GM & Chrysler: Mitt Romney is a focking liar

[IGotWorms 4,060]

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-gm-chrysler-rebut-romney-20121030,0,3345922.story

 

TAMPA, Fla. — As Mitt Romney released more misleading claims about President Obama and the auto bailout on Tuesday, officials at GM and Chrysler weighed in and said the statements put forward by Romney about job losses and the offshoring of jobs were false — an unusual move for corporations, which tend to avoid entering the fray of partisan politics.

 

Romney released a new radio ad in Ohio that continued to imply that Chrysler, the parent company of Jeep, had outsourced production to China, and in a new accusation, claimed that GM was moving 15,000 American jobs to China. Earlier, Romney released a television ad that implied Jeep production was being moved to China.

 

A GM spokesman defended the company and lashed out at Romney.

 

“We've clearly entered some parallel universe during these last few days,” spokesman Greg Martin told the Detroit Free Press. “No amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish our record of creating jobs in the U.S. and repatriating profits back to this country.”

 

GM did cut 15,000 jobs, but that occurred before the 2009 government bailout, and the company has added jobs since.

 

The head of Chrysler, meanwhile, fought back against the implication that the bailout and restructuring overseen by Obama led the company to outsource production to China. The company said it was indeed ramping up Jeep production in China, but for the Chinese market, and has not moved American production out the nation.

 

“I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China,” Chrysler Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne emailed employees, noting that American productions of Jeeps had tripled since 2009, and that the company was expanding operations in the United States. “Jeep is one of our truly global brands with uniquely American roots. This will never change. So much so that we committed that the iconic Wrangler nameplate, currently produced in our Toledo, Ohio, plant, will never see full production outside the United States.”

 

A request for comment from the Romney campaign was not answered.

 

Look, we all know Mitt has no problem stretching the truth, especially when it comes to commenting on his own position on the issues in the past, but this is focking beyond ridiculous. His campaign has moved in to straight-up lying about things that are 100% demonstrably false.

 

I know he's desperate, but this is shameful and should be rejected by all Americans.

[Phurfur 70]

MK-Ultra

 

President Obama never fails to mention the billions in federal dollars pumped into the U.S. auto industry when campaigning in Ohio.

 

At a recent campaign stop in Dayton, the president describes the bailout this way: "I bet on American workers. I bet on American manufacturing. I would do it again because that bet has paid off for Ohio and for America in a big way."

 

Former Delphi plant manager Tom Rose has a different opinion about the bailout: "It’s good press. It’s good politics, but it’s only one side of the story.”

 

Rose and tens of thousands of other Delphi retirees were nervous in 2009 when the company was trudging its way through bankruptcy. So a lot of questions were asked, like how’s our pension looking?

 

The answer, says Rose, was a thumbs-up from management, which said the pension was well funded.

 

And then, it wasn’t.

 

Delphi abruptly cancelled its employee pensions and turned over what remained in them to the federal government to administer.

 

It was the nightmare scenario for Delphi retirees. The monthly payments that were to be their financial bedrock through retirement years were slashed. The cuts were staggering, ranged from 30 to 70 percent.

 

After 39 years on the job, Rose’s pension was clipped 40 percent.

 

“You spend years and years making your financial plan for your retirement ... and going through all the numbers,” Rose said, “and it gets taken away from you in a heartbeat. ... and I feel absolutely betrayed.”

 

But it was at this time that a floundering General Motors was seeking emergency help from the federal government. The company was in needs of billions. Chrysler was also at the White House door looking for assistance.

 

The Obama administration was willing but demanded a rapid restructuring of the companies. Typically, in these kinds of bankruptcies or bankruptcy-like circumstances, concessions are made or financial commitments are broken. But what GM needed besides the infusion of cash from the federal government was labor peace.

 

Any deal between the U.S. government and GM was not binding on the United Auto Workers. That gave the union leverage. What it wanted was its retired Delphi members taken care of.

 

GM already had an agreement with the UAW to “top-off” its union pensions at Delphi, if that company went into bankruptcy.

 

Steven Rattner, point-man for the White House on the bailout, notes that these types of side agreements typically get tossed out in bankruptcies. To Rattner, it was important for

GM to honor the side-deal about Delphi members.

 

"It was not easy to decide where to draw the line,” says Rattner, “but ultimately we decided that GM should honor its prior agreement (with the UAW).”

 

But that was it. Salaried Delphi retiree pensions were not made whole. The 20,000 who had banked their future on their pensions were left to figure it out on their own.

 

Tom Rose thinks he knows why. “The union had political connections and we did not," he said.

 

In Rose’s opinion, and that of many more salaried Delphi retirees, the pension decision was a political payoff. It was nothing more than a Democratic president and his administration taking care of an ally, organized labor.

 

Rattner insists that not the case.

 

“We had lots of discussions about whether to top off all of the pensions,” Rattner said.

 

It came down to necessity. Rattner says GM could not survive without people on the floors of the factories working. That and the side agreement with the UAW cinched it.

 

To Rose, it all comes down to fairness.

 

“You’ve got two groups of employees working for the same company that are in the identical situation and yet they are treated distinctly different by our own federal government," he said.

 

 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/31/auto-industry-touted-by-obama-still-rubs-some-industry-retirees-wrong-way/?test=latestnews#ixzz2AwHCiQgv

[thePIMPmaster 0]

Dude is falling apart in Ohio. Fitting end to an overall terrible campaign.

[Phurfur 70]

Dude is falling apart in Ohio. Fitting end to an overall terrible campaign.

 

Romney 300+

[thePIMPmaster 0]

Romney 300+

You're a partisan hack and an idiot if that's what you think.

[Voltaire 5,363]

Romney has no shame, he lies to us constantly, bold outright lies and and treats everybody like their idiots. It's a tragedy if this strategy works. I can't believe how close he's getting to being the president.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Romney has no shame, he lies to us constantly, bold outright lies and and treats everybody like their idiots. It's a tragedy if this strategy works. I can't believe how close he's getting to being the president.

 

Well that's what is so shocking about these particular ads. It's not like most political "lies" where there is some possible way to spin it as somebody's version of the truth: this is just flat-out, 100% demonstrably incorrect. And he knows it. And yet he keeps running the ads. It's the most cynical type of negative advertising I've ever heard of, and that's saying something.

[MDC 7,590]

Romney has no shame, he lies to us constantly, bold outright lies and and treats everybody like their idiots. It's a tragedy if this strategy works. I can't believe how close he's getting to being the president.

 

As demonstrated by Phur there are people dumb enough to swallow it.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

More:

 

This is not only a flat out lie, but Romney knows it’s a lie. It’s a deliberate attempt to play off people’s fears about their own livelihood — a totally baseless fear refuted by Sergio Marchionne, cheif executive of Jeep's parent companies Fiat and Chrysler, who said in response, “I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China.”

 

In fact, as Marchionne explained in a letter published in Forbes specifically refuting Romney’s claims, the company plans to invest $500 million in the Toledo Assembly Complex, bringing another 1,100 auto jobs to Ohio.

 

"The ad is cynical campaign politics at its worst," Greg Martin, a spokesman for General Motors, added. “We think creating jobs in the U.S. and repatriating profits back in this country should be a source of bipartisan pride.”

 

http://www.wbez.org/blogs/achy-obejas/2012-10/romneys-shameless-last-minute-lie-103545

[Strike 5,748]

Holy Crap is Worms going off the deep end. Dude, go make out with your blow up wife and chill.

 

[Phurfur 70]

You're a partisan hack and an idiot if that's what you think.

 

I voted before the second debate and didn't vote for either of these guy. You are an assuming Moron!

[Chronic Husker 85]

Romney 300+

Ok, Phurfur. That's enough. Lights out at 11. You can play with your internet friends tomorrow.

 

Besides, you know you're not supposed to be getting worked up. Doctors orders. Your blood pressure has been high and I'm downright worried about what it's going to be next week.

 

When I check back in a few minutes, I want the lights off.

 

Good night, Phurfur. Expect your bath at 8 am, sharp.

[Phurfur 70]

As demonstrated by Phur there are people dumb enough to swallow it.

 

I posted and article an MK-Ultra. You are also an assuming Moron!

[Phurfur 70]

Ok, Phurfur. That's enough. Lights out at 11. You can play with your internet friends tomorrow.

 

Besides, you know you're not supposed to be getting worked up. Doctors orders. Your blood pressure has been high and I'm downright worried about what it's going to be next week.

 

When I check back in a few minutes, I want the lights off.

 

Good night, Phurfur. Expect your bath at 8 am, sharp.

 

Can't I stay up a little longer? I don't have to work tomorrow.

[Chronic Husker 85]

Can't I stay up a little longer? I don't have to work tomorrow.

Lights out.

 

I'm afraid all that Halloween chocolate has gone to your head.

 

You haven't been able to work for a long time, Phurfur.

 

Good night.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Holy Crap is Worms going off the deep end. Dude, go make out with your blow up wife and chill.

