IRS "loses" 2 years of Lois Lerner emails. How convenient.

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

Like I said, you choose to buy the story that this is all just a coincidence. Obviously because of your politics.

 

Good for you. You are a member of a very small minority regarding this scandal.

 

Sorry, politics doesn't have anything to do with my ability to read. It's laughable you saying that though, when confronted with contradictory evidence, you won't even acknowledge, must be your objectivity.

 

Small minority? You mean people who think for themselves...you got that right, it's is sadly a small minority.

 

Maybe you can tell everyone how you have come by more information than the Treasury Inspector General, who's report was that Lerner didn't even find out about the discriminatory practices until AFTER her hard drive broke. Does Lois have a time machine and went back in time to break her hard drive?

 

June 2011:

On June 3rd, Ways and Means Committee Chairman Camp sends a letter to then-IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman inquiring about IRS targeting of taxpayers who donated money to conservative groups, as well as information regarding audits of 501©(4) organizations. (Recall that the issue involving Lois Lerner was the targeting of conservative advocacy groups applying for 501©(4) status. But this letter concerned something different — the IRS’s decision to send letters to the donors of such organizations that their contributions might be subject to gift taxes.)

 

According to TIGTA on June 29th, IRS Exempt Organization Division Director Lois Lerner is apprised of the discriminatory practices on June 29th.

[MDC 7,486]

I see Garglenutz won't touch Honcho's link because it contradicts the story fed to him by media handlers .... Muahahahahaha!

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

 

Buying the IRS story hook, line, and sinker is thinking for yourself?

 

Sonasoft.

[drobeski 3,061]

Why am I getting the eye's? I will gladly say good job and want the appropriate punishment if they find evidence of wrong doing. I'm just waiting for them to actually be able to handout indictments before I join the lynch mob.....you know actual, factual evidence of wrong doing, not possible coincidences.

the evidence that was destroyed? ..is it illigal to destroy evidence?

[crackattack 520]

the evidence that was destroyed? ..is it illigal to destroy evidence?

Of course it's illegal. Have they found the person who did the destroying? Have they charged anyone for destroying evidence? Have they charged anyone with any criminal act regarding missing emails? I would think if it's so obvious that somebody would be charged with something.....no? What evidence does anyone have that it was intentional? I'll wait for anyone to answer the last question with known facts.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I see Garglenutz won't touch Honcho's link because it contradicts the story fed to him by media handlers .... Muahahahahaha!

Garglenutz?

Since when does RP's wife post here?

[Reality 3,121]

 

Sorry, politics doesn't have anything to do with my ability to read. It's laughable you saying that though, when confronted with contradictory evidence, you won't even acknowledge, must be your objectivity.

 

Small minority? You mean people who think for themselves...you got that right, it's is sadly a small minority.

 

Maybe you can tell everyone how you have come by more information than the Treasury Inspector General, who's report was that Lerner didn't even find out about the discriminatory practices until AFTER her hard drive broke. Does Lois have a time machine and went back in time to break her hard drive?

 

June 2011:

On June 3rd, Ways and Means Committee Chairman Camp sends a letter to then-IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman inquiring about IRS targeting of taxpayers who donated money to conservative groups, as well as information regarding audits of 501©(4) organizations. (Recall that the issue involving Lois Lerner was the targeting of conservative advocacy groups applying for 501©(4) status. But this letter concerned something different the IRSs decision to send letters to the donors of such organizations that their contributions might be subject to gift taxes.)

 

According to TIGTA on June 29th, IRS Exempt Organization Division Director Lois Lerner is apprised of the discriminatory practices on June 29th.

Oh, I'm fully aware you have bought the IRS's story. No need to explain that any further. That takes absolutely zero ability by you to think for yourself btw...

 

Thanks though.

 

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

Oh, I'm fully aware you have bought the IRS's story. No need to explain that any further. That takes absolutely zero ability by you to think for yourself btw...

