- The Jets Thread 2013 -

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

So I figured the Seahawks and Eagles have their own threads going (both teams with no Lombardi Trophy to their names) why can't we?

 

What a far cry from 2009/2010 when the Jets were on the rise.

 

Lets discuss our "team" here.

 

 

 

 

(over/under on how many posts before a Flahawker sighting?)

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

Offseason thus far

 

Mike Tannenbaum is out and John Idzik is in, formerly of the Seahawks.

Rex Ryan remains as HC with new offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg as OC and Dennis Thurman at DC. I like both coordinators as upgrades over Sparano/Pettine. Mike Westhoff will be missed on special teams.

 

Gone

Bart Scott - good cut to clear cap room

Jason Smith - obvious cut for cap room

Eric Smith - FA

Calvin Pace - another cap move

Mike DeVito - signed with Chiefs

Matt Slauson - signed with Bears

Brandon Moore - FA

LaRon Landry - signed with Colts

Yeremiah Bell - signed with Cardinals

Shonn Greene - signed with Titans

 

Darrelle Revis - traded to Tampa for 2013 pick #13 and a 2014 3rd rounder.

 

Analysis: the cutting of Scott, Smith, Smith and Pace cleared a lot of cap room. I didn't want to see Landry go but with his health concerns I think he would ahve cost us too much to keep. DeVito was another guy I would have liked to keep. The Revis deal is unique. He is a great player and I would have loved to keep him in New York but not for 16 million per year. The Jets could not afford that for a CB coming off an ACL injury. I think it was good to get something for him now before he left as a free agent in 2014.

I view all the other guys who left as addition by subtraction.

 

Additions

 

Antonio Garay DT - yawn. cheap depth

Antwan Barnes DE/OLB - I like this signing. Low risk with potential. 11 sacks in 2011

Willie Colon G - another good signing. Low risk/ low cost for a good lineman when healthy. Instant upgrade from Slauson.

Dawan Landry S - another low cost / low risk signing.

mike Goodson RB - underrated guy can be explosive

Calvin Pace OLB - hes back for less $

 

analysis: Bargain hunting. No splashy moves for a team that can't afford it. Almost all of these signings were cost effective with upside.

 

Draft

 

1.09 - Dee Milliner, CB

1.13 - Sheldon Richardson, DT

2.07 - Geno Smith, QB

3.10 - Brian Winters, OG

4.09 - traded to New Orleans for Chris Ivory, RB

5.08 - Oday Aboushi, OT

6.10 - Williams Campbell, DT projects as OG

7.09 - Tommy Bohanon, FB

 

Analysis: With not a lot of offensive skill talent and Tavon Austin off the board, the Jets added two very good prospects to their defense. I like that Milliner is hard nosed and tough and Richardson has really grown on me since reading about him and watching his presser.

They also added some o-line depth which was a need butt he real swing pick to this draft will be Geno Smith. I maintain it was a low risk pick. Doesn't cost them a lot and he could turn out to be a gem. If not, oh well.

[MDC 7,164]

So I figured the Seahawks and Eagles have their own threads going (both teams with no Lombardi Trophy to their names) why can't we?

 

You can have your own thread but the Jets Super Bowl win was in the same decade as the Eagles NFL championship and both happened well before I was born FWIW.

 

Jets are in for a really rough year - I can't see more than 5-6 wins.

[weepaws 3,158]

i think the jets and there fans should be very excited going into this next season ....that there is still only four teams in there divison .....so that they cant finish any worst then 4th ....the jets are a bad looking team and i think they don't win 5 games ....from what i see on paper so far ....

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

I'm not predicting more than 4 or 5 wins. Just talking about their off season thus far.

 

and Weepaws, your analysis on fantasy is weak at best.

[BufordT 428]

Am I the only schmuck that thinks Mark Sanchez can be a winning QB in this league??

 

2009 - His rookie year, he struggles for the most part but that's what most rookies do.

 

2010 - His 2nd year, shows solid improvement in just about every QB statistic.

 

2011 - His 3rd year, again improves on the previous year....considerably. Throws 26 TD's and rushes for another 6 TD's. That's 32 total TDs. Not too shabby.

 

2012 - Bring on Tebow circus show. Sanchez shows off a fragile psyche and goes on to have a poor year.

 

2013 - If he gets the chance and Santonio Holmes stays healthy, I can see Sanchez having a similar year to 2011.

 

Fantasy wise, he was a top 10 QB in most formats in 2011.

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

Am I the only schmuck that thinks Mark Sanchez can be a winning QB in this league??

 

2009 - His rookie year, he struggles for the most part but that's what most rookies do.

 

2010 - His 2nd year, shows solid improvement in just about every QB statistic.

 

2011 - His 3rd year, again improves on the previous year....considerably. Throws 26 TD's and rushes for another 6 TD's. That's 32 total TDs. Not too shabby.

 

2012 - Bring on Tebow circus show. Sanchez shows off a fragile psyche and goes on to have a poor year.

 

2013 - If he gets the chance and Santonio Holmes stays healthy, I can see Sanchez having a similar year to 2011.

 

Fantasy wise, he was a top 10 QB in most formats in 2011.

 

i don't disagree with you although i don't think he showed quite enough improvement over his first three years. The entire Tebow thing did him in.

 

it sounds like he will be on the roster through preseason with a chance to compete for the top spot.

[weepaws 3,158]

I'm not predicting more than 4 or 5 wins. Just talking about their off season thus far.

 

and Weepaws, your analysis on fantasy is weak at best.

 

 

oh no what will i do now .....

[Cstriker 2]

i don't disagree with you although i don't think he showed quite enough improvement over his first three years. The entire Tebow thing did him in.

 

it sounds like he will be on the roster through preseason with a chance to compete for the top spot.

 

 

who were his receivers in 3 years? A mediocre santonio holmes?

 

They did him in the day they refused to surround him with good weapons, with their ground and pound macho talk. Fault is with the GM and Coach. Not Sanchez.

 

Now the kid is damaged beyond salvage probably.

 

Happens to the best of QBs that land on shitty teams run by idiots that dont know how to help a young kid grow in to a winner.

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

who were his receivers in 3 years? A mediocre santonio holmes?

 

They did him in the day they refused to surround him with good weapons, with their ground and pound macho talk. Fault is with the GM and Coach. Not Sanchez.

 

Now the kid is damaged beyond salvage probably.

 

Happens to the best of QBs that land on shitty teams run by idiots that dont know how to help a young kid grow in to a winner.

 

 

i find it funny that for the last 3-4 years Sanchez was a bum and one of the worst QB's in the league according to most people. That entire time I always echoed the idea that he needed some weapons and time to mature. Now it looks like the Jets may be going in a different direction and everyone is coming out of the woodwork to defend Sanchez.

 

I do agree with you. In year 2, the Jets did try to give him some weapons. That would be the year they retained Braylon Edwards, traded for Holmes and signed Tomlinson (who was productive his first season in NY). At that point they still had Keller and were still looking at Shonn Greene as their franchise RB. The o-line was also still a strength. It all went south when they didn't resign Edwards, Tomlinson tailed off and Greene turned out to be mediocre.

 

at this point, I think its too late. He was never going to be an Andrew Luck but Luck did pretty well with Reggie Wayne, TY Hilton and average RB/TE play. Cam Newton did pretty well with Steve Smith and an average rushing attack.

 

I definitely put most of the blame on our former GM but I also no longer think Sanchez has what it takes even if we forget 2012.

[Cstriker 2]

 

i find it funny that for the last 3-4 years Sanchez was a bum and one of the worst QB's in the league according to most people. That entire time I always echoed the idea that he needed some weapons and time to mature. Now it looks like the Jets may be going in a different direction and everyone is coming out of the woodwork to defend Sanchez.

 

I do agree with you. In year 2, the Jets did try to give him some weapons. That would be the year they retained Braylon Edwards, traded for Holmes and signed Tomlinson (who was productive his first season in NY). At that point they still had Keller and were still looking at Shonn Greene as their franchise RB. The o-line was also still a strength. It all went south when they didn't resign Edwards, Tomlinson tailed off and Greene turned out to be mediocre.

 

at this point, I think its too late. He was never going to be an Andrew Luck but Luck did pretty well with Reggie Wayne, TY Hilton and average RB/TE play. Cam Newton did pretty well with Steve Smith and an average rushing attack.

 

I definitely put most of the blame on our former GM but I also no longer think Sanchez has what it takes even if we forget 2012.

 

I always thought Sanchez had the potential but not the support system needed for him to succeed. I dont like the jets and the circus in the regular season on these boreds, why i never participate in those threads.

 

Lets put Luck on current jets squad and see how successful he is. I doubt he makes it out alive. He had a brilliant OC and Wayne who was on top of his game last year.

[Hawkfin 32]

I did not like the Jets free agency at all, but I love there draft.

They got my #1 player at DT, CB, and QB and they got Ivory too. I love this draft.

I think they could have got a steel on G. Smith, and at least worth the risk.

 

They'll struggle to make noise this year, but they added some big parts I think. They need some WR help real bad or they could crush G. Smith spirits.

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

Their free agency was a product of the cap mess tannenbaum created. Didnt have much room to work. I really like the willie colon and antwan barnes deals.

[Hawkfin 32]

Their free agency was a product of the cap mess tannenbaum created. Didnt have much room to work. I really like the willie colon and antwan barnes deals.

I think they gave way to big of a contract on that RB from Oakland though. I don't like him at all. Seemed like big money on a #2 RB at best. I'd even say he's a #3 maybe.

I can't remember some of the other moves, but there was at least 2 others I did not like either.

 

I think it would have been better to just save the money then, and make a stronger splash next year.

 

Seems like more waisted money to me with each move I did see. Just my view though.

 

Love the draft. One of my Fav's.

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

I always thought Sanchez had the potential but not the support system needed for him to succeed. I dont like the jets and the circus in the regular season on these boreds, why i never participate in those threads.

 

Lets put Luck on current jets squad and see how successful he is. I doubt he makes it out alive. He had a brilliant OC and Wayne who was on top of his game last year.

 

I guess my point was Sanchez in year two had as many weapons as Luck did as a rookie and Luck looked far better than Sanchez ever did.

 

Is Holmes Edwards Tomlinson Keller and Greene much worse than Wayne Hilton Allen Ballard Brown? Luck had a better coordinator and Sanchez had a better line back then. People forget how good their line was

[Stewburtx8 67]

 

Lets put Luck on current jets squad and see how successful he is. I doubt he makes it out alive. He had a brilliant OC and Wayne who was on top of his game last year.

 

Trying to compare a rookie in Andrew Luck to a 4th year player in Mark Sanchez is kind of ridiculous, no?

 

I haven't really seen much of anything from Mark Sanchez that tells me he can be an above average NFL QB. He progressed slightly his first couple years and then regressed last year. In his best season, 2011, he was still in the bottom 3rd of the league in completion percentage. He finished with the 5th most interceptions and the 4th most fumbles lost in the league that season.

 

By his 3rd/4th season, Andrew Luck may very well be a top 3-5 QB in the league. Sanchez has no where close to that ceiling.

[BufordT 428]

The most important move the Jets made so far is hiring OC Marty Mornhinweg. I mean he is a huge upgrade over Schottenheimer who IMO ran a very bland/predictable offense. And I'm still trying to figure out how Sparano got the job. Mornhinweg was a very nice hiring and might be the next HC.

 

I think Santonio Holmes is better than just mediocre when healthy. Throw in Stephen Hill who's shown flashes and Jeremy Kerley who could be a nice possession guy, the Jet WR's, while not sexy, could be rather productive.

 

Let's talk Rex Ryan for a second. He comes over as the defensive guru.... well the defense has basically gotten worse every year since he's been the HC. Not only that, but the Baltimore Raven defense hasn't really missed a beat since he's left, hmmmmm!!

[GreenTD 56]

who were his receivers in 3 years? A mediocre santonio holmes?

 

They did him in the day they refused to surround him with good weapons, with their ground and pound macho talk. Fault is with the GM and Coach. Not Sanchez.

 

Now the kid is damaged beyond salvage probably.

 

Happens to the best of QBs that land on shitty teams run by idiots that dont know how to help a young kid grow in to a winner.

 

Is that you, Joey Harrington?

[Cstriker 2]

Is that you, Joey Harrington?

 

 

i was thinking about that poor bastard when i was drawing parallels. lol

[kujerry 9]

The two years Sanchez made it to the AFC championship game we lead the league in rushing and was second in the league in rushing. Now we can't run the ball and Sanchez sucks. We need a line and need to start running the ball so all the pressure isn't on Sanchez. I glad we got geno smith but kinda wished we would of taken lacey

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

The two years Sanchez made it to the AFC championship game we lead the league in rushing and was second in the league in rushing. Now we can't run the ball and Sanchez sucks. We need a line and need to start running the ball so all the pressure isn't on Sanchez. I glad we got geno smith but kinda wished we would of taken lacey

 

i dont think lacey is going to pan out honestly. i'm happier with the 4th we used on Ivory.

 

we could have gone Guard with the 9th pick but they seem to really like Winters. I think with Colon, Winters and the other depth they added, our line should be much better than it was last year with Slauson/Moore and sometimes having to use Ducasse who is awful.

[Matt Mueller 146]

NFL execs express concerns with Geno Smith

Several NFL executives who spent "extensive time" with Jets rookie Geno Smith before the draft believe Smith faces significant NFL roadblocks because he's "tuned out" and fails to realize he doesn't know everything.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches," said one exec. "... You can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down." Another NFL exec questioned Smith's leadership. "He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader. I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league." Per Yahoo's Jason Cole, Smith spent "much of his time on his cell phone" during pre-draft visits. "All these other players were talking to coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one source said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

 

Thoughts?

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

could be. i dont pretend to know a lot about Smith other than I have no issue with the 2nd rounder being used on him. I literally don't care if he turns out to be a bust. I know there is the other view that the Jets have more holes to fill but having had 2 firsts and a productive 3rd and 4th, I see nothing wrong with taking a shot.

 

certainly that report would be a concern to me but lets hope its made out to be more than it really is.

 

i'm honestly even of the mindset that if the mere presence of Geno Smith propels Sanchez to finally work his a$$ off and be productive, then im still down with the pick.

[Gepetto 1,297]

picture of Mark Sanchez today: http://media.nj.com/jets_impact/photo/12671240-standard.jpg

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

picture of Mark Sanchez today: http://media.nj.com/jets_impact/photo/12671240-standard.jpg

 

yes he looks like a tard... but it's for a good cause so i won't rag on him

[Matt Mueller 146]

I got a flash of a bold prediction I have no backup for the other day. With the Tebow hysteria behind him and the first real competition he has had for his starting job, Mark Sanchez raises his game and put's together his finest season as a pro.

[rholio 339]

I got a flash of a bold prediction I have no backup for the other day. With the Tebow hysteria behind him and the first real competition he has had for his starting job, Mark Sanchez raises his game and put's together his finest season as a pro.

 

If he wasn't motivated before, he will be now. Honestly, I think his best season wouldn't save his job past this year, if it lasted that long.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

If he wasn't motivated before, he will be now. Honestly, I think his best season wouldn't save his job past this year, if it lasted that long.

You cannot motivate suckage. Sanchez is Jason Campbell. The Jets are in the wasteland with this guy, they should have cut bait long ago with he and Ryan.

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

You cannot motivate suckage. Sanchez is Jason Campbell. The Jets are in the wasteland with this guy, they should have cut bait long ago with he and Ryan.

 

When would they have cut bait? After back to back AFC title games? The time to cut bait was/is after the 2012 season. Their second bad season in a row. And honestly, if it wasn't for the circus atmosphere i'd be fine with them having an even longer leash.

 

So we head into 2013 with both still on the roster. If Sanchez doesn't win the job, he probably wont be on the roster by week 1 and Rex looks like a lame duck. They should have sent him packing with Tannenbaum if they planned to neuter his personality, which is part of what I think makes him pretty good.

 

so if 'long ago' means back in december or january then I agree.

[FlaHawker 24]

You know your team is moving in the right direction when you have to try and motivate your starting QB with a pompous arse of a rookie.

[Matt Mueller 146]

Solid article:

 

http://forums.jetnation.com/topic/110599-dyer-i-hate-to-break-it-to-you-the-jets-are-no-longer-a-circus/

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

(over/under on how many posts before a Flahawker sighting?)

 

 

You know your team is moving in the right direction when you have to try and motivate your starting QB with a pompous arse of a rookie.

 

 

not sure anyone had over 30.

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

Solid article:

 

http://forums.jetnation.com/topic/110599-dyer-i-hate-to-break-it-to-you-the-jets-are-no-longer-a-circus/

 

i like it. pretty much echoes the feelings i've had. I have no idea how good or bad Geno Smith will be. You won't see me waving pom poms. He could be a complete bust and the immature label could be 100% accurate. But I still see no reason to bury the pick.

 

had the Jets done something stupid and traded back into round 1 for him or if they had used one of their own first rounders on him, i'd be against it but this seems like a gamble worth taking.

[FlaHawker 24]

Pity bump...

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

Pity bump...

[Electric Mayhem 35]

I'm not ready to write the team off yet for this year. We've improved at every position except TE and S (staying about the same on OL give or take), with some decent upside on a few new members.

 

Everyone is penciling them in for 3-5 wins (with Vegas saying 7) in a rebuilding year because they love the thought of the Rex project coming to an end in a tailspin. I just don't see it. If Geno or Garrard pan out (or Sanchez gets his head out of his and/or his O-lines ass), they could very well be in the discussion for a playoff spot in the last 4 games of the season.

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

Updating an earlier item, Jets QB David Garrard is retiring because of complications with his surgically-repaired knee.

"My knee is not holding up," Garrard said. "Continuing to swell after practices. Limiting what I can do." Garrard was No. 1 on the Dolphins' depth chart last summer before a supposedly "minor" knee procedure. The injury ended up costing him his roster spot, while he made no free-agent visits during the regular season. Garrard's retirement throws the Jets' quarterback situation back into chaos, and creates the very real possibility Gang Green will be forced to keep Mark Sanchez and his $8.5 million salary as insurance for second-round pick Geno Smith. Garrard finishes his nine-year, 86-game career with 16,003 passing yards, an 85.8 QB rating and 89:54 TD:INT ratio.

[BufordT 428]

 

Updating an earlier item, Jets QB David Garrard is retiring because of complications with his surgically-repaired knee.

"My knee is not holding up," Garrard said. "Continuing to swell after practices. Limiting what I can do." Garrard was No. 1 on the Dolphins' depth chart last summer before a supposedly "minor" knee procedure. The injury ended up costing him his roster spot, while he made no free-agent visits during the regular season. Garrard's retirement throws the Jets' quarterback situation back into chaos, and creates the very real possibility Gang Green will be forced to keep Mark Sanchez and his $8.5 million salary as insurance for second-round pick Geno Smith. Garrard finishes his nine-year, 86-game career with 16,003 passing yards, an 85.8 QB rating and 89:54 TD:INT ratio.

 

Garrard has always been a class act but this is a blessing in disguise for the Jets. No way would Garrard do any better than Sanchez. I'd give the 26 year old Sanchez one more year to see what he can do with Mornhinweg calling the plays.

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

yeah. I don't think Garrard was ever going to start.

 

Sanchez and Geno will battle it out through camp and at this point I think it will be a fair competition. not just a "competiton" where geno is already destined to start.

 

either QB will have more success than Sanchez did in 2012 for a number of reasons. better running game, improved o-line, better o coordinator, holmes healthy, and most importantly no Tebow distraction/ rythm breaker.

[Matt Mueller 146]

yeah. I don't think Garrard was ever going to start.

 

Sanchez and Geno will battle it out through camp and at this point I think it will be a fair competition. not just a "competiton" where geno is already destined to start.

 

either QB will have more success than Sanchez did in 2012 for a number of reasons. better running game, improved o-line, better o coordinator, holmes healthy, and most importantly no Tebow distraction/ rythm breaker.

 

Pretty much in total agreement. I'm glad Garrard is out of the picture. I never thought he was going to to start either and this should hopefully allow Sanchez and Smith to take more practice reps.

 

This is going to be a true competition much like what Seattle did with Wilson and Fylnn last year and that whoever the QB is should have much more success than last year. I'm the most optimistic I've been about the Jets in months, not really for competing next year, but for building a foundation for the future.