 

 

How am I "going off the deep end"? Is Romney not a focking bald-faced liar?

[Chronic Husker 85]

Holy Crap is Worms going off the deep end. Dude, go make out with your blow up wife and chill.

 

 

Strike dressed up as a bitter drunk for us this Halloween.

 

That's refreshing.

 

[Gepetto 1,389]

Original article from Italy regarding Jeep production moving to China according to Sergio Marchionne (head of Fiat/Chrysler/Jeep): http://www.manageron...odotte-in-cina/

 

Romney got the story off of the news wire. Sergio has since updated his statements. I don't know if the original article was flat out wrong, poorly written, or if Sergio said it that way.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Strike dressed up as a bitter drunk for us this Halloween.

 

That's refreshing.

 

 

I got a really good laugh at the irony of Strike telling anyone to "chill".

 

 

Thanks for the chuckles, Strike

[Strike 5,748]

I got a really good laugh at the irony of Strike telling anyone to "chill".

 

 

Thanks for the chuckles, Strike

 

Anytime. I'm just enjoying your hissy fit. When you gonna start the thread about Obama being a lieing sack? Oh, right. That'll never happen cause you're just a partisan hack. You're just gonna go to the voting booth next week and vote Dem top to bottom despite not knowing who any of the people are, just like usual. You're a true American.

 

[Strike 5,748]

Strike dressed up as a bitter drunk for us this Halloween.

 

That's refreshing.

 

 

Better than dressing up as a woman beater, right? Probably not in your eyes.

 

[Chronic Husker 85]

Better than dressing up as a woman beater, right? Probably not in your eyes.

 

 

Got your woman beater quip in. Now, all ya gotta do is make a fake lawyer joke and find a GF thread to troll with tasteless comments and you'll be ready to pass out.

 

Good night, sweet prince.

 

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Anytime. I'm just enjoying your hissy fit. When you gonna start the thread about Obama being a lieing sack? Oh, right. That'll never happen cause you're just a partisan hack. You're just gonna go to the voting booth next week and vote Dem top to bottom despite not knowing who any of the people are, just like usual. You're a true American.

 

 

Actually I'm voting for a couple Republicans for state offense. And I'm holding my nose and voting for a Republican congresswoman because the Democrat trying to unseat her is so uninspiring.

 

Not that you'll remember any of this in the morning though.

[jerryskids 6,926]

How am I "going off the deep end"? Is Romney not a focking bald-faced liar?

 

I don't think so. From what I saw, the ad says: “Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China. Mitt Romney will fight for every American job.”

 

If accurate, while misleading, it is factually true.

[Strike 5,748]

Actually I'm voting for a couple Republicans for state offense. And I'm holding my nose and voting for a Republican congresswoman because the Democrat trying to unseat her is so uninspiring.

 

Not that you'll remember any of this in the morning though.

 

Sure you are. And MDC is a registered Republican.

 

[Strike 5,748]

Got your woman beater quip in. Now, all ya gotta do is make a fake lawyer joke and find a GF thread to troll with tasteless comments and you'll be ready to pass out.

 

Good night, sweet prince.

 

 

Yeah, it must suck to be reminded about what was probably one of the worst moments of your life. And I find your drunk jokes about me funny because I suspect you were probably pretty trashed when you pushed that chick down the stairs. But I understand why you keep trying to rewrite history.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Sure you are. And MDC is a registered Republican.

 

 

I am not a registered Republican. I'm actually registered independent, though I admit that I might as well be registered Democrat. Nonetheless, even a registered Democrat can vote for a Republican now and then. Do you not remember the term "Reagan Democrat", for example?

[IGotWorms 4,060]

I don't think so. From what I saw, the ad says: “Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China. Mitt Romney will fight for every American job.”

 

If accurate, while misleading, it is factually true.

 

The ad says GM and Chrysler both outsourced jobs to China. Neither did. It is a complete and total fabrication.

[Chronic Husker 85]

Yeah, it must suck to be reminded about what was probably one of the worst moments of your life. And I find your drunk jokes about me funny because I suspect you were probably pretty trashed when you pushed that chick down the stairs. But I understand why you keep trying to rewrite history.

 

What chick, Strike?

 

There is no chick. The chick you're trying to reference is Kate McCown. Lawrence Phillips dragged her down the stairs.

 

In 1994.

 

This is why your dumbass insults are so vague. Like usual, you have no focking clue what you're talking about.

 

[Strike 5,748]

What chick, Strike?

 

There is no chick. The chick you're trying to reference is Kate McCown. Lawrence Phillips dragged her down the stairs.

