IRS "loses" 2 years of Lois Lerner emails. How convenient.

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Never said those things aren't bad. Is this your first time following politics? Have you never followed history or other preidents? This is damn near common practice.

using the irs to harass and intimidate and effect elections is common practice and should be shrugged off ?

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

 

Release the documents a judge orders you to and they don't "come after you". Remember when Obama said he was going to run a transparent administration? Hope and change?

 

And a bunch of morons bought into hope and change and transparency...and a bunch more hacks keep bringing it up as if it meant anything.

Remember no new taxes? or any other number of BS campaign promises guys have made in the past?

 

It would be great to know what went on and have everything released...sure.

But paul is dead on correct in how he portrayed the guy from Judicial Watch. Its ok for you all to admit that.

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So since you say it is common practice we should just roll with it and look the other way?

Never said that either. I've said all along I have no problem with the investigation. I just don't get the outrage since this has become the way our political system works. Throw millions into an investigation, get a nobody employee, business as usual. Obviously there are still crooked politicians, so apparently not much seems ti change....except the amount the taxpayers eat for these crooks.

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using the irs to harass and intimidate and effect elections is common practice and should be shrugged off ?

Yes it's common. Considering 4 preidents since the 60's have been accused of using the IRS as a way to harass or intimidate, I'd call that fairly common. Of course it shouldn't be shrugged off. I've said go crazy with it, just don't be shocked when nothing happens beside money wasted.

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But paul is dead on correct in how he portrayed the guy from Judicial Watch. Its ok for you all to admit that.

Yeah, using a Wiki link written by an anonymous person from the innerwebs proves a lot.

 

Keep hanging your propeller hat on that one, and ignore all the wins Judicial Watch is racking up in the courts, Sport.

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Yes it's common. Considering 4 preidents since the 60's have been accused of using the IRS as a way to harass or intimidate, I'd call that fairly common. Of course it shouldn't be shrugged off. I've said go crazy with it, just don't be shocked when nothing happens beside money wasted.

 

Common sense like this is not allowed here.

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Yes it's common. Considering 4 preidents since the 60's have been accused of using the IRS as a way to harass or intimidate, I'd call that fairly common. Of course it shouldn't be shrugged off. I've said go crazy with it, just don't be shocked when nothing happens beside money wasted.

Which 4, and exactly what were they accused of?

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:shocking:

 

Judicial Watch: Lerner emails aren't missing

By Bernie Becker - 08/25/14 08:32 PM EDT

A conservative group suing the IRS said Monday that the Obama administration has acknowledged that former agency official Lois Lerner’s emails are recoverable.

Judicial Watch, which says it was among the groups that the IRS improperly scrutinized, said Justice Department attorneys told the group late last week that the government backed up all emails in case of catastrophe.

The government lawyers added that the problem was not that the emails couldn’t be found, but that the back-up system was too onerous to search, Tom Fitton, Judicial Watch’s president, said Monday.

“This is a jaw-dropping revelation. The Obama administration had been lying to the American people about Lois Lerner’s missing emails,” Fitton said in a statement, adding that the group would bring the government’s statements up with Judge Emmet Sullivan, who is presiding over the group’s lawsuit.

But an administration official with knowledge of Friday’s conversation said Judicial Watch’s statement, which runs counter to months of statements from a variety of administration and IRS higher-ups, was off-base.

The administration official said Justice Department lawyers had dropped no bombshells last week, and Judicial Watch was mischaracterizing what the government had said.

The official said DOJ lawyers were only referring to tapes backing up IRS emails that were routinely recycled twice a year before 2013, when the investigation into the Tea Party controversy began.

The IRS has acknowledged those procedures were in place since it told lawmakers in June that Lerner’s computer crashed in 2011, leaving the agency unable to recover many of her emails over a two-year span.

John Koskinen, the IRS commissioner, has testified before Congress several times over the last two months that the tapes backing up Lerner’s emails were recycled.

“There is no newly divulged back-up system that was not previously known about,” the official said. “Government lawyers were simply referring to the back-up system at the IRS that Commissioner Koskinen had already disclosed.”

Lerner has been a central figure in the IRS investigation since May 2013, when she became the first agency official to acknowledge and apologize for the improper scrutiny of Tea Party groups.

She has since retired from the IRS, been found in contempt of Congress by the House and been referred to the Justice Department for potential criminal charges.

Judicial Watch’s Monday statement noted that Treasury’s inspector general for tax administration, which outlined the IRS’s improper scrutiny of Tea Party groups, is investigating the back-up system for emails.

The administration official said that the inspector general is examining whether any data can be recovered from the previously recycled back-up tapes and suggested that could be the cause of the confusion between the government and Judicial Watch.

GOP lawmakers and conservative groups have for months said they don’t believe Lerner’s emails can’t be found, and the recovery of those documents would be a major victory for groups like Judicial Watch.

“All the focus on missing hard drives has been a diversion. The Obama administration has known all along where the email records could be — but dishonestly withheld this information,” Fitton said. “You can bet we are going to ask the court for immediate assistance in cutting through this massive obstruction of justice.”

Sullivan has asked the IRS to detail its efforts in recovering Lerner’s lost emails, including whether it tried to obtain data from her BlackBerry. IRS officials have said in filings they do not believe Lerner’s BlackBerry was checked for data, because any emails should have also been stored in her Microsoft Outlook files.

Koskinen and other senior IRS officials have also repeatedly said Lerner's hard drive was wiped clean and recycled after technicians were unable to recover any data, to protect confidential taxpayer information.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/215940-conservative-group-lerner-emails-arent-missing

 

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Which 4, and exactly what were they accused of?

Actually 5. Kennedy, Nixon, Clinton, G W and Obama. I'm sure you can look it up. I'll give you a hint tho. They all were accused of targeting opposing party groups or political members.

 

And to no surprise, only one had anything substantial come from it.

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Actually 5. Kennedy, Nixon, Clinton, G W and Obama. I'm sure you can look it up.

 

And to no surprise, only one had anything substantial come from it.

What were they accused of?

 

I have seen Nixon used in this thread.....but the Articles of Impeachment stated he "endeavored" to us the IRS. He never did......and the IRS did nothing he "endeavored" to have them do.

 

That seems to be the most egregious use of the IRS on record, and the IRS did nothing. In this case, the IRS did plenty.

 

So, unless you can spell out something on par with what the IRS did under Obama you are just spinning to lessen what the IRS did in this case.

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They all were accused of targeting groups or members of the opposing party. GW was accused of harassing the NAACP. Clinton was accused of targeting the Haritage group and the NRA and I believe a couple others. Nixon we know what he did. Kennedy was accused of targeting right wing organizations just like Obama.

 

These are well documented cases of abuse by use of the IRS with nothing coming from them besides Nixon.

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I'm not spinning. I don't care if they impeach Obama. I would like to see something happen from the time and money spent. For once I would like to see our government be held accountable. For once I'd like to have faith that the law breakers get csught. I truly believe that most politicians are above the law. History tells us this.

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They all were accused of targeting groups or members of the opposing party. GW was accused of harassing the NAACP. Clinton was accused of targeting the Haritage group and the NRA and I believe a couple others. Nixon we know what he did. Kennedy was accused of targeting right wing organizations just like Obama.

 

These are well documented cases of abuse by use of the IRS with nothing coming from them besides Nixon.

Nixon didn't abuse the IRS because they didn't do what he wanted.

 

The rest of your post is accusations, some of which you "believe" happened, so I'm gonna say you are talking out of your ass to try to explain the abuse the IRS heaped on non-profits in the last election.

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Nixon didn't abuse the IRS because they didn't do what he wanted.

 

The rest of your post is accusations, some of which you "believe" happened, so I'm gonna say you are talking out of your ass to try to explain the abuse the IRS heaped on non-profits in the last election.

Hence when I said 4 presidents since the 60's have been accused. And since Obummer hasn't been charged or any proof yet linking him, they're just accusations or what you guys "believe" happened.

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Hence when I said 4 presidents since the 60's have been accused. And since Obummer hasn't been charged or any proof yet linking him, they're just accusations or what you guys "believe" happened.

 

Again...using common sense does not work with the type of person you are arguing with.

Barring something extremely serious (Nixon), the president is typically above the law and will stay in office.

Especially when the alternative right now is Biden.

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the president is typically above the law

I'm shocked, shocked I tells ya.

 

 

Slo-N-Nuts is here to defend Obama?????

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Again...using common sense does not work with the type of person you are arguing with.

Barring something extremely serious (Nixon), the president is typically above the law and will stay in office.

Especially when the alternative right now is Biden.

Nah not arguing. He's right. I do "believe" those past presidents played a role in using or attempted to use the IRS to harass or intimidate opposing party affiliates. I also "believe" this one played a part or had knowledge about it. The bigger issue is proving it since I would assume most, if not all presidents, have somebody that will take the fall. Like I said. I don't care if they impeach him or not. I don't like Obummer, but not shocked by the incompetence or utter failure of the government to do the right things.

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Nah not arguing. He's right. I do "believe" those past presidents played a role in using or attempted to use the IRS to harass or intimidate opposing party affiliates. I also "believe" this one played a part or had knowledge about it. The bigger issue is proving it since I would assume most, if not all presidents, have somebody that will take the fall. Like I said. I don't care if they impeach him or not. I don't like Obummer, but not shocked by the incompetence or utter failure of the government to do the right things.

Neither am I.

Nor do I come to a message board daily to whine and complain about it.

Instead...people like you, and me, and others use common sense...while others use emotion and party loyalty.

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Neither am I.

Nor do I come to a message board daily to whine and complain about it.

Instead...people like you, and me, and others use common sense...while others use emotion and party loyalty.

instead you come to a message bored to complain daily about strangers discussing the ever growing list of criminal and incompetent activity by our elected officials

 

In the game of common sense, you're in second in this two horse race you sponsor.

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instead you come to a message bored to complain daily about strangers discussing the ever growing list of criminal and incompetent activity by our elected officials

 

In the game of common sense, you're in second in this two horse race you sponsor.

 

No...don't complain about you discussing Obama...see, not sure what is wrong with the education some of you hacks received.

But making fun of you all being hacks...does not equal complaining about you or defending Obama.

You seem to always get that wrong.

 

Such a huge list of criminal activity by the one you cry about the most that there have been zero charges right?

You seem to not understand at all what crack has been saying and what I agreed with.

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Have yet to see you make fun

Fun should at least include attempts at humor ? Or is the complaining about strangers complaining about elected officials and current events the fun ?

Help me out here, im really trying to get it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Have yet to see you make fun

Fun should at least include attempts at humor ? Or is the complaining about strangers complaining about elected officials and current events the fun ?

Help me out here, im really trying to get it.

 

Because you are blind...you and sporto get made fun of all the time.

That you don't get the humor is, like many other things, not shocking.

 

Where did I complain about you complaining? Link?

 

You won't get it...it has been explained to you time and time again. But you don't ever get it.

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Entertaining to put it mildly.

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Since I posted the story about the IRS emails being backed up, and exposing the IRS story as total BS, Sho Nuff has made about a dozen posts.

 

Not one said anything about the new revelations. I wonder what he posted about..........

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Since I posted the story about the IRS emails being backed up, and exposing the IRS story as total BS, Sho Nuff has made about a dozen posts.

 

Not one said anything about the new revelations. I wonder what he posted about..........

 

 

Ever think it's because your article was bullsh1t?

 

 

“This is a jaw-dropping revelation. The Obama administration had been lying to the American people about Lois Lerner’s missing emails,” Fitton said in a statement, adding that the group would bring the government’s statements up with Judge Emmet Sullivan, who is presiding over the group’s lawsuit.

 

But an administration official with knowledge of Friday’s conversation said Judicial Watch’s statement, which runs counter to months of statements from a variety of administration and IRS higher-ups, was off-base.

 

The administration official said Justice Department lawyers had dropped no bombshells last week, and Judicial Watch was mischaracterizing what the government had said.

 

The official said DOJ lawyers were only referring to tapes backing up IRS emails that were routinely recycled twice a year before 2013, when the investigation into the Tea Party controversy began.

 

The IRS has acknowledged those procedures were in place since it told lawmakers in June that Lerner’s computer crashed in 2011, leaving the agency unable to recover many of her emails over a two-year span.

 

John Koskinen, the IRS commissioner, has testified before Congress several times over the last two months that the tapes backing up Lerner’s emails were recycled.

 

“There is no newly divulged back-up system that was not previously known about,” the official said. “Government lawyers were simply referring to the back-up system at the IRS that Commissioner Koskinen had already disclosed.”

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Wiki?

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Wiki?

 

 

Really? Lazy or stupid?

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Really? Lazy or stupid?

Both, with a touch of downs.

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Really? Lazy or stupid?

I say you are lazy, not stupid. You seem too lazy to provide links, per board rules. Better be careful, Huggy Bear may report you.

 

Beyond that, there isn't much to comment on when all you have is an anonymous administration official saying the administration isn't lying. Given their track record of lies, I find this wholly unconvincing.

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I say you are lazy, not stupid. You seem too lazy to provide links, per board rules. Better be careful, Huggy Bear may report you.

 

Beyond that, there isn't much to comment on when all you have is an anonymous administration official saying the administration isn't lying. Given their track record of lies, I find this wholly unconvincing.

 

The link is on this page.

 

You're going to talk about board rules?

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The link is on this page.

 

You're going to talk about board rules?

I don't search an entire thread looking to see if there is a link somewhere else.

 

Does the link located elsewhere contain anything beyond an anonymous source from a lying sack-o-chit administration?

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I don't search an entire thread looking to see if there is a link somewhere else.

 

Does the link located elsewhere contain anything beyond an anonymous source from a lying sack-o-chit administration?

 

It sure passes the stink test better than the story Judicial Progress has been putting out. Read both articles again, and ell me which one makes more sense. O.K.?

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It sure passes the stink test better than the story Judicial Progress has been putting out. Read both articles again, and ell me which one makes more sense. O.K.?

Mine.

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Mine.

 

Yeah, I kind of figured that one.

 

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Ever think it's because your article was bullsh1t?

 

 

 

It is because I didn't read his post.

See, unless you all quote him, I don't read what he says...even then it gets glossed over unless I want to again make fun of him (as in this case) for tracking me around and counting my posts where I didn't reply to him or about a post of his I never read.

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Yeah, I kind of figured that one.

 

Mine was the one where the source was confident enough in his statements to put his name on them. Yours hid behind anonymity.

 

Judicial watch has uncovered a lot of lies by the IRS in their lawsuits, so I put more stock in them saying they have another one than I do an anonymous Obama hack saying there is nothing there.

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Obummer's Waterloo?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Mine was the one where the source was confident enough in his statements to put his name on them. Yours hid behind anonymity.

 

Judicial watch has uncovered a lot of lies by the IRS in their lawsuits, so I put more stock in them saying they have another one than I do an anonymous Obama hack saying there is nothing there.

 

Can you please tell me the name of the "government lawyer" that Judicial Watch is citing as the source for their info, because I've read it three times and I sure can't find one.

 

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Can you please tell me the name of the "government lawyer" that Judicial Watch is citing as the source for their info, because I've read it three times and I sure can't find one.

 

Tom Fitton is my source. You even called him my source earlier when you tried to discredit him with your anonymous Wiki source.