 

Thanks though.

 

 

And we are fully aware that you are 100% going to ignore all facts at this point...like the fact the info I just provided wasn't the IRS story, but from the TIGTA report.

 

I'm done, you offer nothing but regurgitating the conspiracy right-wing talking points, but what you don't offer is any proof to back up your position. You make Drobe look like free-thinker, enjoy your kool-aid.

[Reality 3,121]

 

And we are fully aware that you are 100% going to ignore all facts at this point...like the fact the info I just provided wasn't the IRS story, but from the TIGTA report.

 

I'm done, you offer nothing but regurgitating the conspiracy right-wing talking points, but what you don't offer is any proof to back up your position. You make Drobe look like free-thinker, enjoy your kool-aid.

Yea, I'm clearly the one drinking the kool-aid....

 

Wow.

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

Yea, I'm clearly the one drinking the kool-aid....

 

Wow.

 

No, it's cool, you believe in things that have no proof(in fact there's proof against it)...the right wing likes their followers not to think for themselves---it's why FOX viewers always test as the least knowledgeable about the issues. Drink up.

[Reality 3,121]

 

No, it's cool, you believe in things that have no proof(in fact there's proof against it)...the right wing likes their followers not to think for themselves. Drink up.

So, you aren't done with me?

 

 

What proof btw, the IRS didn't know about it's own practices until after somebody else told them.... Ok...

 

Like I said dude, you choose to buy the story. Good for you.

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

Yea, I'm clearly the one drinking the kool-aid....

 

Wow.

 

You are...considering you offer nothing to actually counter the facts he has posted.

You seem to buy the other side of the story despite having zero supporting evidence.

You even buy parts of the story that he debunked with facts and links.

 

Its ok to believe someone screwed with the emails. i believe that likely happened, but to keep denying other things is laughable.

[Reality 3,121]

Its ok to believe someone screwed with the emails.

Obviously not.

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

So, you aren't done with me?

 

 

What proof btw, the IRS didn't know about it's own practices until after somebody else told them.... Ok...

 

Like I said dude, you choose to buy the story. Good for you.

 

 

Well, you got me to come back one more time, just to say WOW. Let me repeat this

 

.the right wing likes their followers not to think for themselves---it's why FOX viewers always test as the least knowledgeable about the issues.

 

You obviously are painfully uninformed, you should refrain from commenting, cause when you do you show how little you actually know about what happened.

[Reality 3,121]

 

Well, you got me to come back one more time, just to say WOW. Let me repeat this

 

 

You obviously are painfully uninformed, you should refrain from commenting, cause when you do you show how little you actually know about what happened.

If I didn't know your history of being a phenomenal hack I would think you are just trolling at this point.

 

I almost feel bad for you.

[Reality 3,121]

Apparently, Mike is painfully uninformed that Lerner pleaded the 5th so she wouldn't incriminate herself.

 

If she did nothing illegal there would be no need to plead the 5th. But Mike has bought her story....hook.....line....sinker.....

It's just all a big coincidence.

[MDC 7,486]

If she did nothing illegal there would be no need to plead the 5th.

Wow

[Sho Nuff 720]

Obviously not.

 

Who says its not?

Honcho has not said such things.

To believe it 100%, to spout of things that are easily disproven, and claim there is a connection to the White House is pretty much what he has argued against.

And he has done pretty well at it...nice quote parsing by the way...always a fun thing when you have to try and pick just one part of a complete thought out and you are still wrong.

[Sho Nuff 720]

If I didn't know your history of being a phenomenal hack I would think you are just trolling at this point.

 

I almost feel bad for you.

 

Why feel bad for him...he is beating you down just like he did googz.

[Reality 3,121]

 

Why feel bad for him...he is beating you down just like he did googz.

You're basically like a puppy dog, I really just want to pat you on the head and send you out to the back yard.

 

You argue like my eleven year old son.. It's just hard to take anything you type seriously. Sorry, I just can't get worked up over anything you contribute.

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

You're basically like a puppy dog, I really just want to pat you on the head and send you out to the back yard.

 

You argue like my eleven year old son.. It's just hard to take anything you type seriously. Sorry, I just can't get worked up over anything you contribute.

 

 

Because you have contributed what to this thread or anything?

Please...you chimed in to someone else's conversation and added nothing more than showing your own sheepish ignorance on the topic.

 

Glad you have fun though...btw...Im sure your 11 year old son whips your ass in arguments too. And I doubt anyone here takes anything you post seriously.

And if you got worked up over anything I post...Id worry about what kind of sad person gets worked up over somebody's post on a message board.

[Googballz 39]

 

Because you have contributed what to this thread or anything?

Please...you chimed in to someone else's conversation and added nothing more than showing your own sheepish ignorance on the topic.

 

 

What link to anything of substance on this subject have you showed up with, Sport?

 

Pretty sure you have done nothing but chime in on someone else's conversation and added nothing.

[gocolts 300]

What link to anything of substance on this subject have you showed up with, Sport?

 

Pretty sure you have done nothing but chime in on someone else's conversation and added nothing.

There is a real shocker. Let me guess, he called some folks "Hacks", even though he is the biggest one on the focking board.

[Googballz 39]

Googballz, MTSkiBum, IGotWorms, Drizzay, gocolts, CantTouchThis, Bier Meister, TimmySmith, NewbieJr, cbfalcon, Sho Nuff

 

 

Hey Monkey, give me a post count update STAT!

[Reality 3,121]

 

Because you have contributed what to this thread or anything?

Please...you chimed in to someone else's conversation and added nothing more than showing your own sheepish ignorance on the topic.

 

Glad you have fun though...btw...Im sure your 11 year old son whips your ass in arguments too. And I doubt anyone here takes anything you post seriously.

And if you got worked up over anything I post...Id worry about what kind of sad person gets worked up over somebody's post on a message board.

Seriously, you're so cute.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Who says its not?

Honcho has not said such things.

To believe it 100%, to spout of things that are easily disproven, and claim there is a connection to the White House is pretty much what he has argued against.

And he has done pretty well at it...nice quote parsing by the way...always a fun thing when you have to try and pick just one part of a complete thought out and you are still wrong.

you've heard about the meetings with the white house, no ? Have you also heard Lerners lawyer claim the justice dept is the one who initiated the targeting of the conservative groups ?...

Wow .....sheep city

 

Those are facts by the way

[Sho Nuff 720]

There is a real shocker. Let me guess, he called some folks "Hacks", even though he is the biggest one on the focking board.

 

The guy you are responding to is the biggest giant hack.

You don't have a clue colts...yet you cry about me quite often lately.

Grow the fock up.

[Sho Nuff 720]

you've heard about the meetings with the white house, no ? Have you also heard Lerners lawyer claim the justice dept is the one who initiated the targeting of the conservative groups ?...

Wow .....sheep city

 

Those are facts by the way

 

Ive heard about people visiting the WH...which is not really news considering their positions in government. Proves zero.

Only sheep so far is you.

Look at the last 2 pages...the sonasoft claims...busted big time.

The claim of when things were known...also busted by actual facts.

 

Sheep because I said I believe the emails were likely focked with on purpose?

Yeah...you caught me.

 

You are the one who has claimed you won't admit to anything even without ever having proof to support your opinion.

gocolts...that is called being the 2nd biggest hack out there just to let you know.

[SUXBNME 1,515]

 

Ive heard about people visiting the WH...

I thought the WH was closed for visitors.

 

Yep. I added nothing pertaining to the thread, as usual.

[Reality 3,121]

I thought the WH was closed for visitors.

 

Yep. I added nothing pertaining to the thread, as usual.

You're good, there hasn't been anything of importance added to this thread for quite some time.

[SUXBNME 1,515]

You're good, there hasn't been anything of importance added to this thread for quite some time.

I was almost board enough this morning to go through the whole thread and post a list of the main contributors as far as troll vs real discussion.

Luckily for myself, I fell back asleep.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I was almost board enough this morning to go through the whole thread and post a list of the main contributors as far as troll vs real discussion.

Luckily for myself, I fell back asleep.

 

There are about 10 posts of actual discussion. The reat is trolling or responding to the trolling.

[NewbieJr 541]

187 !

 

Even obsessed on weekends. So sad.

 

Let's do a Geek Club fundraiser to get RP laid. Prostitutes don't care how ugly a guy is. It's just a job. I'll throw in 20.

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

If I didn't know your history of being a phenomenal hack I would think you are just trolling at this point.

 

I almost feel bad for you.

 

Fess up, outside of the OP, you've read nothing on this subject. Your previous statement shows you have no clue as to what happened, none what-so-ever. Get back to me when your 11 year fills you in on some of the pertinent details of the events.

 

Feel sorry for me, that's laughable---you're a mindless sheep, like Goog, bleating the party line over and over, 'you buy the story....baaaa...you buy the story' all the while ignoring timelines of events, actual investigations & facts that disprove the BS STORY OF SOME GRAND CONSPIRACY the right wing is shoveling proves unequivocally you are an ignorant hack.

[Googballz 39]

 

Fess up, outside of the OP, you've read nothing on this subject. Your previous statement shows you have no clue as to what happened, none what-so-ever. Get back to me when your 11 year fills you in on some of the pertinent details of the events.

 

Feel sorry for me, that's laughable---you're a mindless sheep, like Goog, bleating the party line over and over, 'you buy the story....baaaa...you buy the story' all the while ignoring timelines of events, actual investigations & facts that disprove the BS STORY OF SOME GRAND CONSPIRACY the right wing is shoveling proves unequivocally you are an ignorant hack.

 

Here is a timeline of events and pertinent details I posted earlier that you conveniently ignored.

 

This article is a little reminder of just how hard leading Dems were pushing the IRS to go after conservative groups.

 

The fact that they are "lost" at all suggests Congress is looking in the right direction.

Lois Lerner's emails are lost, and they need finding. In the meantime, their very disappearance tells us that Congress is sniffing down the right trail.

A year into congressional investigations of IRS targeting, we know two things beyond a doubt. We know from the public record that starting in 2010 the most powerful leaders of the Democratic Party—President Obama, Senate chairmen, House Democrats—ran a ceaseless campaign pressuring the IRS to silence conservative groups. We also know from internal IRS emails that Ms. Lerner, the former head of exempt organizations, was at the epicenter of an agency effort to silence those very groups, in the precise same time frame.

What we don't know is the interaction between the two. The IRS's deliberate withholding for a year of Lerner emails allowed the press and liberals to crow that there was no "there" there—zero evidence of Lerner collusion with anybody in the Democratic Party. At the very worst, went the explanation, Ms. Lerner and her IRS pals were zealous bureaucrats, primed to crack down on campaign money, and therefore eager to interpret the Democratic campaign as an order to act.

But the alleged disappearance of Ms. Lerner's hard drive—and the fact that the missing conversations are those the former IRS director had with people outside the IRS—has suddenly resurrected, with force, the explosive possibility that she was chatting with Democrats who mattered.

There's plenty of reason to believe she was. Just last week Congress discovered (via a subpoena to the Justice Department) emails showing that Ms. Lerner had conversations with Justice prosecutors about investigating conservative nonprofits. Who else in the Obama administration was Ms. Lerner talking to?

Or consider the extraordinary interaction between congressional Democrats and the IRS. Some of it was in a recent complaint filed to the Senate Ethics Committee by the Center for Competitive Politics against nine Democratic senators. It details their many letters and statements (that we know of) demanding the IRS shut down specific organizations that posed a threat to their Democratic House and Senate majority in the 2010 election.

Sen. Carl Levin, the head of the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, exchanged at least 12 letters (that we know about) with the IRS in 2012 alone. IRS officials, including Ms. Lerner, met with Sen. Levin's staff in 2013. And former IRS Acting Commissione Stephen Miller testified that the IRS acted in part because Sen. Levin was "complaining bitterly" to the agency. In what forums? Were email conversations also taking place, behind the scenes, between the Levin office and Ms. Lerner and other IRS officials?

We do know that email conversations were common. A new and comprehensive House Oversight Committee report this week—about how politics drove the IRS affair—reveals fascinating details about just how chummy Democratic staff was with the IRS.

Here we find a staffer for Illinois Sen. ###### Durbin in October 2010 emailing no less than the IRS chief of staff, Jonathan Davis (who he addresses in familiar terms), with a heads up about a Durbin letter to the IRS commissioner demanding an investigation of Crossroads GPS, a conservative group. "We're not the first to ask, of course," the staffer acknowledges in the email. A few months later, Ms. Lerner asked her staff why it hadn't taken action against Crossroads.

Here we also find staff from Sen. Chuck Schumer in March 2012 tipping off an IRS employee to a coming New York Times article about nonprofits, a tip that was passed to Ms. Lerner. This is the same Sen. Schumer who has been open in public speeches about the need for Democrats to use the IRS to crack down on the "extraordinary influence" of Tea Party groups (as he was quoted as saying in January 2014). When did he first start looking to use the IRS this way, and who did he talk to there?

We have emails suggesting that IRS staff aided Sen. Levin in putting together his letters of complaint to the IRS. We have staff for House Democrat Elijah Cummings asking the IRS for information to use in Mr. Cummings's campaign against a specific conservative organization, True the Vote. Ms. Lerner got involved in that one—querying her staff as to whether they'd helped Mr. Cummings.

As to Ms. Lerner's behavior, consider that House Ways & Means Chairman Dave Camp first sent a letter asking if the IRS was engaged in targeting in June, 2011. Ms. Lerner denied it. She engineered a plant in an audience at a tax conference in May 2013 to drop the bombshell news about targeting (maybe hoping nobody would notice?). She has subsequently asserted a Fifth Amendment right to silence in front of the only people actually investigating the affair, Congress. Now we learn that her hard drive supposedly defied modernity and suffered total annihilation about 10 days after the Camp letter arrived.

Is there something in those lost emails? The fact that they are "lost" at all probably answers that question.

 

 

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:online.wsj.com/articles/kim-strassel-about-those-missing-emails-1403220814

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

 

Here is a timeline of events and pertinent details I posted earlier that you conveniently ignored.

 

 

Really, your submitting opinion pieces as a timeline..a few facts and lots of opinion and speculation and wistful thinking. But actual investigations (TIGTA) those you ignore. :rolleyes;

 

Wondering, you ever going to address that Sonasoft was absolutely nothing?

[OldMaid 2,130]

Why don't they grant Lerner immunity and try to compel her testimony? It they're so sure... wouldn't that be the easiest route to get to the bottom of this?

 

[Googballz 39]

Good job ignoring the fact Obama and leading Dems in Congress were pressuring the IRS to go after Tea Party groups, and the IRS complied soon after the pressure was exerted, Mike.

[crackattack 520]

Why don't they grant Lerner immunity and try to compel her testimony? It they're so sure... wouldn't that be the easiest route to get to the bottom of this?

 

I've wondered that also. If the committee was hell bent on getting to the bottom of this, and they believe it goes above her, then why not? I'd give her whatever she wanted if she could link the white house or whoever and get this over with.

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

Good job ignoring the fact Obama and leading Dems in Congress were pressuring the IRS to go after Tea Party groups, and the IRS complied soon after the pressure was exerted, Mike.

 

Good job ignoring your complete fail on Sonasoft.