 

In 1994.

 

This is why your dumbass insults are so vague. Like usual, you have no focking clue what you're talking about.

 

 

And the next step is deflection. You weren't deflecting when you admitted doing it. But hey, whatever makes you feel better at night. And Sandusky is in a jail cell yelling "what little boy."

 

[jerryskids 6,926]

The ad says GM and Chrysler both outsourced jobs to China. Neither did. It is a complete and total fabrication.

 

Which ad? They reference a radio ad but I haven't found it. Their own link within your link says "The Romney ad’s claim about Chrysler building Jeeps in China is, again, literally true."

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Which ad? They reference a radio ad but I haven't found it. Their own link within your link says "The Romney ad’s claim about Chrysler building Jeeps in China is, again, literally true."

 

Chrysler is going to build Jeeps in China for the Chinese market. They are not building Jeeps for the US market. They are not moving jobs over to China and in fact they are adding over a 1,000 jobs here. It's a flat-out lie.

 

And what about GM? Funny how you're silent on that lie.

[Strike 5,748]

Chrysler is going to build Jeeps in China for the Chinese market. They are not building Jeeps for the US market. They are not moving jobs over to China and in fact they are adding over a 1,000 jobs here. It's a flat-out lie.

 

And what about GM? Funny how you're silent on that lie.

 

Just out of curiosity, and I know this is a tangent, but do you think Obama has lied during this campaign?

[Chronic Husker 85]

And the next step is deflection. You weren't deflecting when you admitted doing it.

Admitted doing what? Again, more vague nonsense.

 

This is why I have no respect for you. You're an angry man with nothing to offer to society.

 

The people in your life want nothing to do with you because of your personality so you come here spouting the same nonsense every time you get drunk. You have nowhere else to go.

 

I almost feel bad for how you must feel when you wake up in the morning. That sobering moment when you realize how much of a d-bag you truly are. Just have to make it through the day so you can drink yourself silly and return to your tired insults at random strangers.

 

Almost.

[bonkbonk 5]

Romney's campaign is shooting itself in the foot. They are trying to trick stupid people. Stupid people don't like being tricked.

[Strike 5,748]

Admitted doing what? Again, more vague nonsense.

 

This is why I have no respect for you. You're an angry man with nothing to offer to society.

 

The people in your life want nothing to do with you because of your personality so you come here spouting the same nonsense every time you get drunk. You have nowhere else to go.

 

I almost feel bad for how you must feel when you wake up in the morning. That sobering moment when you realize how much of a d-bag you truly are. Just have to make it through the day so you can drink yourself silly and return to your tired insults at random strangers.

 

Almost.

 

ROFLMAO. I've already stated what you admitted to doing. Oops, I didn't save the threads and Latin Pimp destroyed them. So you're using the opportunity to try to pretend something you're probably pretty ashamed about didn't happen. As I said, I can understand that. Doesn't change history though. I'm sure Torrid Joe would pretend he didn't say being here illegally isn't a crime if he were still around too. But unfortunately for both of you those of us who've been here a long time know the truth.

 

As far as the drunk thing goes, I've barely drank since I got my new job. And I'm certainly not drunk now.

 

:banana:

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Just out of curiosity, and I know this is a tangent, but do you think Obama has lied during this campaign?

 

Do you have an example of two large American companies coming out and calling Obama a liar during this campaign?

 

It isn't Romney's act of lying that's surprising--unfortunately we have come to expect that from our politicians today, Romney especially. It's that the lie was so ridiculously over the top that companies which normally try to stay the hell out of politics (at least in the public eye, anyway) had to come out and say that he's a focking liar.

[drobeski 3,061]

Is this anything like lying about the murder of our ambassador or much worse ?

[Strike 5,748]

Do you have an example of two large American companies coming out and calling Obama a liar during this campaign?

 

It isn't Romney's act of lying that's surprising--unfortunately we have come to expect that from our politicians today, Romney especially. It's that the lie was so ridiculously over the top that companies which normally try to stay the hell out of politics (at least in the public eye, anyway) had to come out and say that he's a focking liar.

 

You didn't answer my question. And do you really think it's fair to give GM credibility when the government still owns a huge chunk of it?

 

[Strike 5,748]

Do you have an example of two large American companies coming out and calling Obama a liar during this campaign?

 

It isn't Romney's act of lying that's surprising--unfortunately we have come to expect that from our politicians today, Romney especially. It's that the lie was so ridiculously over the top that companies which normally try to stay the hell out of politics (at least in the public eye, anyway) had to come out and say that he's a focking liar.

 

Here's one: