GM & Chrysler: Mitt Romney is a focking liar

[drobeski 3,061]

So worms and other hypocrite liberals, is this lie equal to, on a lesser level, or much worse than lying about the murders of our ambassador and navy seals ?

Simple question, multiple choice.

[Strike 5,748]

Do you have an example of two large American companies coming out and calling Obama a liar during this campaign?

 

It isn't Romney's act of lying that's surprising--unfortunately we have come to expect that from our politicians today, Romney especially. It's that the lie was so ridiculously over the top that companies which normally try to stay the hell out of politics (at least in the public eye, anyway) had to come out and say that he's a focking liar.

 

Why are you limiting the lies to only ones where large companies call someone out? Isn't a lie a lie? Honestly, I consider Obama's lies about Benghazi much worse than anything about outsourcing to China. One involved the unnecessary loss of American lives. But you wouldn't care about things like that.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,386]

Chrysler is going to build Jeeps in China for the Chinese market. They are not building Jeeps for the US market. They are not moving jobs over to China and in fact they are adding over a 1,000 jobs here. It's a flat-out lie.

 

And what about GM? Funny how you're silent on that lie.

 

um guess what building Jeeps in China for the Chinese market is outsourcing. There is this little thing called importing and exporting. They could give every job to people here and export them to China for the Chinese market just the same.

[nikki2200 4]

um guess what building Jeeps in China for the Chinese market is outsourcing. There is this little thing called importing and exporting. They could give every job to people here and export them to China for the Chinese market just the same.

 

 

um guess what there is a little thing called currency conversion and another little thing called oppressive Chinese import duties which if they decided to participate in the little thing called exporting and made the jeeps in the US and sell them to China the cost would be extravagant in the current Chinese market for anyone in China to be able to afford to buy the jeeps therefore rendering the whole endeavor fruitless.

 

Number of the day

$189,750

That's how much Chrysler's Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 sells for in China. The price, inflated by import duties, is more than three times the U.S. cost of $54,470. While there's surging demand for SUVs in China, three decades of changing ownership at Jeep have left it without any local production. Jeep sales in the country rose 63 percent last year to 19,013 vehicles - less than three days' worth of GM's sales in China.

 

 

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Jeep-Grand-Cherokee-SRT8-189-750-in-China-3578460.php#ixzz2AxTxwkek

 

 

[drobeski 3,061]

So worms and other hypocrite liberals, is this lie equal to, on a lesser level, or much worse than lying about the murders of our ambassador and navy seals ?

Simple question, multiple choice.

Bump

[MTSkiBum 1,625]

General Motors reported third-quarter earnings of $1.48 billion, or 89 cents per share, this morning as robust profits in North America more than offset continuing losses in Europe.

 

The quarter's results were a decline of 15% from $1.7 billion, or $1.03 per share, a year ago but still blew through Wall Street expectations. Excluding special items, earnings per share were 93 cents.

 

Net revenue was up 2% to $37.6 billion vs. $36.7 billion a year ago, about $2 billion more than expected, driven by both volume and higher pricing. Through three quarters this year GM has increased both U.S. sales (up 3.5% year over year) and average transaction price (up 0.6%), according to Edmunds.com data. Its U.S. market share, however, is down to about 18% from more than 20% a year ago when Japanese makers were still recovering from the Japanese tsunami and Thai floods.

 

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2012/10/31/gm-general-motors-q3-earnings/1670015/

 

I am shocked at how well General motors has recovered, why the hell would i buy a chevy cobalt(cavaliar or whatever they are calling it nowdays) when I could buy a toyota corrolla for the same price. The toyota will last twice as long and hold its resale value much better.

 

 

What the increase in profits tells me is that Chevy has more blind loyalty than any other brand.

[phillybear 366]

So, the federal government illegally seizes private corporations, fires the people running it, pours a sh!t load of money into a pit that will never be repaid, launders some money through the unions that comes back shiny clean into Obama's campaign fund, and this is a selling point of somebody's re-election campaign and NOT grounds for impeachment?

 

Are you people stupid?

[MDC 7,590]

Sure you are. And MDC is a registered Republican.

