to force the rich to foot the bill for our Government is actually saving us from anarchy.

 

Ridiculous. ROFLMAO

 

So in short, your little theory rests upon a number of false assumptions and it is completely inpractical in any event. And that's not even mentioning the fact that "one man, one vote" is the very heart of our democratic system. So we'll add Un-American (and I hate that term because it's often abused) to the list of what's wrong with your little proposal.

 

Your little theory rests upon the ridiculous premise that the "Rich" will have their assets taken if they do not willing comply with this immoral system.

 

You make many missteps and incorrect presumptions. No wonder your conclusion is likewise flawed. I clarified the position for you; I'd be curious to see what changes in your POV wrt to this.

[nikki2200 4]

Obama saw the poll showing just 38% believe he was born here and decided the issue had turned from one he could use to his political advantage into a political liability.

 

Finally did the right thing, but not because it was the right thing, because of politics. Just like all his decisions.

 

Also...

 

Photochopped

 

 

76% retardo.

[NewbieJr 541]

Obama saw the poll showing just 38% believe he was born here and decided the issue had turned from one he could use to his political advantage into a political liability.

 

Finally did the right thing, but not because it was the right thing, because of politics. Just like all his decisions.

I tend to think he waited until the number of birthers was high and a high profile idiot like Trump really brought it to the mainstream. It wouldn't have been as effective if he only made 15% look like total idiots. Trump actually brought more Republicans onto the birther side. He just dropped a fool-bomb.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

76% retardo.

 

 

I was watching O'Reilly talking about Trump and his nonsense. He cited a poll, don't remember which one, that had only 38% saying they were sure he was born here. A lot of people answer "not sure/don't know" to these things, Puddin' T!ts.

[nikki2200 4]

I was watching O'Reilly talking about Trump and his nonsense. He cited a poll, don't remember which one, that had only 38% saying they were sure he was born here. A lot of people answer "not sure/don't know" to these things, Puddin' T!ts.

 

All the real poles say that 24% thought he probably wasn't born here. Whatever you saw probably had either an "he was probably born here" option or an "i don't give a fock option"

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I tend to think he waited until the number of birthers was high and a high profile idiot like Trump really brought it to the mainstream. It wouldn't have been as effective if he only made 15% look like total idiots. Trump actually brought more Republicans onto the birther side. He just dropped a fool-bomb.

 

He saw things trending against him on the issue and decided to cut his losses. The birthers looked like idiots on their own, but they were getting people to move from the "He was definitely born here" camp to the "unsure" camp. Given the clusterfukk the rest of his agenda is, he decided he couldn't stand pat.

 

Either way, at least you admit this decision was purely political.

[cbfalcon 825]

How embarrassing this must be for a handful of posters in this thread.

[KSB2424 3,148]

You have to give it to the Donald. He gets results. This whole "birther" crap has been going on for years now. Supposedly the actual long form BC was missing or something. The Donald comes in and throws some money around to get to the bottom of it once and for all, and BAM!@#! out pops the document. All in just a couple weeks.

 

I would never in a million years vote this man President, but you gotta admit. Trump gets results. Prolly why he's a billionairre.

[nikki2200 4]

You have to give it to the Donald. He gets results. This whole "birther" crap has been going on for years now. Supposedly the actual long form BC was missing or something. The Donald comes in and throws some money around to get to the bottom of it once and for all, and BAM!@#! out pops the document. All in just a couple weeks.

 

I would never in a million years vote this man President, but you gotta admit. Trump gets results. Prolly why he's a billionairre.

 

You really think this was the result he was looking for? For real?

[Mungwater 596]

You really think this was the result he was looking for? For real?

 

Only the retard birthers thought he was not born here, Donald went and got the proof. I put Donald in the birther category, but he at least got the answer.

[KSB2424 3,148]

You really think this was the result he was looking for? For real?

I didn't say this was the actual result he 'hoped' for. However that's secondary to actually getting to the bottom of things. There was a misssing document and now there isn't. Results.

 

Sometimes it takes some poking and prodding to get folks moving. It's what The Donald does.

[nikki2200 4]

I didn't say this was the actual result he 'hoped' for. However that's secondary to actually getting to the bottom of things. There was a misssing document and now there isn't. Results.

 

Sometimes it takes some poking and prodding to get folks moving. It's what The Donald does.

 

And now he looks like a bigger jackass than he did before. One thing you can say about him is he us the only one with the balls and lack of discretion enough to go public like he did. But he's been the butt of jokes for decades so he's probably used to it.

[Drizzay 709]

I thought The Donald has a book coming out that had info on Obama's birth that would "shock yhe nation".

 

Trump wasn't doing this for political reasons/presidential aspirations. Dood is trying to peddle something...and Barry cut into his sales a little bit.

[KSB2424 3,148]

And now he looks like a bigger jackass than he did before. One thing you can say about him is he us the only one with the balls and lack of discretion enough to go public like he did. But he's been the butt of jokes for decades so he's probably used to it.

Well, yeah. Exactly.

 

You might hate Trump and honestly prolly rightfully so. He's pompous, comes across like a jackass, and has funny hair. However, he really doesn't give a fock what you think. Which is sort of a redeeming quality and very much unlike 99.9% of 'politicians'.

[NewbieJr 541]

Well, yeah. Exactly.

 

You might hate Trump and honestly prolly rightfully so. He's pompous, comes across like a jackass, and has funny hair. However, he really doesn't give a fock what you think. Which is sort of a redeeming quality and very much unlike 99.9% of 'politicians'.

Bottom line is, he is trying to emerge on the political scene, and the very first issue he stood behind made him look like a buffoon. He may get results, but when that result is being proven wrong, he's not going to do very well in politics.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Bottom line is, he is trying to emerge on the political scene, and the very first issue he stood behind made him look like a buffoon. He may get results, but when that result is being proven wrong, he's not going to do very well in politics.

I'm okay with that. Listen, I would never vote for Donald Trump as a candidate for office. He simply doesn't have the gov't experience. However I sorta like him 'in the mix' as a political advisor. I sorta like him throwing some money around to keep folks on their toes.

 

He's like the Sarbanes-Oxley Auditor at your company. Nobody likes him. He only causes headache and is irritating. However he keeps everybody on their P's and Q's. Because if you don't have your shit together, the old Donald might come a knocking.

[cbfalcon 825]

I'm okay with that. Listen, I would never vote for Donald Trump as a candidate for office. He simply doesn't have the gov't experience. However I sorta like him 'in the mix' as a political advisor. I sorta like him throwing some money around to keep folks on their toes.

 

He's like the Sarbanes-Oxley Auditor at your company. Nobody likes him. He only causes headache and is irritating. However he keeps everybody on their P's and Q's. Because if you don't have your shit together, the old Donanld might come a knocking.

 

When push comes to shove, I likely agree. However I am curious if someone that truly may not give a fock how the government normally works is exactly the type person that could cut through the bs and make the government work.

 

In other words, it's be just like the movie "Dave". Except Donnie Trump is no Kevin Kline.

[peenie 1,906]

obama was born here, didn't get rid of rights for people to own guns, didn't give blacks reparations and didn't allow muslim countries to bomb us or take over.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

obama was born here, didn't get rid of rights for people to own guns, didn't give blacks reparations and didn't allow muslim countries to bomb us or take over.

 

He did kill a bunch of US soldiers after campaigning against war.

[The Next Generation 10]

obama was born here, didn't get rid of rights for people to own guns, didn't give blacks reparations and didn't allow muslim countries to bomb us or take over...YET

 

fixored

[OldMaid 2,130]

Trump will not run for President... You heard it here first.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

obama was born here, didn't get rid of rights for people to own guns, didn't give blacks reparations and didn't allow muslim countries to bomb us or take over.

 

 

Quite an impressive list of accomplishments for being on office for 2+ years.

 

1. He's American.

2. He finally found one amendment to the Constitution he couldn't ignore.

3 He finally found something he couldn't p!ss away billions of tax dollars on

4. Kept us from becoming a Muslim country.

 

Sweet!

[nikki2200 4]

He did kill a bunch of US soldiers after campaigning against war.

 

He campaigned on going into afghanistan. I 'member stuff like that.

[drobeski 3,061]

He campaigned on going into afghanistan. I 'member stuff like that.

[nikki2200 4]

 

WTF is so funny?

[nikki2200 4]

[drobeski 3,061]

WTF is so funny?

You pretending you have a clue.

[nikki2200 4]

You pretending you have a clue.

 

I just posted one of his campaign speeches jackwad.

[Mungwater 596]

I just posted one of his campaign speeches jackwad.

 

His campaign speeches got thrown out the door about a year ago

[nikki2200 4]

His campaign speeches got thrown out the door about a year ago

 

Ok. Whatever. He didn't campaign on a surge in afghanistan and trying to get al qaeda. Oy vey.

[Gepetto 1,320]

You pretending you have a clue.

 

Post of the year!

[drobeski 3,061]

Post of the year!

Does this automatically put me in the running for geek of the year ?