So This Drone Thing

[Voltaire 5,429]

As for Rand Paul's concern, it ought to be stated clearly that American non-combatants should be excluded from drone strikes.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Worms already did the work for me.

 

Say/spin what you want, the links are there for anyone curious enough to see your denial is full of sh*t.

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Still waiting for you so show where I ever said I don't think we should be using drones overseas, Matlock.

 

 

tic....toc......

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Still waiting for you so show where I ever said I don't think we should be using drones overseas, Matlock.

 

 

tic....toc......

 

You must have missed my links earlier:

 

 

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=391002

 

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=416484

 

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=416380

 

 

Let me give you just one example:

 

Just offet Al Alwahi and another American in Yeman using drones.

 

At least he didn't send them to Gitmo. That would be cruel and get his lefty base pixxed off.

 

I'm pretty sure "Yeman" isn't in the United States.

 

There's plenty more where that came from

[Recliner Pilot 61]

X

 

I was questioning whether or not due process was used, or should be applied, to Americans overseas. If we woulda used an F-15 or a tank to kill him the questions I raised would still apply.

 

If has nothing to do with it being done with a drone.

 

Keep searching for where I said drones should not be used overseas.

 

ETA: If you read the thread I brought up the possibility the idea of killing Americans without due process would get expanded.......and SHAZAM! we now have Eric Holder saying Obama can legally use a drone in the U.S. to kill Americans without due process.

 

Dayum! I'm a smart futhermucker. :banana:

[IGotWorms 4,060]

X

 

I was questioning whether or not due process was used, or should be applied, to Americans overseas. If we woulda used an F-15 or a tank to kill him the questions I raised would still apply.

 

If has nothing to do with it being done with a drone.

 

 

They're your words, not mine:

 

Just offet Al Alwahi and another American in Yeman using drones.

 

At least he didn't send them to Gitmo. That would be cruel and get his lefty base pixxed off.

 

Lest you claim I am taking your post out of context, here is another example:

 

First, Americans are covered by the Constitution, and our laws. There is this little thing called due process.

 

Capturing prisoners gives you the opportunity to get information from them. This is how Bin Laden was killed. Killing them with drones, while I agree is a good thing at times, isn't the best answer every time. It's being used when we could capture them so that Obama doesn't have to take any heat for keeping them prisoner.

 

Here is a whole damn thread YOU started about how terrible Obama is for ordering drone strikes overseas: http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=416380

 

Let the desperate backtracking begin

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Killing them with drones, while I agree is a good thing at times, isn't the best answer every time.

 

Good find, Matlock.

 

Thanks for proving my position that I have not said I opposed using drones overseas. :pointstosky:

 

 

 

Stay down, Worms......stay down.

[MDC 7,737]

If this was a boxing match Worms would've won by TKO in the first.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

If this was a boxing match Worms would've won by TKO in the first.

 

No kidding. I'm just beating on an unconscious body at this point

[Recliner Pilot 61]

No kidding. I'm just beating on an unconscious body at this point

Still waiting for you to show me where I said we shouldn't be using drones overseas.

 

You did show where I said it as a good thing, but not always the best answer.

 

No amount of circle-jerking between you and MDC will cover you getting caught in another lie, Matlock. :lol:

[Voltaire 5,429]

Good find, Matlock.

 

Thanks for proving my position that I have not said I opposed using drones overseas. :pointstosky:

 

 

 

Stay down, Worms......stay down.

 

Who cares? It's all a distraction on your part, since nobody ever accused you of saying that anyways. I've gone through this thread and the only person that ever talked about what you said/ didn't say about drone use overseas is you. The germaine point isn't your attempt at distration, it's why do you hate Obama so much that you cry over dead terrorists and worry about the Miranda rights of guys who are activly planning bomb attacks in the US.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Who cares? It's all a distraction on your part, since nobody ever accused you of saying that anyways.

Um yes, Worms did.

 

Let's recap:

 

ME: "Who said anything about not using drones overseas?"

 

 

WORMS: "You did. Numerous times."

 

ME:"Um, no I didn't. Howsabout you fetch me a quote where I said we shouldn't be using drones overseas." :patshead:

 

WORMS: search.....hunt....peck.....search...."AHA! Right here, here is where you said we shouldn't be using drones overseas"

 

:dropsquoteathismastersfeet:

 

 

Killing them with drones, while I agree is a good thing at times, isn't the best answer every time.

 

 

ME: "Uh, actually Dumbass, that quote proves you are a lying sack.:rollsupnewspaperandswatsnose:

 

WORMS: :charliesheenmeltdownmode: WINNING!! :charliesheenmeltdownmode:

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Poor little fella's gone delusional

[wiffleball 4,795]

Everytime I hear the word "drone", I can't help but think of some kind of super Al Gore weapon.

 

"As we build a bridge into the 21st century...."