 

 

[Mike Honcho 5,332]

Anytime. I'm just enjoying your hissy fit. When you gonna start the thread about Obama being a lieing sack? Oh, right. That'll never happen cause you're just a partisan hack. You're just gonna go to the voting booth next week and vote Dem top to bottom despite not knowing who any of the people are, just like usual. You're a true American.

 

 

Ironical

 

And the next step is deflection. You weren't deflecting when you admitted doing it. But hey, whatever makes you feel better at night. And Sandusky is in a jail cell yelling "what little boy."

 

 

Hey, dummy, it was Lawrence Phillips. And back in the old days we gave CH crap about it cause he's a Nebraska fan. But you know that, cause you got all the facts....

[Bruce Benedict 0]

Bump

Pity bump.

 

Learning about their tragic deaths sooner wouldn't bring them back you sad, sad, stupid, treasonous man.

[Strike 5,748]

 

Hey, dummy, it was Lawrence Phillips. And back in the old days we gave CH crap about it cause he's a Nebraska fan. But you know that, cause you got all the facts....

 

Joined: 18-July 09

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Anyone have a link to this ad so we can see how Worms is twisting it?

 

I think Jerry has pretty much put this one to bed. Better luck next time, Worms.

[drobeski 3,061]

Pity bump.

 

Learning about their tragic deaths sooner wouldn't bring themthem back you sad, sad, stupid, treasonous man.

Treason is what your dear leader appears guilty of, good point.

Wouldn't suprise me a commy douche like you supports his actions.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

I an shocked that GM and Chrysler would enter the fray on Obama's side after he bailed them out.

[Mike Honcho 5,332]

Joined: 18-July 09

 

 

Sherlock, it's possible to use more than one handle. You should quit now, you're losing badly.

[Mike Honcho 5,332]

Which ad? They reference a radio ad but I haven't found it. Their own link within your link says "The Romney ad's claim about Chrysler building Jeeps in China is, again, literally true."

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ8P04q6jqE

[Recliner Pilot 61]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ8P04q6jqE

So, Jerry was right and Worms is a whiny bagina who is twisting the ad.

 

Thanks for the link.

[Strike 5,748]

Sherlock, it's possible to use more than one handle. You should quit now, you're losing badly.

 

Actually it's against the TOS. In any case, you get the credibility your handle has developed. If you want to speak to something that predates your join date then log in as the handle that was here then. Otherwise.....

 

[jerryskids 6,926]

Chrysler is going to build Jeeps in China for the Chinese market. They are not building Jeeps for the US market. They are not moving jobs over to China and in fact they are adding over a 1,000 jobs here. It's a flat-out lie.

 

And what about GM? Funny how you're silent on that lie.

For a lawyer, you are pretty loose with words like "flat-out lie." I'm not silent on anything. Your own link doesn't have the ad to which you are referring. On the left of your link is a link which includes the video ad that Mike Honcho posted, which is the same one I mentioned and the same one I originally quoted from Politifact: while misleading, it is literally correct.

 

What I think happened is that Romney's campaign put out a "misleading but literally correct ad," the left blogosphere had a hissy fit and started calling him a bald-faced liar, and you are leading the charge perpetuating that rather serious libelous accusation.

 

Or... if you are talking about a different ad, post it here and maybe I'll change my opinion.

[Frank M 181]

Actually it's against the TOS. In any case, you get the credibility your handle has developed. If you want to speak to something that predates your join date then log in as the handle that was here then. Otherwise.....

 

 

Wow, this is weak, even for you.

[Mike Honcho 5,332]

Actually it's against the TOS. In any case, you get the credibility your handle has developed. If you want to speak to something that predates your join date then log in as the handle that was here then. Otherwise.....

 

 

You are lying about CH and you want to talk about credibility...

[Phurfur 70]

GM earnings down 12% last quarter.

[KSB2424 3,148]

For a lawyer, you are pretty loose with words like "flat-out lie." I'm not silent on anything. Your own link doesn't have the ad to which you are referring. On the left of your link is a link which includes the video ad that Mike Honcho posted, which is the same one I mentioned and the same one I originally quoted from Politifact: while misleading, it is literally correct.

 

What I think happened is that Romney's campaign put out a "misleading but literally correct ad," the left blogosphere had a hissy fit and started calling him a bald-faced liar, and you are leading the charge perpetuating that rather serious libelous accusation.

 

Or... if you are talking about a different ad, post it here and maybe I'll change my opinion.

 

POW!!!

[IGotWorms 4,060]

For a lawyer, you are pretty loose with words like "flat-out lie." I'm not silent on anything. Your own link doesn't have the ad to which you are referring. On the left of your link is a link which includes the video ad that Mike Honcho posted, which is the same one I mentioned and the same one I originally quoted from Politifact: while misleading, it is literally correct.

 

What I think happened is that Romney's campaign put out a "misleading but literally correct ad," the left blogosphere had a hissy fit and started calling him a bald-faced liar, and you are leading the charge perpetuating that rather serious libelous accusation.

 

Or... if you are talking about a different ad, post it here and maybe I'll change my opinion.

 

It's a focking flat-out lie jerry. The ads say Chrysler and GM are moving jobs to China and they are not. Period.

 

Jesus you have turned in to such a pathetic loser of a hack. Even bringing up that lawyer sh!t like you're Strike or focking RP. Are you proud of yourself these days?

[Herbivore 1,146]

Isn't it Bold faced liar? not bald faced liar.

[Phurfur 70]

It's a focking flat-out lie jerry. The ads say Chrysler and GM are moving jobs to China and they are not. Period.

 

Jesus you have turned in to such a pathetic loser of a hack. Even bringing up that lawyer sh!t like you're Strike or focking RP. Are you proud of yourself these days?

 

OK I'll play.

 

And how is that working for them? GM earnings were down 12% last quarter. They will need another bailout in the next 4 years, we will see how Romney handles this abortion of a company.

[jerryskids 6,926]

It's a focking flat-out lie jerry. The ads say Chrysler and GM are moving jobs to China and they are not. Period.

 

Jesus you have turned in to such a pathetic loser of a hack. Even bringing up that lawyer sh!t like you're Strike or focking RP. Are you proud of yourself these days?

Watch. The. Ad. It does NOT say what you said. It says something like "Obama sold Chrysler to an Italian company who is going to build Jeeps in China." That is a literally true statement.

 

Frankly I don't like the ad, mostly the comment about Obama taking them into bankruptcy, because that is what Romney planned to do and IMO he is lowering himself to Obama's level (when Obama says Romney wanted those companies to "go bankrupt.")

 

The question of outsourcing is one of interpretation. If you let go 15K people in one year, then add people in China in a subsequent year, that is sorta like outsourcing. Which I understand, but again Obama is usually the one pandering to stupid people with "Romney invests in China" drivel.

 

Sorry about the lawyer comment. You are frustrating me with your unwillingness to objectively attempt to see my point, but my comment was uncalled for. Internet friends?

[Phurfur 70]

Watch. The. Ad. It does NOT say what you said. It says something like "Obama sold Chrysler to an Italian company who is going to build Jeeps in China." That is a literally true statement.

 

Frankly I don't like the ad, mostly the comment about Obama taking them into bankruptcy, because that is what Romney planned to do and IMO he is lowering himself to Obama's level (when Obama says Romney wanted those companies to "go bankrupt.")

 

The question of outsourcing is one of interpretation. If you let go 15K people in one year, then add people in China in a subsequent year, that is sorta like outsourcing. Which I understand, but again Obama is usually the one pandering to stupid people with "Romney invests in China" drivel.

 

Sorry about the lawyer comment. You are frustrating me with your unwillingness to objectively attempt to see my point, but my comment was uncalled for. Internet friends?

 

Forget it; you are talking to a guy who believes he is a lawyer.

[Casual Observer 597]

There is no real difference between building a plant in China to manufacture and market those vehicles in China and outsourcing. The question is are they doing so to get around some kind of Chinese tariff on vehicles not manufactured in China. If that's the case, the U.S. ought to take notes and consider revising its opinion on free trade deals.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Watch. The. Ad. It does NOT say what you said. It says something like "Obama sold Chrysler to an Italian company who is going to build Jeeps in China." That is a literally true statement.

 

Frankly I don't like the ad, mostly the comment about Obama taking them into bankruptcy, because that is what Romney planned to do and IMO he is lowering himself to Obama's level (when Obama says Romney wanted those companies to "go bankrupt.")

