I had to veto a trade last night (keeper league)

[JT 137]

Why am I a jerk? I only posted here in an effort to vent. Owners trying to push through unfair trades then getting pisssed when I don't fall for it is possibly the most annoying part of being a commish (probably only 2nd to collecting money in a timely manner).

 

Everyone comes back to my league year after year, and nobody ever asks to take over as commish. Why? Because they know I'm right not to let them get away with these shenanigans.

 

I wouldn't call you a jerk, but you're ,drunk with power. There's nothing about a deal that involves one young player who's holding out; another who has had a constant, recurring health issue that has kept him from playing; an older player who has shown the ability to post big numbers but is in a crap offense; and a young, stud WR, that should make anyone even consider a veto.

 

Like someone else said: do the right thing. Revisit the trade, allow it to go through, and stay out of people's business going forward.

[We Tigers 71]

August 28 for our first "I had to veto this totally reasonable trade" thread of the season! Is that a new record?

[cbfalcon 825]

You did the right thing.

 

To use an analogy, if you trade away $10 and get $10 back, you are cool if it happens, and cool if it doesn't. It's when you are giving away $5 and getting back $10 that you'll be pissed if the trade doesn't go through.

 

Exactly.

 

Unsure why people would want to play in a league in which the winner is determined by who can rip off the girl owner in the league the quickest.

 

Then again, I don't play in cut throat leagues with people I hate. I tend to play with friends, and the goal is to have a good time, gamble some, talk some trash, and enjoy football. Those things can only happen with some form of competitive balance.

[mobb_deep 920]

I wouldn't call you a jerk, but you're ,drunk with power. There's nothing about a deal that involves one young player who's holding out; another who has had a constant, recurring health issue that has kept him from playing; an older player who has shown the ability to post big numbers but is in a crap offense; and a young, stud WR, that should make anyone even consider a veto.

 

Like someone else said: do the right thing. Revisit the trade, allow it to go through, and stay out of people's business going forward.

 

For someone with a name like "JT", you don't appear to be very smart in terms of what is a fair trade. That much is clear. If you don't understand why that trade had to be vetoed, then I don't know what to tell ya.

 

Maybe start by asking yourself why you are so pisssed that the trade didn't go through?

[schmitty34 2]

August 28 for our first "I had to veto this totally reasonable trade" thread of the season! Is that a new record?

 

Shhhhhhh......

[JT 137]

For someone with a name like "JT", you don't appear to be very smart in terms of what is a fair trade. That much is clear. If you don't understand why that trade had to be vetoed, then I don't know what to tell ya.

 

Maybe start by asking yourself why you are so pisssed that the trade didn't go through?

 

"with a name like JT"...Maybe you should start by asking yourself what the hell you're talking about???

 

Not pissed at all that the specific trade didn't go through. Just a fan of people who pay their league fee being allowed to manage their own team, as opposed to their teams being managed based on the commishes opinion of which players are going to have better seasons/careers.

 

So you don't know what to tell me? Exactly. Because there's no legitimate reason that trade shouldn't be allowed today.

[t-birdie 8]

Why am I a jerk? I only posted here in an effort to vent. Owners trying to push through unfair trades then getting pisssed when I don't fall for it is possibly the most annoying part of being a commish (probably only 2nd to collecting money in a timely manner).

 

Everyone comes back to my league year after year, and nobody ever asks to take over as commish. Why? Because they know I'm right not to let them get away with these shenanigans.

 

 

Wait. Which owner suppsoedly got the better deal? I honestly can't tell. Johnson may not even play and is a huge risk if he does. Harvin, who cares. Roddy White is one of the best WRs and Cedric Benson will likely be a weak, unspectacular 7-point-a-week RB2 uantil he loses his job to B Scott. Throw out Harvin and Benson as non-material.

 

The trade is for a risky, top-tier RB for a solid, top-tier WR. And you veteod this trade, why?

[mobb_deep 920]

"with a name like JT"...Maybe you should start by asking yourself what the hell you're talking about???

 

Not pissed at all that the specific trade didn't go through. Just a fan of people who pay their league fee being allowed to manage their own team, as opposed to their teams being managed based on the commishes opinion of which players are going to have better seasons/careers.

 

So you don't know what to tell me? Exactly. Because there's no legitimate reason that trade shouldn't be allowed today.

 

A trade doesn't have to be $10 for $10. $10 for $8 is ok. Sometimes $40 for $35 is even ok. But $15 for $40 trades should always be vetoed.

 

HTH.

[t-birdie 8]

With the history of hold-out RBs, I think I'd take White/Benson. Is that the better of the two sides?

[t-birdie 8]

A trade doesn't have to be $10 for $10. $10 for $8 is ok. Sometimes $40 for $35 is even ok. But $15 for $40 trades should always be vetoed.

 

HTH.

 

 

OK, that's great. Which side got the $40? - and what omniscient diety ascribed the pricetags to this deal?

[JT 137]

A trade doesn't have to be $10 for $10. $10 for $8 is ok. Sometimes $40 for $35 is even ok. But $15 for $40 trades should always be vetoed.

 

HTH.

 

Nope. Not at all. Gibberish.

[Kent 228]

This has to be a joke thread.

 

What's wrong with that trade?

[mobb_deep 920]

OK, that's great. Which side got the $40? - and what omniscient diety ascribed the pricetags to this deal?

 

The trade was vetoed by an entire league because it was correctly deemed unfair. The facts and the decision back up my belief that this was a joke of an attempted trade.

 

The burden is on you guys so you should talk about each and every player and explain why what rightfully did happen shouldn't have.

 

thisshouldbegood

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

You're a pretty decent dude from what I've seen on the other board. So I'm hoping this is a well executed prank thread similar to my "in trouble" thread.

 

If not, then wow.

[cbfalcon 825]

This has to be a joke thread.

 

What's wrong with that trade?

 

One of the better players involved in the trade isn't even playing.

 

And it's a keeper league, thus you have to take ages into account. One side is getting a 25 and 23 year old in exchange for a 28 and 29 year old. Those are giant differences in a sport in which the average career is about 3.5 years.

[t-birdie 8]

The trade was vetoed by an entire league because it was correctly deemed unfair. The facts and the decision back up my belief that this was a joke of an attempted trade.

 

The burden is on you guys so you should talk about each and every player and explain why what rightfully did happen shouldn't have.

 

thisshouldbegood

 

 

I just want to know which side is getting the better deal. I can't tell.

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

"with a name like JT"...Maybe you should start by asking yourself what the hell you're talking about???

 

Not pissed at all that the specific trade didn't go through. Just a fan of people who pay their league fee being allowed to manage their own team, as opposed to their teams being managed based on the commishes opinion of which players are going to have better seasons/careers.

 

So you don't know what to tell me? Exactly. Because there's no legitimate reason that trade shouldn't be allowed today.

this guy gets it and it does not Shock me. He is one of the smarter posters around here.

 

Commish veto is for obvious collusion and player dumping

[mobb_deep 920]

I just want to know which side is getting the better deal. I can't tell.

 

I'm new around here, but I swear to christ if I hear on more person here say "no collusion, no veto" again, I'm gonna have a focking aneurysm. Lighten up folks, just because another league has different rules than yours doesn't mean they're wrong or bad or dumb. In my league, we are allowed to issue a veto for any reason whatsoever, including if we just aren't in the mood - if there are five vetoes, the trade is killed No trades have ever actually been successfully vetoed, but that's beside the point. I look forward to the slew of "can I join your league" emails.

[schmitty34 2]

this guy gets it and it does not Shock me.

 

Actually, he is one of the guys that doesn't get it....

[The Next Generation 10]

I'm new around here, but I swear to christ if I hear on more person here say "no collusion, no veto" again, I'm gonna have a focking aneurysm. Lighten up folks, just because another league has different rules than yours doesn't mean they're wrong or bad or dumb. In my league, we are allowed to issue a veto for any reason whatsoever, including if we just aren't in the mood - if there are five vetoes, the trade is killed No trades have ever actually been successfully vetoed, but that's beside the point. I look forward to the slew of "can I join your league" emails.

 

This wasn't a league vote veto it was one guy, the commish, saying I don't like it so, no. Either way, dumb veto.

[Kent 228]

One of the better players involved in the trade isn't even playing.

 

And it's a keeper league, thus you have to take ages into account. One side is getting a 25 and 23 year old in exchange for a 28 and 29 year old. Those are giant differences in a sport in which the average career is about 3.5 years.

 

Percy Harvin and Ced Benson are a wash. I wouldn't veto that trade if it was just them.

 

So, moving over to the real trade. The trade with the actual keepers.

 

CJ is young, but he's a RB, and they don't last as long as WRs. Roddy is older, but he could play just as long at a high level as CJ.

 

CJ may not play this year. That's a risk one owner realized they no longer want to take and another owner does.

 

I don't even know who you think this trade is better for. Is the guy getting Roddy screwing over the guy getting CJ?

 

You need to allow that trade. No wonder league owners are pissed.

[t-birdie 8]

I'm new around here, but I swear to christ if I hear on more person here say "no collusion, no veto" again, I'm gonna have a focking aneurysm. Lighten up folks, just because another league has different rules than yours doesn't mean they're wrong or bad or dumb. In my league, we are allowed to issue a veto for any reason whatsoever, including if we just aren't in the mood - if there are five vetoes, the trade is killed No trades have ever actually been successfully vetoed, but that's beside the point. I look forward to the slew of "can I join your league" emails.

 

 

It's a simple question, will you just tell me which side you think got the better deal? I wouldn't join this league for anything.

[Brian Bozworth Fan Club 0]

You got on this site seeking opinions, and you receive dozens of knowledgeable fantasy experts explaining why you don't veto that trade, yet you still don't seem to get it. It's not a matter of whether the trade was 100% fair or not, so throw out the player comparisons. Trades aren't always going to look fair to everyone in the league, and trades aren't always going to be fair, period. It's a matter of whether there is collusion or not when you're looking to veto a trade. That should be the ONLY reason you veto trades. It's rediculous for one person to infer their own preference and judgement and dictate who's able to make a trade and who isn't. If you're going to let someone participate in your league they should be able to manage their own team. If you don't think they have the football knowledge you prefer your team owners to have, then don't let them join.

[Laurence Maroney's Nuts 2]

One of the better players involved in the trade isn't even playing.

 

And it's a keeper league, thus you have to take ages into account. One side is getting a 25 and 23 year old in exchange for a 28 and 29 year old. Those are giant differences in a sport in which the average career is about 3.5 years.

 

 

But if you multiply both of their ages by pi and divide by the square root of their total yardage, you'll see the true value of the trade.

 

Everyone knows that.

[t-birdie 8]

I don't even know who you think this trade is better for. Is the guy getting Roddy screwing over the guy getting CJ?

 

 

I think we're all waiting on an answer to this question.

 

If CJ plays and performs, that owner will have won this deal. If he doesn't or gets hurt, the Roddy White owner will have won. That's what trades are all about.

 

I hope the championship is decided based on these players this year.

[Portis26 0]

I would not play in your league, I like to manage my own team.

 

Spot on! Please ban the OP from ever posting again. Or set up a rookie newbie page to post in.

 

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[Kent 228]

this guy gets it and it does not Shock me. He is one of the smarter posters around here.

 

Commish veto is for obvious collusion and player dumping

 

How can anyone make a case in this instance for obvious collusion given what we know at present.

 

How can one collude when no games have been played??? Guys who think their teams suck could be sitting on winners. Nobody knows anything. I got Dwayne Bowe and Darren McFadden last year fairly late. My team looked awful on paper. I won the league because they both had career years. How can you call a case of obvious collusion when nobody knows who's sitting on the breakout players??? And players will breakout and win titles for people.

 

This is silly.

[mobb_deep 920]

You got on this site seeking opinions, and you receive dozens of knowledgeable fantasy experts explaining why you don't veto that trade, yet you still don't seem to get it. It's not a matter of whether the trade was 100% fair or not, so throw out the player comparisons. Trades aren't always going to look fair to everyone in the league, and trades aren't always going to be fair, period. It's a matter of whether there is collusion or not when you're looking to veto a trade. That should be the ONLY reason you veto trades. It's rediculous for one person to infer their own preference and judgement and dictate who's able to make a trade and who isn't. If you're going to let someone participate in your league they should be able to manage their own team. If you don't think they have the football knowledge you prefer your team owners to have, then don't let them join.

 

In fact, only 2 posters in this thread that have over 6,000 posts have even given an opinion Me, and cbfalcon (unless you count GFIAFP), who recommended you rename yourself "Brian Bozworth is Nuts".

 

The fact that we think that, while your supporters are a bunch of guys that each have less than 100 or 1000 total posts...well that should tell you all you need to know about the trade.

[ralphster 274]

The OP said he vetoed the trade - not the whole league. If he did so in the name of 'league interest' he didn't explain himself well, because 90% of responders are calling shenanigans. The trade as is should've been allowed - even if it's not 'fair' in his eyes. At no time should a commish intervene in trades save when collusion is evident. People keep saying that because they're right.

 

EDIT: The # of posts has nothing to do with knowledge; which should be obvious even to you. 7K posts and you're the only one taking falcon's side in this rodeo.

[Masterminds 5]

Would you allow a manager to draft a kicker in the 7th round? If so, then you should allow this trade.

[BigBlue7 0]

At this point i'll take Benson and Roddy over CJ and Harvin.

 

What if CJ holds out all year? Look at VJ last year.

 

Anyone that thinks it's ok to veto this should not be running a league. Actually let me correct that, they can run a league with people who don't mind these types of judgement calls. If I take $10 on every $8 of yours and just do it 1000 times, is it still ok? Just curious.

 

I would suggest putting it up for league vote. Majority rules.

 

Thank god my league doesn't have this problem. I wouldn't enjoy fantasy football as much.

[Portis26 0]

I would demand my entry fee back and then go to the commishs house and punch him in face, bang his wife, and then slap his kids across the face, make a sandwich then leave.

 

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[madd futher mucker 36]

At first reading, I thought your original post was some kind of joke. Please do you league a favor. Resign as commish immediately and elect someone who knows what they are doing.

 

This was one of the worst vetoes I've ever seen. If I was either one of the owners, I'd quit the league right now and tell you where to stick your veto. Seriously!

[schmitty34 2]

At first reading, I thought your original post was some kind of joke.

 

I always say, trust your gut.

[t-birdie 8]

The fact that we think that, while your supporters are a bunch of guys that each have less than 100 or 1000 total posts...well that should tell you all you need to know about the trade.

 

 

Brilliant. The more posts you have on FFToday forums, the more you know about football. That makes about as much sense as vetoing this trade.

[Till 0]

In fact, only 2 posters in this thread that have over 6,000 posts have even given an opinion Me, and cbfalcon (unless you count GFIAFP), who recommended you rename yourself "Brian Bozworth is Nuts".

 

The fact that we think that, while your supporters are a bunch of guys that each have less than 100 or 1000 total

posts...well that should tell you all you need to know about

the trade.

 

So fantasy football knowledge is based on how many posts one has? I rarely post anything, mostly because these posts all turn to arguments. I find my time better used looking for meaningful insight on offseason or inseason management. But please mistake my lack of posts for fantasy football knowledge, and invite me to donate to your league. I would love to show you how bad I am seeing as I only have maybe 8 posts in the 10 years I have been reading FFtoday.

[TimHauck 2,878]

These joke posts are just as bad if not worse than when people start real threads like this.

 

And it's obvious it's a joke since the OP refuses to say which side is lopsided and even contradicted himself when making a lame attempt to clarify.

[t-birdie 8]

A few years ago one of our owners, a weaker owner that is, during the rookie draft in the heat of the moment, traded his #3 pick (a good pick) and a solid WR to the guy next to him for a taxi squad holdover from the previous year who had shown no signs of life - Ray Rice. We all looked around and rolled our eyes at his ineptitude.

 

Oh yeah - he won his first Championship last year - and was in the Championship game the year before that. We should have vetoed that trade for his own good.

[Laurence Maroney's Nuts 2]

This thread is clearly a joke because any knowledgeable ffb owner with lots of posts knows that all trades should be veto'd.

[schmitty34 2]

And it's obvious it's a joke since the OP refuses to say which side is lopsided

 

Or because it has been stated or eluded to as a joke a few times but most posters miss it due to their blind rage for vetos.