 

 

"Stop! Stop! Anything but that DRONING ON AND ON!"

[Voltaire 5,429]

Just to clarify, RP brought up the "Prove I didn't say that about drone use overseas" thing in a response to me not saying anything about that.So I thought it was a distraction. Then worms brought out this: http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=416380 which would strongly imply that is RP's position after all. So if RP could just clarify what the point he ws trying to make in that link was, that may be helpful.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Just to clarify, RP brought up the "Prove I didn't say that about drone use overseas" thing in a response to me not saying anything about that.So I thought it was a distraction. Then worms brought out this: http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=416380 which would strongly imply that is RP's position after all. So if RP could just clarify what the point he ws trying to make in that link was, that may be helpful.

 

You were talking about mmmmm....beer and his men using drones etc...

I was under the impression he is in, or was in, the military. Hence, I thought you were talking about overseas drone strikes.

 

 

1. I questioned the legality of killing an American without due process, and threw out the possibility of it getting expanded into the U.S. Holder has since confirmed he thinks Obama has the right to use drones inside the U.S. to assassinate Americans without charges or trials.

 

2. As my quote clearly stated, while drone strikes on ragheads are a good thing, sometimes it is better to capture them and get as much intel from them as possible. People in the intel community have said their sources are drying up cuz Obama just kills them instead of taking the long view of using them as a resource whenever possible. He wants to avoid sending them to Gitmo for purely political reasons. As proof, just look at the guy he brought to NY for trial instead of Gitmo.

 

I thought I was pretty clear about all that in the thread Worms linked.

 

In any event, he managed to out himself as a lying sack with it.

[MDC 7,737]

So if RP could just clarify what the point he ws trying to make in that link was, that may be helpful.

 

Obummer!

 

There, I just saved you a lot of time.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Just to clarify, RP brought up the "Prove I didn't say that about drone use overseas" thing in a response to me not saying anything about that.So I thought it was a distraction. Then worms brought out this: http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=416380 which would strongly imply that is RP's position after all. So if RP could just clarify what the point he ws trying to make in that link was, that may be helpful.

 

RP saw an opportunity to go after Obummer, so he started talking about how terrible it was that Obama was targeting Americans with drone strikes overseas. But like most conservatives, he isn't actually opposed to the practice. So he's been put in a rather awkward position of trying to hammer Obama over it while maintaining that he isn't necessarily opposed to the general idea.

 

It's quite a conundrum, and obviously it can lead to moments where one is exposed as a massive fraud.

 

As for why he brought up overseas strikes with you in this thread, I assume he misunderstood what you were trying to say. People with inferior intellects are often easily confused.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Stay down, Worms.....stay down.

 

You are floundering around here, and it isn't changing the fact you got exposed as a liar.....again. :lol:

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Now RP is trying to preserve some dignity by telling me to "stay down", thus implying some possibility that he got the upper hand in this exchange.

 

But of course he actually got smacked down hard has no dignity left to preserve.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

why do you hate Obama so much that you cry over dead terrorists and worry about the Miranda rights of guys who are activly planning bomb attacks in the US.

 

God help me, I'm gonna take rp's side...

 

 

The answer is, because today the do it on enemy combatants abroad, tomorrow Americans at home, the day after that, god knows.

 

I believe in due process, for EVERYONE. if you stand by and watch someone else get killed arbitrarily, who will be left to object when they declare YOU an "enemy combatant" with no hearing?

[wiffleball 4,795]

God help me, I'm gonna take rp's side...

 

 

The answer is, because today the do it on enemy combatants abroad, tomorrow Americans at home, the day after that, god knows.

 

I believe in due process, for EVERYONE. if you stand by and watch someone else get killed arbitrarily, who will be left to object when they declare YOU an "enemy combatant" with no hearing?

 

So, you're making an argument that we should never go to war because of the ol' "slippery slope"??

[IGotWorms 4,060]

God help me, I'm gonna take rp's side...

 

 

The answer is, because today the do it on enemy combatants abroad, tomorrow Americans at home, the day after that, god knows.

 

I believe in due process, for EVERYONE. if you stand by and watch someone else get killed arbitrarily, who will be left to object when they declare YOU an "enemy combatant" with no hearing?

 

I agree with you. I've been very uncomfortable with drone strikes on Americans since we first heard of it. I think Holder should be fired and the whole program disavowed. But you're not taking RP's side. At least not when it comes to strikes abroad. RP is fine with it but also wants to "score points" against Obama.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

So, you're making an argument that we should never go to war because of the ol' "slippery slope"??

 

No. I am talking about using drones on Americans, not war.

[Voltaire 5,429]

So, you're making an argument that we should never go to war because of the ol' "slippery slope"??

This is my take. There's only two high profile Americans working for/with al Qaeda in overseas hideouts and when one was cured of his lead deficency, ACLU Pilot went itno deep mourning sobbing uncontrollably over his lost buddy. If/when Adam Gadahn's ass collides with his head, this whole problem goes away. The rest is just bullsh*t.

[wiffleball 4,795]

No. I am talking about using drones on Americans, not war.

 

 

God help me, I'm gonna take rp's side...

 

 

The answer is, because today the do it on enemy combatants abroad, tomorrow Americans at home, the day after that, god knows.

 

I believe in due process, for EVERYONE. if you stand by and watch someone else get killed arbitrarily, who will be left to object when they declare YOU an "enemy combatant" with no hearing?

 

Okay then, I'll give you the BOD that your post above is just inadequately written. To wit:

 

When you say you "believe EVERYONE should have due process", everyone means exactly that. We can't exactly mirandize and run everyone fighting against us through full on jurisprudence. Kerry got absolutely RIPPED for that. So, I'll assume by 'EVERYONE', you mean 'Every American'.

 

Also when you talk about '...they do it on EC's abroad, then yadda yadda... Again, I'll imagine you mean Americans declared EC's? Because again, what you've written basically precludes all warfare as we know it.

 

And I don't see that happening.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

This is my take. There's only two high profile Americans working for/with al Qaeda in overseas hideouts and when one was cured of his lead deficency, ACLU Pilot went itno deep mourning sobbing uncontrollably over his lost buddy. If/when Adam Gadahn's ass collides with his head, this whole problem goes away. The rest is just bullsh*t.

 

Sobbing uncontrollably???

 

Now you are starting to sound like that lying sack Worms.\

 

 

 

There have been 3 Americans killed by drones abroad, that we know of.

 

One was the 16 year old son of Awlaki. So far, I have yet to hear anyone claim he was a terrorist.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I agree with you. I've been very uncomfortable with drone strikes on Americans since we first heard of it. I think Holder should be fired and the whole program disavowed. But you're not taking RP's side. At least not when it comes to strikes abroad. RP is fine with it but also wants to "score points" against Obama.

So, now I'm fine with drone strikes abroad?

 

I didn't try to score points against Obama, he just happens to be the President at the time. I don't want any POTUS, Rep or Dem, to have the power to assassinate Americans without due process.

 

And I said as much in the thread you linked that proved you are a lying sack.

[cbfalcon 827]

So, now I'm fine with drone strikes abroad?

 

Are you? Or are you with Titans and against them all together? Maybe you've been crystal clear and taken a stance, and I missed it?

[drobeski 3,061]

Im sure the aclu is over this

[frank 2,331]

Drones have never been in my kitchen.

[Chronic Husker 86]

Drones have never been in my kitchen.

[nikki2200 4]

Im sure the aclu is over this

 

If you mean over this, they are not over it.

 

If you meant all over this, you are correct, including filing a lawsuit against Panetta for what they consider an unconstitutional killing of the Al-whacky dude and his son.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Okay then, I'll give you the BOD that your post above is just inadequately written. To wit:

 

When you say you "believe EVERYONE should have due process", everyone means exactly that. We can't exactly mirandize and run everyone fighting against us through full on jurisprudence. Kerry got absolutely RIPPED for that. So, I'll assume by 'EVERYONE', you mean 'Every American'.

 

Also when you talk about '...they do it on EC's abroad, then yadda yadda... Again, I'll imagine you mean Americans declared EC's? Because again, what you've written basically precludes all warfare as we know it.

 

And I don't see that happening.

 

I'm sorry, I meant American "enemy combatants" like that guy a while back. If you wanna done strike terrorist camps, go nuts. And in a situation like the American terrorist, an in abstentia hearing with appointed counsel in secret is adequate.

 

Of course, I DO sorry due process for EVERYONE We capture, like those guys at got no.

[drobeski 3,061]

It's cute how the pathetic libtards gang like to just make stuff up and stick with it the ultimate portrayal of failure.

[Voltaire 5,429]

Sobbing uncontrollably???

 

Now you are starting to sound like that lying sack Worms.\

 

 

 

There have been 3 Americans killed by drones abroad, that we know of.

 

One was the 16 year old son of Awlaki. So far, I have yet to hear anyone claim he was a terrorist.

It was all done with one shot and the other fockstick was a surprise bonus. As for the kid, too bad his mother didn't win custody.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

It was all done with one shot and the other fockstick was a surprise bonus. As for the kid, too bad his mother didn't win custody.

So, it's not just American fukktards you are OK blowing up without due process, it's innocent American children as well.

 

Duly noted.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Bump

[Giants Fan 85]

Oh dude ... I saw something weird today, over Tucson. Like a small drone thwt looked, and flew like a hawk. I thought it was a hawk until I saw a mitalllic glint to it. Totally coulda been just some consumer level drone that I saw, but I am not aware of any metalic birds in Arizona.

 

Imagine, and I have said this before, the fly drone. When you can create and run a drone that looks exactly like a housefly ... whoever does that first, could, control the world.