 

The question of outsourcing is one of interpretation. If you let go 15K people in one year, then add people in China in a subsequent year, that is sorta like outsourcing. Which I understand, but again Obama is usually the one pandering to stupid people with "Romney invests in China" drivel.

 

Sorry about the lawyer comment. You are frustrating me with your unwillingness to objectively attempt to see my point, but my comment was uncalled for. Internet friends?

 

I think you're getting way too desperate in parsing words and splitting hairs. When you get that far out there in defense of this ad, it indicates to me that the ad is a straight focking lie.

 

Internet friends for sure. Sorry to jump down your throat. The "lawyer" thing is just annoying because it implies that I am supposed to always act like I would in a professional setting, which obviously would completely destroy the point of posting on the Geek Club in the first place.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I think you're getting way too desperate in parsing words and splitting hairs. When you get that far out there in defense of this ad, it indicates to me that the ad is a straight focking lie.

 

Internet friends for sure. Sorry to jump down your throat. The "lawyer" thing is just annoying because it implies that I am supposed to always act like I would in a professional setting, which obviously would completely destroy the point of posting on the Geek Club in the first place.

He is taking the ad for what it actually says.

 

You, however, are not.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

It's a focking flat-out lie jerry. The ads say Chrysler and GM are moving jobs to China and they are not. Period.

GM makes cars in China that are then exported to other parts of the world. If you want to make the claim that those cars could not have been built in the US, fine. But know you are wrong about moving jobs to China. Period.

[thePIMPmaster 0]

None of this really matters anyway. Romney is losing and desperate.

[Phurfur 70]

None of this really matters anyway. Romney is losing and desperate.

 

Romney 300+

[MDC 7,590]

... we will see how Romney handles this abortion of a company.

 

No, we won't.

[jerryskids 6,926]

Well that's what is so shocking about these particular ads. It's not like most political "lies" where there is some possible way to spin it as somebody's version of the truth: this is just flat-out, 100% demonstrably incorrect. And he knows it. And yet he keeps running the ads. It's the most cynical type of negative advertising I've ever heard of, and that's saying something.

 

 

I think you're getting way too desperate in parsing words and splitting hairs. When you get that far out there in defense of this ad, it indicates to me that the ad is a straight focking lie.

 

Internet friends for sure. Sorry to jump down your throat. The "lawyer" thing is just annoying because it implies that I am supposed to always act like I would in a professional setting, which obviously would completely destroy the point of posting on the Geek Club in the first place.

When someone uses words like "demonstrably false" and "flat-out lie", and differentiates these ads from other political ads because there is no possible spin, it seems relevant to correct that mistake.

[DankNuggs 305]

The ad says GM and Chrysler both outsourced jobs to China. Neither did. It is a complete and total fabrication.

They cut jobs here, and added jobs overseas, where the market for their products is better... Some in the world of reality would call a smart strategy, but given the democratic rhetoric on business prudence, it would be seen through their own lens as outsourcing...

 

 

They've also gone for a highly visible #1 car maker, to a very quiet and silent #3 and falling... The lipstick is rubbing off of the pig...

[nikki2200 4]

So, the federal government illegally seizes private corporations, fires the people running it, pours a sh!t load of money into a pit that will never be repaid, launders some money through the unions that comes back shiny clean into Obama's campaign fund, and this is a selling point of somebody's re-election campaign and NOT grounds for impeachment?

 

Are you people stupid?

 

[nikki2200 4]

There is no real difference between building a plant in China to manufacture and market those vehicles in China and outsourcing. The question is are they doing so to get around some kind of Chinese tariff on vehicles not manufactured in China. If that's the case, the U.S. ought to take notes and consider revising its opinion on free trade deals.

 

Imma go out on a limb here and venture to guess that they are not the only companies that are currently expanding their manufacturing presence in China to provide products to the Chinese market. It's kind of a whacky concept, but I'm thinking it may be happening with other companies too.

 

Dear god.....

 

As for the bolded, that's a brilliant idea. Unfortunately none of our elected officials seem to see this as something that they would like to even discuss so they stick to important things like gay marriage instead.

[Phurfur 70]

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