drobeski 3,061 Posted June 5, 2014 I would expect him to face a court martial for being a traitor and deserter. Which I would hope he got the death penalty for.and Obama? Impeachment? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 5, 2014 President Obama, facing rising bipartisan criticism over his handling of the Taliban-for-Bergdahl prisoner swap, dug in his heels Thursday and declared he would make "absolutely no apologies" for bringing an American soldier home. Wow, from the commander in chief, this guy needs to go back to community organizing. I do think it is humorous how all you non military people pretend to be experts on how the military operates. "bipartisan" is always funny...when its 90% coming from the right currently. Yeah...because you are an expert too right phurfur? Always humorous how you try talking down to everyone else as uninformed when you get everything you know from foxnews. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 5, 2014 and Obama? Impeachment? If you can prove he knew the guy was aiding the enemy...sure. Otherwise you would have zero basis for impeachment other than having an axe to grind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted June 5, 2014 and Obama? Impeachment? If they bring charges on Obama for breaking the law...absolutely. I've said it before. Nobody is above the law, but politicians act like they are. People assume because I use history examples of past presidents that I defend Obama. ..not true. I think all presidents should follow the law, and if they break it, then they should be held accountable. I just am not surprised when they get away with it year after year after year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted June 5, 2014 If you can prove he knew the guy was aiding the enemy...sure. Otherwise you would have zero basis for impeachment other than having an axe to grind. agree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,677 Posted June 5, 2014 This guy was captured years ago. Has the military officially declared him AWOL or a deserter yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 827 Posted June 5, 2014 what are your feelings if it is found out the guy not only seeked out the enemy, but was aiding and abetting them as well ? What would your feelings/reaction be if: - we had info indicating the soldier may be aiding the enemy - we had a chance to get him back, but we passed on it because of the "may be a traitor" scenario. - the enemy beheads him on video and the whole world sees it - Info then comes out indicating/proving he wasn't a traitor Would you give Obama a pass? Just curious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted June 5, 2014 This guy was captured years ago. Has the military officially declared him AWOL or a deserter yet? The fact they never classified him as a POW says a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,677 Posted June 5, 2014 The fact they never classified him as a POW says a lot. He was captured years ago. Has the military declared him AWOL or a deserter yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted June 5, 2014 He was captured years ago. Has the military declared him AWOL or a deserter yet? The fact they never declared him a POW says a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,677 Posted June 5, 2014 The fact they never declared him a POW says a lot. So you can't answer my question. Anybody else? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,783 Posted June 5, 2014 I defend the swap. I don't defend Obama bypassing the law in order to do it though. Could they have exchanged 5 different guys....maybe. Could they have given money for Bergdahl....probably. We as a country, do everything in our power to bring our guys home. At all costs. If Bergdahl is found out to be a deserter, then he should stand trial, but to leave him behind because of maybes and possibilities, or opinions, is not what we do. The guy is a active member of the military. Even if awol he's still an active duty military personnel. This is so odd. Once again it's like the President is shocked that there is resistance on this. One example of the bizzarity, it does not take a savvy person to look at Bergdahl's parents and say "You know what, we are going to have the President make a statement and you can make your own." I would not let those people within a mile of a camershot of the President. I do not necessarily fault the President, his handlers are a bunch of buffoons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted June 5, 2014 So you can't answer my question. Anybody else? Sure I could, but you knew the answer before asking the question so I figured I would fukk with you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 5, 2014 This is so odd. Once again it's like the President is shocked that there is resistance on this. One example of the bizzarity, it does not take a savvy person to look at Bergdahl's parents and say "You know what, we are going to have the President make a statement and you can make your own." I would not let those people within a mile of a camershot of the President. I do not necessarily fault the President, his handlers are a bunch of buffoons. Very true...some poor vetting went on there before they trotted the family out there with Obama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted June 5, 2014 Very true...some poor vetting went on there before they trotted the family out there with Obama. What a coincidence. There was some very poor vetting out there before Obama was trotted out there to get sworn in as POTUS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 5, 2014 This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by Googballz. View it anyway? Fock man...I let go of the leash a while ago, you can quit following me around now. I don't have any more treats for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted June 5, 2014 I'll do what I want, when I want, where I want, Sport. You act like you are Newbie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted June 5, 2014 Its fine they brought him back, traitor or not... Its just laughable they trot out Susan Rice to say "he served with honor and distinction" They had 5 years to collect all these facts that point to the likelihood he abandoned his post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,677 Posted June 5, 2014 Sure I could, but you knew the answer before asking the question so I figured I would fukk with you. I honestly didn't know the answer because I haven't spent a lot of time following the story. I know there were rumors that he was AWOL or a deserter and suspicious behavior, I don't know if the military made any definitive claim one way or the other. Does anybody know this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted June 5, 2014 I honestly didn't know the answer because I haven't spent a lot of time following the story. I know there were rumors that he was AWOL or a deserter and suspicious behavior, I don't know if the military made any definitive claim one way or the other. Does anybody know this? Well they'd obviously have to investigate it after getting him back. I've read he left a note, said so concerning things to fellow soldiers, and acted in leaving behind his gear in a manner that was consistent with his previously bizarre behavior. But who knows. they showed a video of the swap, and he was given a bag with a traditional head scarf as a gift from the taliban, and he dropped the bag on his way to the choppa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted June 5, 2014 I honestly didn't know the answer because I haven't spent a lot of time following the story. I know there were rumors that he was AWOL or a deserter and suspicious behavior, I don't know if the military made any definitive claim one way or the other. Does anybody know this? No. It's all speculation and opinion that he's a deserter or went awol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted June 5, 2014 No. It's all speculation and opinion that he's a deserter or went awol. Hard to court marshall a guy you don't have access to. Its all 'speculation and opinion' those two evil girls stabbed their friend until they get to trial. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted June 5, 2014 Hard to court marshall a guy you don't have access to. Its all 'speculation and opinion' those two evil girls stabbed their friend until they get to trial. So has he been charged? If not it's opinion and speculation. Nice comparison to a stabbing victim who could id her attackers though. Leaving a base does not necessarily mean he deserted. You realize these guys are not on duty 24/7 right? They get down time, or off time. And if they're not on the job or rerestricted to base, they're allowed to do what they want as long as it is within the rules of the base. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted June 5, 2014 The guys he served with are convinced he is a deserter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,783 Posted June 5, 2014 Its fine they brought him back, traitor or not... Its just laughable they trot out Susan Rice to say "he served with honor and distinction" They had 5 years to collect all these facts that point to the likelihood he abandoned his post. Much like Benghazi, they threw out a lie and defied anyone to question it. It's not like lies do not unravel quickly in our media based society, they just rely on the fact that a large portion of the public won't care. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 597 Posted June 5, 2014 Well they'd obviously have to investigate it after getting him back. I've read he left a note, said so concerning things to fellow soldiers, and acted in leaving behind his gear in a manner that was consistent with his previously bizarre behavior. But who knows. they showed a video of the swap, and he was given a bag with a traditional head scarf as a gift from the taliban, and he dropped the bag on his way to the choppa. I don't think he was a traitor. If you're going to betray your country, you'd bring along sensitive items/weapon.. You'd bring something of value to them. Looks like a deserter, but who really knows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,783 Posted June 5, 2014 I don't think he was a traitor. If you're going to betray your country, you'd bring along sensitive items/weapon.. You'd bring something of value to them. Looks like a deserter, but who really knows. Intelligence is worth 1000 guns and the average American soldier has a ton of it in his head. 5 guys died trying to rescue him, he was valuable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted June 5, 2014 I don't think he was a traitor. If you're going to betray your country, you'd bring along sensitive items/weapon.. You'd bring something of value to them. Looks like a deserter, but who really knows. his knowledge would be immense value Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 5, 2014 I don't think he was a traitor. If you're going to betray your country, you'd bring along sensitive items/weapon.. You'd bring something of value to them. Looks like a deserter, but who really knows. Yeah...the questionable thing is that they actually held him that long rather than killing him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted June 5, 2014 The guys he served with are convinced he is a deserter. And as I've said before. It's very possible he is a deserter, but just walking of base does not make him one. If he is, then I hope he faces charges. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted June 5, 2014 Intelligence is worth 1000 guns and the average American soldier has a ton of it in his head. 5 guys died trying to rescue him, he was valuable. I saw an interview with a guy he served with who said right after he bugged out the IEDs started getting direct hits on their vehicles. Before that they were very inconsistent. Obviously, he can't prove it but he thinks ol Bowe was helping them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 597 Posted June 5, 2014 Intelligence is worth 1000 guns and the average American soldier has a ton of it in his head. 5 guys died trying to rescue him, he was valuable. He was a PFC in an infantry unit, he wouldn't know much. Probably didnt even have a security clearance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,677 Posted June 5, 2014 The guys he served with are convinced he is a deserter. You guys here sure seem convinced too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 597 Posted June 5, 2014 his knowledge would be immense value A PFC is the guy you make take his gas mask off to test and see if its still persistent, that's actually in the manual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,784 Posted June 5, 2014 http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/06/03/unit-comrade-bergdahl-was-that-one-guy-that-wanted-to-disappear/ WASHINGTON — Three former members of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s platoon spoke to The Associated Press on Tuesday about Bergdahl’s disappearance, his freedom and how he should be treated now that he’s out. The interviews were facilitated by a public relations firm, Capitol Media Partners, co-owned by Republican strategist Richard Grenell. All three men said Bergdahl should be investigated for desertion. Army Secretary John McHugh said Tuesday that after Bergdahl has recovered, the Army will “review” the circumstances of his disappearance. __ Joshua Cornelison, 25, who was a medic in the platoon: Cornelison said Bergdahl was unusually reluctant to talk to fellow soldiers about his personal life or his background. “He was very, very quiet. He kept everything very close to the vest,” Cornelison said, speaking from Sacramento, California. “So, after he actually left, the following morning we realized we have Bergdahl’s weapon, we have Bergdahl’s body armor, we have Bergdahl’s sensitive equipment (but) we don’t have Bowe Bergdahl.” At that point, Cornelison said, it occurred to him that Bergdahl was “that one guy that wanted to disappear, and now he’s gotten his wish.” Cornelison, who completed his Army service in 2012, said he believes Bergdahl should be held accountable. “Bowe Bergdahl needs to be held 100 percent accountable for all of his irresponsibility and all of his actions. He willfully deserted his post and he needs to be held accountable for that,” he said. __ Evan Buetow, 27, who was a sergeant in the platoon: Buetow, speaking from Maple Valley, Washington, said Bergdahl had asked him a number of questions a short time before his disappearance that, in retrospect, make it apparent that Bergdahl had been planning to leave. Bergdahl asked him, for example, how much of a cash advance he could get and how to go about mailing home his personal computer and other belongings. He also asked what would happen if his weapon and other sensitive items such as night vision goggles went missing. He said he told Bergdahl that, as any soldier would know, that would be “a big deal.” “At the time … it wasn’t really alarming” to hear Bergdahl ask about those things, Buetow said. “Yes, it was a kind of off-the-wall question,” but the notion of a fellow soldier running off during the night seemed so far-fetched as to not be possible, he said. Buetow said he feels strongly that Bergdahl should face trial for desertion, but he said it is less clear that he should be blamed for the deaths of all soldiers killed during months of trying to find him. Beutow said he knows of at least one death on an intelligence-directed infantry patrol to a village in search of Bergdahl. More broadly, the mission of his entire unit changed after Bergdahl’s disappearance because it began to incorporate efforts to pursue clues to his whereabouts. “Those soldiers who died on those missions, they would not have been where they were … if Bergdahl had never walked away,” he said. “At the same time I do believe it is somewhat unfair for people to say, ‘It is Bergdahl’s fault that these people are dead.’ I think that’s a little harsh.” ___ Matt Vierkant, 27, of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, was a team leader of another squad in Bergdahl’s platoon. He’s now out of the military and studying mechanical engineering. Soldiers from his unit and other units were wounded or killed on missions to chase down leads related to Bergdahl, he said. Asked about the statement Sunday by National Security Adviser Susan Rice that Bergdahl served “with honor and distinction,” he said: “That statement couldn’t be further from the truth. I don’t know if she was misinformed or doesn’t know about the investigations and everything else, or what.” He said Bergdahl’s fellow soldiers knew within five or 10 minutes from the discovery of disappearance that he had walked away. In retrospect the signs were there, he said, but there was nothing so definitive that would have prompted action. “He said some strange things, like, ‘I could get lost in those mountains,’ which, at the time, that doesn’t really strike you as someone who is going to leave their weapon and walk out.” Vierkant said he believes it’s paramount that an investigation determine whether Bergdahl deserted or collaborated with the enemy. “It shouldn’t even be a question of whether, it should question of when,” he said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,783 Posted June 5, 2014 He was a PFC in an infantry unit, he wouldn't know much. Probably didnt even have a security clearance Knowing the layout of his base was probably more helpful than knowing where in the Pentagon that the Joint Chiefs take a crap . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 597 Posted June 5, 2014 Knowing the layout of his base was probably more helpful than knowing where in the Pentagon that the Joint Chiefs take a crap . Taliban already knows that stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted June 5, 2014 I believe swapping for the guy was the right decision. I also think everyone should STFU until the investigation is over. If the guy is found to be guilty of crimes he should be punished just like anyone else. The rest is bullshit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted June 5, 2014 I don't believe I will STFU. How you like that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 2,544 Posted June 5, 2014 I don't think he was a traitor. If you're going to betray your country, you'd bring along sensitive items/weapon.. You'd bring something of value to them. Looks like a deserter, but who really knows. I read somewhere he taught the bad guys badminton. Trader. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites